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A new survey shows Apple poised to dominate the tablet market yet again in 2011 with the iPad 2, as 82 percent of future tablet buyers said they would choose Apple's iPad over competing options like the Motorola Xoom and RIM PlayBook.

ChangeWave on Thursday released the results of a poll it conducted in February of 3,091 consumers, before the iPad 2 was even announced. While 82 percent of those who plan to buy a tablet chose Apple's iPad, just 4 percent went with the Xoom, 3 percent with the PlayBook, and 3 percent for the Samsung Galaxy Tab.

The number who want to buy the iPad has only grown since last November, when 80 percent of respondents said they wanted Apple's touchscreen tablet. At the time, 8 percent said they were waiting for the RIM PlayBook.

The new survey also revealed that owners of the first-generation iPad remain extremely pleased with their purchase. The poll shows that 70 percent of those who bought the first iPad are "very satisfied" with the device, while another 25 percent said they are "somewhat satisfied." Only 2 percent considered themselves to be "somewhat unsatisfied," leaving 2 percent who said they "don't know."

The poll also found that consumer interest in tablets is growing. Of those surveyed, 27 percent said they plan on buying a tablet device in the future, up from 25 percent in November 2010. In the next 90 days, 5 percent of respondents said they plan to buy a tablet.



The survey also indicated that the AT&T iPad is a more popular option for a 3G-connected iPad versus Verizon's offering, with AT&T taking 24 percent of iPad buyers versus 17 percent from Verizon. But it should also be noted that when the survey was conducted, the iPad was not available with integrated 3G from Verizon, and the carrier was bundling the tablet with a MiFi hotspot.



Most respondents who plan to buy an iPad will not opt for the 3G model. ChangeWave's survey found that 28 percent said they will get an iPad without wireless service, with 19 percent of purchases coming from Apple and 9 percent from retail partners like Best Buy, Walmart or Target.
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2011 is the year of the iPad 2 (and copycats).

It looks like only Apple haters are buying a non-Apple tablet this year.
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"82% of future tablet buyers say they'll choose Apple's iPad'

If I were Apple, I'd like to keep this exact Tablet market-share ratio, for the next 3 to 6 years.

Any more than that, and they could be perceived as "the only game in town"
(a monopoly)

Though, even if they sold 250 million units over that time,

250mlllion/2billion, is hardly a monopoly.
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2011 is the year of the iPad 2.

It looks like only Apple haters are buying a non-Apple tablet this year.


These Apple-haters are dumb a'holes. They'd rather buy a buggy, 2nd rate Android craplet with NO apps, poor battery life that crashes every minute than buy an iPad.
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2011 is the year of the iPad 2.

It looks like only Apple haters are buying a non-Apple tablet this year.

I played with the Xoom for about 20 minutes at Costco a couple nights ago. As usual, a potentially good idea gone down the toilet due to bad execution. Have any of these competitors learned anything from watching Apple's success at the sidelines?

Build quality was horrible. The screen, while higher-resolution had poor visibility unless looked at directly head-on. Tilt the screen a few degrees and it looked washed-out. Performance - as is typical with Android - had none of the smoothness and fluidity that the iOS had since day one. This just felt like a rushed-product.

I was the only one at the kiosk playing with it. No one else was interested. That's not a good sign. Had I bought one without having the chance to try it out, I most certainly would have returned it that same day.

The XOOM felt outdated before it even had a chance to get out of the gate. Performance reviews out so far determined this brand new device is about on-par in performance with the 1st-gen iPad. Barely keeps up with a one-year-old piece of Apple hardware. That's just sad.

XOOM seems destined to fail. Considering the $800 pricetag, it will crash-and-burn in a spectacular way.
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2011 is the year of the iPad 2.

It looks like only Apple haters are buying a non-Apple tablet this year.

And at 4% they seem to live in a very lonely world!
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Percentage sounds similar to the iPod surveys in years past. I think the iPad2 will blow the competition out of the water!

Competitors always used to beat Apple with inferior products/software sold for cheap prices....think netbooks, PC's and Windows OS. Apple is now pricing the iPads very aggressively where RIM, Dell, Sony, MS, etc., can't match. And Apple is doing it with superior hardware and software. Fantastic! Apple has made my work a hundred times easier over the years.

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Really it looks like tech consumers that consciously purchase a Xoom or other Android tablet are doing so purely out of spite which is not a good way to spend $500 or should I say $800 in the case of the Xoom. I say let them lug that hunk of Google goodness around and tell everyone how "open" it is, and how much more RAM or some other pointless spec it wins over the iPad. The truth is there is no other company in the so called tablet wars that really can match the iPad as an experience or that crazy desire to own and play with one. I use mine everyday, more than I ever did with my iPhone, it has replaced my laptop when I travel for business.
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Really it looks like tech consumers that consciously purchase a Xoom or other Android tablet are doing so purely out of spite which is not a good way to spend $500 or should I say $800 in the case of the Xoom. I say let them lug that hunk of Google goodness around and tell everyone how "open" it is, and how much more RAM or some other pointless spec it wins over the iPad. The truth is there is no other company in the so called tablet wars that really can match the iPad as an experience or that crazy desire to own and play with one. I use mine everyday, more than I ever did with my iPhone, it has replaced my laptop when I travel for business.

Agreed, Kerryb. Remember when the iPad was first introduced but not released and a lot of people were saying that there was too much overlap with the iPhone/Touch iPod and laptops? They were really proven wrong on that score.

I agree the Apple iPad2 is so superior to anything "rushed" to market by others.
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Any more than that, and they could be perceived as "the only game in town" (a monopoly)

It's just like the iPod in the MP3 player market. Apple should dominate by merit, not by monopoly.
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These Apple-haters are dumb a'holes. They'd rather buy a buggy, 2nd rate Android craplet with NO apps, poor battery life that crashes every minute than buy an iPad.

But Xoom's got megahertzes!!!
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Agreed, Kerryb. Remember when the iPad was first introduced but not released and a lot of people were saying that there was too much overlap with the iPhone/Touch iPod and laptops? They were really proven wrong on that score.

I agree the Apple iPad2 is so superior to anything "rushed" to market by others.

Pogues article on it starts off with some funny quotes from last year.

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An utter disappointment and abysmal failure (Orange County Design Blog). Consumers seem genuinely baffled by why they might need it (Businessweek). Nothing more than a luxury bauble that will appeal to a few gadget freaks (Bloomberg). Insanely great it is not (MarketWatch). My god, am I underwhelmed (Gizmodo).

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/te...h/10pogue.html

His article fits me well. I still have little use for the iPad and what use I do get from it is from reading books and other things that arent going to show any real gain from the HW. I dont even care about the cameras and will probably only use FaceTime just to check it out. Yet despite that I cant wait to get the new one tomorrow.
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But Xoom's got megahertzes!!!

I remember this one guy on ArsTechnica's forums saying that he would have bought an iPad 2 if it had improved battery life instead of thickness. He said because Apple didn't do that, he was going to buy a Xoom instead.

The kicker?
Xoom - 8 hrs under heavy use. iPad 2 - 10 hours...

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Agreed, Kerryb. Remember when the iPad was first introduced but not released and a lot of people were saying that there was too much overlap with the iPhone/Touch iPod and laptops? They were really proven wrong on that score.

I agree the Apple iPad2 is so superior to anything "rushed" to market by others.

I think the "rush" factor is where Apple has the advantage. They probably spent 3-4 years refining the iPad (I actually heard that the iPad was the original idea, but they decided to do the iPhone first), then finally revealing it in January 2010. Now 1 year later, every other company is rushing to imitate it. Their experience with this form factor (screen, battery, body) and this interface (touch, mobile, 10-inch canvas) is so shallow compared to the iPad. Add to that the fact that Apple has the lowest entry point ($499) for a 10-inch tablet, and competitors don't have a chance (not yet anyway).

At launch, Apple already had an office suite (Pages, Keynote, Numbers) optimized for the 10-inch tablet, ready to go. This year they've got creative apps (GarageBand, iMovie) and 60,000 third-party apps. They're steadily creating alternative experiences to the personal computer one app at a time...

BTW, I find it amazing that a few years ago, the iOS GarageBand probably could have sold decently at $499 as its own device, and now it's a $4.99 app for iPad
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I think the "rush" factor is where Apple has the advantage. They probably spent 3-4 years refining the iPad (I actually heard that the iPad was the original idea, but they decided to do the iPhone first), then finally revealing it in January 2010. Now 1 year later, every other company is rushing to imitate it. Their experience with this form factor (screen, battery, body) and this interface (touch, mobile, 10-inch canvas) is so shallow compared to the iPad. Add to that the fact that Apple has the lowest entry point ($499) for a 10-inch tablet, and competitors don't have a chance (not yet anyway).

At launch, Apple already had an office suite (Pages, Keynote, Numbers) optimized for the 10-inch tablet, ready to go. This year they've got creative apps (GarageBand, iMovie) and 60,000 third-party apps. They're steadily creating alternative experiences to the personal computer one app at a time...

BTW, I find it amazing that a few years ago, the iOS GarageBand probably could have sold decently at $499 as its own device, and now it's a $4.99 app for iPad

Yup.

While the competition are rushing their first generation products Apple just released their second generation product.
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Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

1) Made the first tablet that came with familiarity to an already popular device
2) Lucrative competition hasn't had time to respond to the market

The truth is Apple has successfully poked holes in consumers wallets over and over, convincing them that they are spending less and resulting in them spending more. "Well an iPad 2 is cheaper than a Macbook I'll buy it!" (spend $500) ...1 year later... "O well I have to buy iPad 3!" (spend $500) Congratulations Apple you have successfully tricked the consumer into spending $1000 still. Another example is the App Store, "O my gosh I can buy a game for .99c, thats worth it" ... $100 later ... "there's an app for everything I love this!" ... next credit card bill "I SPENT HOW MUCH ON APPS?!?!" What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.

I personally am annoyed by several things the iOS does as a whole.
1) No UI customization (I would like this because as much as Apple thinks everyone will be happy with the same design, I am not, I would like my upcoming events on the lock screen and not have to open the damn calendar app after I unlock the device)
2) Until I default to using the search everytime, I am looking at a cluster fuck of icons even if they are in folders! I think this picture appropriately reflects how I feel



So I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.
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These Apple-haters are ...... They'd rather buy a buggy, 2nd rate Android craplet with NO apps, poor battery life that crashes every minute than buy an iPad.

For the longest time, buggy, 2nd rate windows crap with a lot of apps that crashed every minute had 97 percent of market share. So I dont think it has anything to do with hate. People buy what there is the most of, It's convincing, appealing and makes you secure.

In this case... it's a good thing that the iPad (a superior product) is ahead of the heap

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Have you seen those XOOM commercials on tv? Who are they targeting with that? 5% of the market maybe? Their tablets fail and I'm not surprised that they fail when it comes to their commercials also.

Apple appeals to everybody, except for the most rabid anti-Apple zealots.
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20% are gonna lay down cash for PlayBook/XOOM/TouchPad ?
20%?!?
Hardly ....
By iPad 3 -- you will hear nary a word from these -- or any other -- tablet producers.

And by the way -- Gruber is a moron.
The "iPad 3" he says is coming out in September isn't an iOS tablet.
It's a tablet running OS X -- that's why Lion looks the way it does.
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post #20 of 78
Getting the black iPad 2 w/32GB, at&t. Last in line is a rotten Android. Go!

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Pogues article on it starts off with some funny quotes from last year.



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/te...h/10pogue.html

His article fits me well. I still have little use for the iPad and what use I do get from it is from reading books and other things that arent going to show any real gain from the HW. I dont even care about the cameras and will probably only use FaceTime just to check it out. Yet despite that I cant wait to get the new one tomorrow.

Yep, I had just read that article, too. I remember MacWorld Podcast where the Editor of PCWorld was basically nonplussed by the iPad but the Jason Snell, editor of MacWorld saw it as a remarkable machine.

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What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.
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If you don't like the iPad, that's fine, go buy an android tablet or a windows tablet or whatever and root it to your heart's desire, but don't come with BS. People who choose the iPad are the smart ones, the people who know what they're talking about and people who know quality when they see it. Some people laughed at the iPad and dismissed it when it first came out. Boy, those people look like real morons now.

Ignorant are the fools who like to spout off useless specs, like complaining that the iPad2 only has 512 mb Ram, even though it performs better than other tablets with 1 gig of Ram.

Ignorant are the fools who claim that the Xoom screen is better than the iPad screen because it has a higher resolution. The iPad screen is vastly superior to the Xoom display in every way, shape and form. It's brighter, the contrast is higher and it's sharper.

Ignorant are the fools who don't grasp and understand what a tablet is supposed to be and has prehistoric ideas where they still are stuck in their 1990's way of thinking about what a PC should be.

People collect Apple products and they always have a good resale value. The only people collecting those other tablets will be the garbage collectors, after the owners throw them in the trash bin a year from now.

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20% are gonna lay down cash for PlayBook/XOOM/TouchPad ?
20%?!?
Hardly ....
By iPad 3 -- you will hear nary a word from these -- or any other -- tablet producers.

And by the way -- Gruber is a moron.
The "iPad 3" he says is coming out in September isn't an iOS tablet.
It's a tablet running OS X -- that's why Lion looks the way it does.
You heard it here first.

I am curious ... What is your basis to think Lion is the OS of choice for a tablet ... Lion is not released yet ... where is there support info that puts meaning into such a prediction?
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2011 is the year of the iPad 2 (and copycats).

It looks like only Apple haters are buying a non-Apple tablet this year.

That is so right. There is no way anyone other than an Apple hater would buy one of those other tablets. But I guess there was a time when the only people who bought macs were Wintel haters, and their sacrifice allowed Apple to survive to fight another day. We all are enjoying the benefits of their Wintel hatred. Who knows, maybe one of these makers of sucky Android tablets will be kept alive by the Apple hate and someday make a product that I'd actually want to buy. Stranger things have happened...
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I attended a speech by Bill Gates in the 1990's that talked how the future of the personal computer is tablets. It amazes me that Apple has so blown them out of the water in that regard. Apple is on their second generation tablet now, basically owns the entire market, yet Microsoft still has not released an OS for tablets.

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I attended a speech by Bill Gates in the 1990's that talked how the future of the personal computer is tablets. It amazes me that Apple has so blown them out of the water in that regard. Apple is on their second generation tablet now, basically owns the entire market, yet Microsoft still has not released an OS for tablets.

Apple has the first-movers advantage on their side, plus the momentum from iPhone behind them. Unstoppable.

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And at 4% they seem to live in a very lonely world!

I think there fandroids are more than 4% so that means some of them might actually be buying an iPad.
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We all are enjoying the benefits of their Wintel hatred.

I am a huge windows hater, and I've even turned down work in the past if it involves anything to do with a windows machine. I only work on Macs, and I'm one of those people who has always bought Macs way before they became popular like they are today.

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Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

1) Made the first tablet that came with familiarity to an already popular device
2) Lucrative competition hasn't had time to respond to the market

The truth is Apple has successfully poked holes in consumers wallets over and over, convincing them that they are spending less and resulting in them spending more. "Well an iPad 2 is cheaper than a Macbook I'll buy it!" (spend $500) ...1 year later... "O well I have to buy iPad 3!" (spend $500) Congratulations Apple you have successfully tricked the consumer into spending $1000 still. Another example is the App Store, "O my gosh I can buy a game for .99c, thats worth it" ... $100 later ... "there's an app for everything I love this!" ... next credit card bill "I SPENT HOW MUCH ON APPS?!?!" What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.

I personally am annoyed by several things the iOS does as a whole.
1) No UI customization (I would like this because as much as Apple thinks everyone will be happy with the same design, I am not, I would like my upcoming events on the lock screen and not have to open the damn calendar app after I unlock the device)
2) Until I default to using the search everytime, I am looking at a cluster fuck of icons even if they are in folders! I think this picture appropriately reflects how I feel


So I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.

I think that concluding that Apple is taking advantage of people is a case of your giving Apple too much credit for their motivation combined with not giving people enough credit for their motivations and abilities to make decisions on how to spend their money. I suppose you could make good use of your life by crusading to enlighten people about how Apple Inc. is insidiously impoverishing them and that in return they get products that waste their time to boot.

I am glad to see that you have clearly identified your own reasons for not purchasing an iPad. Using the same clear logic, you can evaluate other options and choose which technologies you are going to spend money on that will give a good experience and bang for your buck in the long run. I think you might want to consider that what you find to be convenient and valuable might not be what others find to be convenient and valuable. I see some people using these boards add that "your mileage may vary" when stating their opinion. I think that would be a good thing to add to your post.

The way I look at the iOS interface is that it is a work in progress. Apple will probably change it as time goes by to balance peoples needs and preferences so that most people are satisfied. Doing that would lead to the greatest amount of sales and profit I think.
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Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

1) Made the first tablet that came with familiarity to an already popular device
2) Lucrative competition hasn't had time to respond to the market

The truth is Apple has successfully poked holes in consumers wallets over and over, convincing them that they are spending less and resulting in them spending more. "Well an iPad 2 is cheaper than a Macbook I'll buy it!" (spend $500) ...1 year later... "O well I have to buy iPad 3!" (spend $500) Congratulations Apple you have successfully tricked the consumer into spending $1000 still. Another example is the App Store, "O my gosh I can buy a game for .99c, thats worth it" ... $100 later ... "there's an app for everything I love this!" ... next credit card bill "I SPENT HOW MUCH ON APPS?!?!" What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.

I personally am annoyed by several things the iOS does as a whole.
1) No UI customization (I would like this because as much as Apple thinks everyone will be happy with the same design, I am not, I would like my upcoming events on the lock screen and not have to open the damn calendar app after I unlock the device)
2) Until I default to using the search everytime, I am looking at a cluster fuck of icons even if they are in folders! I think this picture appropriately reflects how I feel



So I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.

Well said.
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These Apple-haters are dumb a'holes. They'd rather buy a buggy, 2nd rate Android craplet with NO apps, poor battery life that crashes every minute than buy an iPad.

I can't possibly think of changing your mind about which device is best, and you are entitled to your opinion.

However, I don't understand why so many people here believe that someone has to be an "Apple Hater" to buy a non-Apple tablet. It's like saying I'm a Ford hater if I buy a Chevrolet.

The only people that stand to gain from iPad holding such a huge market share are Apple's shareholders. As consumers you lose because if there isn't competition in the market then there is no incentive for Apple to innovate and provide new features - just look at iPad 2 for evidence of that.
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Originally Posted by shavex View Post

Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

1) Made the first tablet that came with familiarity to an already popular device
2) Lucrative competition hasn't had time to respond to the market

Agreed.

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The truth is Apple has successfully poked holes in consumers wallets over and over, convincing them that they are spending less and resulting in them spending more. "Well an iPad 2 is cheaper than a Macbook I'll buy it!" (spend $500) ...1 year later... "O well I have to buy iPad 3!" (spend $500) Congratulations Apple you have successfully tricked the consumer into spending $1000 still. Another example is the App Store, "O my gosh I can buy a game for .99c, thats worth it" ... $100 later ... "there's an app for everything I love this!" ... next credit card bill "I SPENT HOW MUCH ON APPS?!?!" What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.

Wow, You make Apple look like a collection of scheming, cigar-smoking scoundrels, rubbing their greedy hands together saying to each other, "How can we dupe those idiot customers out of their money today? I know! Let's build them products they like and will use a lot!! And then let's improve the product each season, so that they buy more!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Look how EEEEVILLL we are!!!"
Perhaps it has not occurred to that a lot of customers actually find these products and apps useful! Like Motorola, Dell, Microsoft, HP, etc., Apple is a public, for-profit company. They exist for the purpose of making money, and they found a good formula for making lots of money. Not by "tricking" consumers, but by making products that consumers like and want to buy. Remember, Apple conceived of and designed the iPad as a consumer product, and yet it's got the attention of hospitals, schools, businesses, enterprise, even commercial airlines. Unlike Dell, Motorola, RIM, Samsung, et al, who have been touting their tablets as "professional business" devices, Apple has not been promoting the iPad as such, and yet the professional sector has expressed a lot of interest in the iPad. That can't be reasonably chalked up to "trickery" on Apple's part.

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I personally am annoyed by several things the iOS does as a whole.
1) No UI customization (I would like this because as much as Apple thinks everyone will be happy with the same design, I am not, I would like my upcoming events on the lock screen and not have to open the damn calendar app after I unlock the device)
2) Until I default to using the search everytime, I am looking at a cluster fuck of icons even if they are in folders! I think this picture appropriately reflects how I feel



So I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but clearly there are many working adults who disagree with you, and find the iPad to be a very productive and useful tool.
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That is so right. There is no way anyone other than an Apple hater would buy one of those other tablets. But I guess there was a time when the only people who bought macs were Wintel haters, and their sacrifice allowed Apple to survive to fight another day. We all are enjoying the benefits of their Wintel hatred. Who knows, maybe one of these makers of sucky Android tablets will be kept alive by the Apple hate and someday make a product that I'd actually want to buy. Stranger things have happened...

Good post. Reality check if needed.
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As consumers you lose because if there isn't competition in the market then there is no incentive for Apple to innovate and provide new features - just look at iPad 2 for evidence of that.

When you say this, its as if you know what is possible, what Apple could have done. You don't. You don't know that they are under-providing features and abilities that would sell. It's just ridiculous.
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Xoom is beginning to sound an awful lot like Zune!!!!
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Xoom is beginning to sound an awful lot like Zune!!!!

As I said to Skater... it's spelled "Xoon".
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blah blah blah GIANT PICURE! ...



... those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up ....

Wah, wah, wah!

It's pretty obvious who's not being an adult here (and insulting to boot).

In case you hadn't noticed those pictures are not the same at all.

One is a sea of unrelated documents that are impossible to tell apart, ... the other is a field of app buttons, each quite easy to tell apart.

One is a result of a poor UI design that encourages clutter, (indeed it's the default state) ... the other is the result of a good UI design that enforces a bit of order.

I could go on but is it worth it talking to someone as obviously close-minded as you seem to be?
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Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

1) Made the first tablet that came with familiarity to an already popular device
2) Lucrative competition hasn't had time to respond to the market

1) Tablet PCs have been around for years, running Windows. Microsoft's entire pitch is based the familiarity. More people are familiar with Windows than iOS. By that measure, Apple is a decade late to the party, and yet the only one that most people even know about.

Other companies have had scattered tablet-like devices that failed. I recall Nokia touchscreen web-browsing-things a few years ago. (I wouldn't have wanted one if it was free...)

2) "Lucrative" means making money. That's a circular argument; they aren't lucrative because they have a small market share.

If you mean large companies with the resources to compete, you don't consider Google, Samsung, Motorola, Dell, Asus, etc. to be capable?

But if it's all about the resources, why wouldn't Microsoft also be considered, they were far bigger *and* earlier to market.

I will concede that HP and WebOS look very impressive, ans is still not released.

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I attended a speech by Bill Gates in the 1990's that talked how the future of the personal computer is tablets. It amazes me that Apple has so blown them out of the water in that regard. Apple is on their second generation tablet now, basically owns the entire market, yet Microsoft still has not released an OS for tablets.

The problem is that too many "visionaries" (Gates included) think PC-in-a-Tablet. I think Apple's primary innovation in the iPad is recognition that legacy PC features are actually anti-features to most users and to the tablet form factor.

What are most of the biggest iPad complaints? No USB, no SD Card, no removable battery, not upgradeable, "inferior" specs, etc. These are all things that are relevant to a desktop PC, but have no mainstream use case in a tablet, and make the overall package worse.
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Quite honestly I think these reports are a joke. Of COURSE Apple has a majority of the market! Mainly two reasons so:

The truth is Apple has successfully poked holes in consumers wallets over and over, convincing them that they are spending less and resulting in them spending more. "Well an iPad 2 is cheaper than a Macbook I'll buy it!" (spend $500) ...1 year later... "O well I have to buy iPad 3!" (spend $500) Congratulations Apple you have successfully tricked the consumer into spending $1000 still. Another example is the App Store, "O my gosh I can buy a game for .99c, thats worth it" ... $100 later ... "there's an app for everything I love this!" ... next credit card bill "I SPENT HOW MUCH ON APPS?!?!" What we are really seeing is Apple taking advantage of ignorant people, which as from the numbers, 82% is a lot.
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I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.


Talk about bias and lack of objectivity!

When an iOS device outsells its competitors the haters say they're bought by ignorant sheep.
When Android outsells iOS the haters state Android is more popular than iOS.

I've found Apple products immensely useful over the years, as a shareholder I'm glad how more and more people are realising how they can be useful for them too.
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So I will PROUDLY not buy an iPad because it's not practical to being an efficient and effective tool, its a sit down and play a game toy which is good for children but those of you who consider yourselves working adults will need to grow up and get something more productive and mature and will have support for more than 3 years.

I can't believe I read this post twice and looked at the picture a few times trying to reconcile your "narrative" with the picture.

Are you sure you are speaking English?
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