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Your thoughts?
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Your thoughts?

A good diversion to bring up when getting shelled for lack of perspective on nuclear power....

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A good diversion to bring up when getting shelled for lack of perspective on nuclear power....

Hey Mr t!

Long time no see.

I took you off ignore to read your post. Quite thrilled you replied too.

I'm not sure if your like DD. Care to vote?

I think dd's a bit like the nuclear issue. The jews were pretty much nuked by hate.

Maybe that's what you intended to say?
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I think dd's a bit like the nuclear issue.

No, they aren't remotely similar.

I quickly looked up DD, and quite rightly, you came to a reasoned, well judged decision that the guy is one of lifes major league assholes. Im sure there are many wingers here who wouldn't come to that conclusion. I dont think we need guess who...
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Hey Mr t!

Long time no see.

I took you off ignore to read your post. Quite thrilled you replied too.

I'm not sure if your like DD. Care to vote?

I think dd's a bit like the nuclear issue. The jews were pretty much nuked by hate.

Maybe that's what you intended to say?

I don't like him but that also doesn't mean I like people who cynically give someone like him time and attention to divert from proper issues. David Duke is a nobody who has amounted to nothing had had no impact on anything.

Farm land lies fallow in California due to radical environmental perspectives.
Massive solar projects are mired in courts unable to be built or come online due to concern about a tortoise.

I have more to fear from the minnow and the tortoise than I do David Duke and is true for you and everyone else as well.

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I don't like him but that also doesn't mean I like people who cynically give someone like him time and attention to divert from proper issues. David Duke is a nobody who has amounted to nothing had had no impact on anything.

Farm land lies fallow in California due to radical environmental perspectives.
Massive solar projects are mired in courts unable to be built or come online due to concern about a tortoise.

I have more to fear from the minnow and the tortoise than I do David Duke and is true for you and everyone else as well.

Maybe. I certainly hope you're right. I'm not so confident...why are you so sure?
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Good vids are to be found at rense.com i highly reccomend people watch them.

I'll provide links later:

They deserve comment.

Feel free to go there and watch them in the mean time.

David duke is not to be feared he is to be examined, like any other species.
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This thread seems out of left field. Has David Duke done something recently where he's in the news again that makes this a relevant and timely question?

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This thread seems out of left field. Has David Duke done something recently where he's in the news again that makes this a relevant and timely question?

Not that I am aware of...
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Maybe. I certainly hope you're right. I'm not so confident...why are you so sure?

It's called history and numbers.

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It could be a very interesting discussion - but it won't be. Because of the people who would get involved. But nevertheless, there are many interesting points surrounding.

I'll outline a few and then bugger off:

1) If someone is 'blacklisted' then anything they say cannot be 'true' or even thought about. But yet they could say something true amongst their hate.

If someone is 'whitelisted' then anything they say cannot be 'false' or even thought about. But yet they could say something false.

'Whitelisted' people might include - say - the Dalai Lama. 'Blacklisted' might include Duke or Bush.

2) Right-wingers of a certain type - not necessarily extremists - have a policy and agenda: it involves not caring what the truth is. Or perhaps twisting it so black is white, hot is cold etc.

We see it every day on these forums. There are many of this type here.

Duke is also one - he goes to Iran and Syria because he hates Jews and hopes to foment the same hatred there or play on existing conflicts.

You see it also in the Racist parties like the BNP and EDL - they wave Israeli flags and support Israel (though they are themselves racists) because they can leverage the hatred and conflict for the Arabs there.

In the process we all lose the power of defining and seeing clear allegiances. That is the point..... it is another means of control and it transcends Left or Right. It is just control and power...

3) A quote from Duke:

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From the earliest times that I can remember, I have been a believing Christian. My father is a devout Christian who taught me about the salvation that Jesus Christ offers and about His lessons for living.

My experience of being a renewed Christian had a profound impact not only on my Christian beliefs, but also on my secular ones, for it seemed I saw everything in a fresh light.

I knew that the New Testament offered a new Covenant that included salvation for all. A few years after my baptism, as I reread the Old Testament in light of increased understanding of the Jews, I fully recognized its radical ethnocentrism. The Old Testament describes the history of one nationality, one people: the Israelites, who were designated as a special people, a “chosen people"..... Life and death struggles between the Israelites and the Cannanites, Jacobites, Philistines, Amalakites, Assyrians, Egyptians, and dozens of other peoples are recorded exhaustively. As I’ve mentioned in my chapter on Jewish supremacism, I was quite surprised and dismayed by the genocide that I continued to find many more verses of the Bible (such as Joshua 6:211 and 10:28-10:41)2, detailing the slaughter of entire peoples.

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Ie: his racists views are derived from the Bible.

He is absolutely correct in this IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE. It's not a matter of interpretation or selective reading - if you take the OT (as opposed to the new - ie the Jewish scripture) and believe it is God's word this is what it says and if it is correct then Duke is correct.....in as much as he claims to be repulsed by the slaughter and genocide outlined there as 'moral' and in as much as he objects to it and evolves a different paradigm which most Christians do not. They just continue to claim it is 'God's word' and then forget it and never discuss it.

4) A quote from WIki

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Duke has claimed that thousands of Tea Party movement activists have urged him to run for president in 2012 and he is seriously considering entering the Republican Party primaries.

No comment needed.

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What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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post #12 of 17
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Thanks for the replies.

I'm really just trying to understand why people like him believe what they do and what it is they believe, and how much truth there is to those beliefs. I'd come across videos of his on youtube recently and found them surprisingly compelling. Videos often are though if you have only limited knowledge of the subject matter and so I started this thread to draw a wider picture. Just like the Japan thread had some finger pointing unsavory posts, this doesn't mean that you should think I like DD. I have some Jewish blood and despise all racial hatred. I'm hoping this thread will serve to educate me and anyone else here regarding his positions and how they influence people, not create more hate.


You can click the link at the top left of the video for more of his videos. Feel free to pick any and post them here to discuss them- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuXIozVW5e4


-It's a critical time in Japan, so in the coming days I may well only have limited time to respond to any comments, but hope to at least read them in the mean time.
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"A row over the decision by a leading New York university to refuse playwright Tony Kushner an honorary degree due to accusations he was too critical of Israel has deepened as several high profile honorary degree holders renounced their own awards.

Kushner, who wrote the Pulitzer prize-winning Paul Angels in America, was set to get an honorary degree from John Jay College, a campus of City University of New York. But his name was removed from a list of other intended recipients after a CUNY trustee, pro-Israel activist Jeffrey Wiesenfeld, spoke out against it.

Wiesenfeld accused Kushner of being critical of the Israeli army, supportive of a boycott of the country and of saying that Israel had been founded partly as a result of ethnic cleansing. In an open letter to CUNY Kushner responded angrily, denying the allegations, accusing Wiesenfeld of slander and saying he was "proud to be Jewish".

Meanwhile, the decision was condemned even by CUNY's own faculty union. Union president Dr Barbara Bowen said the vote to not give Kushner an award was "perverse" and aimed at cutting off genuine political and intellectual debate at the university. "The trustees' craven decision is an offence against open intellectual discussion and freedom of thought. It dishonors our university, and the values for which we ought to stand," she said.

Ironically, people being persecuted for their political views figures in the play and is also a re-occurring theme elsewhere in his work.
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2011...nounce-degrees
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Hey Mr t!

Long time no see.

I took you off ignore to read your post. Quite thrilled you replied too.

I'm not sure if your like DD. Care to vote?

I think dd's a bit like the nuclear issue. The jews were pretty much nuked by hate.

Maybe that's what you intended to say?

Why do you bring up the Jews right away? Are you a damned bigot?
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Why do you bring up the Jews right away? Are you a damned bigot?

"It all started in August 2007, on a family holiday in New England. Paul had been watching Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix with his wife and two sons, and he had started to itch. His legs, his arms, his torso it was everywhere. It must be fleas in the seat, he decided.

But the 55-year-old IT executive from Birmingham has been itching ever since, and the mystery of what is wrong with him has only deepened. When Paul rubbed his fingertips over the pimples that dotted his skin, he felt spines. Weird, alien things, like splinters. Then, in 2008, his wife was soothing his back with surgical spirit when the cotton swab she was using gathered a curious blue-black haze from his skin. Paul went out, bought a £40 microscope and examined the cotton. What were those curling, coloured fibres? He Googled the words: "Fibres. Itch. Sting. Skin." And there was his answer. It must be: all the symptoms fitted. He had a new disease called morgellons. The fibres were the product of mysterious creatures that burrow and breed in the body. As he read on, he had no idea that morgellons would turn out to be the worst kind of answer imaginable.

Morgellons was named in 2001 by an American called Mary Leitao, whose son complained of sores around his mouth and the sensation of "bugs". Examining him with a toy microscope, Leitao found him to be covered in unexplained red, blue, black and white fibres. Since then, workers at her Morgellons Research Foundation say they have been contacted by more than 12,000 affected families. Campaign group the Charles E Holman Foundation states there are sufferers in "every continent except Antarctica". Thousands have written to Congress demanding action. In response, more than 40 senators, including Hillary Clinton, John McCain and a*pre-presidential Barack Obama, pressured the Centres For Disease Control And Prevention (CDC) to investigate; in 2006, it formed a special taskforce, setting aside $1m to study the condition. Sufferers include folk singer Joni Mitchell, who has complained of "this weird incurable disease that seems like it's from outer space... Fibres in a variety of colours protrude out of my skin: they cannot be forensically identified as animal, vegetable or mineral. Morgellons is a*slow, unpredictable killer a*terrorist disease. It will blow up one of your organs, leaving you in bed for a year."

So it's new, frightening and profoundly odd. But if you were to seek the view of the medical establishment, you'd find the strangest fact about this disease: morgellons doesn't exist.

I meet Paul in a pub in a Birmingham suburb. He shows me pictures he's collected of his fibres. On his laptop, a grim parade of images flicks past. There are sores, scabs and nasal hairs, each magnified by a factor of 200. In each photo there is a tiny coloured fibre on or in his skin.

"Is it an excrement?" he asks. "A byproduct? A structure they live in?" A waitress passes with a*tray of salad as he points to an oozing wound. "Is it a breathing pipe?"

Paul absent-mindedly digs his nails into a lesion just below the hem of his shorts. Little red welts pepper his legs and arms, some dulled to a waxy maroon, others just plasticky-white scar tissue.

He has seen an array of experts GPs, allergy doctors, infectious diseases clinicians and dermatologists. Most end up agreeing with the skin specialist to whom he first took samples of his fibre-stained cotton: his sores are self-inflicted and he suffers from delusions of parasitosis (DOP), a psychiatric condition in which people falsely believe themselves to be infested. This particular form of DOP is thought to be unique, in that it's spread through the internet. Whereas in the past, episodes of mass hysteria were limited to small communities perhaps the most famous being the witch panic in Salem, Massachusetts in the 1690s today, imagined symptoms can spread much farther on the web.

Paul is not convinced by this diagnosis. He carries an alcohol hand gel everywhere he goes, has four showers a day and steam-cleans his clothes. The stress leaves him exhausted, short-tempered. He has difficulty concentrating or applying himself at work. His lowest points have been "pretty much feeling like ending it. Thinking, could I go through with it? Probably. It's associated with the times the medical profession have dismissed me. It's just I can't see myself living for ever with this."

Has he mentioned these thoughts to his doctor?

"No, because talking about things like that adds a mental angle supports the prognosis of DOP. And it's absolutely a physical condition. I mean, look!"

The evidence on his computer does appear convincing. Much thinner than his body hair, the fibres seem to be protruding from his sores. But what are they? And how did they get there? To find out, I'm heading to the 4th Annual Morgellons Conference in Austin, Texas, to meet a molecular biologist who doesn't believe the medical consensus. Rather, he argues, the forensic tests he's commissioned on the fibres point to something altogether more unworldly.

In spring 2005, Randy Wymore, associate professor of pharmacology at Oklahoma State University, stumbled across an article about morgellons. Reading about the fibres sufferers believed were the byproduct of some weird parasite, but which were dismissed by dermatologists as humdrum environmental detritus, he thought, "But this should be easy to figure out." He emailed sufferers, requesting samples, then compared them with samples of cotton, nylon, carpets and curtains. Examining them under the microscope, he got a shock. The sufferers' fibres looked utterly different.

Wymore arranged for fibre analysis at the Tulsa police department's forensic laboratory. Moments into his tests, a detective with 28 years' experience of this sort of work murmured, "I don't think I've ever seen anything like this." The morgellons particles didn't match any of the 800 fibres on their database, nor the 85,000 known organic compounds. He heated one fibre to 600C and was astonished to find it didn't burn. By the day's end, Wymore concluded, "There's something real going on here. Something we don't understand at all."

Last year, he approached several commercial laboratories to run further tests, but the moment they discovered the job was related to morgellons, firm after firm backed out. Finally, Wymore found a lab prepared to take the work. It*is these results that will be revealed during the*course of the two-day conference.


An hour south of Austin, in the lobby of the Westoak Woods Baptist Church convention centre, morgellons sufferers from the US, UK, Spain, Germany and Mexico gather by the breakfast buffet. Threads of conversation rise from the hubbub: "I mix Vaseline with sulphur and cover my entire body"; "The more you try to prove you're not crazy, the more crazy they think you are"; "The whole medical community is part of this. I*wouldn't say it's a conspiracy but"

Many of the attendees have been diagnosed with DOP, a subject that enrages one of the first speakers Dr Greg Smith, a paediatrician of 28 years' experience. "Excuse me, people!" he says. "This is morally and ethically wrong! So let me make a political statement, boys and girls." He pulls off his jumper, to reveal a T-shirt reading, "DOP" with a red line through it. "No more!" he shouts above wild applause. "No more!"

Later, Smith tells me he's been a sufferer since 2004. "I put a sweatshirt I'd been wearing in the garden over my arm and there was this intense burning, sticking sensation. I thought it was cactus spines. I began picking to get them out, but it wasn't long before it was all over my body." He describes "almost an obsession. You just can't stop picking. You feel the sensation of something that's trying to come out of your skin. You've just got to get in there. And there's this sense of incredible release when you get something out."


Margot, a midwife from Ramsgate, takes regular saunas in an attempt to relieve her symptoms; in the past, she has gone so far as bathing in bleach. Photograph: Nick Ballon for the Guardian
Smith's exposed skin is covered in waxy scars. Although he still itches, his lesions appear to have healed. If, as morgellons patients believe, the sores are not self-inflicted but caused by fibre-creating parasites, how is this possible? "I absolutely positively stopped picking," he says.

That evening, at a nearby Mexican restaurant, I*meet Margot, a midwife from Ramsgate who has*resorted to bathing in bleach to rid herself of morgellons. She describes how, armed with times-three magnification spectacles, a magnifying glass and a nit comb, she scraped "black specks" from her hair and face on to sticky labels and took them to a dermatologist. She was diagnosed with DOP. "I'm a midwife," she says. "I take urine samples and blood specimens. So I was taking them a specimen. That's what wrecked my life and career."

Next, I corner Randy Wymore. He is a slim man with a charcoal shirt, orange tie and neatly squared goatee. "We have not yet exactly replicated the exact results of the forensics people in Tulsa," he admits. So far, the laboratory has found Wymore's various morgellons fibres to be: nylon; cotton; a*blond human hair; a fungal fibre; a rodent hair; and down, most likely from geese or ducks.

"That's disappointing," I say.

He leans his head to one side and smiles. "It is, for the most part, disappointing, but there was a*bunch of cellulose that didn't make sense on one. And another was unknown." There's a pause. "Well, they said it was a 'big fungal fibre', but they weren't completely convinced."

The next day, nursing practitioner Dr Ginger Savely, who claims to have treated more than 500 morgellons patients, leads an informal discussion in the conference room. Around large circular tables sit the dismissed and the angry. "I've seen a fibre go into my glasses," says one. "I've seen one burrow into a pad," adds another. "One of my doctors thinks it's nanotechnology"; "I was attacked by a swarm of some type of tiny wasps that seemed to inject parts of their bodies under my skin"; "They have bugs on public transport. Never put your suitcase on the floor of a train."

A furious woman with a big scar on her jaw says, "I have Erin Brockovich's lawyer's number in my purse. Don't you think I'm not going to use it."

"But who are you going to sue?" asks a frail, elderly lady two tables away.

The morgellons believers look expectantly at the indignant litigant. "I don't know," she says.

In a far corner, a woman with a round plaster covering a dry, pinkly scrubbed cheek weeps.

I retire to the lobby to await my allotted chat with Savely. I become aware of a commotion at reception. One of the attendees is complaining loudly: "It's disgusting! Bugs! In the bed. I've already been in two rooms"

When she's gone, I ask the receptionist if, over the weekend, there has been a surge in complaints about cleanliness. "Oh yeah." She leans forward and whispers conspiratorially. "I think it's part of their condition."

Yet, when we speak, Savely is resolute. "These people are not crazy," she insists. "They're good, solid people who have been dealt a bad lot."

A woman approaches the vending machine behind Savely. Between her hand and the handle of her walking stick is a layer of tissue paper.

There is an element of craziness, I suggest.

"OK, there is," she says, "but it's understandable. For people to say you're delusional is very anxiety-provoking. Then they get depressed. Who wouldn't? The next stage is usually an obsessive-compulsive thing paying attention to*the body in great detail. But, again, I feel this is understandable, in the circumstances."

I slip back into the conference room, where Margot is using her £700 Wi-Fi iPad telescope to examine herself. I have an idea.

"Can I have a go?"

Pushing the lens into my palm, I immediately see a fibre. The group around me falls into a hush. "Did you clean your hand?" Margot asks. She fetches an antibacterial wet-wipe. I scrub and try again. I find an even bigger fibre. I wipe for a second time. And find another one. Margot looks up at me with wet, sorry eyes. "Are you worried?" She puts a comforting hand on my arm. "Oh, don't be worried, Will. I'm sure you haven't got it."

Back in London, I find a 2008 paper on morgellons in the journal Dermatologic Therapy that describes patients picking "at their skin continuously in order to 'extract' an organism"; "obsessive cleaning rituals, showering often" and individuals going "to many physicians, such as infectious disease specialists and dermatologists" all behaviours "consistent with DOP". (For treatment, the authors recommend prescribing a benign antiparasitic ointment to build trust, and supplementing it with an antipsychotic.) After finding "fibres" on my own hand, I'm fairly satisfied morgellons is some 21st-century genre of OCD spread through the internet and the fibres are as Wymore's labs report particles of everyday, miscellaneous stuff: cotton, human hair, rat hair and so on.

There is one element of the condition that's been niggling, though. Both Paul and Greg's morgellons began with an explosion of itching. Now it's affecting me: the night after my meeting with Paul, I couldn't sleep for itching. I had two showers before bed and another in the morning. All through the convention, I am tormented; driven to senseless scratching. Why is itch so infectious?

I contact Dr Anne Louise Oaklander, associate professor at Harvard Medical School and perhaps the only neurologist in the world to specialise in itch. I email her describing morgellons, pointing out it's probably some form of DOP. But when we speak, she knows all about morgellons already. "In my experience, morgellons patients are doing the best they can to make sense of symptoms that are real. They're suffering from a*chronic itch disorder that's undiagnosed. They have been maltreated by the medical establishment. And you are welcome to quote me on that," she adds.

In 1987, German researchers found itch wasn't simply the weak form of pain it had always been assumed to be. Rather, they concluded itch has its own separate and dedicated network of nerves. And while a pain nerve has a sensory jurisdiction of roughly a millimetre, an itch nerve can pick up disturbances on the skin over three inches away.

Oaklander surmises that itch evolved as a way for humans instinctively to rid themselves of dangerous insects. When a mosquito lands on your arm and it tickles, this sensation is not the straightforward feeling of its legs pushing on your skin. It is, in fact, a neurological alarm system; one that can go wrong for a variety of reasons shingles, sciatica, spinal cord tumours or lesions, to name a*few. In some cases, it can be triggered, suddenly and severely, without anything touching the skin.

This, Oaklander believes, is what is happening to morgellons patients. "That they have insects on them is a very reasonable conclusion because, to them, it feels no different from how it would if there were insects on them. To your brain, it's exactly the same. So you need to look at what's going on with their nerves. Unfortunately, what can happen is a dermatologist fails to find an explanation and jumps to a psychiatric one."

That's not to say there aren't some patients whose problem is psychiatric, she adds. Others still might suffer delusions in addition to their undiagnosed neuropathic illness. Even so, "It's not up to some primary care physician to conclude that a patient has a major psychiatric disorder."

The CDC is due to publish a long-delayed study on the condition and, if it proves Oaklander's theory correct, this would explain a great deal. Why, for example, Greg Smith's lesions stopped developing when he stopped scratching: because they were self-inflicted. Why I found fibres on my hand: because they are picked up from the environment. What's more, if morgellons is not actually a disease but a combination of symptoms that might have all sorts of different maladies as its source, this squares with something Savely said she's "constantly perplexed about when I find a treatment that helps one person, it doesn't help the next at all. Every patient is a whole new ball game."

I phone Paul and explain the itch-nerve theory.

"I can't see how that relates to the physical condition," he sighs. "I've got marks on my back*that I can't even reach. I've not created those*by scratching."

I ask how he has been. "Pretty crap, actually. Been forced out of my job. They said it's 'based on my engagement level', and that's down to the lack of energy I've got. I can't sign myself off sick or as having a degraded performance because morgellons is not a diagnosis. There's no legitimate reason for me not to be operating at full speed."

There's a silence.

"Another thing has been destroyed by this disease," he says finally. "And all because morgellons isn't supposed to exist."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...erious-illness
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Pretty funny that Hands brings up David Duke when Bird was an admitted clansman and Sharpton an anti-semite with blood on his hands.
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