Apple's iPad 2 prompts Samsung to improve 'inadequate' parts of Galaxy Tab 10.1 - Page 5

Originally Posted by Muncie

Smooth.

Originally Posted by Apple ][

For somebody who thinks that the ipad is only a toy, you sure do seem to spend a lot time discussing that toy.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Can any of these Android Tablets AirPlay to GoogleTV?

Originally Posted by extremeskater

...Unlike many of you I like the iPad because it is a toy. Listen to music, play games, surf the net and watch videos. If I wanted to do something productive I have to use a MBP because the iPad simply does not support the software I use. Which is the case for most people.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more...

Originally Posted by felipur

All major manufacturers have access to roughly equivalent hardware at roughly equivalent pricing. A cortex A9 is going to be roughly the same as an A5 or a Tegra 2.

Originally Posted by spec1

Google, you should make your own HAREWARE too!

Originally Posted by spec1

But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each.

Google, just do it!!!

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

As for Flash, I just dont get it. How much time does Adobe need to get Flash working right? Its March 2011 and yet the original iPhone was vilified in January 2007 for not having Flash, which Adobe said back then would be easy for them to make if Apple would let them. So why dont they have this on the ready? Why arent they working closer with Android the way they are working with Chrome which has it integrated into the browser and OS?

Let me come at this last point from a different angle. Why is Flash already ready for evil and closed Mac OS X when they update it yet isnt ready for open Android OS system? Something just isnt jiving with Adobe and Android.

Originally Posted by Robodude

While I'd agree the pad is anything to anyone, his comment holds water. Just look at the top apps.

Originally Posted by spec1

ust want to put it out here, I am not a 'fanboy.' I actually believe that Android Honeycomb is a brilliant OS also. But, at the moment it still has plenty of kinks and bugs that has yet to be worked out and the UI needs a little more polish too. I believe that Google and their Android engineering team with Matias Duarte et al. will not disappoint over the next few months.

Google, think out of the box here, I know you do. But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each. Hire the industrial design team that you need. Use an OEM like Foxconn or similar (a la Apple.) There you have total control to fully optimize your HARDWARE & SOFTWARE (again, a la Apple, Inc) Forget about, It's not our model, It's not our focus. Google, you my friends, are leaving the bread, the turkey, the milk and eggs & we can't forget the veggies, ALL ON THE TABLE!!!!

Trust me, all of your current OEM partners (Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc.) will STILL remain on board. They have nothing right now, and are riding and dependent on your coattails. Apple, Inc. makes ONE! iPhone per year and have sold 100 MILLION UNITS plus, in the last 4 years! Look, Apple, Inc. (AAPL) & Research in Motion (RIMM) both fully control their Hardware & their Software and both have approximately 27% EACH of the smartphone market. You will still be the largest search/advertising vehicle in the world. Just add another revenue stream to your portfolio. Google, just do it! It helps make this technological space more interesting & fun for us all. I would buy a Google made and optimized product any day. Google, just do it!!!

Originally Posted by FreeRange

Not really. It means all of these Android clones will race to the bottom and not make any money, and some will go out of business, or abandon it, just like in the PC market. Did that really create a lot of "improved products" in the PC arena at "better pricing"? NO - just a lot of cheap crappy ones.

Originally Posted by macarena

I would not count on that. The unibody technology is a lot more than what you see in the videos. If Apple really machined the entire slab of Aluminium away to create the thin shell, their costs would be prohibitively high. They use a secret process to first create the basic shell from the slab, and then machine that basic shell to the finished shell.

The crucial part is in how they create the basic shell out - this is done without destroying the remaining part of the slab, so that other smaller components can be created out if the remaining slab. How do we know Apple does this? There is a video where Jon Ive shows how a slab of Aluminium creates an iMac case and two keyboards. If Apple used a destructive machining process how can they get two keyboard cases as well?

Just think of what is required here. If you have a block of wood that is 6x6x6 inches, and you want to cut out a 5x5x5 block from it, and be left with a 6x6x6 block having a 5x5x5 hole, how would you do it? It is this part of the unibody process that stops others from coming out with unibody design.

If it was just a simple machining process, there would be dozens of other companies that have unibody designs, right?

Believe me, Apple is not really exploiting the unibody texhnology fully - simply because they have more lucrative things to do. If they license unibody technology, just that will get them billions in revenues. This is a technology that can revolutionize several industries.

Originally Posted by macarena

I would not count on that. The unibody technology is a lot more than what you see in the videos. If Apple really machined the entire slab of Aluminium away to create the thin shell, their costs would be prohibitively high. They use a secret process to first create the basic shell from the slab, and then machine that basic shell to the finished shell.

The crucial part is in how they create the basic shell out - this is done without destroying the remaining part of the slab, so that other smaller components can be created out if the remaining slab. How do we know Apple does this? There is a video where Jon Ive shows how a slab of Aluminium creates an iMac case and two keyboards. If Apple used a destructive machining process how can they get two keyboard cases as well?

Just think of what is required here. If you have a block of wood that is 6x6x6 inches, and you want to cut out a 5x5x5 block from it, and be left with a 6x6x6 block having a 5x5x5 hole, how would you do it? It is this part of the unibody process that stops others from coming out with unibody design.

If it was just a simple machining process, there would be dozens of other companies that have unibody designs, right?

Believe me, Apple is not really exploiting the unibody texhnology fully - simply because they have more lucrative things to do. If they license unibody technology, just that will get them billions in revenues. This is a technology that can revolutionize several industries.

On your left are billets in font of the extrusion press and on your right a pile of ingots

Originally Posted by extremeskater

It is just a big iPod Touch. I still hold to that comment. Unlike many of you I like the iPad because it is a toy. Listen to music, play games, surf the net and watch videos. If I wanted to do something productive I have to use a MBP because the iPad simply does not support the software I use. Which is the case for most people.

Mouse I am the as honest as they get because unlike you I just don't walk around sucking Steve Jobs nut sack. You are a bias fanboy wuss which doesn't make you honest. Just because you love everything that Apple makes and bash everything else doesn't make you honest in fact it's quite the opposite.

People like you bash Google, Microsoft and everyone else when 99% of the time you haven't even touched their products or services. That doesn't make you honest. At least when I have something negative to say I make an effort to use the product first. My opinion of the iPad still stand its a toy.

Just because it has sold to millions doesn't mean its some great productivity device. If its such a great educational tool like Steve Jobs says then why doesn't it get an educational discount like all other Apple products that are seen as educational tools? Love to hear your answer on that one.

You are one of the most bias people on this forum it's beyond a joke for you to try and call anyone else out on being honest.

Originally Posted by DocNo42

Maybe because Google hasn't got the first clue about not only designing hardware but sourcing parts for it, assembling it, shipping it and then marketing and selling it?

Originally Posted by newbee

I'm sorry, his comments do not hold water ... unless he would qualify them by saying "to him, the ipad is a toy".

Secondly, just because the most popular selling apps are games, that does not turn the iPad into a toy. If my friends and I all bought electric 4 wheel scooters, like the ones that handicapped people need to get around on ...... but we used them to play polo with ..... does that turn them into a toy? Obviously not ..... it only makes them a toy to us. Can you not see the distinction? ..... Extremeskater keeps on saying that the iPad is a toy ..... because that's what he uses it for.

To put it simply .... Apple has designed a device that has a place in a lot of areas .... work, relaxation, entertainment and many others. To brush it off as just a "toy" shows a gross misunderstanding of what it is .... or a deliberately lame attempt to bring it down to the level where it's competitors might be closer to competing with it. But that's what trolls do, so I shouldn't be surprised by it. I guess I'm still waiting for his self-stated "honesty" to be reflected in his postings. Oh well, another time, perhaps.

Originally Posted by Robodude

You would have thought it was clear he was stating his own opinion - his whole paragraph was about his ownership of an iPad. There's no need for him to qualify anything, stop being so defensive. Your example with scooters is plenty off the mark too.

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more:



http://www.proloquo2go.com/About/article/ipad

Originally Posted by jimt

My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.

Originally Posted by Flaneur

I'm not going to quote you, T.SKILL, because I think you might want to reconsider, out of some sympathy for the loss of his daughter. And I will delete this if you revise or delete your post.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I'm curious and confused is all. It's hard to see something like that being posted without explanation. I wish to hear his testimony.

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

His comments across multiple threads about the device itself being a toy are quite clear. His usage patterns are just his anecdotal evidence of why its a toy, but he clearly stated that the iPad is, in itself, without question, nothing but a toy.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I'm curious and confused is all. It's hard to see something like that being posted without explanation. I wish to hear his testimony.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Waited a year and a quarter for an opportunity to post this downer comment?

Originally Posted by jimt

Sorry...didn't intend the comment to be such a downer. And, no, I didn't wait a year and a quarter for the opportunity. I waited 5 days.

My only intent was to point out that the iPad isn't just for fun and game. But, when she wasn't using the Proloque2go program, she loved to play her Fruit Ninja game

Again, my apologies

Originally Posted by jimt

My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.

Originally Posted by cnocbui

Apple may use state of the art production processes, but that doesn't mean they invented them.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I cite this as the biggest reason I want Google to enter the hardware business.

Originally Posted by DocNo42

To watch it sink them as a company?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

*sage nod*

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Dude really thats the best comeback you have? Maybe something with a bit more humor?

I mean really Shock Wave Flash. Yeah thats really high tech. Glad your mom finally got you that copy of CS5.

Originally Posted by Logisticaldron

Im sure certain people will post that Tab and other tablets are better because they have a slightly higher PPI, but note that PPI is only one metric for determining the readability of a display and usability of the entire device. I think the Tab only has a whooping 30 more PPI so its not exactly something youll notice (same goes for those saying the iPhone 4s display is the best solely because its 326ppi beats newer smartphones with 280ppi). Does the Galaxy Tab 10.1 even use an IPS panel or another more advanced panel type for improved viewing angles, color accuracy, or have a good backlight compared to the iPad?

These things may not seem important until you see how much better it is. Its like those that say they dont need a luxury car because their cheap car does the same basic job of getting them from point A to point B, except that Apples luxury product is cheaper than the other junkers trying to be pushed down our thoughts.

And then there is Android. I think Honeycomb is coming along nicely but its too open for developers and vendors and not open in the right way for consumers. They arent creating an ecosystem, theyre creating a cesspool.

Originally Posted by crift2012

how do you use flash with any interactivity on touch-based system? how do you reconcile the on(states). Touch is not the same as mouse/stylus input.

It is a GREAT thing Flash will NEVER be on the iPad. If you have seen it "run" on other mobile phones you can see why it should never be on an apple device. Flash was designed in a different era and will only be useful on desktops/laptops. It's pointless to have a multi-touch system for software that only designed around a single-input.

Why do you think even Adobe has abandoned the public fight with Apple? Cause it was a matter of time before flash developers (like myself) would question why Adobe is even trying to win this debate. Steve was being gracious when he discussed Flash on the iPad. The fact of matter remains, all flash programming designed around the 4 button on() states will never work with touch-enable systems. Flash needs a minimum of 3 states for button interaction and can only target one input, even though they can be pressed in rapid succession. With gestures, its completely different.

Adobe even gave up with Flash mobile 10.1, most people still do not have it, that can "use" it. How long did it take to ship? Almost 2 years and it is not even done well. Even the XOOM ships without flash. After the HUGE EFFING DEAL, all the android/tech users made about flash you would think ADOBE would have gotten their ducks in a row. There also is no getting around flash's bandwidth liability and it's security risk that can not be patched.