Michael Savage

Originally Posted by marvfox

Who is Dan Savage? I mean Michael Savage

Originally Posted by tonton

Oh, I remember... wasn't he that kid on the Wonder Years?

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I've never seen or heard him. Is he the guy that the UK barred from entering the country?
Hopefully there's somethIng on YouTube.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

No. And yes, YouTube will have much on him. He is well known in the US.

Originally Posted by marvfox

He has a radio show you can view on you tube which I do and listen to sometimes.Pretty informative.He is a Conservative all the way.hates Liberals

Fred Waldron Phelps Snr and his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper

Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal

former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black

neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe

Artur Ryno and Pavel Skachevsky, the former leaders of a violent Russian skinhead gang which committed 20 racially motivated murders, are also banned from coming to Britain. Both are currently in prison.

Extremist preachers Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim, Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal, Safwat Hijazi and Amir Siddique

Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa (previously Clarence Reams), murderer

Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar

Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr Javed

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

You're saying "no" to what? He was barred from the UK- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1679127.html

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Wow, had not heard that. I was mistaken.

My next question would be, does he seriously belong on such a list?

Originally Posted by segovius

My next answer would be, a resounding yes.

I can think of a few others too who might improve the UK atmosphere by being on it.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Really? Based on simply being a loudmouth you would ban a person from going to a country? And you would put them in the same league as "skinheads who are killing people in Russia ...[and]... mass murderers who kill Jews on buses"?

Thirty-four people have been arrested during rival demonstrations the English Defence League and opponents in Rochdale.

No serious offences were reported with the arrests made for public order offences, affray and being drunk and disorderly. Police confirmed the majority of those arrested were EDL protesters.

Paramedics with the North West Ambulance Service were on standby but were not eventually called to the rally to deal with any injuries.

A large police presence was in attendance at the memorial gardens outside Rochdale Town Hall as both sets of protesters were separated by the cenotaph.

Originally Posted by segovius

Yes I would.

He stirs up hate and in many regions of the UK that will inevitably lead to violence.

All those people are banned for one reason: they will spread hate in such a way that will lead to violence.

One example randomly from today:

Violence at EDL protest

Luckily these morons did not actually harm anyone this time - they have many times in the past, racial murders are increasing - but of someone like Savage were to spread his hate to them they could well run amok.

Savage in fact is the equivalent of these people - he vents it on the the airwaves while they kick people's heads in in back alleys. But they are the same...

Originally Posted by marvfox

No do not listen to all the crap you read here.He was banned for telling the truth which the English Parliament did not want to hear.

Originally Posted by BR

Sego, is your sixth troll sense perking up a little? Mine is.

Originally Posted by segovius

Could we have an example of that truth? Any one will do - just pick a statement of his which is 'true' and which people 'did not want to hear'.

I'm willing to bet you cannot find one - not one in all his millions of throwaway knee-jerk auto-mouth verbal diarrohea....

Not the smallest one....

So, do you feel lucky? Well..do you?

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Probably no more than you can:

point to an instance where his show has actually lead to the death of a person, then you have a leg to stand on. If you cannot, then you are assigning an equivalence that does not exist.

Originally Posted by segovius

I don't have to.....just because it hasn't YET means nothing...

1) Are you seriously suggesting that BEFORE crimes occur the speech that incited them to happen LATER is ok?

2) Perhaps you would care to voice your approval of the German anti-Semitic cartoons in the 30s? The one's inciting violence BEFORE any violence occurred.

3) Or perhaps you believe there is no connection between the anti-semitic propaganda and later events.

4) Or perhaps you just like and agree with Savage. It could be that simple. I hope not and would be surprised.....but it could....

Originally Posted by marvfox

First of all big mouth learn how to spell!ISavage is not perfect no one is.He tells it like it is in life. He is right about Islam and the koran being that everything you read in it pertains to killing of Jews and Christians and decimating women who do not indulge in what these inhumane moslems men want them to do.They cut off their clitoris to begin with.So read and learn that what knowledge is about my friend.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

Meanwhile it has been over a day and I have not gotten a response to my question from segovius. Length of time to response is not indicative of whether or not a person has a reply, just whether they care to reply or if they are online to do said reply.

marvfox you definitely are stepping into a hornets nest here if you wish to continue down the path you are walking. I do not think you will be able to back up your position from where you are building argument from. I have seen this played out many times and you are not making a strong case. Best of luck to you.

Originally Posted by segovius

Wise words Noah - let's hope he heeds them. Somehow I don't think he's in for the long haul though...which probably makes him somewhat more perceptive than the rest of us paradoxically.

Back OT - I believe your question was this:

My specific question. How is him traveling to the UK going to cause death and mayhem?

I would say that his particular schtick is one that - how shall we put it? - appeals to a certain type of individual for whom thinking and reason may not be the raison d'etre of their daily lives.

On the other hand though they make up for this in other ways - primarily in the realm of the physical.

Hearing that 'Islam is evil' and 'they want to take over the country' they are often inspired to take some direct action and - as there are large areas of immigrant communities readily available - these individuals often bring their talents to bear in the back alleys and byways up and down the UK.

It is odd you do not see a connection between hate speech by right-wingers and violence perpetrated by right-wingers but I think we can both agree that were Savage to be granted full access to their airwaves in the UK the hapless Brits would not be treated to an updated version of the Sermon on the Mount.

Here are some of the constituency that would be welcoming and supporting Savage - I happen to know the type quite well as I did spend my early years incarcerated in the UK and had opportunity to observer their depredations.

You may not be in the same position - not sure how familiar you are with the darker reaches of the blighted council estates there - but take my word for it...you should probably not trust these specimens with your lunch money. And by the same token they are very unlikely to say something along the lines of "I say old chap - this Savage blighter is a bit extreme what?"

I submit these specimens for your consideration:


These Nazi scum are already running riot. Already committing acts of violence.

The UK doesn't need more right-wing scum from the US in the mix encouraging them.

Originally Posted by NoahJ

I understand that him being on the air there could possibly cause issues, but he is banned from even entering the country. How is him entering the country going to cause issues? I am not asking that he be put on the air there, just asking why he cannot travel there.

Originally Posted by segovius

The sort of issues he would cause are the sort of issues he WANTS to cause and end in the sort of photos above.

I think that's more than enough.

Hate is hate and it's fruits are not very palatable. I'd have thought you would not appreciate that...

Originally Posted by BR

Now if only the UK would have given the same treatment to the Pope...