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Alongside iPad 2, Apple has released a new $39 "Digital AV Adapter" that supports HDMI audio and video output for 720p photo slideshows and movies on iPhone 4, iPod touch 4 and iPad, while also supporting video mirroring on the upcoming iPad 2.

The new adapter plugs into the Dock connector, providing both an HDMI port and a Dock passthrough so attached iOS devices can charge while playing or sync while connected to an external display.

"Watch slideshows and movies on the big screen in up to 720p by connecting your iPad, iPhone 4, or iPod touch (4th generation) to an HDTV or HDMI-compatible display," Apple notes on its store page.

"Use the Apple Digital AV Adapter to mirror whatevers on your iPad 2 screen apps, presentations, websites, and more on your HDTV or HDMI-compatible display in up to 1080p HD (movies play at up to 720p)."

Previously, the iOS devices introduced in 2010 only supported VGA output, which provides analog component video with no support for audio out. It was not known that iPhone 4 and its iPod touch sibling also had latent support for HDMI, a digital connection that pairs DVI video signals with audio. Most modern HDTVs support HDMI input.

Apple also supports AirPlay wireless audio and video streaming from iPhone 4, iPod touch and iPad, which uses WiFi to deliver music photos and video to the new iOS-based Apple TV, or audio to AirPort Express base stations and some third party devices that support AirPlay.

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its amazing.. way to go stevee :x
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So I have the basketball ticket app so will I be able to watch live games thru my T.V with this cable now ?
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So does this give the iTouch the functionality of an AppleTV that actually works with Hulu+? That's pretty effin sweet. Just wished it worked with the 3GS I actually have right now.
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Updated the spreadsheet of iOS hardware capabilities with the iPad 2 models. HDMI output and video mirroring is associated with the 30-pin connector.

Please let me know if anything is recorded incorrectly.

Also, does anyone know if the iPad 2 has a vibration motor in it for game play?
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Originally Posted by StillOwn128kMac View Post

Also, does anyone know if the iPad 2 has a vibration motor in it for game play?

As long as "vibration motor" means "gyroscope".

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As long as "vibration motor" means "gyroscope".

The vibration motor is in the iPhone models and used to vibrate the phone when a call comes in (for silent mode). The motor can be used in many ways, such as to give real feel to the "rolling" of dice:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/motio...287509231?mt=8

I have not heard of that motor being in the iPod Touches or iPads.
post #8 of 56
Everyone always clamors on over this myth about other companies just copying Apple, but this is one feature I hope to GOD everyone else copies (video mirroring that is.) I like the idea of outputting what I see on my screen to a TV.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

As long as "vibration motor" means "gyroscope".

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Originally Posted by StillOwn128kMac View Post

Updated the spreadsheet of iOS hardware capabilities with the iPad 2 models. HDMI output and video mirroring is associated with the 30-pin connector.

Please let me know if anything is recorded incorrectly.

Also, does anyone know if the iPad 2 has a vibration motor in it for game play?

What kind of games do you play, where you would need a vibrator?

Sorry I know it's late here and I had my glass of good ole red wine. I just could't prevent myself from asking.
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Originally Posted by DaKid2301 View Post

So I have the basketball ticket app so will I be able to watch live games thru my T.V with this cable now ?

No you use AirPlay troll.

HDMI output features are pretty clearly defined in the article.
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I suppose this could be useful for presentations, but otherwise I don't see the point given the limited space.
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Is that a bit harsh?

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Originally Posted by Archos View Post

No you use AirPlay troll.

HDMI output features are pretty clearly defined in the article.
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Originally Posted by Archos View Post

HDMI output features are pretty clearly defined in the article.

Actually, one point I'd like to get clarified. Two quotes from the article:

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"HDMI audio and video output for 720p photo slideshows and movies"

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"HDMI-compatible display in up to 1080p HD (movies play at up to 720p)"

So exactly what is the resolution for slide shows? Is it 720p? Is the verticle resolution the same as the iPad, 768, but then scaled up to 1080p (jaggies)? Or is it a full 1080p view of the photos (ie, higher resolution than you can see on the iPad display itself)?

I find 720p video adequate for movies considering the motion of the video images, but a nice crisp 1080p view of still photos would be sweet!

Similar question for the general UI. Obviously, any bitmap images used in the UI will get scaled. But what about vector graphics and text? Is that rendered at 1024x768 and then scaled to 1080p (ie, jaggies)? Or is it rendered at 1080p?

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I suppose this could be useful for presentations, but otherwise I don't see the point given the limited space.

Since you can now use AirPlay between a computer running iTunes and an iOS device, the space constraint almost becomes a moot point. I think you could use any iOS device as a stand-in for an AppleTV. So you could stream the movies from iTunes on your computer and it's large hard drive. Not sure if you can stream slide shows though, since slideshows don't exist in iTunes. But sweet if you could!
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I didn't think i could sync 720p content to my iphone....

I presume it would play widescreen. The iPad demo shows mirrored screens - so it looks like it's a pillarboxed picture (black bars on the side)
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Is that a bit harsh?

IMO yes. 10 posts in and the thread is alreadty degrading.



I like the ability to view on the TV, but don't want to go down the road of needing this cable for this, that cable for another thing, etc
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Originally Posted by DaKid2301 View Post

So I have the basketball ticket app so will I be able to watch live games thru my T.V with this cable now ?

I'm expecting that too but I'm hoping MLB Extra Innings app supports Airplay streaming to the Apple TV.
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Originally Posted by Archos View Post

No you use AirPlay troll.

HDMI output features are pretty clearly defined in the article.


How does the question posed make the poster a troll. And Airplay has to be written into the App. Who says every content provider will want that or do it in time for the season?
post #18 of 56
Next time I visit a classroom to give a presentation on something, I want to do it from my iPhone4. Kids think it's cool when I show them stuff off my MBP13, but straight from the phone would really get their attention.
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Originally Posted by StillOwn128kMac View Post

Updated the spreadsheet of iOS hardware capabilities with the iPad 2 models. HDMI output and video mirroring is associated with the 30-pin connector.

Please let me know if anything is recorded incorrectly.

Yours is the first I've read that the iPad can output 720p movies without just mirroring. I assume this is correct (it makes sense!) and that it means it'll be full screen not pillarboxed.

The point of this article is that the iPhone 4 can also output 720p HDMI - this isn't recorded in your table.
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Does the iPhone 4 also support mirror view or only the iPad 2?
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post #21 of 56
The unspoken benefit of this: iPad + HDTV = console

You dock your iPad and use an iPhone or iPod as a controller and you have a full fledged console. With the power of the A5 chip, the kind of games that can now be developed is on par with Xbox and Playstation.
post #22 of 56
It's my understanding that whatever app you are using that you want displayed on your TV, MUST support "video out" or it won't work. So, MLB may or may not, need to check.

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I just watched the keynote. Jobs explicitly stated that HDMI out works with ALL APPS.
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post #23 of 56
Apple is already eating Nintendos DS-lunch. What about the Wii as dessert? The iPad hooked up to a TV is more powerful than the Wii. Using an iPod/iPhone as a controller and it's a whole new bowling game.
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Can someone explain to me the Dock Connector?

It's female like on the bottom of the iPad. How do you charge?

Are there male to male Dock Connectors out there?
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Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post

Can someone explain to me the Dock Connector?

It's female like on the bottom of the iPad. How do you charge?

Are there male to male Dock Connectors out there?

How is this confusing? Instead of plugging your NORMAL cable into your iPad, you plug it into the HDMI dongle.

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post #26 of 56
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Originally Posted by Archos View Post

No you use AirPlay troll.

HDMI output features are pretty clearly defined in the article.

WRONG.

HDMI works with EVERYTHING. All Apps.
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post #27 of 56
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Originally Posted by lowededwookie View Post

Can someone explain to me the Dock Connector?

It's female like on the bottom of the iPad. How do you charge?

Are there male to male Dock Connectors out there?

You're looking at just one side of the connector, the 2 female sockets. It actually has 3 'bits' to plug in
1) male iPad connector on a cable
2) female iPad socket
3) female HDMI socket.

Instead of plugging your regular iPad cable from power to the base of the iPad, you'll plug it from power into the connector's female iPad socket - then plug the connector's iPad connector to the base of the iPad.

At that point it's not doing anything extra of course - until you plug HDMI in too.
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

What kind of games do you play, where you would need a vibrator?

Sorry I know it's late here and I had my glass of good ole red wine. I just could't prevent myself from asking.

Not at all creepy.

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Not at all creepy.


It's creepier when you combine it with facetime.
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

WRONG.

HDMI works with EVERYTHING. All Apps.

When you use caps lock to type "wrong," you should actually be refuting something that is incorrect. The article is right, and you are mistaken.

Mirroring works on iPad2. It is not supported by other iOS devices by Apple. The original poster was asking about an iPhone app.
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Originally Posted by MacShack View Post

Does the iPhone 4 also support mirror view or only the iPad 2?

Universal Mirror is only HDMI or VGA adapters out the iPad 2. On other devices it will depend on what app you're running.

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post #32 of 56
ergh, dangly thing. couldn't it be a single block?
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

You're looking at just one side of the connector, the 2 female sockets. It actually has 3 'bits' to plug in
1) male iPad connector on a cable
2) female iPad socket
3) female HDMI socket.

Instead of plugging your regular iPad cable from power to the base of the iPad, you'll plug it from power into the connector's female iPad socket - then plug the connector's iPad connector to the base of the iPad.

At that point it's not doing anything extra of course - until you plug HDMI in too.

Funny, I was just driving home and the image of how it all works popped into my head. I do have a head cold - ironically thanks to a dusty Windows PC... yes, Windows gave ME a virus.

It makes sense that there's a male connector to the iPad then the HDMI, then a female connector that allows the USB lead to plug in. This did not make sense to me when I posted this.

Of course it wasn't until I was 21 before I realised the reason there was so much water after a house fire was because of the water coming from the fire hoses so go figure.
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Originally Posted by drow View Post

ergh, dangly thing. couldn't it be a single block?

They obviously tried that and it didn't work well.

Originally Posted by helia

I can break your arm if I apply enough force, but in normal handshaking this won't happen ever.
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post #35 of 56
This is an example of something that so many people just don't get.

I have recently had a couple of people showing me their various Droid devices and explaining how it is so much better to have a mini-HDMI port built into the device - and how the iPhone does not have one.

And here we have a cable connector that does allow existing iPhones to have a standard HDMI port.

In other words Apple has improved the functionality of their device through an upgrade to software and or add on hardware - something that I have not seen much of from the competitors.

Okay some may argue that having an external cable solution is not as streamlined or elegant as having it built in. But on the flip side - there are trade-offs across the board in any device - from an engineering to cost of manufacture to form factor etc.

An external solution also means that only those who actually want to use it need to spend the extra $ - it also means that third party solutions or used product should be available before long meaning I don't need to replace my iPhone every six months to take advantage of the latest and greatest stuff.
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ergh, dangly thing. couldn't it be a single block?

I've been using the iPad/iPhone dock-to-VGA adaptor. Trust me, a dangly thing is more useful than just a block. You can manoeuvre the iPad/iPhone without having to move around the big ass long HDMI or VGA cable connected to the TV/Projector. OK not so much an issue with HDMI cables but with VGA projector cables, those things are big, long and heavy. (That's what she said... Zing!)
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Originally Posted by bongo View Post

Apple is already eating Nintendos DS-lunch. What about the Wii as dessert? The iPad hooked up to a TV is more powerful than the Wii. Using an iPod/iPhone as a controller and it's a whole new bowling game.

Uh... the fact that Wii controllers are WIRELESS is quite important. Also, you can use more than one at a time. And, I don't think you could consider the iPad as "more powerful" than the Wii when it comes to games. I doubt the iPad can render in 3D well enough to meet anyone's expectations.

Anyways, I'm surprised nobody's asked the key question that should be posed to this article -

Why did Apple stick with the proprietary iPod cable and not make the switch to Thunderbolt®????

It could do everything required 200X better/faster, and would give everyone a reason to start the switch... Paying $39 for this adapter plus $? for Thunderbolt adapters seems pretty silly given the 2 products are released basically at the same time. I can think of no good reason (other than Apple selling a simple adapter for $39) why they couldn't have used Thunderbolt in the iPad - isn't it also smaller internally than USB?
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Uh... the fact that Wii controllers are WIRELESS is quite important. Also, you can use more than one at a time. And, I don't think you could consider the iPad as "more powerful" than the Wii when it comes to games. I doubt the iPad can render in 3D well enough to meet anyone's expectations.

Anyways, I'm surprised nobody's asked the key question that should be posed to this article -

Why did Apple stick with the proprietary iPod cable and not make the switch to Thunderbolt™®????

It could do everything required 200X better/faster, and would give everyone a reason to start the switch... Paying $39 for this adapter plus $? for Thunderbolt adapters seems pretty silly given the 2 products are released basically at the same time. I can think of no good reason (other than Apple selling a simple adapter for $39) why they couldn't have used Thunderbolt in the iPad - isn't it also smaller internally than USB?

Thunderbolt is not just a cable - there is a chip involved and device drivers etc - that has to go inside the iPad and iOS - but yes it would seem to make more sense to put a thunderbolt chip inside the iPad and maybe even the iPhone at some point - and then to keep things simple - have a 30pin dock connector to thunderbolt cable. I do not know what the reasons for not doing so are - but I would guess that over the next couple years we will see more and more use of thunderbolt chips/connectors/cables throughout Apple's product lineup - and at some point after the thunderbolt ecosystem is robust enough - the removal of legacy ports from devices across the board.
post #39 of 56
HDMI out (finally) is cool, but it's disappointing (and a little dishonest) to hype 1080 output but the device will only play back 720. Oh well, hopefully next time around.
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

HDMI out (finally) is cool, but it's disappointing (and a little dishonest) to hype 1080 output but the device will only play back 720. Oh well, hopefully next time around.

Yeah, pretty misleading advertising - I'm sure lots of people will see "1080p" output on the website or on the box or in the store and assume that means that they can play 1080p... too bad only 720p video is possible...
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