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post #41 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>Go Braves! This is their year, I feel it. Bring on the derogatory comments, but their pitching has never been better and their hitting is about the way it always is. If they can get past the Cards, they'll be in great shape.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sure, they'll probably beat the Giants, but you're usually expected to beat a Wild Card team. The Cardinals have the offense to crush Maddux and Milwood. They'll do to Glavine what the Giants did to him 2 games ago. Look at what they did to Randy Johnson, the NL Cy Young shoe-in.

Even if they do get past the well rested Cards, they'll have to answer to the Twins, As or Angels. The As pitching trio is pretty tough to beat. Zito's got the AL Cy Young wrapped up, Mulder destroyed the Twins in his last outing. The Angels have a damn good bullpen and an offense full of guys that will hack at anything.

The Cards will roll right past whichever team meets them in the NLCS. The only questions remaining are which of the three remaining AL teams will make it to the final showdown...and who will win the World Series.
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post #42 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>Go Braves! This is their year, I feel it. Bring on the derogatory comments, but their pitching has never been better and their hitting is about the way it always is. If they can get past the Cards, they'll be in great shape.</strong><hr></blockquote>


f*ck the braves. they're the only team i hate almost as much as the yankees and dogs...
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post #43 of 162
Giants gotta win 2 straight now to advance in the playoffs. Manny Ibar really blew it yesterday with just 2 pitches.

Dusty Baker's contract is up at the end of this year, and I wonder how much he is really needed. He seems to be able to get the Giants TO the playoffs, but once they are they, they fumble. Dusty's postseason record is 2-9.

Livan Hernandez is 5-0 in postseason play, and he's pitched a few really good games recently, so hopefully he'll do good today.
post #44 of 162
I can't believe it... the Twins beat the A's :eek:
post #45 of 162
it's a season of underdogs. aside from the giants, every underdog has won in the post season this year...
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post #46 of 162
Go Twins! Yeah, an "easy win for the A's in game five." They almost came back there at the end, and for some reason the Twins put Eddie Guardado in, but they won anyway.

I have high hopes for the Twins against the Angels. It'll be a good match up, that's all I can say now. It would be funny if there was a redux of the '91 series, Braves versus Twins.
post #47 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong> It would be funny if there was a redux of the '91 series, Braves versus Twins.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I sure hope that doesn't happen. I wouldn't mind seeing the Twins in the World Series, but I absolutely hate the Braves so I don't wanna see them in.
post #48 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>Go Twins! Yeah, an "easy win for the A's in game five." They almost came back there at the end, and for some reason the Twins put Eddie Guardado in, but they won anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not without controversy though. Worst. Call. Ever. Tejada grounder to the second baseman...throws to the short-stop for the force-out at second...the ball hits the glove, bounces out in a millisecond, falls to the ground, and they call the runner out anyway? ???

The As went with the wrong rotation too. The put Hudson up for two games when he should have played the third game. If you know the Twins can't hit left handed pitchers, and you got a left handed Cy Young candidate, why the hell do you put him in game 3 with no chance of pitching more than once. It should have been Mulder, Zito, Hudson, Mulder, Zito. Instead it was Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Hudson, Mulder. Mulder didn't pitch a bad game. It was 2-1 Twins when he left the game.

At least the Giants are up 7-0 right now. Sheesh. Oakland gets two World Series caliber teams snubbed within one year's time. Last year the Raiders got the bad end of a ridiculous play call in the game against the Patriots. This year, it's baseball.

Thank goodness the Raiders are unstoppable this year. And thank goddness the Niners steamrolled the Rams. First time in 6 match-ups they've come away with a win against the Rams.
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post #49 of 162
[quote] Last year the Raiders got the bad end of a ridiculous play call in the game against the Patriots.<hr></blockquote>

Oh here we go again with the whole, 'Patriots weren't worthy' speech saying how the Raiders were 'cheated' or the Steelers were 'cheated' or the Rams were 'cheated' like it was some conspiracy. The Patriots won- get over it. Can't New England have a team that wins for once (Celtics excluded)? :confused:

As for the play at second, yes it was a bad call, but who knows what would have happened? Had he been called safe, he still might not have scored and the HR might have been solo later in the game. It was a bad call, yes, but it wasn't questioned by any one so it must not have been a big deal to either the runner or manager, otherwise there would have been at least some words.

So Twins- Angels sounds pretty good to me. I sure wouldn't have picked either team to make it this far at the beginning of the year.
post #50 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
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Oh here we go again with the whole, 'Patriots weren't worthy' speech saying how the Raiders were 'cheated' or the Steelers were 'cheated' or the Rams were 'cheated' like it was some conspiracy. The Patriots won- get over it. Can't New England have a team that wins for once (Celtics excluded)? :confused:

As for the play at second, yes it was a bad call, but who knows what would have happened? Had he been called safe, he still might not have scored and the HR might have been solo later in the game. It was a bad call, yes, but it wasn't questioned by any one so it must not have been a big deal to either the runner or manager, otherwise there would have been at least some words.

So Twins- Angels sounds pretty good to me. I sure wouldn't have picked either team to make it this far at the beginning of the year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fran441, everyone but the Patriot fans last year knew how bad a call that was. Brady was obviously bringing the ball down and not passing it. It shouldn't be surprising the Raiders fans are still bitter about it.

And in baseball it's pretty much impossible to get a call reversed unless it's something like a checked swing with an immediate appeal. No use getting riled up and wasting energy. At that point, it would have been 2 men on and one out with some good batters coming up. It was a horrible call that really did change the complexion of the entire game.
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post #51 of 162
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Not without controversy though. Worst. Call. Ever. Tejada grounder to the second baseman...throws to the short-stop for the force-out at second...the ball hits the glove, bounces out in a millisecond, falls to the ground, and they call the runner out anyway? ???</strong><hr></blockquote>

You neglect to mention that the Twins were on the short end of the exact same call earlier in the game, in the third inning. One out, Le Croy on first, Hunter grounds to Tejada, who throws to Ellis at second. Replays show the ball hits the heel of Ellis' glove and bounds away. Ump calls Le Croy out anyway, and next batter Mientkiewicz grounds out to end the inning. Gotta hand it to Ellis for his nice acting job going through the motion of throwing to first even though he lost the ball well before that.

Bottom line today: Radke outpitched Mulder. If you want to hang the goat's horns on somebody, hang them on Miguel "MVP" Tejada, who went 3-for-21 for the series.

Paid attendance at the Coliseum: 32,000 and change. The ESPN announcers spent a whole half-inning talking about all the empty seats.

Bring on the Angels! I like the Twins' chances since they have home-field advantage.

Unfortunately Denny Hocking, who played so well today, broke a finger when someone stepped on his hand in the traditional postgame pileup on the field right after the game.
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post #52 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by CaseCom:
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You neglect to mention that the Twins were on the short end of the exact same call earlier in the game...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh, I didn't see that since I tuned in just before Mulder and Radke were taken out of the game. Too many sporting events to watch in the Bay Area today.

I had to switch between The Niners, Raiders, As and the CART Grand Prix of Miami. Then I had to watch the Giants game after that.
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post #53 of 162
The Yankees lost so I have no reason to watch. I was so happy to see them get eliminated in the first round I am satisfied with baseball for a long time.
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post #54 of 162
HOLY SHIT!!!!
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post #55 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>HOLY SHIT!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

God damn braves. Stranding 13 runners. I should learn. What's worse: constant disappointment in the regular season (cubbies or red sox) or this shit that we brave fans need to put up with?

edit: I'm glad Barry's going to have a chance to get to a world series. After what we did to him in 1992, he's due.

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post #56 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
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edit: I'm glad Barry's going to have a chance to get to a world series. After what we did to him in 1992, he's due.

[ 10-08-2002: Message edited by: torifile ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


dont forget 93, you POS braves fan...
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post #57 of 162
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OK, let's see everyone's LCS predictions:

AL: Twins in 7 (of course)
NL: Cards in 6
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post #58 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by CaseCom:
<strong>OK, let's see everyone's LCS predictions:

AL: Twins in 7 (of course)
NL: Cards in 6</strong><hr></blockquote>

Any predictions are unsafe, so I'm not even going to bother. The Twins make a nice story, but I think the Angels make an even better story. They came out of nowhere this year, and they've had a longer drought than Minnesota. They also shamed the Yankees, which is a plus.

Most people would lean toward the Cardinals, but Rolen might not even play, and he's *the man* in that ball club. The Giants are also pumped...they just slayed the team with the best W-L record in the National League.

Nevertheless, you can't lose with any of these four teams. They've all got great stories this season.
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post #59 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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dont forget 93, you POS braves fan... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, how could I forget? What a great season that was. Too bad they ran out of steam from that race. (I remember the last day of the season vividly b/c it was the day I first tore my ACL. 12-1 Dodgers )
post #60 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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dont forget 93, you POS braves fan... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Damn Solomon Torres...


Oh well, time to kick the cardinals ass now.
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post #61 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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Fran441, everyone but the Patriot fans last year knew how bad a call that was. Brady was obviously bringing the ball down and not passing it. It shouldn't be surprising the Raiders fans are still bitter about it.
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Yes, it was a bad call but it didn't win the game for the Pats. They still had to take advantage of the opportunity. The Raiders seemed to give up after that point. I didn't understand that at all.

I can't believe the way these playoffs are unfolding. The teams that are winning just seem to have more heart. I don't know who to root for now. I suppose it should be the Twins. Their AA team plays in New Britain. Or maybe I shouldn't. It seems that when it comes to baseball, if I root for a team, they lose - the Sox, the A's... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #62 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by CaseCom:
<strong>OK, let's see everyone's LCS predictions:

AL: Twins in 7 (of course)
NL: Cards in 6</strong><hr></blockquote>

AL: Angels in 7
NL: Cards in 5
post #63 of 162
Typical Braves: Boatload of talent, win 100+ games, get into the playoffs and strand 10+ runners to lose the pivotal game. They suck. And Bobby Cox is the greatest regular season manager in the last 20 years, but he's the worst post-season manager - bar none. A well-trained chimp could manage that team with more skill.

And their fans are STILL the worst in baseball. God what a pathetic lot. All mopwy-assed and desheveled looking. Their chants sound like 30k people with acid reflux. Put your gay foam tomahawks away, get rid of that stupid-shit organ tooter and make some NOISE, retards!

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post #64 of 162
Well, Moogs, The Braves are a play-off caliber team, but their 100 win season is misleading. After all, the second place team in their division had a W-L record of just 83-79.

It doesn't really compare to feats like how the Yankees had 103 wins despite the BoSox ending up with a respectable 93 wins...or the As having to fend off Anaheim's 99 wins or Seattle's 93 wins...or the Diamondbacks narrowly beating the Giants' 95 wins and LA's 92 wins.

Cox tried everything, including burning through several pinch hitters in what looked like a surefire opportunity to score a few runs in the 5th and 6th. Aside from Glavine, the pitching was awesome. I'd just blame the hitters. Sheffield hit .063 (1 for 16.) That's just mind boggling...
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post #65 of 162
The thing is about this year's braves is that they had a chance to win it all. Really. Their pitching was superb all season and their hitting wasn't TOO shabby. They had plenty of opportunities to win the game and they just choked. 1st and 3rd with no one out? That's almost a no-brainer with anyone but the braves. Just like it's nearly unthinkable to get out of a bases loaded no out jam with only one run scoring. They're just a team with no offensive heart. Chipper Jones is a solid player, but he's not the strike-fear-in-the-hearts-of-pitcher player a team needs (a la Bonds, Jeter/Williams, Giambi, etc). They need a couple good losing seasons to get that fire.
post #66 of 162
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Braves, shmaves. Twins win, 2-1! Whoo-hoo!
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post #67 of 162
Aside from 95, that series with the Twinkies in 91 was the only time the Braves really showed heart in a World Series.

People can make excuses for Cox all they want. He's had ELEVEN chances - legitimate chances - to win the World Series, and he's won it ONCE. He's had all kinds of talent at all the positions, all kinds of different looks (power teams, speed teams, defensive teams) and he could not figure out a way to win other than 95. And you know with the Native American spirits looking on, they chose to curse Chief Wahoo before Chief Nakahoma / the Chop.

Anyone but Cleveland and Braves lose that series too. Guaranteed.



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post #68 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>1st and 3rd with no one out? That's almost a no-brainer with anyone but the braves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah, wait, you don't quite understand...it was the Bottom of the Nenth! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Nen and Guardado are closers who will get you a save AND a coronary at the same time.

Nen always gets in trouble...The Giants still pay him over $8 million a year for reason.
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post #69 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Moogs:
<strong> And you know with the Native American spirits looking on, they chose to curse Chief Wahoo before Chief Nakahoma / the Chop.

Anyone but Cleveland and Braves lose that series too. Guaranteed.



[ 10-09-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Funny but possibly true. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

ps - Go Bonds!
post #70 of 162
Oh my Goodwin! I Kent believe it! Holy Schmidt! I'm Snow pumped right now! Highway Robbery! The Bell tolls for St. Louis.

(Okay, so Goodwin didn't even play...but still.)

!!!

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post #71 of 162
hellz yeah! go Gs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #72 of 162
Did anybody else hear Jeff Kent scream "F---!" on the way back into the dugout???

That's the loudest, most crisp F--- I've ever heard on network television. I'd actually heard it quite a lot in the past, because I'm a CART fan and from time to time the telecast listens in on Paul Tracy's radio communication.
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post #73 of 162
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Alas I was unable to watch tonight's Giants-Cards tilt; I was at the Metrodome watching 60 minutes of bad defense as the Minnesota Gopher footballers barely escaped with their lives, 45-42 over my alma mater, Northwestern...

I'm wringing my hands over Twins-Angels ... Anaheim will be very tough to beat, but the Twins don't fold easily... If there's a Game 7 next week I've got tickets!
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post #74 of 162
Those goddamn cocksuckers can cuss up a storm when the rat bastards get hotter than shit under the collar and start to bitch about some pussy ass umpires bullshit call. Especially since the number of words in those pricks vocabularies is lower than the drippings of a drunken ****.
post #75 of 162
I have tickets to NLCS Game 3...nosebleeds, but who cares! The place is going to be pretty rowdy I think!

The minute the Giants look like they're on their way to winning a fourth game, I'm going to camp out for potentially decent seats for the games 3-5 of the World Series.
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OMG, Colander, j00 ARE BANN3D!1
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post #77 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>I have tickets to NLCS Game 3...nosebleeds, but who cares! The place is going to be pretty rowdy I think!

The minute the Giants look like they're on their way to winning a fourth game, I'm going to camp out for potentially decent seats for the games 3-5 of the World Series.</strong><hr></blockquote>


dude, that is so sweet! you wanna bring yer ol pal from texas??

i've been tryin to find tickets, but it's quite difficult from a different state...
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post #78 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by _ alliance _:
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dude, that is so sweet! you wanna bring yer ol pal from texas??

i've been tryin to find tickets, but it's quite difficult from a different state... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Try online at sfgiants.com at 10 AM the day after the Giants win the series, that's how I got the upper deck stuff. It took 40 minutes for me to get through though, and sold out immediately after I got mine...Heh.
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post #79 of 162
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>OMG, Colander, j00 ARE BANN3D!1</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Well that was mighty stupid of him. Posters today lack the creativity in getting banned that TigerWoods had only weeks ago. Sure, he had to create long winded but fake stories and turn virtually every moderator at AI against him in the process to get banned- But at least it was something!
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