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How many people reading this know what difference is between exposure, dose and dose equivalent?

I really don't but I saw this ever so cool radiation chart a few days ago.
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post #162 of 179
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I haven't seen this video yet on Chernoble/ will watch when have time. Anyone seen it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o
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post #163 of 179
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I really don't but I saw this ever so cool radiation chart a few days ago.

Even that's wrong. It says the unit of absorbed dose is the Sievert (Sv) when in fact absorbed dose is the Gray (Gy) and Sievert is dose equivalent.

That's a really cool chart though.
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"The isotope, cesium 137, was measured in one village by the International Atomic Energy Agency at a level exceeding the standard that the Soviet Union used as a gauge to recommend abandoning land surrounding the Chernobyl reactor, and at another location not precisely identified by the agency at more than double the Soviet standard.

The international team, using a measure of radioactivity called the becquerel, found as much as 3.7 million becquerels per square meter; the standard used at Chernobyl was 1.48 million.

Japan, experts noted, is far more densely settled than the Chernobyl region of Ukraine, where a reactor explosion in 1986 contaminated large areas.

Hidehiko Nishiyama, deputy director general of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, said Wednesday that seawater collected about 300 yards from the Fukushima Daiichi station was found to contain iodine 131 at 3,355 times the safety standard. On Sunday, a test a mile north showed 1,150 times the maximum level, and a test the day before showed 1,250 times the limit in seawater taken from a monitoring station at the plant."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/wo...apan.html?_r=1


"Previous readings there were 1,250 times the legal maximum on Friday, 1,850 times the limit on Saturday and 3,355 times the limit on Tuesday."
~ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-new-high.html





"Chernobyl Cleanup Survivor's Message for Japan: 'Run Away as Quickly as Possible'

AOL News: What was your first reaction when you heard about Fukushima?

Manzurova: It felt like déjÃ* vu. I felt so worried for the people of Japan and the children especially. I know the experience that awaits them."
~ http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/22/ch...n-away-as-qui/


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"The country's nuclear and industrial safety agency, Nisa, said on Thursday radioactive iodine at 4,385 times the legal limit had been identified in the sea near the plant, although officials have yet to determine how it got there. On Wednesday the measurement had been 3,355 times the legal limit."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...eactors-failed
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post #165 of 179
Nuclear Problem: Fixed!

Y'all can quit worrying about all this supposed radiation. The EPA is going to fix the problem for good.

"According to PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, the new standards would drastically raise the levels of radiation allowed in food, water, air, and the general environment. PEER, a national organization of local, state, and federal employees who had access to internal EPA emails, claims that the new standards will result in a "nearly 1000 fold increase for exposure to Strontium 90, a 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to Iodine 131; and an almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive Nickel 63" in drinking water" .

"The Air is Safe to Breathe, and the Water is Safe to Drink". Haven't we all heard THAT before?
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post #166 of 179
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Nuclear Problem: Fixed!

Y'all can quit worrying about all this supposed radiation. The EPA is going to fix the problem for good.

"According to PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, the new standards would drastically raise the levels of radiation allowed in food, water, air, and the general environment. PEER, a national organization of local, state, and federal employees who had access to internal EPA emails, claims that the new standards will result in a "nearly 1000 fold increase for exposure to Strontium 90, a 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to Iodine 131; and an almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive Nickel 63" in drinking water" .

"The Air is Safe to Breathe, and the Water is Safe to Drink". Haven't we all heard THAT before?

Meaningless hysterics. Are they going to start adding Sr 90 to the food? Scientist really can't tell you what a safe level of radiation is. Some studies suggest that a low level of radiation is good for you. Go check the raging debate over the linear no threshold model. Often low radiation levels are lobbied for by people that make their living off of limiting radiation exposure. Either because they want to cash in or want to puff their chest out as having done something to make things "safer".
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Nuclear Problem: Fixed!

Y'all can quit worrying about all this supposed radiation. The EPA is going to fix the problem for good.

"According to PEER (Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, the new standards would drastically raise the levels of radiation allowed in food, water, air, and the general environment. PEER, a national organization of local, state, and federal employees who had access to internal EPA emails, claims that the new standards will result in a "nearly 1000 fold increase for exposure to Strontium 90, a 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to Iodine 131; and an almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive Nickel 63" in drinking water" .

"The Air is Safe to Breathe, and the Water is Safe to Drink". Haven't we all heard THAT before?

They must getting ready for the next generation of nuke plants.
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post #168 of 179
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"Tokyo Electric knew that the amount of radiation in seawater was 7.5 million times the legal limit even before it started dumping radioactive water in the ocean on Monday. "The unstoppable radioactive discharge into the Pacific has prompted experts to sound the alarm, as cesium, which has a much longer half-life than iodine, is expected to concentrate in the upper food chain," reports Japan Times, prompting fears that all of Japan's seafood could be declared unsafe. Here is a chart showing the damaged nuclear plant's problems with radioactive water."
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post #169 of 179
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It was confidential-

"United States government engineers sent to help with the crisis in Japan are warning that the troubled nuclear plant there is facing a wide array of fresh threats that could persist indefinitely, and that in some cases are expected to increase as a result of the very measures being taken to keep the plant stable, according to a confidential assessment prepared by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission."
~ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/wo...r.html?_r=1&hp

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"(Reuters) - The core at Japan's Fukushima nuclear reactor has melted through the reactor pressure vessel, Democratic Congressman Edward Markey told a hearing on the nuclear disaster on Wednesday.

"I have been informed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that the core of Unit Two has gotten so hot that part of it has probably melted through the reactor pressure vessel," said Markey, a prominent nuclear critic in the House of Representatives."
~ http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7353Y820110406
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post #170 of 179
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"Solar panel installations may surge in the next two years as the cost of generating electricity from the sun rivals coal-fueled plants, industry executives and analysts said.

Large photovoltaic projects will cost $1.45 a watt to build by 2020, half the current price, Bloomberg New Energy Finance estimated today. The London-based research company says solar is viable against fossil fuels on the electric grid in the most sunny regions such as the Middle East.

We are already in this phase change and are very close to grid parity, Shawn Qu, chief executive officer of Canadian Solar Inc. (CSIQ), said in an interview. In many markets, solar is already competitive with peak electricity prices, such as in California and Japan.

Chinese companies such as JA Solar Holdings Ltd., Canadian Solar and Yingli Green Energy Holding Co. are making panels cheaper, fueled by better cell technology and more streamlined manufacturing processes. Thats making solar economical in more places and will put it in competition with coal, without subsidies, in the coming years, New Energy Finance said.

The most powerful driver in our industry is the relentless reduction of cost, Michael Liebreich, chief executive officer of New Energy Finance, said at the companys annual conference in New York yesterday. In a decade the cost of solar projects is going to halve again.

Installation of solar PV systems will almost double to 32.6 gigawatts by 2013 from 18.6 gigawatts last year, New Energy Finance estimates. Manufacturing capacity worldwide has almost quadrupled since 2008 to 27.5 gigawatts, and 12 gigawatts of production will be added this year. Canadian Solar has about 1.3 gigawatts of capacity and expects to reach 2 gigawatts next year, Qu said.

You have to get better at it as well, said Bill Gallo, CEO of Areva SA (CEI)s solar unit. The French company could shave another 20 percent from the cost of making its concentrating solar thermal technology, and the same proportion from building and deploying plants, he said.

Electricity from coal costs about 7 cents a kilowatt hour compared with 6 cents for natural gas and 22.3 cents for solar photovoltaic energy in the final quarter of last year, according to New Energy Finance estimates.

Comparisons often overstate the costs of solar because they may take into account the prices paid by consumers and small businesses who install roof-top power systems, instead of the rates utilities charge each other, said Qu of Canadian Solar.

Solar isnt expensive, he said In many areas of the solar industry youre competing with retail power, not wholesale power.

Rooftop solar installations also will become cheaper, the executives said.

System costs have declined 5 percent to 8 percent (a year), and we will continue to see that, SolarCity Inc. CEO Lyndon Rive said in an interview. The Foster City, California- based company is a closely held installer and owner of rooftop power systems."
~ http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tion-boom.html
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post #171 of 179
The Fukushima disaster has been raised to a Level 7, same as Chernobyl... No radiation data provided.

The government- and TEPCO - have been pretty bad with clearing this up. The media is ripping them apart, but they remain arrogant. Kan seems intent on making GW look intelligent...

 

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post #172 of 179
Saw the conditions for the workers at the nuclear plant. TEPCO is not treating them well at all and there is a risk of exhaustion and disease, both of which could cause a mistake that could threaten the planet.

They sleep on thin foam mats. Good for a night or two while backpacking, but rather painful over a long period.

They have only instant foods.

They have no baths or showers.

 

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post #173 of 179
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Saw the conditions for the workers at the nuclear plant. TEPCO is not treating them well at all and there is a risk of exhaustion and disease, both of which could cause a mistake that could threaten the planet.

They sleep on thin foam mats. Good for a night or two while backpacking, but rather painful over a long period.

They have only instant foods.

They have no baths or showers.

That is a shameful way to treat people working on what they are working on. However, it may be a cultural thing.
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post #174 of 179
It certainly is a company thing.

This whole charade has been interesting and worrisome to watch.

 

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post #175 of 179
More hysterics from Bergermeister.


Certainly in the middle of melt down the company should have sent Martha Stewart in to make house.
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More hysterics from Bergermeister.


Certainly in the middle of melt down the company should have sent Martha Stewart in to make house.

I am going to disagree here. Bergermeister has not been showing hysterics. And if he is correct the least this company could do is bring in cots and ensure sleep to cut down on human error as much as possible.
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post #177 of 179
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More hysterics from Bergermeister.


Certainly in the middle of melt down the company should have sent Martha Stewart in to make house.

I can just see a new Fukushima Collection
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post #178 of 179
Many thousands of people have been evacuated from the area and will not be allowed to return home for at least 6 months. Farmers from the area will be unable to farm this year, possibly more. Livestock is dying from starvation because farmers have been evacuated. The workers (upon whom we all depend to clear this) are enduring difficult conditions at the plant.

Then there was the tsunami (though the media treats it now like a footnote). Thousands died. Thousands are still missing and presumed dead. Thousands are still homeless. Thousands are dealing with shock, perhaps even PTSD. Entire villages have been erased. Livelihoods destroyed. Children orphaned.

And Martha Stewart comes in to the conversation?

 

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Many thousands of people have been evacuated from the area and will not be allowed to return home for at least 6 months. Farmers from the area will be unable to farm this year, possibly more. Livestock is dying from starvation because farmers have been evacuated. The workers (upon whom we all depend to clear this) are enduring difficult conditions at the plant.

Then there was the tsunami (though the media treats it now like a footnote). Thousands died. Thousands are still missing and presumed dead. Thousands are still homeless. Thousands are dealing with shock, perhaps even PTSD. Entire villages have been erased. Livelihoods destroyed. Children orphaned.

And Martha Stewart comes in to the conversation?

Think yourself lucky, GW and it's "Globalists Wankers"...or is it backwards, like they are..."World Government"?
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