Apple's iPad 2 prompts Samsung to improve 'inadequate' parts of Galaxy Tab 10.1 - Page 5

perhaps lost in the quibbling over the sell through rate of the galaxy tab is the return rate. Wasn't there a report that the return rate was pretty high?

So 4 were returned.

DaHarder has the other 9.

hehe - Jobs thinks about as much of their "clarification" as I do.

Oh no - you have it all wrong - it's Apple that needs the competition from everyone else to drive innovation and keep costs low!

What most of the tablet wannabees do not understand is content/apps drives tablet sales. Not specs. Most main stream consummers just look at the screen and want to see the user experince, not what the specs are. That was What Steve Jobs said is that the other tablet wannabees do not understand the market. When HD TV first came out, you saw a great picture but it was hookup to a hard drive in the stores. When you asked what you could watch on the HD TV you would get a blank look. When content was avialable for the HD TVs then sales picketup. Content/Apps/Internet/games are what is going to drive sales when the products are close to each other in specs. When they are not close in specs/price than it's a slam dunk. Apple is developing a complete eco system not just a tablet. Apple is creating content for their tablet. You can have the best specs in the would but if you do not have content, then it's just a high price paper weight.

You gotta love Conan.
I'll tell you what I thought was a very interesting comment .... coming from Engadget's liveblog: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/l...-ipad-2-event/

(after viewing the iPad video)

10:16AM iPads are being used to work with Autistic children. This is pretty cool. "We're not curing Autism, but it's helping."

10:14AM Chicago schools... using the iPad, seeing huge gains.

10:17AM Steve is back.

10:17AM Phil: This is just the beginning.

10:17AM Damn you Apple for making everyone here cry about the iPad.

10:17AM Man this is actually really emotional...

"magical" device at work. (my comment)

Of course, it could be said that the Samsung quote from this morning re: the Galaxy Tab are making a lot of people cry as well ..... but that's a different story.

Yup, Apple tried to beat Xoom and failed miserably. Inferior hardware and iOS which is a full generation behind Honeycomb, which was specifically designed for tablets - things do no look good for iPad 2.

Watch out... there are quite a few people on here who will take this seriously and miss the sarcasm entirely...

100 points to you anonymouse! But why do you bother to respond to extremes post. I believe he is just being provokative to get attention. I Observed this on this forum, that people with the wierdest opignions get the most replies. So I guess he is just trying to get recognized. Some how I feel sorry for all the effort people put into response posts to this kind of guys. Just my humble opignon.

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Ha!

You know is's over -- the "suits" finally get the iPad!







The Spawn of iPad 2

Your thinking of the Blackberry/Windows Mobile days...

Two things:

1) Erica Sadun has an excellent article:

Deciding on a tablet by comparing specs? You've missed the point

2) A question:

Can any of these Android Tablets AirPlay to GoogleTV?

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The key redesign issue for Samsung appears to be the pricing model.

For years Apple was derided for "expensive" hardware. Anyone who did a thorough comparison found Apple was very competitive for what it sold. But what it sold was often higher end than what a particular user might need. So one could always use a smaller hard drive, a CD instead of a DVD burner, a big boxy case, less memory, skip the firewire, build it yourself, and the result was a cheaper box (with lower specs). So while Apple often has the best price/value. it is always being undercut by cheaper hardware (with lower value).

In the tablet space, Apple is in the position of defining what the baseline performance/feature set for a tablet is. This leaves competitors unable to undercut Apple by marketing significantly cheaper hardware with lower specs as they did in the PC space.

All major manufacturers have access to roughly equivalent hardware at roughly equivalent pricing. A cortex A9 is going to be roughly the same as an A5 or a Tegra 2. Apple might get better volume pricing on some items but it's not going to be so significant that HP or Samsung can't compete. At any point in time, many companies can build roughly equivalent hardware at roughly equivalent costs. Given equivalent hardware, Apple is going to compete on build quality, software ecosystem, marketing, retailing, etc. These are all areas, Apple excels at.

Alternatively, competitors can compete by adding features to get hardware differentiation. However, extra features cost so companies like Samsung are going to have to either lower quality somewhere else or argue for better features plus higher price as a better value.

It didn't work very well for Apple in the PC space. I think Samsung is coming to the conclusion that it isn't going to work well in the tablet space.

Thanks Dick Applebaum. Much better than my little scribble

I hope you are not paying this 3rd party company for something that your field sales people cannot use. It seems like the iPad is here to stay, and it will never have Flash. Either tell them not to use Flash, or find another company to create your virtual tours. I assume you would not pay for hammers that cannot be used on your construction sites. Why pay for technology services that cannot be used?

Yes:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20030211-37.html

Samsung said the % was much lower, less than 2%, BUT that could be explained as 2% of all Tabs sent to retailers were returned... even though many of those were never sold in the first place. The higher %, then, could be the % of returns among Tabs actually SOLD. In other words, Samsung tossed a bunch of unsold Tabs (which naturally have a 0% return rate) into the calculation to make their return rate look low. Thats one explanation, anyway. Samsung must be playing SOME funny math games, or else the Tab has higher user satisfaction than the iPad. I think we can safely reject that

Don't know if they still do it... Back in early days they would make spoofs like this:

Blue Busters

first laugh out loud post of the thread

I think it comes back to that word.. what was it? Oh yeah - flummoxed!

I want this new iPad 2. This thing is just fantastic, amazing. I understand it is not a huge upgrade for the original first adapters. But, I waited, so for me this is great. The polish of the UI and the hardware combined, just puts this product head and shoulders above all others. Apple understands that most customers want ease of use, simplicity & great industrial designed products.

This fight with the iPad 2, and the original iPad for that matter of fact, has not even started, and Apple is, hands down the winner here (industrial design, polish UI, echo-system, just to name a few.)

Samsung is now backing up with their tail between their legs, scrambling to put a new face on its ugly ducking Tab 10.1 that it has not even released yet, in order to attempt to better compete with Apple. I thought the Samsung Tab 10.1 looked absolutely atrocious with the big Samsung circle on the back along with all that plastic. Just inferior! It did not seem or look like choice, top notch materials. Samsung, you should be able to do way better! I think you should listen to your mobile customers more! Samsung's insides are typically always on the cutting edge, but they need a totally new industrial design team on board.

Jony Ive rules! No manufacturers design team even comes close to Apple's Ive and his team.

There is a TV commercial playing recently for an HTC phone that demonstrates an AirPlay-like function in the very last scene, although without any specifics. I thought it was unusual and wondered the same thing you asked.

For some people it is more than a toy -- it is the gateway to communication, and much, much more:



http://www.proloquo2go.com/About/article/ipad

Shameful. Why is only one company coming up with all the ideas?

Funny enough, the only company coming close to what Apple has done with the iPad is HP.

While I'd agree the pad is anything to anyone, his comment holds water. Just look at the top apps.

Be careful in being so superficial. The A4 and A5 are just as significant for what they don't have for as much as they do have. This is where size, weight and battery life really start to become significant.

ust want to put it out here, I am not a 'fanboy.' I actually believe that Android Honeycomb is a brilliant OS also. But, at the moment it still has plenty of kinks and bugs that has yet to be worked out and the UI needs a little more polish too. I believe that Google and their Android engineering team with Matias Duarte et al. will not disappoint over the next few months.

Google, think out of the box here, I know you do. But, why don't you actually design and build your OWN Android Tablet(s) and mobile Smartphone(s) from ground on up, start to finish. You only need one or two models of each. Hire the industrial design team that you need. Use an OEM like Foxconn or similar (a la Apple.) There you have total control to fully optimize your HARDWARE & SOFTWARE (again, a la Apple, Inc) Forget about, It's not our model, It's not our focus. Google, you my friends, are leaving the bread, the turkey, the milk and eggs & we can't forget the veggies, ALL ON THE TABLE!!!!

Trust me, all of your current OEM partners (Samsung, HTC, Motorola etc.) will STILL remain on board. They have nothing right now, and are riding and dependent on your coattails. Apple, Inc. makes ONE! iPhone per year and have sold 100 MILLION UNITS plus, in the last 4 years! Look, Apple, Inc. (AAPL) & Research in Motion (RIMM) both fully control their Hardware & their Software and both have approximately 27% EACH of the smartphone market. You will still be the largest search/advertising vehicle in the world. Just add another revenue stream to your portfolio. Google, just do it! It helps make this technological space more interesting & fun for us all. I would buy a Google made and optimized product any day. Google, just do it!!!

Maybe because Google hasn't got the first clue about not only designing hardware but sourcing parts for it, assembling it, shipping it and then marketing and selling it?


Just because Apple makes it look easy doesn't mean that it is.

Microsoft "just did it" with the Zune. That worked fabulously for them

I'll take this one step further. If Adobe's position is that Flash is so great on a mobile platform, that it's an easy port, and that evil Apple won't 'let them', then why don't they put their money where their mouth is?

What's stopping them from running Flash on a jailbroken iPod, iPhone, or iPad? C'mon, Adobe: show the world that the performance doesn't suck, that Flash doesn't destabilize the platform, that the UI is useable, and that the battery life doesn't go down the tubes. Do the demo at one of the big shows, in front of the press, and fill YouTube with a bunch of videos proving the point.

Yeah, there's something funny going on. I suspect mobile Flash isn't happening... because they can't do it.

I'm sorry, his comments do not hold water ... unless he would qualify them by saying "to him, the ipad is a toy".

Secondly, just because the most popular selling apps are games, that does not turn the iPad into a toy. If my friends and I all bought electric 4 wheel scooters, like the ones that handicapped people need to get around on ...... but we used them to play polo with ..... does that turn them into a toy? Obviously not ..... it only makes them a toy to us. Can you not see the distinction? ..... Extremeskater keeps on saying that the iPad is a toy ..... because that's what he uses it for.

To put it simply .... Apple has designed a device that has a place in a lot of areas .... work, relaxation, entertainment and many others. To brush it off as just a "toy" shows a gross misunderstanding of what it is .... or a deliberately lame attempt to bring it down to the level where it's competitors might be closer to competing with it. But that's what trolls do, so I shouldn't be surprised by it. I guess I'm still waiting for his self-stated "honesty" to be reflected in his postings. Oh well, another time, perhaps.

Hardy-har-har-har!

Apple grasps the simple fact that design is the key in the tablet (and mobile) space. Expecting Google to grasp anything about design is like expecting a flatworm to learn to play the guitar!

Have you ever used Google on a computer? You can feel the (lack of) design of their webpage sucking the juice out of your eyeballs. Using a Google tablet would be like sitting in Hell's waiting room reading a 50-year-old magazine!

Google, forsooth!

The funniest thing about these "iPad is a toy" comments is that there is probably no other technology device that has been so rapidly accepted by enterprise.

Much of the growth of the iPad over the next several years will be from corporate buyers, governments, schools, etc. Watch for an astounding number of graduate schools this fall issuing iPads to incoming students.

This is pretty much a no-brainer in the financial services sector. There are two or three medical applications that need to be optimized for the iPad, but when they are available, you will see massive adoption by the health services industry. There are already doctors clamoring their IT departments to hook up their personal devices to their hospital IT infrastructure. Doctors tend to be IT technophobes, so this activity is highly unusual.

Government will eventually figure this out as well. There is a huge amount of money/time/resources spent in paper document distribution. Everything is digitized anyhow and filed into document retrieval systems. Better to push out electronic docs rather than fire up the copy center for two days so the courier service can drive around town dropping off piles of paper.

Regardless of what Apple does many android clones will be in a race to the bottom.

Good post always thought that the videos where not right. . They must be using every single piece that gets cut out into several products.

What is it with Apple sycophants? Are you all brainwashed in some giant Apple secret facility somewhere or do just visit the genius bar and the guy smiles and says "just hold still for a second, this wont hurt" and then shoves a an ultrasonic ablater up a nostril and proceeds to liquify the parts of the brain required for independent thought and critical thinking?

'Secret process' !!!!! I wonder if that might involve something like pre forming using an extrusion press? From comments by some machinists discussing the subject:


http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb...rocess-166892/

The whole process described: http://www.manufacturelink.com.au/ne...g-process.aspx

I have an original unibody Macbook, it is very well made and I admire the engineering that went in to it, but I am not going to start genuflecting towards Cuppertino and assume it was made with Alien tech that leaked from Area 51.

Apple may use state of the art production processes, but that doesn't mean they invented them.

I swear if Apple were to make an electric car there would be posters on here jumping up and down declaring Apple invented the wheel and the battery.

Whats your definition of productive ?
To a child, painting on an iPad is amazingly creative and productive.
Being productive ? Can mean lots of things, being more productive at work for example, or simply creating something where there wasn't anything there before, creating something.
People like you always mention that its a toy and a consumption device, do you honestly believe that ? Have you NEVER created anything on your iPad ? I bet you have. To say you can do certain things on a laptop/desktop that you can't do on a iPad, does not mean the iPad is diminished in anyway, it simply implies that the others are more powerful and designed to be used in that way.
You really need to step back and reconsider your views, as they appear to be from someone who has issues that are impacting their ability to think straight.
Lets look at it in another light, my child runs the app for the Solar System, gets thrilled, and talks about this at school, does a hand-written project. Have they been creative ? Yes, the project was not created on the iPad (although it can be very easily, but I want to highlight the fact that it wasn't). I ask again, has that person been creative (i.e. productive).
See if you start looking at things in a different light, a whole new world opens up to you.
If you watched the iPad 2 presentation, at the end Steve Jobs explains that technology in itself is not enough. This cannot be any truer, just imagine how boring and grey our lives would be if it was. Technology is simply the vehicle that allows us to reach to our full potentials.
Missing out on doing your Excel on the iPad is not the end of the world.

I cite this as the biggest reason I want Google to enter the hardware business.

You would have thought it was clear he was stating his own opinion - his whole paragraph was about his ownership of an iPad. There's no need for him to qualify anything, stop being so defensive. Your example with scooters is plenty off the mark too.

His comments across multiple threads about the device itself being a toy are quite clear. His usage patterns are just his anecdotal evidence of why its a toy, but he clearly stated that the iPad is, in itself, without question, nothing but a toy.

My daughter was given an iPad with this application, effectively replacing a clumsy, windows-based tablet. Unfortunately, she died before realizing its potential.