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Steve, eat a cheeseburger.

Make it a healthy organic grass-fed raw milk cheeseburger if you must, but eat one. Hell, eat two

His stomach would eat through itself. You can't have a vegan or vegetarian eat meat after years (DECADES) of not.

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The massive amounts of protein and calcium in meat, eggs, milk...

And no, no vegetable contains as much protein or iron as red meat, unless u eat a ton of it...

I'd hazard a guess and say that Steve Jobs is working with a nutritionist. I know this is all bantering and speculation so there's really no harm in these comments.

I'm so glad he attended the event.
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Way to go, Steve!

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Go Steve!

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In steve we trust!!!

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awesome!

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post #44 of 82
Steve seemed to be completely on his game. That's good to see.
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His stomach would eat through itself. You can't have a vegan or vegetarian eat meat after years (DECADES) of not.

All I'm saying is it isn't just the iPad that is 33% thinner
post #46 of 82
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All I'm saying is it isn't just the iPad that is 33% thinner

He looked the same to me.
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He looked the same to me.

I agree.
post #48 of 82
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Originally Posted by ameldrum1 View Post

Pretty sure God has already blessed this man. Fairly successful life by many measures.

Out of curiosity, would you want to swap places with him right now? (Ie, rich beyond measure, highly respected, lunch with the president, etc etc, BUT with a potentially fatal disease about which you can do little).

I ask only because I was thinking about it myself this morning, and came to the conclusion that my health actually matters more to me than everything that he has achieved. Not sure whether that is surprising or standard?

Thoughts?

IMO, that's a pretty silly hypothetical. He did not choose to be in this situation.
How bout a corollary. What would you do if you were 50 and find out you have only about 10 more years to go? How would you deal with that?
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I don't ready tabloids or even pay attention to the TMZ type sites. I just call it like I see it. He doesn't look good. Worse than the last time he gave a product announcement.

Check out the previous keynotes. He looks a LOT better to me -- look at WWDC2010 and earlier.

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/

I don't know, maybe it's just wishful thinking and maybe it's because I saw both my parents die from cancer, but Steve Jobs looks fantastic by comparison and better than he did previously, in my opinion. He sounds good, too.
post #50 of 82
Being at todays event was a true sign of a devoted man pashionate about the future. Hopefully Steve Jobs will return to Apple and help create the future.
As for people saying he looked good or he looked bad, merely an observation. His presence at the meeting shows that his heart is with Apple and his strength is motivated by Apple.........the standing ovation when he entered was proof.
post #51 of 82
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God bless the man! so glad to see him back on stage.

My sentiments precisely... (sniff) brought a tear to my eye.

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post #52 of 82
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His stomach would eat through itself. You can't have a vegan or vegetarian eat meat after years (DECADES) of not.

Hell, I've been on a loosely vegetarian diet for two weeks, and the thought of meat makes me ill already...

I'll never be a vegan, though. That's nearly as unhealthy as eating McDonald's every day.

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All I'm saying is it isn't just the iPad that is 33% thinner

Steve's face is FAR fuller than it has been.

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post #54 of 82
Steve's face looked okay. But if you noticed any side-on shots, he is really much thinner. He did a good presentation but the enthusiasm was a little strained at times, plus he spoke a bit slower than usual. All I can say is may the Goddess bless your path, Steve. Blessed be.
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All I'm saying is it isn't just the iPad that is 33% thinner

Ouch. That's a rough way of putting it. \
post #56 of 82
I am not an expert on nutrition, but SJ has is doing well considering the CA, transplant and impaired digestive tract. Not to mention the bag full o anti rejection pills he has to take.

Anyway, a patient who has a undergone a transplant of the liver and a modified Whppple Procedure would have difficulty digesting heavy protein good... which the pancreatic juices help. Fatty digestion would be impaired too. Not like such a person could digest easily an American size ribeye, fries easily.

SJ probably needs amino acid, processed lipids, simple carbs and supplements added to some simple to digest diet. Usually a GI sub-specialist and a nutritionist with expertise in this area would be needed. Most transplant centers have this kind of expertise... not the Apple cafeteria in Cupertino or some fad diet. Plus he needs to take his pill on time, go bed on time and rest. Not go to work for 10 hours every day.

I am not an expert in this area, may be any sub-specialist in the board care to comment?
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You lose a liver and see how you fare.

Honestly, his vegan diet probably won't make recovery quick, but he's finally making visible progress, at least.

Liver disease doesn't take too kindly to protein-rich foods, so lack of meat & eggs is probably not so much a problem. Oily foods aren't good for you either.
post #58 of 82
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You lose a liver and see how you fare.

Honestly, his vegan diet probably won't make recovery quick, but he's finally making visible progress, at least.

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I am not an expert on nutrition, but SJ has is doing well considering the CA, transplant and impaired digestive tract. Not to mention the bag full o anti rejection pills he has to take.

Anyway, a patient who has a undergone a transplant of the liver and a modified Whppple Procedure would have difficulty digesting heavy protein good... which the pancreatic juices help. Fatty digestion would be impaired too. Not like such a person could digest easily an American size ribeye, fries easily.

SJ probably needs amino acid, processed lipids, simple carbs and supplements added to some simple to digest diet. Usually a GI sub-specialist and a nutritionist with expertise in this area would be needed. Most transplant centers have this kind of expertise... not the Apple cafeteria in Cupertino or some fad diet. Plus he needs to take his pill on time, go bed on time and rest. Not go to work for 10 hours every day.

I am not an expert in this area, may be any sub-specialist in the board care to comment?

You beat me to it -- I didn't get to the 2nd page before responding to the original post about a vegan diet. As someone diagnosed with NASH (cirrhosis) I know what high protein & fat intake does to me -- not very nice, so have had to cut back on the meat & eggs and look to a more "balanced" diet.

Liver transplants are not permanent -- a non-diseased liver will probably become diseased within about five years. A lot also depends on bile production, state of the gall bladder and absorption through the walls of the intestine. Regular bowel movements (2-3 times a day) are necessary to avoid toxicity and the onset of (treatable & reversible) encephalopathy, which is usually treated by ingesting laxatives. Takes a toll on the body and makes you thin(ner) whether you like it or not.
post #59 of 82
He actually looks better than he has in a while. Maybe we should stop thinking of his 'medical leave' as "Oh, he's going to die!" and start thinking of it as "Oh, he's taking a break from work so he can get better." And way to go for being vegan!
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Steve seemed to be completely on his game. That's good to see.

I for one am glad he took the stage to announce iPad 2. It was an important announcement and no one works the crowd better than Steve. He's got it down to a science. This announcement wasn't as wow as when Apple unveiled the first iPhone or iPad, but it was equally important, now there are copycat devices on the market. The message was: iPad 2 has the specs, but it's not about the specs. It's magical and it's cool. It's sexy. No one does that better than Steve.

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post #61 of 82
looked and sounded tired towards the end (last few minutes, but I gotta say, Steve Jobs is DA_MAN!
I have all the levels of respect possible for the guy.
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post #62 of 82
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I for one am glad he took the stage to announce iPad 2. It was an important announcement and no one works the crowd better than Steve. He's got it down to a science. This announcement wasn't as wow as when Apple unveiled the first iPhone or iPad, but it was equally important, now there are copycat devices on the market. The message was: iPad 2 has the specs, but it's not about the specs. It's magical and it's cool. It's sexy. No one does that better than Steve.

I am responding less to how he looks, which hasn't been good for years, than to his overall demeanor, which to me seemed fine, at least for someone who's been through as much as he has. Personally, I think he was trying very hard to show that he is still the man, and still in charge. I have some mixed feelings about that, but I was warmed to know that he could still trot out on stage and make the pitch like only Steve can. It should not go unmentioned that the other Apple presenters did a good job too. At no point did I feel like I was watching a Microsoft announcement.
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post #63 of 82
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My sentiments precisely... (sniff) brought a tear to my eye.

me too
steve looks gaunt
and his skin is loose
i am around dozens of people every day that have his condition.

we can only take it day by day

go steve

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post #64 of 82
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I am responding less to how he looks, which hasn't been good for years, than to his overall demeanor, which to me seemed fine, at least for someone who's been through as much as he has. Personally, I think he was trying very hard to show that he is still the man, and still in charge. I have some mixed feelings about that, but I was warmed to know that he could still trot out on stage and make the pitch like only Steve can. It should not go unmentioned that the other Apple presenters did a good job too. At no point did I feel like I was watching a Microsoft announcement.

It seemed to me that they purposefully engaged more than their usual presenters. It was not at all strained but it really, to me, drove home the point that Apple has many capable and enthused team members.
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It seemed to me that they purposefully engaged more than their usual presenters. It was not at all strained but it really, to me, drove home the point that Apple has many capable and enthused team members.

I took that point away from the presentation too. I was happy to see that none of them lapsed into the sort of generic corporate happy talk that seems to dominate many similar events.
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Pretty sure God has already blessed this man. Fairly successful life by many measures.

Out of curiosity, would you want to swap places with him right now? (Ie, rich beyond measure, highly respected, lunch with the president, etc etc, BUT with a potentially fatal disease about which you can do little).

I ask only because I was thinking about it myself this morning, and came to the conclusion that my health actually matters more to me than everything that he has achieved. Not sure whether that is surprising or standard?

Thoughts?

For me, I wouldn't want to swap places with anyone for any reason. However, given the neutral stance of an anonymous carbon-based entity rooted within the complexity known as humankind, I would definitely choose Steve Jobs existence over what you characterize as your existence. The difference for me would be independent of the wealth or social accolades you mention - the difference would have to be in the acknowledgement that - as characterized - Steve Jobs has lived an interesting, even amazing life, while I intuit (perhaps unjustifiably so) that you consider your existence more or less pedestrian - even banal.

Extreme quality over mundane quantity every time. Add to this the possibility that Jobs may well outlive you - even though you might consider that to be unlikely. It should go without saying that no man can - or should - have to live with the knowing the exact hour and date of his own demise.

Live long and prosper - both of you!

Edit* - Now that I reread what I had written earlier, I see that I am taking a stretch when I make some assumptions about your present circumstances. I am assuming a polemic condition from a paucity of data to assume otherwise. I should know better. Let me apologize. I have no business "throwing stones" - or even tossing them gently. You could well be Larry Ellison, for all I know. Go forth and be well - I wish you the best!
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His stomach would eat through itself. You can't have a vegan or vegetarian eat meat after years (DECADES) of not.

Research and study before you speak. Millions of years of adaptation cannot be over ruled by fad dalliances. Grains and farming have been around for less than 10 000 years in some areas of the world, less than a thousand in others.

Research rather than guessing or following the agenda of Becel and the advertising industry is a must if you want to be healthy. Look what has happened to America in the past 30 years since buying into the the low protein myth. Thirty percent weight gain. It is what it is.

Steve does have a liver and would surely be on supplements to assist digestion re his pancreas probs. If he also chose to eat smaller meals (grazing) spread over the day and didn't mix his proteins with carbs it would put less stress on his digestive system. Avoiding unnatural fats from grains would help. The coconut milk would go well with protein and vegetables (green and low carb). There's a lot to good health. Don't buy into what you see advertised on TV.

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The number of amateur doctors and nutritionists on this board never fails to amaze.
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post #69 of 82
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The number of amateur doctors and nutritionists on this board never fails to amaze.

we simply love steve
as a great guiding light

remember way back way mac os 8.2 was a big deal

remember a green ipod branded at hp

0n and on steve had almost only weak shabby things to sell
but as time went steve and crew gave us more great stuff and less smoke and mirror

we wAS faithful thru thick and thin
and we still are

and if steve one day passes on I for one will be sad like lennon or hendrix passing

we may not always be rational

as sad as that as that may be .

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we simply love steve
as a great guiding light

If you say so... I can only stand back and appreciate the bizarre irony. I've been lambasted in several threads for suggesting that Apple and Steve would be doing themselves and the stockholders a service if they'd be just a little more forthright about his medical condition. Not a lot, just a little. Yet, this suggestion is considered to intrusive and basically horrible. But nobody questions the kind of wholesale speculation we've seen here about his health, his diet, his pancreas, his liver, or any other part of his body or being they feel privileged to dissect.

Yup, that's weird all right. Very weird.
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post #71 of 82
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The number of amateur doctors and nutritionists on this board never fails to amaze.

Anyone can claim he's a doctor, a baker, a candlestick maker.

Fortunately, any intelligent and interested person can do his or her research. There are enough resources on the net to surpass the three hours of nutritional study a medical student gets in university.

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peace 9

Hey brucep, keep up the good fight, man; but mulmouse or what ever his moniker is a fraud Envyboy.

The best thing to do is:
1. publish the facts
2. don't respond to Envyboys
3. realise their jealousy is their torment.


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post #73 of 82
I know Steve to be a sensitive soul so I penned him this little ode.

Ode to iPad 2

Twas only a year ago,
That Steve announced so bold
A tablet would win
As Apples next kin
What hoopla filled his air.

Price rattled about say a Grand*
Every Tom, Dick and Harriet had a plan
Mockups* were about
and the specs let out
Take down Apple was the command.

Apple would be lynched and smote.
Their pad set up in smoke
Their stock to the floor
Steve shown the door
M$ would rule the land.

So the iPad was readily made
From the audience came accolades
There was awe, there was cheer
And then we did hear
Half a Grand was the plan! Not so dear.

The rabble cried out with such airs
Said the price is terribly unfair
The Grands what we need
To start sewing our seeds
Back crawling they did to their lair.

So now shines the iPad new
Many are feeling quite screwed
Whats up with that Jobs
His bowels are knobbed
Yet he ups the stakes by two

Back to their shops they tear
The cupboards they find to be bare
With the solder* all gone
They sing a new song
Vapour* Ware art Thou, O Where!

* Grand$1 000 what the first iPad was predicated to cost
* MockupsM$ and others had pictures and spec posted of their designs which they quickly withdrew once the iPad was aired.
* solderevery guy with a soldering gun and a copy of android OS is hacking tablets together in their garages.
* Vapourware Hardware and Software announced but that never was, never will be and therefore, never appears for show or sale.

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Anyone can claim he's a doctor, a baker, a candlestick maker.

Fortunately, any intelligent and interested person can do his or her research. There are enough resources on the net to surpass the three hours of nutritional study a medical student gets in university.

That seems utterly besides the point.
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Anyone can claim he's a doctor, a baker, a candlestick maker.

I'm not sure - in the sense that I can speak from experience resulting from attending a medical school, but I would not be surprised if the "three hours" you mention were more likely to be a 3 hr. course credit which, if true (like any upper university course), would most likely mean that a student in that section would likely be exposed to much more (over the course of several months and multiple lectures, books, etc.) than would otherwise be available to most knowledge-seekers through an "internet course" of their own making.

Of course, there may be exceptions - and I am often prone to misunderstanding the English involved.

Also, the moniker "Dr. Millmoss" may have more than one entendre - (e.g., a whimsical reference to a famous Thurber cartoon, as well as an academic credential). It is true that anyone can claim to be a doctor - but it should be pointed out, as I'm sure you already know, that this especially applies to those who actually are doctors.

I trust this finds you all happy and well.
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Also, the moniker "Dr. Millmoss" may have more than one entendre - (e.g., a whimsical reference to a famous Thurber cartoon, as well as an academic credential). It is true that anyone can claim to be a doctor - but it should be pointed out, as I'm sure you already know, that this especially applies to those who actually are doctors.

To my incomplete knowledge, no person named Millmoss has ever existed, except in the mind of James Thurber. And he (Dr Millmoss, not Thurber) was apparently eaten by a hippopotamus, as anyone in the world can know if they so choose. The irony of the situation, if we can call it irony, is that I'm not the one who is professing any medical knowledge here.
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I'm not sure - in the sense that I can speak from experience resulting from attending a medical school, but I would not be surprised if the "three hours" you mention were more likely to be a 3 hr. course credit which, . . . I trust this finds you all happy and well.

I can't speak for the past five or so years, me 2, but it was then true (an very possibly still is) that md training does not include a lot on nutrition.

During the 2nd WW, in my country, Canada, there was such an urgent need for MDs that a one year (full 12 months I believe) programme was set up to train doctors for the battle fields. (We were in from the start.) When they returned, with a little more upgrading they were able to enter the profession at home and made very fine doctors for the times.

Today physicians are basically pill pushers and there is so much money to be made in the profession that s/he who has the bucks gets a run at the job, regardless regardless their reason of purpose. Surgeons are now specialists so your common MD does minimal surgeries other than freezing warts or stitching cuts. I am not trying to be mean, the world is more complicated today. They have no understanding of the old ideas of taking pulse, for example. To the modern MD it is only a count. Check out Chinese pulse taking- it is an art and can tell a lot.

A seven year doc takes a lot of courses that indoctrinates him/her to the conventions of medicine that have little to do with real medicine and the person receiving.

I do know more than the average doctor regarding nutrition because I an curious, I do my research from any and all sources, walking or printed. I also understand and practise and live the scientific method, do my own testing on my own body and from the experience of others. The scientific principle which includes an hypothesis and testing and with double blind study when possible reigns supreme. However, anecdotal evidence also has it place. The need for anecdotal musings arises when money is the only factor for testing. If a company can't make money from a theory, it won't be tested but that doesn't preclude it from working.

meh 2, you sound like a reasonable person, and curious or you wouldn't have responded as you did. I will send you a very off topic experiment through the Insider post you will find nowhere else but might be of interest if you are not faint of heart. It supports my point that it is extremely important to do your own research

As for Dr.Millmoss, I am not acquainted with the Thurber reference though I have read his story-the dream one, care, clouds Walter mitty or something - can't remember name at the moment- oh and he wrote for some paper, and a tv programme of sorts used his drawings - but Dr M has mislead and misread me as well.
I didn't refer to him as a Dr. per se. However, his comment did not indicate he was not an MD but his moniker could be interpreted so. Therefore I made only an allusive in my remark, just as he did in his response to me originally.

However, Dr Millmoss, you are probably a very honest person and I haven't read enough of your posts, ginormous as they be, and if you are not one with an agenda, I will certainly give them, er some anyway, a read. One has only so many years to a life.

Namaste,
mhikl

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I know Steve to be a sensitive soul so I penned him this little ode.

Ode to iPad 2

Twas only a year ago,
That Steve announced so bold
A tablet would win
As Apples next kin
What hoopla filled his air.

Price rattled about say a Grand*
Every Tom, Dick and Harriet had a plan
Mockups* were about
and the specs let out
Take down Apple was the command.

Apple would be lynched and smote.
Their pad set up in smoke
Their stock to the floor
Steve shown the door
M$ would rule the land.

So the iPad was readily made
From the audience came accolades
There was awe, there was cheer
And then we did hear
Half a Grand was the plan! Not so dear.

The rabble cried out with such airs
Said the price is terribly unfair
The Grands what we need
To start sewing our seeds
Back crawling they did to their lair.

So now shines the iPad new
Many are feeling quite screwed
Whats up with that Jobs
His bowels are knobbed
Yet he ups the stakes by two

Back to their shops they tear
The cupboards they find to be bare
With the solder* all gone
They sing a new song
Vapour* Ware art Thou, O Where!

* Grand$1 000 what the first iPad was predicated to cost
* MockupsM$ and others had pictures and spec posted of their designs which they quickly withdrew once the iPad was aired.
* solderevery guy with a soldering gun and a copy of android OS is hacking tablets together in their garages.
* Vapourware Hardware and Software announced but that never was, never will be and therefore, never appears for show or sale.

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That seems utterly besides the point.

we care about the guy
thats the only point
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we care about the guy
thats the only point

If you say so. My point was about the lack of objections to all of the amateur diagnosticians we have around here, when it seems like we can't talk about Apple being even a tiny more forthright about Steve's medical condition without being accused of being meddlesome at least, or possibly even a total sicko. So the "we care about the guy" thing just doesn't add up.
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