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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

This thing will be a hot seller.

We are definitely upgrading our two iPad 1s.

Teachers, docs, business people... many other occupations... this will do wonders.

It is most certainly not a toy.

IPAD is now approved for Airplane pilot's charing and log books. Go iPAD
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OK - so what is the verdict for people like me hoping for a better display - I like all the other stuff - just bummed about the display. When Jobs says graphics look much better I assume he does not mean the display but he is talking about motion graphics? Am I parsing or reading in too much about his comments?

The screen resolution has not changed from iPAD (original) ... refresh rates are up by 9x ... mirroring is now available thru add-on connector to TV or projector ... great for presentations. Added two great app improvements, GarageBand, and iMovie. iOS4.3 brings forth additional magic.

Either get over it or just be bummed as you mentioned.
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

It doesnt have to be to allow Apple to make a cable and connections for it since Thunderbolt is protocol independent. They can still utilize the higher wattage and data stream afforded by the future forward Thunderbolt connection. Do you really think Apple is investing in this technology and has no plans to ever move past USB2.0 for syncing and charging?

The Thunderbolt controller is PCI express technology dependent ... the ARM processor and iPAD system structure are entirely different. You will not be seeing Thunderbolt technology in iPAD anytime soon. It is much more likely to see everything going wireless in terms of data transfer vs hard wire. The biggest challenge with wireless is power distribution.
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I have an Iphone 4 and I have seen an Ipad. I guess I have been spoiled and see room for improvement from the Ipad but I understand technology/price/availability cannot keep up.

I guarantee you that on Ipad 3 the first bullet point will be display quality change. I was hoping to see that today.

I am leaning towards getting an Ipad 2 so I guess my real question is should I wait a little longer since I do not have an Ipad or wait for Ipad 3 - if it is a year from now I will buy the Ipad 2 - if it is this fall I can wait. I am perplexed about what to do.

iPAD3 is vaporware for this year. You will see software upgrades ... iOS4.3 has a lot of goodies included. Screen resolution is the same as iPAD ... as you know dual core, better graphics 9x, if the analyst from the orient is correct, ram is 512, LPDD2 which runs at 1066 mhz/sec vs 800 mhz/sec on the original iPAD. This kicks data thru put by a factor of 4. Pretty nice upgrade. iOS does multitasking differently than x86. Safari is twice as fast also.
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They'll have to drop the price on the "old" iPads now.

They already have by $100 ... run fast while they're still available. Production has switched to iPAD2. Of course you can by and iPAD used from someone upgrading to iPAD2 perhaps.
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Are you aware that iPad is not an ACRONYM? Whats with all the CAPITALIZATION?
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Are you aware that iPad is not an ACRONYM? Whats with all the CAPITALIZATION?

Same reason people spell it MAC.

I'm far more concerned about the quintuple posting. Please edit existing posts and use multiquote instead of posting multiple times in a row.
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The screen resolution has not changed from iPAD (original) ... refresh rates are up by 9x ... mirroring is now available thru add-on connector to TV or projector ... great for presentations. Added two great app improvements, GarageBand, and iMovie. iOS4.3 brings forth additional magic.

Either get over it or just be bummed as you mentioned.

Good summary of res and refresh except the omission of 1080p out via HDMI cable, so you can see your iPad's output on many screens, including at 1920x1280 (which is beyond mirroring) - tho' likely only material encoded for that res (???) like video, as I doubt there's anything like the tech an "upscaling DVD" uses. (Or is there?)(And not sure if the material will be mirrored when a 1080p movie's being output to an HDTV [??]). Damn, set out to help complete an answer and ended up asking four new questions.... ...oh well.....

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The Thunderbolt controller is PCI express technology dependent ... the ARM processor and iPAD system structure are entirely different. You will not be seeing Thunderbolt technology in iPAD anytime soon. It is much more likely to see everything going wireless in terms of data transfer vs hard wire. The biggest challenge with wireless is power distribution.

Re: wireless power distribution being a big challenge, again, I could be missing an issue, but I imagine such a future iPad would to no more sophisticated than a 10 year old cordless toothbrush with a no plug cradle to make that work. So I'm betting the company that's reinvented personal computing, smart phones and tablets is up to that one if they wanna be. And I've recently saw that at least one big company is already offering inductive charging on a wireless device by simply resting it on a charge pad. (Think it was Dell or HP?)

As for TBolt being somewhere in the iPad's future, I made the same point earlier in the thread and had the exchange below. I don't think you guys disagree exactly, but he seems more optimistic about the possibilities - and I don't think we'll have 100 GBS or even 10 GBS wireless for just a bit - so if he's correct, it might well be worth doing:

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I understand that TBolt's not gonna happen because the iPad isn't a PCI-E device.

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I think you could be wrong here on a couple of accounts. One is that TB needs low-cost end points to be successful, so either Apple or Intel must be working on a less involved solution. That is a TB chip that handles the interfacing of the PCI - E stream to other bus structures.

The other issue is that Apple could easily add PCI Express lanes to the A5 or latter versions. In fact PA Semi was noted for their serial I/O lines. The point is just because a system doesn't have PCI - E today doesn't imply it won't be there tomorrow.

Finally if they do support TB in a future model it will likely be when they can integrate directly into the SoC. That could imply a limited functionality end point. No matter what the software development is non trivial.

In any event I just wanted to point out that TB could very well be in the running for future iPads. The lack of a PCI Express facility on current hardware means nothing.

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Re: wireless power distribution being a big challenge, again, I could be missing an issue, but I imagine such a future iPad would to no more sophisticated than a 10 year old cordless toothbrush with a no plug cradle to make that work. So I'm betting the company that's reinvented personal computing, smart phones and tablets is up to that one if they wanna be. And I've recently saw that at least one big company is already offering inductive charging on a wireless device by simply resting it on a charge pad. (Think it was Dell or HP?):

This is even remotely viable I would expect to see it on the iPod lone first, starting with the smaller models and movign upwards due to their small batteries. I cant imagine something like the iPad with a 25W battery being viable for inductive charging for many years. Even now charging over the 5W USB in MBPs is inadequate for decent charging times, hence the inclusion of the external PSU and most likely, the introduction of Thunderbolt.

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As for TBolt being somewhere in the iPad's future, I made the same point earlier in the thread and had the exchange below. I don't think you guys disagree exactly, but he seems more optimistic about the possibilities - and I don't think we'll have 100 GBS or even 10 GBS wireless for just a bit - so if he's correct, it might well be worth doing:

You guys are misunderstanding what it means to have Thunderbolt on a host PC. It doesnt mean that every device you connect it to has to have an x86 chip in it. Just look at the external HDDs with Thunderbolt that have been announced. It doesnt even mean that it has to have PCI as the accessory can still use some other protocol, like USB or FireWire, over that cable. All the Thunderbolt connector on a host PC will do is open up the doors to much faster connectivity and power for accessory devices. That means you will be able to connect an iPads 30-pin connector to a cable with a the iPod Dock Connector on one end and Thunderbolt/DP port at the other end to get 10W power supplied to it (2x charging rate) and faster syncing over a variety of protocols that Apple deems best.

In all seriousness do you really think Intel designed the next generation connector and made it so limited that ONLY devices with both an X86 chip AND a PCI connector could possibility benefit from it? What consumer purpose would that have?

Dont get hung up on the connector type or the spec sheet, just remember that its offers twice the power and is protocol independent. Thunderbolt is big news and will be creeping into the rest of the Mac line and other vendors products shortly. This has already been written and Intel already provides controllers for peripherals to offload onto Thunderbolt to be handled by the host machine. When you consider how long the iPad 2 was likely in production before Intel had got denied by the USB-IF to use the USB port interface, and that the iPhone 5 is still the flagship iDevice it makes sense that the iPad 2 doesnt have Thunderbolt capabilities, but that doesnt mean its not possible for Thunderbolt to ever be used with a peripheral that doesnt have an x86 chip in it.


PS: Youre agreeing with someone who thinks iPad is an acronym so you should take that into consideration.
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Originally Posted by bigpics View Post

Good summary of res and refresh except the omission of 1080p out via HDMI cable, so you can see your iPad's output on many screens, including at 1920x1280 (which is beyond mirroring) - tho' likely only material encoded for that res (???) like video, as I doubt there's anything like the tech an "upscaling DVD" uses. (Or is there?)(And not sure if the material will be mirrored when a 1080p movie's being output to an HDTV [??]). Damn, set out to help complete an answer and ended up asking four new questions.... ...oh well.....

Except that it wasn't a good summary at all. The refresh rate of the iPad 2 has not changed. It is still 60hz.
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So is this an SGX543MP2, do you think? If they say 9x the performance of the first iPad, and the 543 single chip is 4.5 times as powerful according to Imagination, the MP2 seems to fit the bill.
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