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Samsung is headed back to the drawing board for its forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 to improve "inadequate" parts and reconsider pricing after Apple unveiled its iPad 2 this week.

Lee Don-joo, executive vice president of Samsung's mobile division, said the thinner and lighter design of the iPad 2, at the same price points as its predecessor, presents an issue for his company and its forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1. The tablet, named for its 10.1-inch screen, was unveiled at this year's Mobile World Congress and runs Android 3.0 Honeycomb.

"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," Lee said of the forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 in an interview with Yonhap News Agency. "Apple made it very thin."

The Galaxy Tab 10.1 shown off last month had a weight of 21 ounces and was 0.44 inches thick. Apple on Wednesday unveiled the iPad 2, arriving in stores next Friday, March 11, with a weight of 1.33 pounds, or 21.28 ounces, and a thickness of 8.8mm, or just 0.35 inches.

Lee also said that Samsung will reconsider its pricing for the 10.1-inch Galaxy Tab. No prices or release date for the product have been announced.

Samsung was among a number of companies called out this week by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs. In his surprise return to the stage on Wednesday, Jobs said if 2010 was the year of the iPad, 2011 may be the "year of the copycats" with competitors looking to replicate Apple's success with the iPad.



With regard to Samsung, Jobs repeated a quote that gained much attention, in which a Samsung executive was originally reported to have said that sales of its 7-inch Galaxy Tab, released last fall, were "quite small." However, Samsung later clarified that their executive said Galaxy Tab sales were "quite smooth," and that the original quote was incorrect.

Jobs, on stage Wednesday, repeated the allegedly incorrect quote as part of his presentation. "A lot of these were probably on the shelf by the end of the year," Jobs also said of the 7-inch Galaxy Tab.
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It's good that Apple is lifting the bar for some of these developers.
This means improved products at better pricing for the consumers.
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I hardly think they will be able to completely revise their product before launch without creating a huge delay. These things are not just slapped together over a weekend.
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"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," Lee said of the forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 in an interview with Yonhap News Agency. "Apple made it very thin."


Funny as hell supplier can not compete with the thing, which itself consists of supplier's own parts.

No one watches Steve's keynotes. Literally, no one. Disrespectful.

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I'm surprised a company would admit to their product being inadequate and needing changes in such a public way. At least they have the insight to know what needs improvement in their own design, but to put it out there like this just seems like the wrong thing to do.

It's like a Mom calling her own baby ugly...
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Apple's competitors have their heads so far up their butts that they can't see straight. They have no ability to think for themselves or innovate on their own. A pathetic lot.
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It's good that Apple is lifting the bar for some of these developers.
This means improved products at better pricing for the consumers.

Not really. It means all of these Android clones will race to the bottom and not make any money, and some will go out of business, or abandon it, just like in the PC market. Did that really create a lot of "improved products" in the PC arena at "better pricing"? NO - just a lot of cheap crappy ones.
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Not really. It means all of these Android clones will race to the bottom and not make any money, and some will go out of business, or abandon it, just like in the PC market. Did that really create a lot of "improved products" in the PC arena at "better pricing"? NO - just a lot of cheap crappy ones.

You might be right... Just as HP abandoned their Win 7 Slate...I guess time will show.
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I’m sure certain people will post that Tab and other tablets are better because they have a slightly higher PPI, but note that PPI is only one metric for determining the readability of a display and usability of the entire device. I think the Tab only has a whooping 30 more PPI so it’s not exactly something you’ll notice (same goes for those saying the iPhone 4’s display is the best solely because its 326ppi beats newer smartphones with 280ppi). Does the Galaxy Tab 10.1 even use an IPS panel or another more advanced panel type for improved viewing angles, color accuracy, or have a good backlight compared to the iPad?

These things may not seem important until you see how much better it is. It’s like those that say they don’t need a luxury car because their cheap car does the same basic “job” of getting them from point A to point B, except that Apple’s luxury product is cheaper than the other junkers trying to be pushed down our thoughts.

And then there is Android. I think Honeycomb is coming along nicely but it’s too open for developers and vendors and not open in the right way for consumers. They aren’t creating an ecosystem, they’re creating a cesspool.
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This goes to prove that the android tablet manufacturers don't innovate, but rather wait for apple to come out with their next product and try to modify theirs to be slightly ahead.

This is so very sad that other companies wait on Apple's keynotes before making their own products.

Frankly, their "me too" attitude really doesn't promote competition at all.
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I hardly think they will be able to completely revise their product before launch without creating a huge delay. These things are not just slapped together over a weekend.

Your post gave me a chuckle when I considered that the competition is probably doing just that...slapping them together...over the weekend. The xoom, according to reviewers and android podcasts, is half baked. They complained about clumsy interfaces, flash not working and sd card inactive...out the box.

I think Apple's competition will literally throw them together just to get them out the door.

Their problem is are they going to put a product out that is not only behind the first ipad but is now more so with ipad 2, or, are they going to make some snap revision and put it there with "updates" to come.
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The 7" Galaxy Tab was such a disaster, not even using an OS designed for tablets, that Samsung's credibility in this market is gone. I wouldn't be surprised if they are out of the tablet business within a year.

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"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," Lee said of the forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1

Yep, throw the whole thing in the trash and start again!
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Anyone who's in the market for a specifically Android tablet isn't going to be concerned with a tenth of an inch - they want the internal hardware (CPU/GPU) upgrades.
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"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," Lee said of the forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 in an interview with Yonhap News Agency.


With regard to Samsung, Jobs repeated a quote that gained much attention, in which a Samsung executive was originally reported to have said that sales of its 7-inch Galaxy Tab, released last fall, were "quite small." However, Samsung later clarified that their executive said Galaxy Tab sales were "quite smooth," and that the original quote was incorrect.

Of course Samsung will again say that the quote (in bold) is a translation error and that in fact the forthcoming tab is a beautiful thing... much better than iPad2.
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What makes me chuckle is when someone hasn't even used the other product and puts it down based on what someone else says. Or brings up Flash when the iPad will never have Flash enable. How did Flash all of a suddent become important?

The Xoom hardware has nothing to do with Flash. Flash is a plugin that is not really yet for Honeycomb. That will be a simple updated from Adobe that will come from the Android market.

The Xoom hardware is really nice as is the OS the problem with many of these products and the reason Apple will outsell all of htem is the ecosystem and the lack of apps for the Tablets.

When important features of your product, the ones you are touting to differentiate yourself from competitor, are not ready when you ship the product, that fits the definition of "Not Ready", or "Half-baked".

Adobe's inability to get their plugin ready for Android 3.0 is the strongest confirmation that Steve made the right decision to dump Flash. Just imagine how much longer would Adobe drag their feet if flash's future viability was NOT on the line here.
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I'm surprised a company would admit to their product being inadequate and needing changes in such a public way. At least they have the insight to know what needs improvement in their own design, but to put it out there like this just seems like the wrong thing to do.

It's like a Mom calling her own baby ugly...

Yeah it is surprising but they'll cover their base like they did with the sales numbers. Small, smooth, revised, redone, awesome!
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Or brings up Flash when the iPad will never have Flash enable. How did Flash all of a suddent become important?

Flash is important to several industries. For example, I'm in the homebuilding industry. Some of our sales nazis have iPads and will be out showing a home and if there is something that the customer wants to see in a different model, we have virtual tours available. Now these tours are hosted and made by a 3rd party company that works with several homebuilders, but linked through our site for our specific homes. Unfortunately, the sales staff can't show the virtual tours because they are made in Flash.

I don't need Flash personally on my iPhone most of the time, but there are times when it is necessary and I can't do it. Just not enough to be annoying.
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The Xoom hardware has nothing to do with Flash. Flash is a plugin that is not really yet for Honeycomb. That will be a simple updated from Adobe that will come from the Android market.

The Xoom hardware is really nice as is the OS the problem with many of these products and the reason Apple will outsell all of htem is the ecosystem and the lack of apps for the Tablets.

How can these things be really nice when they dont seem to have any balance on features or capabilities? The Xoom, like other devices, seems to focus too heavily on a single, simple feature while ignoring others.

For example, Apple could have increased the iPads display resolution without severally impacting battery life or GPU performance. They could have made it 180ppi so they can beat other 10 tablets in that area, but that would come at a much higher cost to them, devs and consumers since it would require a new SDK to make it look/work right or doing nothing which would save Apple some short term money but hurt them as a result of destroying their ecosystem.

With Honeycomb I see potential, but the same potential I see with most of Googles projects: unrefined and not going to make the average consumer fall in love with the experience. Its more like some week proof of concept at a middle school science fair (hyperbole ).

The problem with this for Google is that is actually helps Apple and those that want the iPad because they see these features that can and cant work and refine them more. I still havent seen anyone else make cut/copy/paste work as well as iOS even thought Apple was so late to this party. Why is that?

As for Flash, I just dont get it. How much time does Adobe need to get Flash working right? Its March 2011 and yet the original iPhone was vilified in January 2007 for not having Flash, which Adobe said back then would be easy for them to make if Apple would let them. So why dont they have this on the ready? Why arent they working closer with Android the way they are working with Chrome which has it integrated into the browser and OS?

Let me come at this last point from a different angle. Why is Flash already ready for evil and closed Mac OS X when they update it yet isnt ready for open Android OS system? Something just isnt jiving with Adobe and Android.
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Funny as hell supplier can not compete with the thing, which itself consists of supplier's own parts.

It could be because Apple has an exclusive agreement,where Samsung can't use the parts designed by Apple and/or Samsung doesn't supply all the parts for Apple, including some of the more expensive parts.

Besides, Motorola is the only Tablet that can compete with the iPad 2, simply because it has the ability to support 4G. Motorola either needs to look at massive improvements or bringing costs down.
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This goes to prove that the android tablet manufacturers don't innovate, but rather wait for apple to come out with their next product and try to modify theirs to be slightly ahead.

This is so very sad that other companies wait on Apple's keynotes before making their own products.

Frankly, their "me too" attitude really doesn't promote competition at all.

Yup.

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What makes me chuckle is when someone hasn't even used the other product and puts it down based on what someone else says.

Uh... the "someone else" in this instance was a Samsung executive. He 'puts down' his own product, and I'm taking him at his word.
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Samsung is headed back to the drawing board for its forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 to improve "inadequate" parts and reconsider pricing after Apple unveiled its iPad 2 this week.

Translation: We watched the keynote and then told our engineers "Make it like that!"

On another note the Xoomdroids are blathering about how the iPad2 is playing catch-up to their iPad killer (based on specs only, of course) which isn't even in wide distribution yet and Google has just released some code kit to help relieve the Android fragmentation situation. Add to that the 55 or so apps that Google used the kill switch on because they were infested with malware.

Yep, Apple is doomed alright. I'll take the walled garden any day and so will the mass market. Colleagues and friends tell me every day they are strongly condsidering moving to the iPad or Mac because of their excellent experience with the iPhone.
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It's good that Apple is lifting the bar for some of these developers.
This means improved products at better pricing for the consumers.

I thought it was all of this 'competition' that was supposed to be raising the bar for Apple!
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What makes me chuckle is when someone hasn't even used the other product and puts it down based on what someone else says. Or brings up Flash when the iPad will never have Flash enable. How did Flash all of a suddent become important?

The Xoom hardware has nothing to do with Flash. Flash is a plugin that is not really yet for Honeycomb. That will be a simple updated from Adobe that will come from the Android market.

The Xoom hardware is really nice as is the OS the problem with many of these products and the reason Apple will outsell all of htem is the ecosystem and the lack of apps for the Tablets.

how do you use flash with any interactivity on touch-based system? how do you reconcile the on(states). Touch is not the same as mouse/stylus input.

It is a GREAT thing Flash will NEVER be on the iPad. If you have seen it "run" on other mobile phones you can see why it should never be on an apple device. Flash was designed in a different era and will only be useful on desktops/laptops. It's pointless to have a multi-touch system for software that only designed around a single-input.

Why do you think even Adobe has abandoned the public fight with Apple? Cause it was a matter of time before flash developers (like myself) would question why Adobe is even trying to win this debate. Steve was being gracious when he discussed Flash on the iPad. The fact of matter remains, all flash programming designed around the 4 button on() states will never work with touch-enable systems. Flash needs a minimum of 3 states for button interaction and can only target one input, even though they can be pressed in rapid succession. With gestures, its completely different.

Adobe even gave up with Flash mobile 10.1, most people still do not have it, that can "use" it. How long did it take to ship? Almost 2 years and it is not even done well. Even the XOOM ships without flash. After the HUGE EFFING DEAL, all the android/tech users made about flash you would think ADOBE would have gotten their ducks in a row. There also is no getting around flash's bandwidth liability and it's security risk that can not be patched.
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It could be because Apple has an exclusive agreement,where Samsung can't use the parts designed by Apple and/or Samsung doesn't supply all the parts for Apple, including some of the more expensive parts.

Besides, Motorola is the only Tablet that can compete with the iPad 2, simply because it has the ability to support 4G. Motorola either needs to look at massive improvements or bringing costs down.


Samsung and others didn't have as much time to develop their pads, and even less time to work with their suppliers, that's why they can't get the parts in as high a quality and/or as low a price point.

4G is a non issue. Xoom doesn't have it, it's only available through a physical upgrade. And we would be lucky to have LTE coverning 20% of the country by the time iPad 3 comes out.
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What makes me chuckle is when someone ... brings up Flash when the iPad will never have Flash enable. How did Flash all of a suddent become important? ...

Stop being disingenuous, we know you aren't that stupid, and you ought to know by now that we aren't that stupid, either.

You know, I know, everyone knows, that the reason Motorola is being criticized/ridiculed for not being able to ship Flash on the Xoom is not because, Flash all of a sudden became important, nor even because the Xoom doesn't have Flash. It's because they touted it as a major feature and shipped without it. It would be as if Apple announced the IP4 with front and rear cameras touting FaceTime and then shipped without it: "Coming soon in an update." They would have rightly been the target of criticism and ridicule just as Motorola is rightly the target for this.

So, we all, including you, know that this is just BS, and you demean no one but yourself when you keep repeating it.
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That is sad as they are obviously coping instead of manufacturing their own vision. Motorola at least has a sense of what their hardware will be and is willing to launch with it. Android is Xooms biggest down fall but that is simply software. In the case of HP and RIM I have more respect for them even if they don't have product on the market yet. At least they have a vision that goes beyond Android.

In any event I really would like to know where they think the 10.1 comes up short. Thickness maybe? On a ten inch tablet I really don't see a tenth of an inch being a big deal. It can't be an issue with ports as iPad has very few. Maybe the issue is battery life. The comments are truely strange.
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Translation: We watched the keynote and then told our engineers "Make it like that!"

You might recall a moment in the film Galaxy Quest when the captain (Tim Allen) runs out of ideas to get his crew out of a tight spot. Then the engineering team explains an option to him. Obviously not understanding word one, Allen nods eagerly and says, "I know! Let's do THAT!".
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"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate"

Thats what she said.
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In order to be able to lower its prices, Samsung will have to replace certain parts by cheaper ones.
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It could be because Apple has an exclusive agreement,where Samsung can't use the parts designed by Apple and/or Samsung doesn't supply all the parts for Apple, including some of the more expensive parts.

Besides, Motorola is the only Tablet that can compete with the iPad 2, simply because it has the ability to support 4G. Motorola either needs to look at massive improvements or bringing costs down.

lol... mean talk about spinning the truth...

you do realize, you have to ship it back to motorola to get the "4G" to work right? The Xoom is not shipped with 4G. That is after you fork the 800 for not one native app...lol. So i guess you might be sitting around playing with the Honeycomy UI-ey. Yea! a custom lock screen! And exactly how fast is this "4G"? Is it 100 Mbit/s? or 10-15 Mbit/s? That's not even 3.5G, more like 3.15G man.

Which network supplies 100 Mbits/s? Until then the Xoom and Sprint are only 3G+
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Not really. It means all of these Android clones will race to the bottom and not make any money, and some will go out of business, or abandon it, just like in the PC market. Did that really create a lot of "improved products" in the PC arena at "better pricing"? NO - just a lot of cheap crappy ones.

These boards need a mod function...this needs a plus up. The PC junk production is exactly what these talentless hacks provide!

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When important features of your product, the ones you are touting to differentiate yourself from competitor, are not ready when you ship the product, that fits the definition of "Not Ready", or "Half-baked".

Adobe's inability to get their plugin ready for Android 3.0 is the strongest confirmation that Steve made the right decision to dump Flash. Just imagine how much longer would Adobe drag their feet if flash's future viability was NOT on the line here.

This one needs a plus up, too!
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"We will have to improve the parts that are inadequate," ..... "Apple made it very thin."

Good plan... should be ready by the time iPad 3 comes out!
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Flash really isn't on the line for anyone but Adobe.

Exactly! Flash's survival is nobody but Adobe's concern, and they should be working their butts off to make sure it doesn't sink into oblivion by getting it ready, available and working great on as many platform as possible. Yet they can't seem to get it working on one of the key platform that's open to their technology. To me, that shows they either have given up internally, or are technically inept, or both.

So why should Apple be slammed for giving up on a floundering technology, albeit a bit earlier than people would liked?
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Reasons for Samsung's failure were once explained on the AppleInsider board.

They --- reasons --- are well known for quite long now.


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What makes me chuckle is when someone hasn't even used the other product and puts it down based on what someone else says. Or brings up Flash when the iPad will never have Flash enable. How did Flash all of a suddent become important?

The Xoom hardware has nothing to do with Flash. Flash is a plugin that is not really yet for Honeycomb. That will be a simple updated from Adobe that will come from the Android market.

Except that the Xoom was promoted all along as having the ability to run flash.

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The Xoom hardware is really nice as is the OS the problem with many of these products and the reason Apple will outsell all of htem is the ecosystem and the lack of apps for the Tablets.

Not only the ecosystem but also the ease of use. Honeycomb seems to be venturing into the gap between iOS-like systems and full desktop (Only my perception, I haven't used it). There could be a market there for those who want/need a hybrid (I'm sort-of interested). I doubt the market is large enough for an ecosystem to develop that will give Apple any real competition.

I wonder how well those monitor-flippin Dells are selling. They deliver both worlds.
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What makes me chuckle is when someone hasn't even used the other product and puts it down based on what someone else says.

Should we refer to your comments about the the first gen iPad before it was released?
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Last year dozens of companies announced tablets at CES 2010, then saw Apple's iPad and threw them all in the trash and started over. It took a year to come of with something even close, and now at least one company already admits they totally missed the mark. It makes you wonder how many unannounced products also just got delayed as it seems at least some companies waited until after the iPad 2 announcement to announce anything to avoid this sort of embarrassment.

It would seem, too, that Apple's own chip development is giving them an advantage that will only grow over time. Nobody knew what the A5 would be until the iPad was announced. The dual core was expected, the 9x improvement in graphics performance had to catch people off guard. How is the competition supposed to predict what the A6 will bring. How are they supposed to individually bring the resources needed to each do their own custom designed chips each year.

This is a whole different ballgame than the mac battling the PC clones where any kid could slap together off the shelf parts and build an inexpensive PC clone. And where the majority of the market used pretty much the same chips, causing that volume to drive down costs.

This time around it's Apple who has the advantage in economies of scale. It's Apple who had 60% of the worlds displays. It's Apple who can invest billions of dollars to gain an edge. As a result, it's the competition who's having trouble keeping up with Apple's pricing as even collectively, they don't have the resources to push the technology that Apple does.
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Personally... It makes little practical sense that anyone would consider such a dubiously useful design feature as unnecessary thinness a point of 'inadequacy'.

There's little practical point in being overly concerned with a sub-9mm thickness on a device with as much surface area as a (near) 10 inch tablet computer (where's the balance?) - Other than bragging rights, and all that engineering effort would probably be better served keeping a near .5 inch profile and adding a larger battery, a more durable Gorilla glass screen, or more features.

It's all good and well that Apple is obsessed with 'thinness', but they've rode that claim into the ground at this point... the point of diminishing returns.
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From my point of view, a company garners at least a little bit of respect when they come out and say as Samsung has done, "we need to make it better". No, they maybe can not beat "it"... but yes, they have to work on making it better than it is.

This is not an all evident and logical step, see Adobe.

In Adobe's situation, they owe everybody an apology, and truth be told, probably most of all, the Android fans and Adobe Flash Developers. Because it is those fans and consumers, that actually and truthfully believed in them to make it work.

Apple has the knowledgeable engineers to KNOW Flash will NEVER work in the way and with the code-base that is Flash today. But it is the FANS and Adobe's software consumers that can only hang on to the now flimsy hyperbole that Adobe has regurgitated now... for 3+ YEARS!

SJ and Apple have taken a lot of flak for the absence of Flash on their devices, but they at least get to snicker when looking at their bottom-line profits. What about the devs (of which I am not one thankfully) that waited patiently, and even spent money AND lost credibility in front of their clients, for believing in Adobe.

At this point, Adobe should fess up, and even go so far as to kill the Flash code as we know it, and start over building a true HTML5 compliant IDE.

I must say I was hoping Apple would have already done this themselves by now. I suppose their attention to nit-picky details, and having too much on their plate for the last 3+ years has stopped them, or at least postponed that project.

Imagine a canvas editor with time-line... similar to iMovie... to make interfaces for dynamic content. Now THAT would be the Killer-App IMHO!
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