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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

Some people were worried that the update would be minor changes. Nope. This is a completely new beast.

Wow. This is no toy.

A5 processor - dual core = up t 2x as fast

9x better graphics

Video cams.

Thinner.

Lighter.

Same battery life (up to 10 hours).

Available MARCH 11!!!

No, if you remove your fanboy blinkers you'll see this is actually a spec bump and little else.

It still has no USB, HDMI, or SD ports (hard to believe Apple are still pushing ridiculous adapter cables).

It still has a comically large bezel around the screen.

The screen is still the same ultra-low DPI as the original iPad.

And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

This was a very small update indeed, and clearly a stop gap until a retina display equipped quad core iPad 3 arrives.
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I can only hope that you are right but you have to remember that Honeycomb is a brand new game and, imo, "if" it hits its stride then we'll have a brand new playing field. From what I've seen, Rubin has learned a few things since Android was first introduced and Honeycomb is a strong step forward... of course, the product manufacturers using Android, for the most part, seemed to have learned nothing... so you may be right.

I don't know, wether honeycomb is a strong step forward, but it suerly is a first step forward. Certainly the first tablet OS that may be if not a competition so at least an alternative to the iPad. Time will tell.
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Serious trolling on ComputerWorld - a big IT pro site. They eventually get around to the software and ecosystem - but only after tut-tutting for paras:

Apple failed to move hardware bar with iPad 2, say experts

What's the point though? Apple can't provide hardware that's not there. Just like the smartphone market, the top end tablets will all be using variants of the best Arm chips in production. Over the last two years, that was the Cortex A8 and this year it will be the Cortex A9. One advantage that Apple has (and they couldn't possibly have analysed yet) is that Apple can tailor their chip specifically for iOS. I really don't know what the point of their article was though. Apple's always differentiated itself with the quality and level of integration of its hardware and software, not specs.
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post #244 of 411
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Is this game by apple for apple fanboys so they keep spending money for some smaller updates???
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No wonder it is $79 chceaper then Xoom, add all cost up and Xoom will come out cheaper and better then iPad2($39 just for hdmi adapter, LOL)

I love these Envyboys. They lack taste, talent and testicles.
Get this dude, the eXoom doesn't work- the crashes (no surprise) the screen is blocky so 1GB RAM is obviously not enough. It doesn't have 4G support yet and may never have (don't count your vapourware until your shorts are cleaned.) It's plastic and will crack its way to the trash can.

Envyboys crack me up. They are so envious that Apple is creating a world all others have to copy, badly, it sends them to Apple specific forums because theirs are so boooring "How do you fix this?", Why does this happen all the time?", Does anyone know where I can find this to help me get my (non-Apple product) to work?" blah "Help me." blah "It's melting. blah. blah, blah. blah.

Could go on for ever but I have equipment that actually works. I don't have to spend all my time looking for help because cheap eXoom doesn't work.
Envy on Envyboy.

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post #245 of 411
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Serious trolling on ComputerWorld - a big IT pro site. They eventually get around to the software and ecosystem - but only after tut-tutting for paras:

Apple failed to move hardware bar with iPad 2, say experts

How many of these "analysts" called the iPad a failure on its first iteration? I seem to remember a lot of people saying that it was a joke, that the name was ridiculous, that it would never succeed.

Hmm.

I guess we'll have to see, eh?
post #246 of 411
XOOM numbers will be very small after this release of the iPad 2.

Back to the drawing table.
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Apple failed to move hardware bar with iPad 2, say experts

There is an odd theme going on in that article. Everyone says because there were "no surprises" that this in a minor, if not inconsequential update of the iPad. There aren't many surprises because of information resources like Apple Insider. But that is in no way related to the level of upgrade this is over the iPad 1. It is a completely new design and far superior in every way.

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post #248 of 411
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And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

Wow... that's one of the most stupid statements I've ever seen on AI.

I'll let you figure it out.
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post #249 of 411
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No, if you remove your fanboy blinkers you'll see this is actually a spec bump and little else.

It still has no USB, HDMI, or SD ports (hard to believe Apple are still pushing ridiculous adapter cables).

It still has a comically large bezel around the screen.

The screen is still the same ultra-low DPI as the original iPad.

And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

This was a very small update indeed, and clearly a stop gap until a retina display equipped quad core iPad 3 arrives.

You're clueless.

Thank god you aren't in charge of Apple
post #250 of 411
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Apple engineers are no smarter than those from RIM or Motorola. How is it they can squeeze similar guts into a smaller package? ...[edit]... Apple does not have magic in this technology inaccessible to others.

First, don't be so sure that Apple doesn't have more creative/smarter engineers. But your right the difference in this area might not be huge.

What apple does have is money and a huge push from above for innovation in all aspects of design/technology/software.

What they have is $$$$ from higher profit margins, which they then use to drive innovation further. What they don't have is competition at their price point. All these other companies are always looking at the bottom line because they are use to making cheap products and selling a lot of them. I agree it's Job's and the Apple culture in making great products.

I mean, just think about it. The tablet PC has been around forever.... Nobody could figure out how to make a tablet a great product. It is because the tablet PC had no innovation. Apple turns around produces a tablet that everyone wants. How does Apple do it? They understand products. Job's is a freak of nature. The dude possess some insane ability to understand products like no other.
post #251 of 411
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Ya' know, a while back I was thinking about writing a simple iPhone app that logs geolocation...

So if you are out and about using a camera without geolocation -- you could just tap a button whenever you wanted to film at a new location and it would timestamp and log it to a file. Later you could match with the camera timestamp (compensating for difference in the device clocks).

Not a difficult app!

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Its been done - was on the App Store. I can't remember the name (it was not all that polished but did appear to work).
post #252 of 411
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Dual core CPU sounds like a marketing gimmick - since, unlike Android, iOS cannot multitask, second core will just sit there idle all the time.

iOS is OS X so of course it is quite capable of multi-tasking. And the multi-tasking capabilities of any OS has nothing to do with whether it can take advantage of multiple CPU cores.

I can remember back when I first got to use Windows '95 which did multitasking pretty well even though multi-core CPUs weren't available yet.
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What about regular movie files? Like pirated avi files?

the AVI container doesn't support HDCP-encrypted content.
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I guess the GPS is part of the phone chips??? and not stand alone chips?
But I agree, IMO all devises should have GPS chips.

What ever was installed for memory should be ok; it 'seemed' to handle the movie demo ok. The upgraded graphic processing is pretty important and speeding up Safari is pretty important too.
One of the reasons I held back, when I demo'd ipad1, seemed a bit slow to load web... so I waited (ipad is a nice to have, not a need)
Lets see that CNET video comparision now, well... March 11th

There is NO GPS in the wi-fi and only cell tower approximation GPS in the cellular versions. If you have limited cell coverage (or no coverage) you have no GPS at all (that means no map routing, geocoding photos, etc.). Even with cell tower approximation the GPS is not nearly as accurate as a dedicated GPS chip.

My only disappointment with the iPad is the lack of dedicated GPS - and for me as a geologist it is a purchase killer.

FYI the FAA just this week granted limited approval of iPad use for aeronautic charts. GPS would be really useful for ANY mapping applications.
post #255 of 411
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

I think the container support only lists the format it can decode and play back internally (ie, on the iPad's own speaker).

in which case, presumably, 5.1 lossy audio will be down sampled to stereo for playback via the iPad 2 speaker(s).

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Another HDMI question I have is about the 1080p support. iPad video playback is limited to 720p, and the screen resolution is not much higher than that.

although the HDMI specification (version 1.0 and above) supports 1080p video, i suspect the iPad 2 will still be limited to 720p output.
post #256 of 411
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Is this game by apple for apple fanboys so they keep spending money for some smaller updates???
RAM is only 512MB compared to 1GB for Xoom.(This may limit/control future iOS upgrade for sure)
No 4G support (Need new iPad3 for that,spend more money on i*!!!, LOL)
No USB
No Flash(Expected),but really need for pc/tablet experience
No SD Slot
Display resolution inferior to Xoom
No Widgets which are much more usable for tablets.
Extra money for HDMI adapter while is is part of Xoom
Display resolution is still same as iPad1!!

All features like Duel processor, front/rear camera, Gyro, HDMI, USB, Flash support,
Widget support, 1GB RAM,SD Card slot to expand memory,4G support, better resolution display are already part of Xoom.

No wonder it is $79 chceaper then Xoom, add all cost up and Xoom will come out cheaper and better then iPad2($39 just for hdmi adapter, LOL)

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Listen, no matter how big the RAM, Xoom GUI will always be choppy because Android apps run on VM. The memory will be quickly full if you open many apps, so you still need Task Killer as usual. Compared to native code on iOS, the GUI is very smooth.
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post #257 of 411
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But, there are only 2 free pinouts out of 30...

Assume the 4 pin USB is passed through, then

19 > 2 out of 30

It's a good example of Apple's innovation and forward thinking, that coming up to eight years since it's introduction, the 30 pin dock connector still has new life in it.
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post #258 of 411
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Pretty much what was expected" - An incremental 'Update'.

New DUAL-CORE processor, new speed-devil graphics card, two new cameras, new case design, thinner AND lighter, are incremental?

Whatever, dude...

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It would have been nice to have:

- A higher resolution display

Couldn't happen at the moment due to production issues. In a future model, possibly. Remember, it has to be DOUBLE the resolution, not arbitrarily higher.

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- A bump to 128gb at the high end

Nice, not necessary though.

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- Higher resolution cameras

This makes absolutely no sense.

Higher resolution cameras in portable devices are gimmicks. Higher resolution only makes sense for bigger lenses. Read about the megapixel myth to find out. The iPhone 4 and iPad 2 are in exactly the sweet spot. And you can print even A3 sizes with an iPhone 4. Try it. I have.

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- Built-in Stereo speakers

There can be no real stereo speaker in any such device. Stereo speakers require a specific placement and distance from the listener.

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- An SDHC/XC card slot for transferring pictures etc.

A future model may sport one, but there is an adopter for those that need it. If the added a card slot, they would have to add a way in iOS to check its contents, have applications save stuff in it, etc.

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- A dock port that allows the connector to sit flush writhe the device.

Huh?

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- A design that didn't force one to buy all new cases/accessories.

No one is forced to buy new accessories. They use the same port, iPad accessories would still work.

As about the case, you are suggesting that the iPad should always have the same form factor, so you don't have to invest in a new case?
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

To be 100% fair the iPad didn't have a great deal of optimized apps when it was first released either.

Yeah, but that was a year ago. And there were close to 1000 at launch, with a promise of thousands more within a couple of months, which is exactly what happened.
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There is NO GPS in the wi-fi and only cell tower approximation GPS in the cellular versions. If you have limited cell coverage (or no coverage) you have no GPS at all (that means no map routing, geocoding photos, etc.). Even with cell tower approximation the GPS is not nearly as accurate as a dedicated GPS chip.

My only disappointment with the iPad is the lack of dedicated GPS - and for me as a geologist it is a purchase killer.

FYI the FAA just this week granted limited approval of iPad use for aeronautic charts. GPS would be really useful for ANY mapping applications.

Stop lying. The GPS works without cell coverage. I own an iPhone and I've driven in areas with no cell coverage and guess what? The GPS kept working. The 3G iPad uses the same chip.
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post #261 of 411
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No, if you remove your fanboy blinkers you'll see this is actually a spec bump and little else.

Going from a single core A4 to dual core A5 in a completely redesigned outer shell and with 9x better graphics performance is a "spec bump"? Really?

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It still has no USB, HDMI, or SD ports (hard to believe Apple are still pushing ridiculous adapter cables).

With AirPlay, AirPrint, iDisk, Drop Box, etc, why do I need all those ports again?

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It still has a comically large bezel around the screen.

That allows you to grip the device without blocking the screen and without unintentionally interacting with it. Don't those two available Android tablets (Galaxy Tab and Xoom) have large bezels? Are they comical too?

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The screen is still the same ultra-low DPI as the original iPad.

Does anybody even make a significantly higher resolution 10" screen? Didn't Apple buy up the majority of the screens that are even available?

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And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

How do the generations of iOS and Android coorelate? Didn't Honeycomb just come out and yet iOS 4.X has been out several months? And isn't iOS more stable and reliable than Android? how is Honeycomb in any way ahead of iOS?

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This was a very small update indeed, and clearly a stop gap until a retina display equipped quad core iPad 3 arrives.

What are the companies that mfg displays? Samsung? Wintek? Toshiba? Who else? Which of them makes or is even close to making a 10" "Retina" display?

Just had to ask!
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I just ordered a 32g, 3g refurbished iPad for $559.00 from the Apple store. This is $170.00 below the price of a new unit. I was hoping for a little more improvements with the iPad2, so by buying a discontinued refurbished model, I'll feel much better if a iPad3 comes out before years end. I have an iPhone4 so I don't really need a camera.
This is a 23% savings for a refurbished unit that has a 1 year warranty.
(note: the new same spec'd clearance model is $70 higher, $629)
post #263 of 411
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That's a cute video for the smart cover.
But what are we supposed to do with it when holding the iPad during use?

I think the deal is you can magnetize it to the back.
post #264 of 411
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Wow... that's one of the most stupid statements I've ever seen on AI.

I'll let you figure it out.

No one bothers to figure out kotatsu. He pops in every once in a while, trolls, gets bored and then leaves, pops back in again......
post #265 of 411
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No, if you remove your fanboy blinkers you'll see this is actually a spec bump and little else.

Let's see.

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It still has no USB, HDMI, or SD ports (hard to believe Apple are still pushing ridiculous adapter cables).

Why should it have all those? I don't need any, why should I pay more to have them built in?

Go buy a $300 more expensive tablet from some Apple competitor to have them built in if you need them.

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It still has a comically large bezel around the screen.

Yes, the exact comically large bezel deemed necessary in order to, you know, hold it comfortably, instead of touching the screen.

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The screen is still the same ultra-low DPI as the original iPad.

132 is ultra-low DPI? LOL...

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And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

Only in the version dates.

In actual quality and capabilities it is better. Honeycomb is a committee built crap, based on check-marking a feature list, with no actual attention to detail.

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This was a very small update indeed

Yes, a new, DUAL CORE CPU, new GPU, new, gyroscope, 2 new cameras and a new, thinner and lighter case are a "very small update".

The problem is that Apple has you spoiled. People used to get excited when Apple added, say, video capability to a new iPod model. Now, you get a ton of new features and this is the reaction you get...

Hey, idiot, this was the 2004 ipod: http://techblog.willshouse.com/2011/...-ipod-of-2004/

And what the competitors were offering was WORSE. Dell Ditty, anyone? Creative Zen?

The modern smartphone with full touch screen OS and native apps? Apple had to make it.

The modern tablet device with full touch screen OS and native apps? Apple had to make it too.

Both categories were niche markets, with lackluster products that we'd laugh on them now. Apple created them as we now them today.

And people are complaining? Go get a sense of perspective...
post #266 of 411
My only complaint is still the fact that apple refuses to include useful ports. All I'm asking for is a USB connection without having to carry around an apple adapter cord. I'm a teacher - I need to be able to toss the iPad in my bag with the ability to add files directly on the go without fumbling with a bag of cords.
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If the ipad2 ships on the 11th, when can we place an order for the iPad2?

You can place an order online or buy in-store on the 11th.

I'd be willing to bet anything the initial supply will sell out very quickly.

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post #268 of 411
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This thing will be a hot seller.

We are definitely upgrading our two iPad 1s.

Teachers, docs, business people... many other occupations... this will do wonders.

It is most certainly not a toy.

Actually, it's a toy when you need it to be a toy.

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post #269 of 411
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Very disappointing - not nearly as good as Motorola Xoom.

It looks like 2011 will be a year of Android tablets after all.

Where are all of the Xoom sales, then? Oh, that's right... they're negligible.

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post #270 of 411
This guy has some good points, especially in the comments under his article...

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post #271 of 411
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It still has no USB, HDMI, or SD ports (hard to believe Apple are still pushing ridiculous adapter cables).

Apple was able to sell 15 million iPads last year without USB, HDMI, or SD ports built in. What evidence do you have that these features are that important?

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It still has a comically large bezel around the screen.

Just like the other tablets.

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The screen is still the same ultra-low DPI as the original iPad.

Every other tablet is using either the same or similar resolution.

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And crucially no new OS, and iOS as it stands now is a generation behind Honeycomb.

For the past four years Apple has upgraded the OS during the summer. Why would you expect that to change right now?

Your reference to iOS being behind Android makes no sense. How exactly do you compare one OS to another in that way?

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This was a very small update indeed, and clearly a stop gap until a retina display equipped quad core iPad 3 arrives.

The CPU/GPU upgrades are far more important than a higher resolution screen.

Where are you getting these specs from? How do you expect Apple to get a quad core ARM processor and retina display that no one is producing?
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My only complaint is still the fact that apple refuses to include useful ports. All I'm asking for is a USB connection without having to carry around an apple adapter cord. I'm a teacher - I need to be able to toss the iPad in my bag with the ability to add files directly on the go without fumbling with a bag of cords.

Even tablets with "USB ports" usually use micro USB. You still need an adapter if you want to plug a device with a full sized USB port in, but for some reason people are more comfortable with that because it includes USB in the name.
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My only complaint is still the fact that apple refuses to include useful ports. All I'm asking for is a USB connection without having to carry around an apple adapter cord. I'm a teacher - I need to be able to toss the iPad in my bag with the ability to add files directly on the go without fumbling with a bag of cords.

What other device do you want to connect your iPad to? The dock connector cable lets you connect to your computer.

The camera connection kit has 2 small adapters that let you connect a camera or plug in a SD Card.

Either way there is only one cable involved and it's the one that came with the iPad. More info is needed if your situation is different than what I have guessed.
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My only complaint is still the fact that apple refuses to include useful ports. All I'm asking for is a USB connection without having to carry around an apple adapter cord. I'm a teacher - I need to be able to toss the iPad in my bag with the ability to add files directly on the go without fumbling with a bag of cords.

All our teachers use the easier and much more reliable method of having the students email their papers to the teacher. Flash drives are often in the wrong format and it's always been a bad idea to encourage people to use a flash drive for any kind of vital storage anyway.
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Even tablets with "USB ports" usually use micro USB. You still need an adapter if you want to plug a device with a full sized USB port in, but for some reason people are more comfortable with that because it includes USB in the name.

I'm not an idiot, I know what's out there... which is why I didn't say "I wish it had a microUSB port"
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I just ordered a 32g, 3g refurbished iPad for $559.00 from the Apple store. This is $170.00 below the price of a new unit. I was hoping for a little more improvements with the iPad2, so by buying a discontinued refurbished model, I'll feel much better if a iPad3 comes out before years end. I have an iPhone4 so I don't really need a camera.
This is a 23% savings for a refurbished unit that has a 1 year warranty.
(note: the new same spec'd clearance model is $70 higher, $629)

There won't be a new iPad for a year, and with Apple's 1 to 2 year lead on the so-called "competition" this won't be a problem. The real advantage isn't hardware, it's software. Apple kills all boastful competitors with their software.

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What other device do you want to connect your iPad to? The dock connector cable lets you connect to your computer.

The camera connection kit has 2 small adapters that let you connect a camera or plug in a SD Card.

Either way there is only one cable involved and it's the one that came with the iPad. More info is needed if your situation is different than what I have guessed.

I want to be able to directly connect a USB flash drive to the iPad itself. Our campus is without WiFi and if I need to be able to upload something from one computer to another then this is the easiest way. If you have a useful suggestion, I am all for it, as I was really hoping to get the new version!!
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I'm not an idiot, I know what's out there... which is why I didn't say "I wish it had a microUSB port"

I never called you an idiot, but I have been told half a dozen times today that the Playbook and Xoom are better because they have USB and HDMI built in. The Xoom has Micro USB and HDMI while the PlayBook has Micro USB and Micro HDMI, so a lot of people can't differentiate between the two. As such, I feel the distinction was necessary even if you are well aware of it yourself.
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Apple has never used microUSB ports. What really is the point you still need an adaptor to use it.

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I'm not an idiot, I know what's out there... which is why I didn't say "I wish it had a microUSB port"
post #280 of 411
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I want to be able to directly connect a USB flash drive to the iPad itself. Our campus is without WiFi and if I need to be able to upload something from one computer to another then this is the easiest way. If you have a useful suggestion, I am all for it, as I was really hoping to get the new version!!

Well, you may want to switch schools. WiFi is on every corner. Get a DropBox account and you can access it from any computer. It really amazes me people are so tore up about not having a Flash drive. Maybe Apple should attach a floppy drive too. You never know when you will need it.
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