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post #81 of 130
I wonder how soon the first Class action will descend if they release a 3rd iPad iteration in 2011...Could be a costly marketing boob.
post #82 of 130
I think that Gruber's arguments still stands. A new release for a consumer product in September makes sense.

As for the retina displays - it looks like they were testing them in cupertino ( as per the iBooks iPad icon) and so the reason we dont have it is yield. why wait a year? If Apple are spending money on components they need to get their money's worth. Next year is a aeon away. Competitors, by their multi-manufacturing nature - will be producing a lot more in the next year.

Sept 2011. year of the iPad 2 HD.

( if it is just a screen change then the version does not have to change)
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post #83 of 130
remember - the iPAd 2 HD does not need any other additions - no gps, no increased RAM, no NFC, no other stuff which could go into 3. Just needs a screen.
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post #84 of 130
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

This is hardly surprising. I've always said that the fall iPad3 rumors were completely stupid and came from ignorant minded people. Apple doesn't operate that way, and only a clueless person would even suggest such a dumb thing.

The iPad2 will still be selling a lot around Christmas. .... Apple will be selling millions and millions of iPads, while a bunch of clueless people will continue to make dumb predictions and suggestions. These "experts" and "analysts" should offer their great advice to Apple's competitors instead, because they're the ones who could use it.

The competitors "could use" bad advice? Ohh-kay. But they seem to have had plenty already.

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Originally Posted by Mike11 View Post

I second that. There's no reason why Apple couldn't introduce an iPad 2 S/HD/Pro/4G/etc. in September or Q4 2011.

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Originally Posted by StrangeThingInTheLand View Post

I vote with this. Nothing wrong with releasing an ipad 2 HD (or ipad 2 4g, though I think that's more of a stretch) and it's still the year of the ipad 2. They don't replace the ipad 2, they just grow the product line, and maybe have a price drop on the ipad 2 that would further squeeze competitors. Not saying one way or the other, but simply that it's a stretch to say there won't be an HD model prior to one year from now, based only on what was emphasized today.

An iOS 5 release (P>50%) (or at least 4.5) (P>85%) would do quite nicely to "upgrade" the iPad2 and again leapfrog over Android et al. in the fall without changing component one.

Which is not to wholly rule out other pre-emptive strikes like adding LTE (P<50%) or an iPad Pro (P<33%), but I read two full pages of posts and no one had mentioned the OS upgrade factor.

And, think about it, that does make for a feasible "cycle" which updates the iPad twice a year, even it's one hardware and one software iteration (to extend its "newness") about six months apart. And gives the tablet its spring showcase and with the summer for the phones and fall for the Pods, and ATV's (and other staggered releases for iMacs, MBP's, Airs, etc.). Sounds like a good biz strategy to me.....

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If there is any surprise hardware in the fall other than iPods Including a new 5-6" iPod it will be an Apple TV, a real TV not a set top box. If you're thinking anything else you're not paying attention!

Probably not. The current Apple TV works with all TV's and has plenty of maturation left to do. Q is whether it'll be a bump or the true next gen, 'cos it's gettin' due either way. About time with all the pieces in the ecosystem growing in sophistication and converging functions. (P>75%).

Apple may make a TV someday, but I think they have plenty of gas left in iDevices and there's so much unsettled in the TV biz these days (e.g., 3D and if so what 3D, what the content providers are going to make available thru the net and thru companies like Apple, all kinds of fragmented net widgets on sets, etc.), plus the issue of getting enough shelf space to sell something as big as 50" TVs. iPads are going to be at Verizon and AT&T stores, Apple Stores, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, the Shack and I read yesterday, maybe at places like Bed, Bath and Beyond. (I wouldn't kid about that.) A premium priced Apple Television (like 2 or 1 models to start) would have trouble standing out in a superstore TV section of set after set after set afer.... And what would a "true Apple TV" do that a Samsung connected to an ATV box wouldn't?? And why would Apple not want to provide a competitive experience on every HDTV in the land (with all the other "add-a-box" solutions - some of which do useful things Apple TV doesn't - building up some steam)? (2011 P<33%)

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I don't see a single one of you guys giving even one really good reason why Apple SHOULD come out with a new model in September. All you're doing is saying that you don't see why they couldn't, which is a waste of time. A double negative is not a positive.

Uhhh, I agree with most of your posts, but to answer your question, if they were to release a larger, likely gaming-centric Touch, how about to make a boat load of money eating the lunch of the handheld gaming guys like Nintendo and Sony with a Mega Touch (which will be also used for serious apps by those who don't want to carry/can't afford an iPad)? And because there's a hole or two in their SKU lineup at the $349 and $399 prince points? And Apple hates a vacuum like that. Will that do?

(I realize there are issues of how many units they'd project selling, how they'd handle resolution, since a tweener device is either gonna have much bigger pixels (not the "retina way"), or iPad level res with tiny ones, or iOS5 is going to leap to true res independence in 2011 (P<25%) or every developer has a new "tweener res" to write for (P<10%). So, maybe not. But then people above virtually all our pay grades are puzzling the details of things like this out, so whadda I know.....

PS: The new thing - if there's a new thing - doesn't have to be a bigger screen iPod touch, or gaming optimized for that matter, e.g., maybe a Touch with the same screen size as the iPhone 5 (if it increases) - in a shell the size (or close to it) of the iP5 - utilizing all the space taken up by phone components to create an iDevice optimized for better photography that would really replace a lot of the P&S's people still carry in addition to their iPhones. My wish list would include: 8MP, HDR, 1080p, internal optical zoom, flash and video light functions and better apps to manage 'em... ...and I'd take an extra 2-3mm of depth to get 'em..... ...or???.... ...'jus sayin' there's plenty of market space left for iD's to conquer. Cams must be a big market 'cos so many companies are in it. And if people could have everything the Touch already offers in a cam with a few Appleseque cam tricks of its own at the above price points I'd say it'd be a big hit.....

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Gruber tends to not just simply say things like this. Even if he says he's just saying them, there's usually more to it than that. Yes, he says it's a guess, but his guesses are practically always informed ones.

Except that he recently wrote a whole bit about when he says it's a guess it really is just a guess, so I think we can take it that this really was a guess from him.
post #86 of 130
I think this iPad 2 will be a monster hit rather than a modest hit if it appears likely that no 'iPad 3' will be forthcoming later in the year. Or, the 'iPad 3 could indeed come along late in 2011 and Apple then dubs it 'iPad Pro.' That way, the iPad 2 can co-exist alongside the 'new' one in much the same way that the white MacBook coexisted alongside the MacBook Pro line.
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Yeah, you came in to post.

He did say, "after one post," so clearly the comment was self referential. As Harry Callahan said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
post #88 of 130
A marketing slogan means nothing. And apple constantly is dishonest about future plans.

This article is totally misguided, there's nothing stopping Apple from refreshing before the holidays - only a handful of fanboys would remember a slogan from months earlier.
post #89 of 130
Looking at the unimpressive iPad 2 specs:

http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content...galaxy-tab.png

and operating system which is full generation behind Honeycomb, 2011 will be a year of Android tablets.
post #90 of 130
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Looking at the unimpressive iPad 2 specs:

http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content...galaxy-tab.png

and operating system which is full generation behind Honeycomb, 2011 will be a year of Android tablets.

Hello, spec whore. And I say that with absolutely no derogatory connotation; you have my word. I'm a spec whore for some products, as well.

Apple doesn't care. Nor will the millions of people who will buy the iPad 2. If the past decade and a half hasn't taught you anything, I'll sum it up:

It's not about the specs. It's about the experience.

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post #91 of 130
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Originally Posted by dimitrir View Post

Looking at the unimpressive iPad 2 specs:

http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content...galaxy-tab.png

and operating system which is full generation behind Honeycomb, 2011 will be a year of Android tablets.

Lol. iOS 4.3 is about 4 generations of what is, clearly, a beta version of a tablet OS. So full featured it can handle garage band etc.

These Android comparison charts tend to use this trick.

1) Add some nonsense some Android tablet has ( 3D) - by which I take it they mean stereoscope. Hahaha. Nobody cares. Thats a gimmick. If they mean normal 3D - um, OpenGL?
2) Never have a row for the unique iOS stuff - has Garageband, Can Edit movies etc.
3) Number of apps? I missed that row?
4) Hardware acceleration? Missed that.

Even then the iPAd wins on price, and other rows they couldnt leave out.
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post #92 of 130
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Hello, spec whore. And I say that with absolutely no derogatory connotation; you have my word. I'm a spec whore for some products, as well.

Apple doesn't care. Nor will the millions of people who will buy the iPad 2. If the past decade and a half hasn't taught you anything, I'll sum it up:

It's not about the specs. It's about the experience.

The specs were suspect anyway.
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post #93 of 130
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post

DED is right this time

The game changer DED was predicting was Retina Display. I am actually relieved he was wrong about that. It would make me a little crazy knowing the iPad had more pixels than my iMac! I don't expect the iPad to exceed 1080p for at least a few years.
post #94 of 130
looking at all the posts still clinging to the notion Apple "could" release a 3 or 2.5 hardware version of the iPad this Fall (beyond its likely iOS 5 update with some new software features and a possible Verizon 4G edition), despite the seemingly-definitive "2011 is the Year of iPad 2" statement and theme of yesterday's event the AI article was premised on, i just have to say one thing:

you're clutching at straws. really.

the Fall is the annual update time for the iPods (including Apple TV in Apple's categories). aiming at the big Holiday market obviously. there are two much rumored important new potential products in that group that Apple might launch then to fill out its product line and capture new market segments, but not compete with its own existing products:

- a larger iPod touch with 5"-6" screen, still running the iPhone version of iOS, not the iPad version.

- an iPhone Nano - more of a featurephone than a smartphone - that does not run the iPhone OS but is more like the much simpler iPod Nano with a very basic version of iOS.

these products are plausible because these are potentially significant big-sales market segments where Apple does not have anything to offer right now (the global featurephone market is huge). which you cannot say about an iPad 3.

speculation is fun (anything "could" happen!). but to make sense Apple-wise, major new products have to make real, logical market strategic sense - and not compete with each other for market attention due to their timing. "competing with Android" is not strategic thinking, that is tactical (like say, adding widgets and better notifications to iOS 5). so for iPad 3, wait til next year.
post #95 of 130
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It's not that I doubt it. I think it's very unlikely theyll release another this year, in fact.

However, nothing that was said today precludes the release of another. The article did a poor job of proving that it did. It stated in no uncertain terms that the statement that "2011: Year of the iPad 2" "kills" any rumors. And it offers no proof besides saying "Jobs wouldn't have said that were he planning to introduce another iPad model this summer," a statement that was not substantiated in any way. It's simply the authors opinion presented as indisputable fact.

Despite the fact that I agree with him, it's still a poor piece of writing. Journalists are welcome to opine, but only when presented as such.

Well, I'm not always happy to see the rushed out articles in various sites that we get about new products. There are many more reasons for this not to happen, than there are for it to happen. One thing I didn't mention in my post was that Apple is spread thin in developers and possibly, engineers. We all remember that 10.5 came out late because they needed some of those people to finish the iPhone software on time. Having more products coming out at once would stretch this even further. I just don't see enough of an advantage to offset the disadvantages.

The only way I could see this as having any chance at all is if Apple sees its lead being whittled down too rapidly, and they think they need something then to counter it. But that seems unlikely.
post #96 of 130
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Originally Posted by penchanted View Post

It would not appreciably shrink sales this quarter if it is not announced beforehand.

What? Look at what Apple is doing now. They are giving everyone back $100 if they bought an iPad in the past two weeks, or the opportunity to trade it in for a new iPad 2. And that's when people knew it was coming out now!

With all the talk about September, and the lack of security at Apple's suppliers, it would be known, and reported upon pretty widely that Apple was coming out with a new one.

And do you really think that Apple would just slip this one out? No way! They would have another show.

But, a new model would suppress all the sales boost they get now from it coming out in March or April. It could be a wash. If so, then what would be the point, with all the problems it would cause for them?
post #97 of 130
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The reason would be to completely knock the wind out of the competition. The only point in doing it would be to deliver a Retina Display - something so profoundly obvious that its absence in competitors products would make an iPad "the only choice".

I don't necessarily see this as aligning the iPad announcement with iPods. Instead, I see them delivering a premium device with a hi-def display this fall which gets pushed down to other models during the next spring refresh.

Since you've been in manufacturing, you can understand the advantage of having an extra few months to get yields up in a standard production run where demand could be tempered by a higher selling price.

That's not much of a reason. They would do that in March as well.

I also don't understand why Apple would want to bifurcate their product line with a "pro" model. I think that's a terrible idea! One major Advantage over Android is the lack, pretty much, of differing resolutions in current models, and you want Apple to do just that?

Ramp up can take place for March even better, as it's a slower time.
post #98 of 130
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

Also don't get why 2011 being "Year of iPad 2" means there won't be a premium version of iPad 2 in 2011. \

I don't see why it would. The fact that you want it to be, doesn't influence anything.
post #99 of 130
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Originally Posted by Mike11 View Post

To crush the competition, to introduce a high-end/higher-margin "Pro" model (and as Jobs mentioned, only one of the six iPad 2 SKUs is more expensive than the competition), to shift the yearly release cycle closer to the holiday season, etc.

None of those are even reasons, much less good ones.

Apple has made it very clear, and they did so again this time, that they are NOT going to be in the business of coming out with premium priced tablets. VERY clear. So, forget that.

They can crush the competition as well in March as in September.

There's no good reason to move to the holiday season. The iPad will sell well there anyway.

There are far more reasons for this not to be done than to be done, as I've written about in other posts. They supersede the minor reasons it might be done.
post #100 of 130
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

I think that Gruber's arguments still stands. A new release for a consumer product in September makes sense.

As for the retina displays - it looks like they were testing them in cupertino ( as per the iBooks iPad icon) and so the reason we dont have it is yield. why wait a year? If Apple are spending money on components they need to get their money's worth. Next year is a aeon away. Competitors, by their multi-manufacturing nature - will be producing a lot more in the next year.

Sept 2011. year of the iPad 2 HD.

( if it is just a screen change then the version does not have to change)

Of course the version would have to change. You're talking about a lot of engineering and software work to be done. They can't just replace the screen!

This is four times the pixels, performance would suffer greatly if they just replaced the screen. They would need a more powerful CPU to feed the gpu, which would need a hefty upgrade (it would need to be four times as powerful to keep up with the increased Rez).

They would have to increase the RAM.

Then the software and pictures need to be upgraded. Battery life would suffer without a newer battery and efficiency increases.

What do you think this is, a children's toy?

And all of this is going to be done in the next six months?
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

remember - the iPAd 2 HD does not need any other additions - no gps, no increased RAM, no NFC, no other stuff which could go into 3. Just needs a screen.

As I just said, that's totally wrong!
post #102 of 130
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Uhhh, I agree with most of your posts, but to answer your question, if they were to release a larger, likely gaming-centric Touch, how about to make a boat load of money eating the lunch of the handheld gaming guys like Nintendo and Sony with a Mega Touch (which will be also used for serious apps by those who don't want to carry/can't afford an iPad)? And because there's a hole or two in their SKU lineup at the $349 and $399 prince points? And Apple hates a vacuum like that. Will that do?

(I realize there are issues of how many units they'd project selling, how they'd handle resolution, since a tweener device is either gonna have much bigger pixels (not the "retina way"), or iPad level res with tiny ones, or iOS5 is going to leap to true res independence in 2011 (P<25%) or every developer has a new "tweener res" to write for (P<10%). So, maybe not. But then people above virtually all our pay grades are puzzling the details of things like this out, so whadda I know.....

PS: The new thing - if there's a new thing - doesn't have to be a bigger screen iPod touch, or gaming optimized for that matter, e.g., maybe a Touch with the same screen size as the iPhone 5 (if it increases) - in a shell the size (or close to it) of the iP5 - utilizing all the space taken up by phone components to create an iDevice optimized for better photography that would really replace a lot of the P&S's people still carry in addition to their iPhones. My wish list would include: 8MP, HDR, 1080p, internal optical zoom, flash and video light functions and better apps to manage 'em... ...and I'd take an extra 2-3mm of depth to get 'em..... ...or???.... ...'jus sayin' there's plenty of market space left for iD's to conquer. Cams must be a big market 'cos so many companies are in it. And if people could have everything the Touch already offers in a cam with a few Appleseque cam tricks of its own at the above price points I'd say it'd be a big hit.....

We read a rumor in one place, and all of a sudden, people all over are giving crazy reasons why it will come true. I don't believe any of these current ones.

Gruber said that his idea was just that. He had no word from anyone that it would come true, and he was just expressing some reasons why he though it might be a good idea. But it isn't. While Gruber knows something about the market and Apple, he doesn't know anything about manufacturing or marketing. And those are more complex than most people think. That's why there are so many failed products.

Remember both Jobs and Cook have stated recently that they are most proud of the products they refused to do. That's a very important point that's being ignored here.
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I wonder how soon the first Class action will descend if they release a 3rd iPad iteration in 2011...Could be a costly marketing boob.

A class action because a newer product was released?
post #104 of 130
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Originally Posted by dimitrir View Post

2011 will be a year of Android tablets.

Is this this new party drug, that makes you puke the mornig after?
post #105 of 130
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Well, I'm not always happy to see the rushed out articles in various sites that we get about new products. There are many more reasons for this not to happen, than there are for it to happen.

I'm having difficulty discerning your point. Are you defending the author based on the basis of there being worse examples of journalism out there?
post #106 of 130
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

The iPad, iPhone, iPod, Macs are annual releases. They are not biannual releases.

I'm assuming you meant semiannual.

Macs are certainly not on a rigid 12-month refresh schedule.
post #107 of 130
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I wonder how soon the first Class action will descend if they release a 3rd iPad iteration in 2011...Could be a costly marketing boob.

Class action suit on what basis?

But if Apple needed some wiggle room they could correctly claim that their fiscal year ends 9/2011 and could announce in October - the first month of the 2012 fiscal year.
post #108 of 130
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

A marketing slogan means nothing. And apple constantly is dishonest about future plans.

This article is totally misguided, there's nothing stopping Apple from refreshing before the holidays - only a handful of fanboys would remember a slogan from months earlier.

Any company with any smarts peddles what they have, not what they will have.
post #109 of 130
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Hello, spec whore. And I say that with absolutely no derogatory connotation; you have my word. I'm a spec whore for some products, as well.

Apple doesn't care. Nor will the millions of people who will buy the iPad 2. If the past decade and a half hasn't taught you anything, I'll sum it up:

It's not about the specs. It's about the experience.

He missed the part of the presentation where Jobs talked about technology intersecting the liberal arts and humanities.
post #110 of 130
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Well, I'm not always happy to see the rushed out articles in various sites that we get about new products. There are many more reasons for this not to happen, than there are for it to happen. One thing I didn't mention in my post was that Apple is spread thin in developers and possibly, engineers. We all remember that 10.5 came out late because they needed some of those people to finish the iPhone software on time. Having more products coming out at once would stretch this even further. I just don't see enough of an advantage to offset the disadvantages.

The only way I could see this as having any chance at all is if Apple sees its lead being whittled down too rapidly, and they think they need something then to counter it. But that seems unlikely.

I think that Apple wants the iPad to be like the iPod rather than the iPhone in terms of its marketshare. I think they are prepared to move quickly to protect their lead in this space and, depending on cost and availability, will make a decision this summer.
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

remember - the iPAd 2 HD does not need any other additions - no gps, no increased RAM, no NFC, no other stuff which could go into 3. Just needs a screen.

They would need more RAM to accommodate a frame buffer four times larger and would probably want a more powerful GPU as well (although the current GPU could have been selected with the idea of a Retina Display in mind).
post #112 of 130
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

That's not much of a reason. They would do that in March as well.

I also don't understand why Apple would want to bifurcate their product line with a "pro" model. I think that's a terrible idea! One major Advantage over Android is the lack, pretty much, of differing resolutions in current models, and you want Apple to do just that?

Ramp up can take place for March even better, as it's a slower time.

A retina display model at twice the resolution would not be a huge "fragmentation" - this is what they did for the iPhone 4 and it worked fine. The developers would need to rework their graphical elements to optimize for the new screen but things would still work pretty well.

I will lay this out a slightly different way.

I believe that all the engineering for a Retina Display iPad has already been done because I think that is what Apple hoped to ship this release. Due to cost and production yields of the display, they were forced into Plan B.

I think that the rumors of production delays were incorrectly reported at a much later date and may have had something to do with the display yields.

It seems to me that production orders for the iPads went in late. They are supposed to have 400-600k units for the US launch which seems light, especially considering they are launching in 25 countries 2 weeks later. Maybe they are holding back a half million units for the second launch but it sounds like they will be well behind demand for some time.

You may be right that a adding another iPad is not in the cards this year, but I think Apple will look at the competition (whatever that might be) and make a decision this summer (assuming they can get decent display yields). They would introduce a new model atop the current line at a higher price and then work the higher-res display throughout the lineup next spring. I am certainly not willing to bet this would happen but I also think that Apple is prepared to respond quickly to any perceived threat of their market position.
post #113 of 130
People are crazy if they want to hold out for IPAD 3. The IPAD will retain its resale value but you must sell it before they introduce IPAD 3. My brorther sold his ipad v1 for 450 after 1 year. BUY IT NOW sell it one year later!
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

... They are in the business of selling hardware. Android is set to fail face-first in the mud because of it... Bunch of hypocrites that should be fired on the spot for having such a narrow field of vision....

Android set to fail? Based on what market metric? I guess if one has a "narrow field of vision" (and should be fired?).

I love Apple products... but the blind, almost rabid fanboism of many (actually my new term is "Apple Fundementalism" for those beyond fanboy... I'd consider myself a fanboy, but like many still have a rational view of the world).
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

We read a rumor in one place, and all of a sudden, people all over are giving crazy reasons why it will come true. I don't believe any of these current ones.

Gruber said that his idea was just that. He had no word from anyone that it would come true, and he was just expressing some reasons why he though it might be a good idea. But it isn't. While Gruber knows something about the market and Apple, he doesn't know anything about manufacturing or marketing. And those are more complex than most people think. That's why there are so many failed products.

Remember both Jobs and Cook have stated recently that they are most proud of the products they refused to do. That's a very important point that's being ignored here.

I in no way feel that a true iPad 3 is coming in the fall (I leave upgrades to iOS as the "mid-life-refesh" of the iPad2), but equally, I don't believe Apple's exploited all they can do with the iPod line, based in extending some of the capabilities of the Touch to enter (or create) new markets. And a more gaming-centric iPod or a more photography/video-centric one would be two ways to evolve the iPod line. Which hasn't had a real new model (I consider the new Nano a "sidegrade" at best and not a new "model" in any case) in a few years.

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post #116 of 130
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

I'm having difficulty discerning your point. Are you defending the author based on the basis of there being worse examples of journalism out there?

No. I'm saying that there are a lot of articles that come out rapidly after an event to get the views, including this one, that are not researched as carefully as they should be, because speed is the most important thing they are caring about.
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Originally Posted by penchanted View Post

I think that Apple wants the iPad to be like the iPod rather than the iPhone in terms of its marketshare. I think they are prepared to move quickly to protect their lead in this space and, depending on cost and availability, will make a decision this summer.

I doubt it.
post #118 of 130
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I doubt it.

Of course they do. If they weren't interested in Market share they wouldn't have mentioned it so often.
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A retina display model at twice the resolution would not be a huge "fragmentation" - this is what they did for the iPhone 4 and it worked fine. The developers would need to rework their graphical elements to optimize for the new screen but things would still work pretty well.

I will lay this out a slightly different way.

I believe that all the engineering for a Retina Display iPad has already been done because I think that is what Apple hoped to ship this release. Due to cost and production yields of the display, they were forced into Plan B.

I think that the rumors of production delays were incorrectly reported at a much later date and may have had something to do with the display yields.

It seems to me that production orders for the iPads went in late. They are supposed to have 400-600k units for the US launch which seems light, especially considering they are launching in 25 countries 2 weeks later. Maybe they are holding back a half million units for the second launch but it sounds like they will be well behind demand for some time.

You may be right that a adding another iPad is not in the cards this year, but I think Apple will look at the competition (whatever that might be) and make a decision this summer (assuming they can get decent display yields). They would introduce a new model atop the current line at a higher price and then work the higher-res display throughout the lineup next spring. I am certainly not willing to bet this would happen but I also think that Apple is prepared to respond quickly to any perceived threat of their market position.

I really can't agree. Plans are made a year in advance with Apple. Apple doesn't come out with new models every few months as many other companies do. It's not likely that Apple changed their plans on something as major as a display Rez change at such a late date. They would know about manufacturing problems with a part well in advance of manufacturing, or even design decisions.

As far as the iPhone 4 goes, I did say that Apple doesn't do this with current generation parts. That means that there is only one iPhone 4 design, not two. They do sell the 3GS for much cheaper, but it's still the last generation, and people know it. I don't see them doing this with the iPad. They have also stated quite strongly, and I mentioned this as well, that they will NOT be a premium manufacturer in price. Steve specifically took a shot at the Xoom when he showed the pricing chart for the iPad, and said that only one of the six was priced above $800. I'm very convinced that they will stay with this pricing, and not go any higher.

I don't know why you guys think that it's so important to do this for September. It won't gain them much in sales, and it leads to a lot of problems for them in hardware and software engineering. Same in marketing and distribution.

It would have to be a desperate move on their part.
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Android set to fail? Based on what market metric? I guess if one has a "narrow field of vision" (and should be fired?).

I love Apple products... but the blind, almost rabid fanboism of many (actually my new term is "Apple Fundementalism" for those beyond fanboy... I'd consider myself a fanboy, but like many still have a rational view of the world).

Android fanboys are, if anything, worse. I've been on some of the sites.
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