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OK, how about Kuwait?

not even 50 years old, give it time...
post #82 of 130
An American citizen can be knighted but can't use the title. At least not at home. He may be Bill Gates to us, but in the UK I guess they can call him Sir William if they want to.
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post #83 of 130
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Please, spare us the neo-"welfare cadillac" Tea Party rants.

Please, spare us your reverse discrimination supporting racism encouraging comment.

The labour party actively supported reverse discrimination, fact. Reverse discrimination is racism, period.

If we are ever going to get over racism, ALL people have to be treated as equals not just minorities.
post #84 of 130
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Like Charlie Sheen being given two & a half knighthoods last week?

And we now have the answer to the question: 'Out of the three, who is the "half" of Two and a Half Men?'
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post #85 of 130
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

They are knighting so many idiots at this stage it's beginning to lose its meaning. I'm not defining Jobs here - it's true.

Just like the Nobel Peace Prize nominating process! No longer any relevance, nor prestige of the honor or esteem of its recipients.

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post #86 of 130
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Name a country that hasn't had a Civil war. The point is that our system of Government is a direct result of the ruling Monarchy deliberately giving away their powers to form a democratic parliamentary system that the world copied. My history isn't exactly A-grade, but in essence that's what happened.

That the world copied? You wish. If anything you copied various democratic systems that have been around since the Antiquity, all the way back to Athens.
And not only they didn't relinquish their "powers" willingly, but for over 2 centuries after that less than 3% of the total population actually had voting powers. By then most Eu countries evolved what is considered truer democracies.

England once was a formidable military, economic and cultural power, but you're not only exaggerating but fantasizing their reach here. Nostalgia is ok, rewriting history meh.

/end off topic, but then again the knighthood topic was meaningless to start with
post #87 of 130
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Originally Posted by musterion View Post

Gee, I thought the 1600's in England were pretty bloody, with the English Civil War, Cromwell, and all that.

What about the War of the Roses? And no, not the movie!

Also the 100 Years War with France?!

And Europe calls Americans "Cowboys"! Yeah...

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post #88 of 130
wow. this is such non-news. who really cares?
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

What about the War of the Roses? And no, not the movie!

Also the 100 Years War with France?!

And Europe calls Americans "Cowboys"! Yeah...

I was referring to revolution, someone else turned that into Cival Wars, then I asked a question about that after. No-one denies there was plenty of bloodshed, inc. the War of the Roses etc, what there was not and never has been in this country is a proper "off with their head" everyone against the Monarchy full on revolution.
post #90 of 130
I thought the british empire is no more. What a dumb reason to deny someone an award in technology sector.
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post #91 of 130
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

So you accuse someone of being a "Right wing fundamentalist" because he said the truth? If I were to stoop to your level I would say you are a nazi loving socialist.

Beware of anyone who claims to hold "the truth."
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post #92 of 130
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I thought the british empire is no more. What a dumb reason to deny someone an award in technology sector.

The phrase was put out to pasture long ago. But tell that to the Australians, they don't like it at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if the sun still never sets on the British Empire in one way or another for say 20 hours a day, these days.
post #93 of 130
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

So you accuse someone of being a "Right wing fundamentalist" because he said the truth? If I were to stoop to your level I would say you are a nazi loving socialist.

The Nazi's were fascists, not socialists. You don't get more right wing than a fascist.

It's the communists/Stalinists that were heavily socialist.

Everyone else is in the gray in between.
post #94 of 130
Add one more to the ever growing list of "enemies" for a supposed offense to Appledom.
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

Most peoples objection to the Royal Family is that they don't have to pay tax, and they receive (collectively) a £30m or so payout each year to keep the ticking over (The Civil List). Any other complaints are likely to not be grounded in any logical basis. I worked out the Civil List to cost the average (at todays prices and not counting for inflation from the past that we know about and future that we don't) person who works and pays taxes approx £35 over a lifetime. I've already have I think 3 days off work in my working career due to Royal Family related public holidays, and there's a glut coming soon to boot. And most of the major ones pay tax voluntarily too. Plus, when we get a REALLY irritating one, the Yanks are more than pleased to take her off our hands

While they get £30m from the civil list, the Queen also gave up the right to all income from her land and assets, and I believe the same might be true for Prince Charles (much of the Duchy income is given to charity). the income brought in from the land they own more than makes up for the £30m given by the tax payer. Buckingham Palace will never tell you this as the monarchy must remain politically neutral.

The monarchy in Britain holds a purely ceremonial role in politics. I have great admiration for the monarchy, and the net gain to the UK economy means I will always stand up for them (unlike Colin Firth).

With regards to Gordon blocking, Jobs' knighthood because he wouldn't attend a Labour conference... that doesn't surprise me at all. Brown is a vindictive little so-and-so and was veery much out of his depth.
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Originally Posted by G_Warren View Post

You might want to check the difference between England/Britain/United Kingdom/Commonwealth. The terms are not interchangeable.

Knighthoods can be given to Commonwealth citizens, but as the original article (Telegraph) points out, a sort of honorary knighthood can be granted to citizens of other countries.

When awarding a knighthood to a citizen of a commonwealth country of which the queen is separately head of state, is she acting solely upon the advice of that country's government? In other words, could a different country's government circumvent the British government's block of a knighthood? For that matter, can the present British prime minister re-recommend Jobs?
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Great troll post. 9/10.

Made all the better because you posted it from country founded by British citizens, used a language originating in Britain to deliver it and sent it over internet standard invented by a Brit.

And the iPhone you are carrying has a CPU that was designed in Britain, and a GPU that was designed in Britain, with industrial design by a Briton, who now wants to return, from the madness of the US, to his motherland!
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Originally Posted by Magic_Al View Post

When awarding a knighthood to a citizen of a commonwealth country of which the queen is separately head of state, is she acting solely upon the advice of that country's government? In other words, could a different country's government circumvent the British government's block of a knighthood? For that matter, can the present British prime minister re-recommend Jobs?

Typically the Queen doesn't have a say as to who she knights. The British government periodically puts a list forward to the Queen and unless there's an extremely good reason not to knight a person, she will follow the will of the government as the UKs elected representatives of the people.
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Originally Posted by Habañero View Post

Canada

well we did have a .... REFERENDUM!
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

History, heritage, tradition, the fact that we managed to keep our Monarchy and have them cede powers to parliament without needing a bloody revolution...

Oliver Cromwell's ghost would like to have a word with you on that.
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Gordon Brown, George W. Bush's partner-in-crime.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

It's strange, the Canadians are some of the most peaceful and nice people in the world, yet put them in ice-skates and give them a stick and they start kicking the crap out of each other!

Maybe if everyone played hockey, we could put an end to war!

To us, hockey is war! .....
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post #103 of 130
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

Vatican?

Nope... it's only the remnant of what used to be known as The Papal States (the Pope even had his own freakin' *army*):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_States
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It's strange, the Canadians are some of the most peaceful and nice people in the world, yet put them in ice-skates and give them a stick and they start kicking the crap out of each other!

Maybe if everyone played hockey, we could put an end to war!

Hey, we have to have some sort of outlet for our rage!

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To us, hockey is war! .....

Our patriotism is probably very linked to our hockey....

I'd say GO SENS at this point, but we're at the bottom of the barrel this year and reconstructing our team.
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Originally Posted by Leonard View Post

I'd say GO SENS at this point, but we're at the bottom of the barrel this year and reconstructing our team.

And I'm thankful for the Sens reconstructing this year, since you gave my beloved Sharks two easy points in early December!
post #106 of 130
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

Sarah Ferguson would win, hands down. Tits down?

Not sure about that. As the years pass, support for Sarah has been sagging a bit lately.

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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Well maybe if she did pick them it would be less political. Hmm... I bet Jony Ive would have designed him a kick ass suit of armor.

Ha ... not sure I would want to try getting into a unibody suit of armor!
post #108 of 130
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I'm surprised the Prime Minister *can* block it, I would have thought it would be entirely up to the Queen.

In practice those who make handsome financial donations to the ruling political party usually do well in the honours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_for_Honours Perhaps Mr Brown hoped some of Apple's spare cash would be coming this way!

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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

I thought that only English citizens or anyone that was in English territories was allowed to be knighted.

Please watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 In fact most will learn a thing or two about England, the UK and the Queen watching this video. :-)

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Originally Posted by DarenDino View Post

If Jobs was an illegal immigrant, he would have got his knighthood, benefits,a house, a car and job for life at the taxpayers expense.

If you'd asserted his liberal lifestyle was the cause of cancer you'd have a Daily Mail headline on your hands. Ergh.

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Originally Posted by diamondgeeza View Post

Wish he would work harder to keep his mouth shut. Prince Charle's comments on nanotechnology and alternative medicine are enough to put science back 50-100 years alone. He's a muppet, admit it.

I hope it's not 50-100years but there are a lot of other gullible people out there peddling this tosh.

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Well, a lot of the Royal Family can not be explained (the minor royals),
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Thanks great post.

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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Great troll post. 9/10.

Made all the better because you posted it from country founded by British citizens, used a language originating in Britain to deliver it and sent it over internet standard invented by a Brit.

Ha ha!

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Made me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

Great film. Love it.

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Gordon Brown, George W. Bush's partner-in-crime.

Funny, I always thought Blair was his real partner in crime.
post #109 of 130
I am skeptical that they denied him a knighthood solely because he didn't attend a Labour Party conference. That's a rather sketchy excuse.

Can anybody be sure it didn't have anything to do with his weak PUBLIC philanthropic record? Compare Jobs' track record on philanthropy to say another tech mogul: Bill Gates.

Or the fact that he was really ill in 2009?
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Made all the better because you posted it from country founded by British citizens, used a language originating in Britain to deliver it and sent it over internet standard invented by a Brit.

Computers as such were invented by the British if I'm not mistaken (Charles Babbage). But that was back when they scientists, explorers and capitalists who loved their Queen, instead of social democrats who love their NHS.
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

I am skeptical that they denied him a knighthood solely because he didn't attend a Labour Party conference. That's a rather sketchy excuse.

Brown was generally regarded as 'psychologically flawed', which would explain a lot....
post #112 of 130
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

The role of Royalty is to be God's representative on Earth (that is the tradition anyway).

Ta-da! The aristocrats.

/The dieties? The celestials? Relic of an outmoded belief system. Except for Blind Io, Anoia, and Thor.
post #113 of 130
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Computers as such were invented by the British if I'm not mistaken (Charles Babbage). But that was back when they scientists, explorers and capitalists who loved their Queen, instead of social democrats who love their NHS.

Actually most things in the modern world were invented by Scotsmen
- Television, Radar, decent roads, Steam Engine, Anesthetics, Bicycle, Inflatable tyres, Telephone, Penicillin, economics, Refrigerators, even the US Navy!

Of course, the English invented a few things too, such as the Sandwich
(and gravity)
(and Black Holes)
(and Tanks)
(and the Jet Engine)


As for computers, Alan Turing?
post #114 of 130
knighthoods are rubbish, good for Steve, most sirs are morons anyway...
post #115 of 130
Just to correct a post from a page ago...Blair did not receive the Congressional Medal of Honor. He received the Congressional Gold Medal. Just pointing that out.

Also, even if Jobs was knighted he couldn't go by Sir Steve Jobs. Only British subjects can actually use the title 'Sir' or 'Dame'.
post #116 of 130
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

No system is perfect. Some of the royal family are tits. So what, George W Bush was a tit and you guys elected him.

Actually, we didn't elect him, the Supreme Court did (for the first term). And for the 2nd term, he lost the popular vote. And I resent you calling George W Bush a tit. He was not a tit, he was a moron. Like the royal family, Bush was just a showpiece anyway. Dick Cheney was actually President.
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Originally Posted by hdasmith View Post

Typically the Queen doesn't have a say as to who she knights. The British government periodically puts a list forward to the Queen and unless there's an extremely good reason not to knight a person, she will follow the will of the government as the UKs elected representatives of the people.

I am very doubtful that the Queen has no influence at all on the selection process. I am sure for the most part she goes along with the government's choices. But I am certain that she hasn't gotten people she's favoured on that list. And she's probably managed to keep a few undesirables off the list by exerting her influence too.

When it comes to Steve Jobs, as much of a genius and visionary as the guy is, he does have a very checkered past with his personal life. A daughter he refused to support to the point of driving the mother to welfare. A public battle with neighbours over a heritage property. His lack of (public) philanthropy (though he maybe generous behind the scenes....we don't know) and his effort to cancel Apple's philanthropic programs. Then there's the famous story of him screwing Woz over. Add all that up, and it provides for some good arguments on why he shouldn't get an honourary knighthood.

That said, there's certainly less deserving people who've gotten through before....

...And what's with the hate on the Queen and the British on here? I wonder what the tone of this thread would be if Jobs had actually gotten through.
post #118 of 130
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

No system is perfect. Some of the royal family are tits. So what, George W Bush was a tit and you guys elected him.

Exactly. I'm Canadian. And I daresay, that Canadians will probably get rid of the Monarchy after the British.

For one, it would require a constitutional amendment unanimously endorsed by every province to put it through (or you'd have the oddity of individual provinces having ties to the crown). For another, the Crown is a constant reminder of our heritage and a key differentiator (for most Canadians) from the US behemoth next door.

That and we've kinda gamed the system. We have the Queen. But our government gets to pick these nice people and give them the title of Governor General, with all the Queen's powers. All the ties to the monarchy, without actually having to risk the indignity of a buffoon accidentally inheriting the public spotlight. Every GG we've had (especially in recent memory) have been extremely distinguished Canadians.

And well, looking at the Americans elect Bush twice, most Canadians were rather glad to have a dignified lady like QEII or Governor General Michaelle Jean (now David Johnston) as our Head of State.
post #119 of 130
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Originally Posted by Panu View Post

Among other things, the queen can veto any law in any Commonwealth country.....

Wow. That would be news to the Indians, for starters.....
post #120 of 130
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Originally Posted by stuffe View Post

The phrase was put out to pasture long ago. But tell that to the Australians, they don't like it at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if the sun still never sets on the British Empire in one way or another for say 20 hours a day, these days.

Maybe they don't like it because they are no longer part of the British Empire?
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