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I think you are missing something. It is certainly possible that a new feature in iOS5 might be the ability to stream your media from a home computer, over the internet to your iOS device. But what this is talking about is Apple's huge server farm basically hosting your media collection in the cloud for streaming to your iOS device. Your home computer would not be used in this scenario, so you could definitely leave it at home and turned off or in sleep mode.

As for turning computers off...I commend your desire to save money and energy, however, I think alot of people out there are not as eco-friendly as you and leave their machines on constantly.

I suspect MobileMe will be free. I've been getting it since 2007, and if they were just changing pricing or something rather than making it free then they'd offer some sort of a discount to those who bought it recently, like with iPad2. Instead, you can't buy Mobile Me anymore. I hope I get a bonus for being a paying member at one point, but then again, it being free is a bonus in itself. Plus I'll finally be able to use my @me.com email address with the confidence it'll remain there for a couple of years - didn't want to before because I was always iffy on keeping the service... even though it's pretty good.

I also doubt they'll expect you to leave your computer on for whatever their streaming idea is. It's just a messy solution and it encourages wasting of resources. That's not green. Your ISP could be at fault, then Apple has to deal with service calls for it. Plus its harder to set up. Plus Apple's been in talks with Music Companies about multiple downloads of the same file. Seems pretty clear where they're going, but I do suspect some surprises.
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I just started using it to make phone calls and it works quite well. Very helpful in my car that doesn't have bluetooth.

I find it annoying because it very often starts dialing the wrong person. My old dumb Moto phone had pretty decent voice recognition and as I recall it would say back something like "calling Bob. Is this correct?" and waited for a yes.

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Letters with apostrophe and the @ is possible:
1. Apostrophe over letters; á, ñ, ö, are possible if you hold your finger on the letter you want to have something added, and boom, there's all the different a's, n's, and so on.
2. With the @, same procedure: hold your finger down from the symbols-key, and drag it all the way to the @, and release, when you release, you're back on the regular keyboard. Boom.

Boom. Boom. (I know it's not the quickest way, but it's better than having five extra buttons. )

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Sure there is. Turn it on, keep it plugged in, walk out of the house. Boom.

IN FACT, I actually left my computer on for a month straight while I was in Iowa, and I used Orb to get to my photos and videos on my computer back home, both from my phone and from my laptop. It's pretty wild.

Good job the Earth has an infinite supply of energy then eh! If it didn't, it would be rather obscene to leave an unused computer on for so long wouldn't it?
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Why would those features be left off for 3Gs owners?

Generally speaking as each new version of iOS comes out the generation of phones two years previous is usually left out. For iOS 5 running on iPhone 5, this means that the 3Gs would be the old grandaddy phone that would be left out. It's not a lock but it's likely.
post #46 of 110
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I think you are missing something. It is certainly possible that a new feature in iOS5 might be the ability to stream your media from a home computer, over the internet to your iOS device. But what this is talking about is Apple's huge server farm basically hosting your media collection in the cloud for streaming to your iOS device. Your home computer would not be used in this scenario, so you could definitely leave it at home and turned off or in sleep mode.

As for turning computers off...I commend your desire to save money and energy, however, I think alot of people out there are not as eco-friendly as you and leave their machines on constantly.

I shut the lid at the very least. Plus the comp goes insto sleep automatically after 30 minutes of inactivity.
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post #47 of 110
I'd like to see MobileMe free and go head to head with gmail and the other google online apps.

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Good job the Earth has an infinite supply of energy then eh! If it didn't, it would be rather obscene to leave an unused computer on for so long wouldn't it?

Well, it *was* being used though. Just remotely.

Oh, and technically the Earth actually *does* have a virtually infinite supply of energy, or at least so close to it that it isn't worth arguing about. It's just a matter of how to access it. There is more energy (potentially) in a grain of sand than that necessary to power all the computers in the world for years.

If only we could figure out how to get it out of there!
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Originally Posted by AIaddict View Post

FRAGMENTATION! Tens of millions of iOS devices that cant update to the latest OS, my gosh it sounds a lot like ANDROID!

Its already happening, though not the same way it happens with android. Androids have devices that come out tomorrow that wont get the update that came out last week or the one that will come out next month. They get the one that comes out in two months that is approved by the carrier and has the little configurations put in by the manufacture.

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Well sure, eventually, but you made it sound like 3Gs was cut off as of iOS5. I would be extremely shocked if this were the case. it still has great performance compared to the 3G.

This exact thing has happened with each new iPhone release since the 3GS cam out.

iPhone 2G is stuck at 3.1.3
iPhone 3G is stuck at 4.2.1
iPhone 3Gs WILL stop at 4.3.0-X
I am willing to bet the iPhone 4 will stop at iOS 5.x right when 6.x is coming out, we will have this whole conversation again.

They kill off two year old products. Just watch wait and see.
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It seems that in years past by now we usually have heard some whispers about the next iOS, and devs have it and we know a thing or two about what is coming. But this year it seems much more quiet. I wonder if some big changes are coming. Here's hoping~

Yeah! There are some things in the iOS 4.3 beta/GM that have not been discussed because of NDA.

One thing I expect to see in iOS 5 is OpenCL support -- if the new GPU supports it. Depending on the number of GPU cores, GCD (already available in 4.2) and OpenCL APIs would help developers to efficiently exploit the new hardware -- 2 CPU cores and hopefully 2 (or more) GPU cores.
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... I would also like to add:

4) improved multitask switching!
First, the double-click thing is awkward. Second, it's silly to be able to side-scroll thru every single app on your phone. Every user I know simply switches apps the old fashioned way. The only thing the multi-task bar is good for is killing misbehaving apps (Words with Friends comes immediately to mind).

What do you mean by this?

I am also really tired of the double-clicking, but are you saying that you don't like the gesture solution either? And what is this "old-fashioned" way you speak of?

IMO, the five finger gestures are an brilliant, excellent solution, far better than anything I've seen anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

The only person I know who does that is my grandpa who also logs off his email service after getting mail.

Modern computers with energy saving features use an insignificant amount of energy when in sleep mode and are designed to be left on 24/7.

Yes! I think that you also get a power surge each time you turn the computer on or off. Multiple power surges could easily consume more energy than leaving it on -- running in sleep mode.

The power surges also have a negative effect on electronic and mechanical components.

My late father-in-law would unplug the TV before he went to bed.
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Good job the Earth has an infinite supply of energy then eh! If it didn't, it would be rather obscene to leave an unused computer on for so long wouldn't it?

Oh please. A MacBook Uses less energy than a light bulb. I suppose you want us to pull the plugs on our TVs because the standby mode also consumes energy?

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I suspect MobileMe will be free. I've been getting it since 2007, and if they were just changing pricing or something rather than making it free then they'd offer some sort of a discount to those who bought it recently, like with iPad2. Instead, you can't buy Mobile Me anymore. I hope I get a bonus for being a paying member at one point, but then again, it being free is a bonus in itself. Plus I'll finally be able to use my @me.com email address with the confidence it'll remain there for a couple of years - didn't want to before because I was always iffy on keeping the service... even though it's pretty good.

I also doubt they'll expect you to leave your computer on for whatever their streaming idea is. It's just a messy solution and it encourages wasting of resources. That's not green. Your ISP could be at fault, then Apple has to deal with service calls for it. Plus its harder to set up. Plus Apple's been in talks with Music Companies about multiple downloads of the same file. Seems pretty clear where they're going, but I do suspect some surprises.

I suspect parts of it will be free. Such as syncing between devices, which directly supports you owning more than one Apple device. Email might be free, but with more limited storage than you get today with a full account. But other things that don't support hardware sales you may still have to pay for. For example, the web-based apps to view your data (contacts and calendars) in a web browser and storage space for backing up your other data and online photos, things that take up a lot of storage space, you may still have to pay for.

Right now, needing more than the default 10GB of space is difficult. iDisk is horribly slow and Apple's Backup program, quite frankly, sucks. But if they could improve those features they could probably convince people to pay them even more money for storage space.

I just don't think it's in Apple's nature these days to give anything away for free. They are looking for any way they can to monitize everything they offer.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

I suspect parts of it will be free. Such as syncing between devices, which directly supports you owning more than one Apple device. Email might be free, but with more limited storage than you get today with a full account. But other things that don't support hardware sales you may still have to pay for. For example, the web-based apps to view your data (contacts and calendars) in a web browser and storage space for backing up your other data and online photos, things that take up a lot of storage space, you may still have to pay for.

Right now, needing more than the default 10GB of space is difficult. iDisk or horribly slow and Apple's Backup program, quite frankly, sucks. But if they could improve those features they could probably convince people to pay them even more money for storage space.

I just don't think it's in Apple's nature these days to give anything away for free. They are looking for any way they can to monitize everything they offer.

They could make MobileMe free and use iAds as a way to monetize MobileMe the way Google & MS use ads to monetize their web services. Nothing wrong with that.
post #56 of 110
In order to get users to switch, Apple really needs to make some sort of grand statement that the service will be free forever. Otherwise, it's iTools all over again...

I really hope iOS 5 is a massive upgrade (not in size though). There are so many stupid little things wrong with the current iOS that Apple needs to address. Some additional items that haven't been mentioned yet:
  1. The perference to not use cover flow for the iPod app
  2. To create some useful way of fast forwarding through a video
  3. A way to easily select a part of video you are watching (using that tiny ball to scrub through a video to a particular point is terrible)
  4. To include the Video app on all iOS devices and not just iPod Touches (not sure if its on iPads)
  5. Different sounds from texts from different people
  6. To remember the starting point of any song when you hit the back button. For example, when you choose in iTunes to start a song at a particular point in the track when you hit the back button, the song should start at the particular starting point identified and not at the beginning of the song.
  7. Password protect certain apps or iOS device setting.
  8. To create a better way of displaying text messages
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This exact thing has happened with each new iPhone release since the 3GS cam out.

iPhone 2G is stuck at 3.1.3
iPhone 3G is stuck at 4.2.1
iPhone 3Gs WILL stop at 4.3.0-X
I am willing to bet the iPhone 4 will stop at iOS 5.x right when 6.x is coming out, we will have this whole conversation again.

They kill off two year old products. Just watch wait and see.

You expect Apple to stand still? They do not cut old phones out unless they can't keep up with the new OS features. Since Apple recently came out with one of the most performance-demanding OS-wide features (multitasking) and since the iPhone 4 is a real powerhouse, I wouldn't be surprised if they supported it up to iOS 7.x

Having no idea of how the 3GS behaves under 4.3.x, I can't state if it will or not make the jump, but unless they add something that will require more processing across the entire OS (new notifications may OR NOT do that) which would make iOS 5.0 unacceptable on the 3GS, I doubt Apple will kill it.

In fact, I think Apple might have purposefully left multitasking out of 3.0 to avoid making the 3G instantly obsolete when the 3GS came out.

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The word "rumored" would be the second one in the title right after the word "Apple."

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They could make MobileMe free and use iAds as a way to monetize MobileMe the way Google & MS use ads to monetize their web services. Nothing wrong with that.

Excellent point! I didn't think of that. I hear iAds isn't really doing that great, so that could be a way to broaden the audience to try and get more advertisers. Of course, I wonder how much the online apps get used? The primary place I would use them, at work, is still stuck on IE7, and MobileMe online apps in IE7 is a bit painful so I don't use it much. And if they started putting ads in the desktop or iOS versions of the applications themselves, I think there'd be a revolt!

But I guess if there are enough page views for the online apps, iAds could be a viable alternative for those services.
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Good job the Earth has an infinite supply of energy then eh! If it didn't, it would be rather obscene to leave an unused computer on for so long wouldn't it?

At night there is really minimal electrical grid demand. Leaving the computer on 24/7 is less wear and tear on the machine than shutting down and rebooting all the time so your computer will last longer. As others have said, in the sleep mode it is not consuming very much at all. Do you unplug your alarm clock when you are not using it? It is probably using more energy than a sleeping notebook.

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Good job the Earth has an infinite supply of energy then eh! If it didn't, it would be rather obscene to leave an unused computer on for so long wouldn't it?

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Oh please. A MacBook Uses less energy than a light bulb. I suppose you want us to pull the plugs on our TVs because the standby mode also consumes energy?

Actually, it may sound trivial when thought of from an individual perspective. However, when one factors in vampire-power, it gets to be a chunk of change per year year.

One article (can't recall site) found that a large household with lots of charges, sleep-mode equipment, etc... is almost equivalent to running a 100-watt lightbulb every day. That results in almost $100 @.10/kwH and around six tons of CO2. That's per household.

Multiply that out by the hundreds of millions of people around the world that do that, and it's a large amount of coal being burned to keep those things running.

Just trying to offer additional perspectives.
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Originally Posted by tru_canuk View Post

They could make MobileMe free and use iAds as a way to monetize MobileMe the way Google & MS use ads to monetize their web services. Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that if you like watching ads.

I don't think I'm alone in saying I would rather keep paying if this is the case.
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  1. Different sounds from texts from different people

As of iOS 4.2, it already does this!

Go into contacts, edit a contact and select their text tone. Voila!
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Originally Posted by funkyp56 View Post

Its already happening, though not the same way it happens with android. Androids have devices that come out tomorrow that wont get the update that came out last week or the one that will come out next month. They get the one that comes out in two months that is approved by the carrier and has the little configurations put in by the manufacture.

This exact thing has happened with each new iPhone release since the 3GS cam out.

iPhone 2G is stuck at 3.1.3
iPhone 3G is stuck at 4.2.1
iPhone 3Gs WILL stop at 4.3.0-X
I am willing to bet the iPhone 4 will stop at iOS 5.x right when 6.x is coming out, we will have this whole conversation again.

They kill off two year old products. Just watch wait and see.

Two years is a eons compared to the rest of the smartphone industry. But not that you dont have clue about 2 years, you only know that the iPhone 3G is no longer getting updates, something it was having issues with on some units from the start of iOS 4.0. Some will try to say it was a conspiracy, but then why even update it at all? Oh yeah, to make your phone run so slowly that you have to buy an iPhone 4.
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Originally Posted by _Rick_V_ View Post

As of iOS 4.2, it already does this!

Go into contacts, edit a contact and select their text tone. Voila!

I am behind the times... Thanks!
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I'd like to see user profiles implemented. Ultimately it could be defaulted to "off" in preferences so that it could only be set up as desired. It may not make the most sense on a phone or ipod, but an iPad is often shared and allowing different users to set up certain things would be nice. It would make sharing an iPad a much more pleasant experience for families.
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You expect Apple to stand still? They do not cut old phones out unless they can't keep up with the new OS features. Since Apple recently came out with one of the most performance-demanding OS-wide features (multitasking) and since the iPhone 4 is a real powerhouse, I wouldn't be surprised if they supported it up to iOS 7.x

Having no idea of how the 3GS behaves under 4.3.x, I can't state if it will or not make the jump, but unless they add something that will require more processing across the entire OS (new notifications may OR NOT do that) which would make iOS 5.0 unacceptable on the 3GS, I doubt Apple will kill it.

In fact, I think Apple might have purposefully left multitasking out of 3.0 to avoid making the 3G instantly obsolete when the 3GS came out.

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Two years is a eons compared to the rest of the smartphone industry. But not that you don’t have clue about 2 years, you only know that the iPhone 3G is no longer getting updates, something it was having issues with on some units from the start of iOS 4.0. Some will try to say it was a conspiracy, but then why even update it at all? Oh yeah, to make your phone run so slowly that you have to buy an iPhone 4.



I don't expect them to stand still. I was explaining to someone else that Apple likes to make stuff "obsolete" to push new product.

My point is made here: iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G had exactly the same hardware except the 3G radio. There is no reason the iPhone 2G could not have had iOS 4 except for the reason Apple wanted to push people to the new phone.

This will continue with iOS 5.0 for the 3Gs, it wont happen.

UNLESS:

Apple feels the need to help out all those users who just bought all thos $49 3Gs in the past few months, but I doubt that will happen.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

At night there is really minimal electrical grid demand. Leaving the computer on 24/7 is less wear and tear on the machine than shutting down and rebooting all the time so your computer will last longer. As others have said, in the sleep mode it is not consuming very much at all. Do you unplug your alarm clock when you are not using it? It is probably using more energy than a sleeping notebook.

Leaving your computer on 24/7 is NOT less wear and tear than shutting it down!

Most computer components (including hard drives and fans, the only things in your computer to get wear and tear) are rated in hours between mean rate of failure. The act of starting up and shutting down (which is is designed to do) is so minimal that if you (technically) want to get the maximum number of years out of your computer you definitely want to shut it down at night.

Think about a light bulb that's rated for 2000 hours; a light bulb left 'on' 24/7 will have far fewer useful days than a bulb that's turned on for only 3 or 4 hours in the evening. In other words, you can count on needing to replace it in 3 or 4 months versus about a year and a half if it's on for just 4 hours a day.
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Originally Posted by _Rick_V_ View Post

As of iOS 4.2, it already does this!

Go into contacts, edit a contact and select their text tone. Voila!

Thanks for the tip! I didn't know about that.
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Originally Posted by funkyp56 View Post

This exact thing has happened with each new iPhone release since the 3GS cam out.

iPhone 2G is stuck at 3.1.3
iPhone 3G is stuck at 4.2.1
iPhone 3Gs WILL stop at 4.3.0-X
I am willing to bet the iPhone 4 will stop at iOS 5.x right when 6.x is coming out, we will have this whole conversation again.

They kill off two year old products. Just watch wait and see.

"Kill off"? Do they suddenly stop working?

As someone who still has a 3GS, I think it's an unreasonable expectation that 2+ year old hardware will run everything in iOS 5 or that Apple should continue to include updates for old hardware 2 years down the track.

Considering that my old Nokia phones would be falling apart by now (20 months after purchase), and that 3GS' will keep running perfectly well on 4.2 (and 4.3, presumably, and possibly 5.0), I don't see that there's much to complain about.
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I don't expect them to stand still. I was explaining to someone else that Apple likes to make stuff "obsolete" to push new product.

Erm, perhaps because a 2+ year old electronic device is in fact obsolete? In July there will already be 2 newer models than the 3GS.
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I don't expect them to stand still. I was explaining to someone else that Apple likes to make stuff "obsolete" to push new product.

My point is made here: iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G had exactly the same hardware except the 3G radio. There is no reason the iPhone 2G could not have had iOS 4 except for the reason Apple wanted to push people to the new phone.

This will continue with iOS 5.0 for the 3Gs, it wont happen.

UNLESS:

Apple feels the need to help out all those users who just bought all thos $49 3Gs in the past few months, but I doubt that will happen.

But it's patently false. Apple has the longest update cycle for mobile devices. There is even plenty of anecdotal evidence that shows Macs last longer running at usable speeds mih longer than from vendors selling Windows PCs.

For your comments to be correct you'd hav to how some proof that Apple is purposely hobbling each and every device or wells after a given timeframe. But you can't because that just isn't good business. In fact, the only reason Apple can offer iPhone updates longer than Android is due to their small product numbers which make it considerably cheaper for them to offer a 2-3 year update cycle.
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Two years is a eons compared to the rest of the smartphone industry. But not that you dont have clue about 2 years, you only know that the iPhone 3G is no longer getting updates, something it was having issues with on some units from the start of iOS 4.0. Some will try to say it was a conspiracy, but then why even update it at all? Oh yeah, to make your phone run so slowly that you have to buy an iPhone 4.

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But it's patently false. Apple has the longest update cycle for mobile devices. There is even plenty of anecdotal evidence that shows Macs last longer running at usable speeds mih longer than from vendors selling Windows PCs.

For your comments to be correct you'd hav to how some proof that Apple is purposely hobbling each and every device or wells after a given timeframe. But you can't because that just isn't good business. In fact, the only reason Apple can offer iPhone updates longer than Android is due to their small product numbers which make it considerably cheaper for them to offer a 2-3 year update cycle.

I don't have a problem with them NOT updating old devices.

Apple is NOT "KILLING THEM OFF" or "HOBBLING", they are just flat out NOT updating old devices.
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So will the iP4 sell for $49 come June?

I think it will start at $100, maybe hit $49 just after Christmas.
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Erm, perhaps because a 2+ year old electronic device is in fact obsolete? In July there will already be 2 newer models than the 3GS.

Thats a good point.

Im on a two year cycle myself. I had a 3G and now have a 4. I'll get a 5 because my wife wants my 4.
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Originally Posted by funkyp56 View Post

Its already happening, though not the same way it happens with android. Androids have devices that come out tomorrow that wont get the update that came out last week or the one that will come out next month. They get the one that comes out in two months that is approved by the carrier and has the little configurations put in by the manufacture.



This exact thing has happened with each new iPhone release since the 3GS cam out.

iPhone 2G is stuck at 3.1.3
iPhone 3G is stuck at 4.2.1
iPhone 3Gs WILL stop at 4.3.0-X
I am willing to bet the iPhone 4 will stop at iOS 5.x right when 6.x is coming out, we will have this whole conversation again.

They kill off two year old products. Just watch wait and see.

The 3GS can handle what an IP 4 can handle, more or less. Apple are going to have a cheap phone this year - why not the 3GS.
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Erm, perhaps because a 2+ year old electronic device is in fact obsolete? In July there will already be 2 newer models than the 3GS.

Since its not much slower than the iPhone 4 it can't be hobbled. The 3G was the same as the 1G except for the radio.
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FRAGMENTATION! Tens of millions of iOS devices that cant update to the latest OS, my gosh it sounds a lot like ANDROID!

It'd be better if the new OS ran molasses-slow on the older hardware?

Anyway I guarantee older hardware will NOT brick itself because it doesn't run the latest OS. I'd actually be surprised if iOS supports hardware back as far as rumored.
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My guess

1) notifications
2) swipe to change apps ( as in fullscreen Lion)
3) some kind of mission control
4) widgets.
5) integration with the cloud. If you own a song you can play it over Apple's servers. Upload the song ( or rather a checksum) and then play it from Apple. This does not violate fair use.

6) lots more. Except for 5) that stuff is easy.
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The 3GS can handle what an IP 4 can handle, more or less. Apple are going to have a cheap phone this year - why not the 3GS.

I wish it were as simple as that. The past tells us otherwise and the 3Gs should become obsolete when the iPhone 5 hits the shelves.

A good way of looking at this is with their Apple Care product. It only extends the warranty an extra year.

The Models section makes it really easy to see what will happen next too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
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