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Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs was close to being knighted by the Queen of the United Kingdom in 2009, but the plans were reportedly scrapped by the U.K. government because of Jobs' absence at a political conference.

Former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown blocked the proposed knighthood of Jobs in 2009, according to The Telegraph, because the Apple co-founder apparently turned down an invitation to speak at a Labour Party conference. Jobs was said to be knighted for his services to technology.

The plans were apparently so far along that Apple was aware of the proposal and it reached the final stages of approval. But Jobs was apparently denied the honor because Brown and other officials reportedly felt snubbed by Jobs' absence.

"The former MP was told by Downing Street that the decision was related to a failed attempt to attract Mr. Jobs to Labour's annual conference," the report said. "Given his status as a superstar of business and technology, such an appearance would have been viewed as a coup for Mr. Brown."

Bill Gates, former CEO of Apple's rival Microsoft, was named an honorary Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II in 2005. Because he is not a citizen of Britain's Commonwealth realms, Gates does not carry the title of "Sir." Jobs, too, would not have been eligible to be a "Sir."

Though Jobs was not knighted, he can boast many other accolades and titles bestowed upon him. In recent years alone, he was named "CEO of the Decade" by both Fortune and MarketWatch. He was also named the Financial Times Person of the Year, in a profile that called his presentation unveiling the iPad a cap to "the most remarkable comeback in modern business history."
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I didn’t realize being knighted had become an even sillier concept. I can’t imagine Jobs is losing sleep over Brown’s decision.
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This is a plus in my book. Who needs a BS title from the queen mum? It's about time that British Royalty face its irrelevancy.
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They are knighting so many idiots at this stage it's beginning to lose its meaning. I'm not defining Jobs here - it's true.
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They are knighting so many idiots at this stage it's beginning to lose its meaning. I'm not defining Jobs here - it's true.

Like Charlie Sheen being given two & a half knighthoods last week?
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

All cultures have symbolic references to their past, they just manifest themselves differently.
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

To make money out of tourists
post #9 of 130
Meh, a Knighthood ain't what it used to be.

1. No Round-table invites
2. No complimentary sword
3. Little deference from the mass unwashed
4. No apportionment of huge tracts o' land
5. Some Civil servants can get them for simply staying in their job long enough.

yeah, I'm definitely gonna think twice before accepting when my knighthood offer comes through the post.

Besides, Jobs has his top business credibility to retain. Going to a Labour Party conference would surely damage that credibility. Jobs on stage with Brown? Er, no.
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I'm surprised the Prime Minister *can* block it, I would have thought it would be entirely up to the Queen.
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I thought that only English citizens or anyone that was in English territories was allowed to be knighted.
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If Jobs was an illegal immigrant, he would have got his knighthood, benefits,a house, a car and job for life at the taxpayers expense.
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I'm surprised the Prime Minister *can* block it, I would have thought it would be entirely up to the Queen.

The Queen's role here, much like everything else she does, is entirely ceremonial. The list of those to be knighted are picked by the government, and handed to the Queen to dole out. She doesn't pick them herself.
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don't understand how you can be knighted by England's queen if you are not subject to her rule? Is this the UK's version of a Nobel prize? Can anyone explain this?
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

You do realise that nearly all US Presidents have been related to the British royal bloodline? And therefore by extension to all the European royal bloodlines as they all hail from the same shallow incestuous gene puddle. As to why these people are our monarchs, well that truly is the proverbial can of worms.
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don't understand how you can be knighted by England's queen if you are not subject to her rule? Is this the UK's version of a Nobel prize? Can anyone explain this?

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don't understand how you can be knighted by England's queen if you are not subject to her rule? Is this the UK's version of a Nobel prize? Can anyone explain this?

You might want to check the difference between England/Britain/United Kingdom/Commonwealth. The terms are not interchangeable.

Knighthoods can be given to Commonwealth citizens, but as the original article (Telegraph) points out, a sort of honorary knighthood can be granted to citizens of other countries.
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

History, heritage, tradition, the fact that we managed to keep our Monarchy and have them cede powers to parliament without needing a bloody revolution like we are seeing all over the world (less so these days, as there are less and less monarchies kicking around) should really make our system the envy of the world, not one for sneering at.

Because they are faced with generic scorn over their place in the world, many have had to re-invent themselves with charitable work which is genuinely quite useful, so while I think Prince Charles is a tit, I know he works hard for a lot of things that I respect, so I respect him in turn.

Plus, they earn us a boatload of income from Japs and Septics, and we get a wedding/coronation/jubilee every few years for a bonus day off work. The Civil List is worth if FOR THAT ALONE - awesome value for money.
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Originally Posted by dr_lha View Post

The Queen's role here, much like everything else she does, is entirely ceremonial. The list of those to be knighted are picked by the government, and handed to the Queen to dole out. She doesn't pick them herself.

Well maybe if she did pick them it would be less political. Hmm... I bet Jony Ive would have designed him a kick ass suit of armor.
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I thought that only English citizens or anyone that was in English territories was allowed to be knighted.

I think Sir Sean Connery from Scotland would disagree with you.
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LOL, in the cult of Apple, It is an honour to UK to be able to name SJ as Sir, not the other way round.

Anyway, if SJ wanted, all he has to do is to meet whoever responsible and turn on RDF. How hard is that?
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seriously.
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OK, no knighthood... how about a Nobel Peace Prize?

Just watching the prize go to Gore for AGW stuff, Obama before even waiting to see what he'd do in office, etc.... yow. And I'm not anti-O, just think the prize is a joke. On the other hand, why not Steve for his tireless work to remove the house that people were fighting him over? I'm sure we can come up with something good enough for the selection committee and stick it right back to those Labour politicians!
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The Queen's role here, much like everything else she does, is entirely ceremonial. The list of those to be knighted are picked by the government, and handed to the Queen to dole out. She doesn't pick them herself.

So one party feels snubbed and drops their proposal. And then the other side picks it up.

OR the original party gets a new head and brings back the original idea

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post #25 of 130
Maybe someone needs to tell him (Brown) they (the Brits) lost (the Revolutionary War) and we (Americans) are no longer part of the British Empire.
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

We would if we could think of one.
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"because the Apple co-founder apparently turned down an invitation to speak at a Labour Party conference"

I dont blame Steve! I wouldn't brush shoulders with that Gordon twit and his cronies either. Worst thing that ever happened to the UK.
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History, heritage, tradition, the fact that we managed to keep our Monarchy and have them cede powers to parliament without needing a bloody revolution like we are seeing all over the world (less so these days, as there are less and less monarchies kicking around) should really make our system the envy of the world, not one for sneering at.

You do realise we DID have a bloody revolution to get rid of them a few hundred years ago? Only trouble was within one generation they were back again.
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This is a plus in my book. Who needs a BS title from the queen mum?

Indeed.

"Jobs was apparently denied the honor because Brown and other officials reportedly felt snubbed by Jobs' absence."

Just so we're 100% clear: This knighthood would not have been about acknowledging Jobs' actual accomplishments. It was all based on politics.

(In case there was any doubt.)
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You do realise we DID have a bloody revolution to get rid of them a few hundred years ago? Only trouble was within one generation they were back again.

Name a country that hasn't had a Civil war. The point is that our system of Government is a direct result of the ruling Monarchy deliberately giving away their powers to form a democratic parliamentary system that the world copied. My history isn't exactly A-grade, but in essence that's what happened.

The lot we have at the moment might only be Monarchy in name, but I for one would never choose to rid ourselves of them in any way. You wait, get the old sticklers out of the way in the next decade or so, wait for Charles to concede to Will, and watch the popularity rocket.

Most peoples objection to the Royal Family is that they don't have to pay tax, and they receive (collectively) a £30m or so payout each year to keep the ticking over (The Civil List). Any other complaints are likely to not be grounded in any logical basis. I worked out the Civil List to cost the average (at todays prices and not counting for inflation from the past that we know about and future that we don't) person who works and pays taxes approx £35 over a lifetime. I've already have I think 3 days off work in my working career due to Royal Family related public holidays, and there's a glut coming soon to boot. And most of the major ones pay tax voluntarily too. Plus, when we get a REALLY irritating one, the Yanks are more than pleased to take her off our hands
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

The role of Royalty is to be God's representative on Earth (that is the tradition anyway).
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I wonder if an ensemble of 501s, trainers and turtle neck would have gone down well with the courtiers?
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Indeed.

"Jobs was apparently denied the honor because Brown and other officials reportedly felt snubbed by Jobs' absence."

Just so we're 100% clear: This knighthood would not have been about acknowledging Jobs' actual accomplishments. It was all based on politics.

(In case there was any doubt.)

And wasnt the year this was suppose to happen, 2009, the same year Jobs was medical leave as a surviving cancer patient with deteriorating health unless he received a new liver? Unless being knighted gets you to the front of that list I think he cared less then than he does now.
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

History, heritage, tradition, the fact that we managed to keep our Monarchy and have them cede powers to parliament without needing a bloody revolution like we are seeing all over the world (less so these days, as there are less and less monarchies kicking around) should really make our system the envy of the world, not one for sneering at.

Because they are faced with generic scorn over their place in the world, many have had to re-invent themselves with charitable work which is genuinely quite useful, so while I think Prince Charles is a tit, I know he works hard for a lot of things that I respect, so I respect him in turn.

Plus, they earn us a boatload of income from Japs and Septics, and we get a wedding/coronation/jubilee every few years for a bonus day off work. The Civil List is worth if FOR THAT ALONE - awesome value for money.

Gee, I thought the 1600's in England were pretty bloody, with the English Civil War, Cromwell, and all that.
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Name a country that hasn't had a Civil war.

Monaco. I’d estimate about half the world’s countries haven’t had a civil war. That doesnt’ mean they haven’t had civil unrest or overthrown the government, but I don’t that should be defined as a war.
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Whatever. So far as I'm concerned, Steve Jobs is, well, to all a good knight.
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

History, heritage, tradition, the fact that we managed to keep our Monarchy and have them cede powers to parliament without needing a bloody revolution like we are seeing all over the world (less so these days, as there are less and less monarchies kicking around) should really make our system the envy of the world, not one for sneering at.

Because they are faced with generic scorn over their place in the world, many have had to re-invent themselves with charitable work which is genuinely quite useful, so while I think Prince Charles is a tit, I know he works hard for a lot of things that I respect, so I respect him in turn.

Plus, they earn us a boatload of income from Japs and Septics, and we get a wedding/coronation/jubilee every few years for a bonus day off work. The Civil List is worth if FOR THAT ALONE - awesome value for money.

Wish he would work harder to keep his mouth shut. Prince Charle's comments on nanotechnology and alternative medicine are enough to put science back 50-100 years alone. He's a muppet, admit it.
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OK, no knighthood... how about a Nobel Peace Prize?

Just watching the prize go to Gore for AGW stuff, Obama before even waiting to see what he'd do in office, etc.... yow. And I'm not anti-O, just think the prize is a joke. On the other hand, why not Steve for his tireless work to remove the house that people were fighting him over? I'm sure we can come up with something good enough for the selection committee and stick it right back to those Labour politicians!

Well they gave the nobel peace prize to Kissinger which was a supreme act of satire....
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Can any of the British on here please define the purpose of the Royal Family?

Well, a lot of the Royal Family can not be explained (the minor royals), but the Queen is head of state. Whilst the Americans choose to elect a head of state, we still have a hereditary one, which is really more in keeping with a system that doesn't have a written constitution.

In practice, the head of state in the UK (and indeed a lot of other countries) is purely a ceremonial role, and she doesn't have anything to do with the legislative process (though in theory she can block legislation, if she did, it would probably be curtains for the monarchy).

They provide a great benefit to our tourist industry, and at times of national crisis, they do act as something the country can rally behind. To be honest, I'd rather at the time of crisis we had a non-partisan royal speaking for us than the sort of partisan bickering that goes on whenever the US President speaks, but that's a matter of personal preference.

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don't understand how you can be knighted by England's queen if you are not subject to her rule? Is this the UK's version of a Nobel prize? Can anyone explain this?

Being a foreign citizen who gets a knighthood is similar to a foreign citizen being awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor (which Tony Blair, a man singularly unworthy of an award for honor) was given a few years ago. It's a way for a country to recognize the achievements of someone who has had an impact on their citizens, whether they are from that country or not.

It's a shame this has had to immediately turn into a "my country is better than yours discussion". Knighting Steve Jobs would be a worthy way for the UK to note what he has done for technology, and it's a crying shame an idiot like Gordon Brown had to get in the way of it.
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Name a country that hasn't had a Civil war.

Canada
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