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New pictures claimed to be "mold engineering drawings" of Apple's anticipated iPhone 5 shows the alleged next-generation handset with the same form factor as the iPhone 4, but with a slightly larger edge-to-edge display.

The images from iDealsChina are rumored to be used by engineers to create cases to sell for the iPhone 5. Of late, third-party cases for devices like the iPhone and iPad have offered hints at the design of unannounced products.

"A while back we [heard] rumors that [the] iPhone 5 would have a curved back," the site reads, "but these images show iPhone 5 with the same form factor as iPhone 4 but with an edge to edge screen."

The rest of the case shows the design of the alleged iPhone 5 largely unchanged from the iPhone 4. If accurate, that would dispel a recent rumor that Apple plans to ditch the glass back and opt for an aluminum backing.

The designs also support a separate rumor from the Far East that Apple will expand the screen size of its next-generation handset. While the iPhone 4 sports a 3.5-inch display with a resolution of 960 by 640 pixels, some designs have shown a potential 4-inch screen squeezed onto an iPhone with the same size.
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Larger screen with same resolution would be cool and easy to implement. I do love the current design. But after seeing some of the recent rumored sketches of iPhone 5 with a liquid metal back in a shape similar to iPad2 I started to get really excited for that implementation.
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hmmmmmm.....ahhhhhhhh.....yeaaaaaaa... NOT likely....

New Screen size = Re-written apps to accommodate that new screen. The current apps on the app store are still trying to upgrade to retina display.

If that is the case then we know the iPod Touch will get a bigger screen too.

I think its just a dream
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post #4 of 53
its not that much larger...
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Apple does not share pre-release product design information with case manufacturers. They have to wait like the rest of us.

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hmmmmmm.....ahhhhhhhh.....yeaaaaaaa... NOT likely....

New Screen size = Re-written apps to accommodate that new screen. The current apps on the app store are still trying to upgrade to retina display.

If that is the case then we know the iPod Touch will get a bigger screen too.

I think its just a dream

It would be a larger screen with the same resolution. No apps will need to re-written. I expect the iPhone 5 to be like this engineering drawing, it's not just a dream.
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Did it ever occur to anyone that instead of a larger screen, they simply made the iPhone 5 narrower than the iPhone 4? The screen could be exactly the same- only the body would shrink. I can't see making those few mm wider really having much an effect on screen real estate, but it would make a big difference if the phone where narrower.

Just sayin'...
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Would it still be a "retina display" if the ppi goes down from making the screen bigger?
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Would it still be a "retina display" if the ppi goes down from making the screen bigger?

The iPhone 5 sketch seems to have approximately a 3.7" screen. And Apple could go up to 3.845" and maintain the "retina" display (300ppi or more).
http://www.macstories.net/news/alleg...bigger-screen/

IMHO based on these rumors a ~3.8" "retina" display with the same resolution (960x640) and the same overall handset dimensions seems like the safest bet so far.

Even though I would like to see Apple change the aspect ratio of the display (longer, but same width to maintain at least easy 1:1 pixel backwards compatibility) or up the resolution (in combination with a >4" display), I don't think that's in the cards just one year after the introduction of the retina display (keep in mind that not all apps support the retina display resolution yet).
post #10 of 53
A screen size change via edge to edge in the same body style just doesn't excite me much. New or improved features is where it is at. And, when will we have a new iPhone?

post #11 of 53
There is some market pressure on Apple from Android phones with slightly larger screens, up to 4". Yet I keep looking at those and thinking that I don't want to stuff them in my pocket.

If I were Appleand let it be noted that they have not been beating a path to my door for sage adviceI don't think I'd be seeing a need for a physically smaller faceplate on the iPhone5. After all, the iPhone4 is already the most compact smartphone on the market. And a smaller iPhone5 would also mean less room inside for the guts, and especially for the battery.

On the other hand expanding the usable screen size, while keeping the same pixel count and within similar faceplate dimensions, seem like a no-brainer as long as it's able to be manufactured. The screen gets a bit bigger and easier to see or type onwhat's not to like? Incremental change, but in a good direction.
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I'd love a rounded aluminum design more akin to iPad 2. With metal buttons.
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I’d be happy if it would sync *all* the contact info from my AddressBook! For example, I keep the names of students’ parents in my Mac’s address book. We’re up to IOS 4.3 and it still doesn't sync this information to the iPhone. [Face-palm.]
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I'd love a rounded aluminum design more akin to iPad 2. With metal buttons.

Agree, the only thing I hate about my iphone 4 is how the square shape feels in the hand.
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A broadly curved back is a bad idea in my opinion, when you set it on a desk, tapping on controls will make the screen wobble. With the curved back, you need the second hand to hold it steady. Some curve to make it easy on the hands when held would be nice. It looks like the iPad 2 balances both needs reasonably well.

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It would be a larger screen with the same resolution. No apps will need to re-written.

I agree. It seems interesting and I don't think the devs need to do anything.

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Would it still be a "retina display" if the ppi goes down from making the screen bigger?

The difference is marginal. It's close enough to 300ppi that most people won't notice but might have better usability with buttons having a little more space.
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Yet another unsubstantiated leak simply to keep people talking about Apple.
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Yet another unsubstantiated leak simply to keep people talking about Apple.

This is a rumor site... that's kind of the point, isn't it?
post #18 of 53
That's more realistic and more plausible.

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post #19 of 53
Analyzing the first picture we can calculate that the screen aspect ratio is different from all the iPhones coming from Apple (1.57 vs 1.5). It might seem a small difference but it is still bigger than any possible error in image analysis, and would imply something like 1000-by-640 resolution vs the current 960-by-640. Considering Apples history it is highly unlikely that they would change the aspect ratio of the iPhone screen, so it seems to me that this is probably a fake!
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Id be happy if it would sync *all* the contact info from my AddressBook! For example, I keep the names of students parents in my Macs address book. Were up to IOS 4.3 and it still doesn't sync this information to the iPhone. [Face-palm.]

Sounds like you have something setup wrong in iTunes.
Personally, I use MobileMe, and never have to think about it. I make a change in one place, and it eventually gets to the other. This works across my Mac, iPad, and iPhone, and keeps iCal, Address Book, Safari Bookmarks, & Notes in sync.
The only issue I had with this was when I received my first iPhone, I had sync setup in iTunes, and also via MobileMe. I ended up with two of everything. I now sync only via MobileMe.

As far as the next iPhone is concerned, I am happy with the size as it is. I would be interested in a scratch-proof metal back, and would like to see the antenna issue fixed. Even with a case, I notice some internet-based games have problems if I hold the phone the wrong way. Oh, and 64GB Flash, so I can load my whole music library. I never want to think about what I am going to listen to BEFORE I leave home. I want to decide on the fly.
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Id be happy if it would sync *all* the contact info from my AddressBook! For example, I keep the names of students parents in my Macs address book. Were up to IOS 4.3 and it still doesn't sync this information to the iPhone. [Face-palm.]



Are you sure you don't have this unchecked? All my contacts synced the first time I synced my iPhone, but I use mobileme now anyway.
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hmmmmmm.....ahhhhhhhh.....yeaaaaaaa... NOT likely....

New Screen size = Re-written apps to accommodate that new screen. The current apps on the app store are still trying to upgrade to retina display.

If that is the case then we know the iPod Touch will get a bigger screen too.

I think its just a dream

New screen size doesn't mean new screen resolution. Same pixels in a larger display.

And there was little rewrite to existing apps required. iOS automatically resized the user interface to fit. Only if there was a need to use those additional pixel would there be a reason to rewrite anything. Photo apps perhaps.
post #23 of 53
Your fingers will cover a bit of the screen.
post #24 of 53
All this engineering drawing suggests is that the glass is edge-to-edge. The display may not be any larger than it is now.
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Agree, the only thing I hate about my iphone 4 is how the square shape feels in the hand.

I disagree. I find that the current form of the iPhone 4 with the flat square edges to be quite comfortable and easy to hold with one hand while making calls etc. Maybe the round edges are better when holding a bigger device like the iPad when you use two hands all the time, but I would not like that for a phone. My opinion anyway. What I would like to see is the home button be moved to te lower right hand corner of the phone. This would allow for a larger screen while keeping the phone the same size. Plus it would be easier to press with one hand and could double as a camera button. Again, just opinion.
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post #27 of 53
I'm in the market for the iPhone 5. So bring it on Apple. 3.7 to 4 screen on the same sized form factor. Edge-to-edge screen sounds great to me. And add a 64 GB storage config while you're at it.
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Are you sure you don't have this unchecked? All my contacts synced the first time I synced my iPhone, but I use mobileme now anyway.

I think he's saying not that it's missing contacts, but it's not copying over the field in which he keeps the parent names of each student, which I suspect he has in a notes field.
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A broadly curved back is a bad idea in my opinion, when you set it on a desk, tapping on controls will make the screen wobble. With the curved back, you need the second hand to hold it steady. Some curve to make it easy on the hands when held would be nice. It looks like the iPad 2 balances both needs reasonably well.



I agree. It seems interesting and I don't think the devs need to do anything.



The difference is marginal. It's close enough to 300ppi that most people won't notice but might have better usability with buttons having a little more space.

The apparent rez difference wouldn't be a big deal. I find my iPhone 4 to be sharper than required now. But the slightly larger screen will be easier to read, and typing would be easier as well, with more speed, and less errors. Both advantages are worthwhile. I don't like the bigger phones, as they seem clumsy in my not very large hands. If Apple can do this without increasing the size, then it would be great.

We should remember that a screen without the need of a large bezel around it for the electronics came out last year. So this isn't an impossibility.
post #30 of 53
What if the screen was the same size but the phone was smaller? I don't profess to know anything; I'm just saying...
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I disagree. I find that the current form of the iPhone 4 with the flat square edges to be quite comfortable and easy to hold with one hand while making calls etc. Maybe the round edges are better when holding a bigger device like the iPad when you use two hands all the time, but I would not like that for a phone. My opinion anyway. What I would like to see is the home button be moved to te lower right hand corner of the phone. This would allow for a larger screen while keeping the phone the same size. Plus it would be easier to press with one hand and could double as a camera button. Again, just opinion.

It's got to be in the middle. People are both right and left-handed. What is better for one group, is worse for the other.
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It's got to be in the middle. People are both right and left-handed. What is better for one group, is worse for the other.

And lets not forget that Apple is not a big fan of asymmetry. It would be a lop-sided design. Jony Ive would never lower himself to this aesthetic.
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It's got to be in the middle. People are both right and left-handed. What is better for one group, is worse for the other.

I know this, that's why I said is was my opinion. Plus it would be just as easy to push with the ring finger of the left hand. Apple usually knows what is best through their research. Brainstorming never hurt anything
post #34 of 53
they better find a system that when you hold it you don't accidentaly touch the edges with options.
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I know this, that's why I said is was my opinion. Plus it would be just as easy to push with the ring finger of the left hand. Apple usually knows what is best through their research. Brainstorming never hurt anything

No, it never hurts. I just gave you my opinion in return as someone who has designed products.
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No, it never hurts. I just gave you my opinion in return as someone who has designed products.

And I'm a mechanical engineer. I know about design as well.
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And I'm a mechanical engineer. I know about design as well.

He just wants to be argumentative today, RedRaider. I see he's apparently on the warpath and imposing his views (as fact) on everyone today. Now I don't feel so singled out. It sounds to me like someone needs to take a long lunch break, go get some fresh air and come back with a refreshed perspective.
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All this engineering drawing suggests is that the glass is edge-to-edge. The display may not be any larger than it is now.

The glass is already edge to edge in the iP4. It sure is the display. And it makes a lot of sense. It's the only option to enlarge the display without tampering with the devices size. What in my opinon is an absolute no go.
post #39 of 53
Yes please!!!!!!
post #40 of 53
My inside informant says those are drawings from a Chinese design student working on an iPhone 4 knock-off.
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