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Smooth.

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For somebody who thinks that the ipad is only a toy, you sure do seem to spend a lot time discussing that toy.

I think it comes back to that word.. what was it? Oh yeah - flummoxed!
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I want this new iPad 2. This thing is just fantastic, amazing. I understand it is not a huge upgrade for the original first adapters. But, I waited, so for me this is great. The polish of the UI and the hardware combined, just puts this product head and shoulders above all others. Apple understands that most customers want ease of use, simplicity & great industrial designed products.

This fight with the iPad 2, and the original iPad for that matter of fact, has not even started, and Apple is, hands down the winner here (industrial design, polish UI, echo-system, just to name a few.)

Samsung is now backing up with their tail between their legs, scrambling to put a new face on its ugly ducking Tab 10.1 that it has not even released yet, in order to attempt to better compete with Apple. I thought the Samsung Tab 10.1 looked absolutely atrocious with the big Samsung circle on the back along with all that plastic. Just inferior! It did not seem or look like choice, top notch materials. Samsung, you should be able to do way better! I think you should listen to your mobile customers more! Samsung's insides are typically always on the cutting edge, but they need a totally new industrial design team on board.

Jony Ive rules! No manufacturers design team even comes close to Apple's Ive and his team.
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Can any of these Android Tablets AirPlay to GoogleTV?


There is a TV commercial playing recently for an HTC phone that demonstrates an AirPlay-like function in the very last scene, although without any specifics. I thought it was unusual and wondered the same thing you asked.

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...Unlike many of you I like the iPad because it is a toy. Listen to music, play games, surf the net and watch videos. If I wanted to do something productive I have to use a MBP because the iPad simply does not support the software I use. Which is the case for most people.

For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more:



http://www.proloquo2go.com/About/article/ipad
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post #166 of 206
Shameful. Why is only one company coming up with all the ideas?

Funny enough, the only company coming close to what Apple has done with the iPad is HP.
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For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more...

While I'd agree the pad is anything to anyone, his comment holds water. Just look at the top apps.
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All major manufacturers have access to roughly equivalent hardware at roughly equivalent pricing. A cortex A9 is going to be roughly the same as an A5 or a Tegra 2.

Be careful in being so superficial. The A4 and A5 are just as significant for what they don't have for as much as they do have. This is where size, weight and battery life really start to become significant.
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ust want to put it out here, I am not a 'fanboy.' I actually believe that Android Honeycomb is a brilliant OS also. But, at the moment it still has plenty of kinks and bugs that has yet to be worked out and the UI needs a little more polish too. I believe that Google and their Android engineering team with Matias Duarte et al. will not disappoint over the next few months.

Google, think out of the box here, I know you do. But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each. Hire the industrial design team that you need. Use an OEM like Foxconn or similar (a la Apple.) There you have total control to fully optimize your HARDWARE & SOFTWARE (again, a la Apple, Inc) Forget about, It's not our model, It's not our focus. Google, you my friends, are leaving the bread, the turkey, the milk and eggs & we can't forget the veggies, ALL ON THE TABLE!!!!

Trust me, all of your current OEM partners (Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc.) will STILL remain on board. They have nothing right now, and are riding and dependent on your coattails. Apple, Inc. makes ONE! iPhone per year and have sold 100 MILLION UNITS plus, in the last 4 years! Look, Apple, Inc. (AAPL) & Research in Motion (RIMM) both fully control their Hardware & their Software and both have approximately 27% EACH of the smartphone market. You will still be the largest search/advertising vehicle in the world. Just add another revenue stream to your portfolio. Google, just do it! It helps make this technological space more interesting & fun for us all. I would buy a Google made and optimized product any day. Google, just do it!!!
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Google, you should make your own HAREWARE too!

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But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each.

Maybe because Google hasn't got the first clue about not only designing hardware but sourcing parts for it, assembling it, shipping it and then marketing and selling it?

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Google, just do it!!!

Just because Apple makes it look easy doesn't mean that it is.

Microsoft "just did it" with the Zune. That worked fabulously for them
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

As for Flash, I just dont get it. How much time does Adobe need to get Flash working right? Its March 2011 and yet the original iPhone was vilified in January 2007 for not having Flash, which Adobe said back then would be easy for them to make if Apple would let them. So why dont they have this on the ready? Why arent they working closer with Android the way they are working with Chrome which has it integrated into the browser and OS?

Let me come at this last point from a different angle. Why is Flash already ready for evil and closed Mac OS X when they update it yet isnt ready for open Android OS system? Something just isnt jiving with Adobe and Android.

I'll take this one step further. If Adobe's position is that Flash is so great on a mobile platform, that it's an easy port, and that evil Apple won't 'let them', then why don't they put their money where their mouth is?

What's stopping them from running Flash on a jailbroken iPod, iPhone, or iPad? C'mon, Adobe: show the world that the performance doesn't suck, that Flash doesn't destabilize the platform, that the UI is useable, and that the battery life doesn't go down the tubes. Do the demo at one of the big shows, in front of the press, and fill YouTube with a bunch of videos proving the point.

Yeah, there's something funny going on. I suspect mobile Flash isn't happening... because they can't do it.
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While I'd agree the pad is anything to anyone, his comment holds water. Just look at the top apps.

I'm sorry, his comments do not hold water ... unless he would qualify them by saying "to him, the ipad is a toy".

Secondly, just because the most popular selling apps are games, that does not turn the iPad into a toy. If my friends and I all bought electric 4 wheel scooters, like the ones that handicapped people need to get around on ...... but we used them to play polo with ..... does that turn them into a toy? Obviously not ..... it only makes them a toy to us. Can you not see the distinction? ..... Extremeskater keeps on saying that the iPad is a toy ..... because that's what he uses it for.

To put it simply .... Apple has designed a device that has a place in a lot of areas .... work, relaxation, entertainment and many others. To brush it off as just a "toy" shows a gross misunderstanding of what it is .... or a deliberately lame attempt to bring it down to the level where it's competitors might be closer to competing with it. But that's what trolls do, so I shouldn't be surprised by it. I guess I'm still waiting for his self-stated "honesty" to be reflected in his postings. Oh well, another time, perhaps.
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ust want to put it out here, I am not a 'fanboy.' I actually believe that Android Honeycomb is a brilliant OS also. But, at the moment it still has plenty of kinks and bugs that has yet to be worked out and the UI needs a little more polish too. I believe that Google and their Android engineering team with Matias Duarte et al. will not disappoint over the next few months.

Google, think out of the box here, I know you do. But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each. Hire the industrial design team that you need. Use an OEM like Foxconn or similar (a la Apple.) There you have total control to fully optimize your HARDWARE & SOFTWARE (again, a la Apple, Inc) Forget about, It's not our model, It's not our focus. Google, you my friends, are leaving the bread, the turkey, the milk and eggs & we can't forget the veggies, ALL ON THE TABLE!!!!

Trust me, all of your current OEM partners (Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc.) will STILL remain on board. They have nothing right now, and are riding and dependent on your coattails. Apple, Inc. makes ONE! iPhone per year and have sold 100 MILLION UNITS plus, in the last 4 years! Look, Apple, Inc. (AAPL) & Research in Motion (RIMM) both fully control their Hardware & their Software and both have approximately 27% EACH of the smartphone market. You will still be the largest search/advertising vehicle in the world. Just add another revenue stream to your portfolio. Google, just do it! It helps make this technological space more interesting & fun for us all. I would buy a Google made and optimized product any day. Google, just do it!!!

Hardy-har-har-har!

Apple grasps the simple fact that design is the key in the tablet (and mobile) space. Expecting Google to grasp anything about design is like expecting a flatworm to learn to play the guitar!

Have you ever used Google on a computer? You can feel the (lack of) design of their webpage sucking the juice out of your eyeballs. Using a Google tablet would be like sitting in Hell's waiting room reading a 50-year-old magazine!

Google, forsooth!
post #175 of 206
The funniest thing about these "iPad is a toy" comments is that there is probably no other technology device that has been so rapidly accepted by enterprise.

Much of the growth of the iPad over the next several years will be from corporate buyers, governments, schools, etc. Watch for an astounding number of graduate schools this fall issuing iPads to incoming students.

This is pretty much a no-brainer in the financial services sector. There are two or three medical applications that need to be optimized for the iPad, but when they are available, you will see massive adoption by the health services industry. There are already doctors clamoring their IT departments to hook up their personal devices to their hospital IT infrastructure. Doctors tend to be IT technophobes, so this activity is highly unusual.

Government will eventually figure this out as well. There is a huge amount of money/time/resources spent in paper document distribution. Everything is digitized anyhow and filed into document retrieval systems. Better to push out electronic docs rather than fire up the copy center for two days so the courier service can drive around town dropping off piles of paper.
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Not really. It means all of these Android clones will race to the bottom and not make any money, and some will go out of business, or abandon it, just like in the PC market. Did that really create a lot of "improved products" in the PC arena at "better pricing"? NO - just a lot of cheap crappy ones.

Regardless of what Apple does many android clones will be in a race to the bottom.

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I would not count on that. The unibody technology is a lot more than what you see in the videos. If Apple really machined the entire slab of Aluminium away to create the thin shell, their costs would be prohibitively high. They use a secret process to first create the basic shell from the slab, and then machine that basic shell to the finished shell.

The crucial part is in how they create the basic shell out - this is done without destroying the remaining part of the slab, so that other smaller components can be created out if the remaining slab. How do we know Apple does this? There is a video where Jon Ive shows how a slab of Aluminium creates an iMac case and two keyboards. If Apple used a destructive machining process how can they get two keyboard cases as well?

Just think of what is required here. If you have a block of wood that is 6x6x6 inches, and you want to cut out a 5x5x5 block from it, and be left with a 6x6x6 block having a 5x5x5 hole, how would you do it? It is this part of the unibody process that stops others from coming out with unibody design.

If it was just a simple machining process, there would be dozens of other companies that have unibody designs, right?

Believe me, Apple is not really exploiting the unibody texhnology fully - simply because they have more lucrative things to do. If they license unibody technology, just that will get them billions in revenues. This is a technology that can revolutionize several industries.

Good post always thought that the videos where not right. . They must be using every single piece that gets cut out into several products.
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I would not count on that. The unibody technology is a lot more than what you see in the videos. If Apple really machined the entire slab of Aluminium away to create the thin shell, their costs would be prohibitively high. They use a secret process to first create the basic shell from the slab, and then machine that basic shell to the finished shell.

The crucial part is in how they create the basic shell out - this is done without destroying the remaining part of the slab, so that other smaller components can be created out if the remaining slab. How do we know Apple does this? There is a video where Jon Ive shows how a slab of Aluminium creates an iMac case and two keyboards. If Apple used a destructive machining process how can they get two keyboard cases as well?

Just think of what is required here. If you have a block of wood that is 6x6x6 inches, and you want to cut out a 5x5x5 block from it, and be left with a 6x6x6 block having a 5x5x5 hole, how would you do it? It is this part of the unibody process that stops others from coming out with unibody design.

If it was just a simple machining process, there would be dozens of other companies that have unibody designs, right?

Believe me, Apple is not really exploiting the unibody texhnology fully - simply because they have more lucrative things to do. If they license unibody technology, just that will get them billions in revenues. This is a technology that can revolutionize several industries.

What is it with Apple sycophants? Are you all brainwashed in some giant Apple secret facility somewhere or do just visit the genius bar and the guy smiles and says "just hold still for a second, this wont hurt" and then shoves a an ultrasonic ablater up a nostril and proceeds to liquify the parts of the brain required for independent thought and critical thinking?

'Secret process' !!!!! I wonder if that might involve something like pre forming using an extrusion press? From comments by some machinists discussing the subject:

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On your left are billets in font of the extrusion press and on your right a pile of ingots

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...rocess-166892/

The whole process described: http://www.manufacturelink.com.au/ne...g-process.aspx

I have an original unibody Macbook, it is very well made and I admire the engineering that went in to it, but I am not going to start genuflecting towards Cuppertino and assume it was made with Alien tech that leaked from Area 51.

Apple may use state of the art production processes, but that doesn't mean they invented them.

I swear if Apple were to make an electric car there would be posters on here jumping up and down declaring Apple invented the wheel and the battery.
post #179 of 206
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It is just a big iPod Touch. I still hold to that comment. Unlike many of you I like the iPad because it is a toy. Listen to music, play games, surf the net and watch videos. If I wanted to do something productive I have to use a MBP because the iPad simply does not support the software I use. Which is the case for most people.

Mouse I am the as honest as they get because unlike you I just don't walk around sucking Steve Jobs nut sack. You are a bias fanboy wuss which doesn't make you honest. Just because you love everything that Apple makes and bash everything else doesn't make you honest in fact it's quite the opposite.

People like you bash Google, Microsoft and everyone else when 99% of the time you haven't even touched their products or services. That doesn't make you honest. At least when I have something negative to say I make an effort to use the product first. My opinion of the iPad still stand its a toy.

Just because it has sold to millions doesn't mean its some great productivity device. If its such a great educational tool like Steve Jobs says then why doesn't it get an educational discount like all other Apple products that are seen as educational tools? Love to hear your answer on that one.

You are one of the most bias people on this forum it's beyond a joke for you to try and call anyone else out on being honest.

Whats your definition of productive ?
To a child, painting on an iPad is amazingly creative and productive.
Being productive ? Can mean lots of things, being more productive at work for example, or simply creating something where there wasn't anything there before, creating something.
People like you always mention that its a toy and a consumption device, do you honestly believe that ? Have you NEVER created anything on your iPad ? I bet you have. To say you can do certain things on a laptop/desktop that you can't do on a iPad, does not mean the iPad is diminished in anyway, it simply implies that the others are more powerful and designed to be used in that way.
You really need to step back and reconsider your views, as they appear to be from someone who has issues that are impacting their ability to think straight.
Lets look at it in another light, my child runs the app for the Solar System, gets thrilled, and talks about this at school, does a hand-written project. Have they been creative ? Yes, the project was not created on the iPad (although it can be very easily, but I want to highlight the fact that it wasn't). I ask again, has that person been creative (i.e. productive).
See if you start looking at things in a different light, a whole new world opens up to you.
If you watched the iPad 2 presentation, at the end Steve Jobs explains that technology in itself is not enough. This cannot be any truer, just imagine how boring and grey our lives would be if it was. Technology is simply the vehicle that allows us to reach to our full potentials.
Missing out on doing your Excel on the iPad is not the end of the world.
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Maybe because Google hasn't got the first clue about not only designing hardware but sourcing parts for it, assembling it, shipping it and then marketing and selling it?

I cite this as the biggest reason I want Google to enter the hardware business.

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I'm sorry, his comments do not hold water ... unless he would qualify them by saying "to him, the ipad is a toy".

Secondly, just because the most popular selling apps are games, that does not turn the iPad into a toy. If my friends and I all bought electric 4 wheel scooters, like the ones that handicapped people need to get around on ...... but we used them to play polo with ..... does that turn them into a toy? Obviously not ..... it only makes them a toy to us. Can you not see the distinction? ..... Extremeskater keeps on saying that the iPad is a toy ..... because that's what he uses it for.

To put it simply .... Apple has designed a device that has a place in a lot of areas .... work, relaxation, entertainment and many others. To brush it off as just a "toy" shows a gross misunderstanding of what it is .... or a deliberately lame attempt to bring it down to the level where it's competitors might be closer to competing with it. But that's what trolls do, so I shouldn't be surprised by it. I guess I'm still waiting for his self-stated "honesty" to be reflected in his postings. Oh well, another time, perhaps.

You would have thought it was clear he was stating his own opinion - his whole paragraph was about his ownership of an iPad. There's no need for him to qualify anything, stop being so defensive. Your example with scooters is plenty off the mark too.
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You would have thought it was clear he was stating his own opinion - his whole paragraph was about his ownership of an iPad. There's no need for him to qualify anything, stop being so defensive. Your example with scooters is plenty off the mark too.

His comments across multiple threads about the device itself being a toy are quite clear. His usage patterns are just his anecdotal evidence of why its a toy, but he clearly stated that the iPad is, in itself, without question, nothing but a toy.
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For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more:



http://www.proloquo2go.com/About/article/ipad

My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.
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My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.

Waited a year and a quarter for an opportunity to post this downer comment?

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I'm not going to quote you, T.SKILL, because I think you might want to reconsider, out of some sympathy for the loss of his daughter. And I will delete this if you revise or delete your post.

Anyway, the point that Dick Appelbaum and jimt are making is much more interesting than your take on what he said. The handheld, big-screen, keyboardless computer is a serious amplification of our ability to understand and communicate. This ain't playing with toys or consuming content.
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I'm not going to quote you, T.SKILL, because I think you might want to reconsider, out of some sympathy for the loss of his daughter. And I will delete this if you revise or delete your post.

I'm curious and confused is all. It's hard to see something like that being posted without explanation. I wish to hear his testimony.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I'm curious and confused is all. It's hard to see something like that being posted without explanation. I wish to hear his testimony.

Testimony? Youre confused?
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

His comments across multiple threads about the device itself being a toy are quite clear. His usage patterns are just his anecdotal evidence of why its a toy, but he clearly stated that the iPad is, in itself, without question, nothing but a toy.

Thank you.
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I'm curious and confused is all. It's hard to see something like that being posted without explanation. I wish to hear his testimony.

I think you're suffering some boundary issues. Your comments are inappropriate.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Waited a year and a quarter for an opportunity to post this downer comment?

Sorry...didn't intend the comment to be such a downer. And, no, I didn't wait a year and a quarter for the opportunity. I waited 5 days.

My only intent was to point out that the iPad isn't just for fun and game. But, when she wasn't using the Proloque2go program, she loved to play her Fruit Ninja game

Again, my apologies
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Sorry...didn't intend the comment to be such a downer. And, no, I didn't wait a year and a quarter for the opportunity. I waited 5 days.

My only intent was to point out that the iPad isn't just for fun and game. But, when she wasn't using the Proloque2go program, she loved to play her Fruit Ninja game

Again, my apologies

Sorry for your loss. You and your family have my deepest sympathies. God bless.
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post #192 of 206
It's unlikely that I'll buy another iPad after my experience with iPad 1.0. However I'm happy that iPad 1.5 will pressurize Android tablet manufacturers to drop the prices. The iPad at $400 is too expensive for what it does. But if I can get wifi Android devices with Honeycomb for around $350-$400, it will be worth the money. At the moment the Nook Color (barely a tablet) and the Notion Ink Adam are the only two tablets that provide value for money. The Samsung Tab and Xoom provide even less value for money than the iPad.
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My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.

Sorry for your loss -- she is in a better place.

We, as a family, bought this app to help support the company that builds apps for the disadvantaged -- we have no personal use, but the app impresses everyone who sees it.

It is amazing to sit a (non-disadvantaged) young child (or adult) down with the app and tell them that they lost their voice and must use the app to communicate.

It really changes your POV and appreciation for the basic ability to communicate.


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For those who would try to understand, here are three movies -- if you watch them, you'll never forget them:

Black (2005)

Children of a Lesser God (1986)

Temple Grandin (TV 2010)

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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Apple may use state of the art production processes, but that doesn't mean they invented them.

They may not invent allot of things, but they make them practical and in a form that has mass appeal.

Inventing is one thing. Delivering something that is useable and has mass appeal is an entirely different thing. Judging by their financial stats, the mass appeal thing is pretty flipping important.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I cite this as the biggest reason I want Google to enter the hardware business.

To watch it sink them as a company?
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To watch it sink them as a company?

*sage nod*

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*sage nod*

I don't think that even Google is that stupid.

Perhaps if Oracle hadn't bought Sun they might have had the hubris to try.. but I think now Google suspects that Android has a 50% chance at being a total loss. I think they honestly thought they were going to take over with Chrome OS based netbooks and therefore didn't really take Android, Sun patent threats or tablets too seriously.

I wonder now if Steve didn't let Eric see the iPhone while holding the iPad back. Steve admits they started with the iPad first, but released the iPhone first.

I think these past three years will go down as the most significant in the personal electronics industry. It's clear Apple has a master plan and is executing against it superbly. It's almost as if they had an embarrassing defeat in a similar platform war and had a few years to plan how not to screw the "next big thing" up
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Dude really thats the best comeback you have? Maybe something with a bit more humor?

I mean really Shock Wave Flash. Yeah thats really high tech. Glad your mom finally got you that copy of CS5.

what the hell do you think a flash file is man? interactive flash files are .swfs.

There is no humor associated with my answer, it's the truth which you refuse to acknowledge. You can use flash buttons with touch-based systems.

Since you can not answer my question without sarcasm and ignoring what I have said means you really are a troll and you have no informed answers.

Fandroids are screaming that flash 10.1 works on mobile devices. Yea that is true in theory, but there is zero interactivity functionality when you are dealing touch-based systems.
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Originally Posted by Logisticaldron View Post

Im sure certain people will post that Tab and other tablets are better because they have a slightly higher PPI, but note that PPI is only one metric for determining the readability of a display and usability of the entire device. I think the Tab only has a whooping 30 more PPI so its not exactly something youll notice (same goes for those saying the iPhone 4s display is the best solely because its 326ppi beats newer smartphones with 280ppi). Does the Galaxy Tab 10.1 even use an IPS panel or another more advanced panel type for improved viewing angles, color accuracy, or have a good backlight compared to the iPad?

These things may not seem important until you see how much better it is. Its like those that say they dont need a luxury car because their cheap car does the same basic job of getting them from point A to point B, except that Apples luxury product is cheaper than the other junkers trying to be pushed down our thoughts.

And then there is Android. I think Honeycomb is coming along nicely but its too open for developers and vendors and not open in the right way for consumers. They arent creating an ecosystem, theyre creating a cesspool.

Check this situation out: This is flat out scary... and devestating to the android community.

"Malware on Android Market ★
Aaron Gingrich, for Android Police:
Openness the very characteristic of Android that makes us love it is a double-edged sword. Redditor lompolo has stumbled upon a perfect example of that fact; hes noticed that a publisher has taken 21 popular free apps from the market, injected root exploits into them and republished. The really scary part? 50k-200k downloads combined in 4 days.
Uh-oh:
Theres another APK hidden inside the code, and it steals nearly everything it can: product ID, model, partner (provider?), language, country, and userID. But thats all childs play; the true pièce de résistance is that it has the ability to download more code. In other words, theres no way to know what the app does after its installed, and the possibilities are nearly endless."
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Originally Posted by crift2012 View Post

how do you use flash with any interactivity on touch-based system? how do you reconcile the on(states). Touch is not the same as mouse/stylus input.

It is a GREAT thing Flash will NEVER be on the iPad. If you have seen it "run" on other mobile phones you can see why it should never be on an apple device. Flash was designed in a different era and will only be useful on desktops/laptops. It's pointless to have a multi-touch system for software that only designed around a single-input.

Why do you think even Adobe has abandoned the public fight with Apple? Cause it was a matter of time before flash developers (like myself) would question why Adobe is even trying to win this debate. Steve was being gracious when he discussed Flash on the iPad. The fact of matter remains, all flash programming designed around the 4 button on() states will never work with touch-enable systems. Flash needs a minimum of 3 states for button interaction and can only target one input, even though they can be pressed in rapid succession. With gestures, its completely different.

Adobe even gave up with Flash mobile 10.1, most people still do not have it, that can "use" it. How long did it take to ship? Almost 2 years and it is not even done well. Even the XOOM ships without flash. After the HUGE EFFING DEAL, all the android/tech users made about flash you would think ADOBE would have gotten their ducks in a row. There also is no getting around flash's bandwidth liability and it's security risk that can not be patched.

Adding to your excellent description of the Flash issues ... I noted that it is a battery hog as well ... instead of 10 hours of delightful use, maybe 1-2 hours. Same for 4G. Phone users are finding it also is a power hog... maybe a couple of hours of usage, then dead. Multitasking is another area that is a power hog, but I don't know the details.

The bottom line is if you want a long battery life so you can get something done, or enjoy reading, watching movies, or having fun making a home movie with the new iMOVIE app, then stick with a proven system. It is in the experience, not the specs. My dear wife could care less about customizing the look and feel ... in fact she wouldn't even think it was necessary.
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