Apple attracts 70% new buyers with iPad 2 launch - survey - Page 2

Huh?

You're right. If I remember correctly the very first white G3 iBooks were fine, those in the 500-600mhz range; the big problems began with the 800 and 900mhz models that were certain to die prematurely.

One thing that truly impressed me about the first iPad was its build quality. I can't really remember one widespread hardware fault with them, and my dad's has been going strong for almost a year now. The iPhone has given Apple 5 years to perfect a mobile device that is beat to hell each day, and now that experience is dwindling down to the iPad. They really have about five years ahead of their competitors in that respect, not just one. After antenna gate the Apple haters are looking to exploit even the most minor deficiency.

While the first generation white MacBooks had issues with blemishes, I can say the first generation black is rock solid after 5 years. I've had to replace a battery and HD, but that's nothing out of the ordinary. Yet another case of the first generation 'winning.'

There will be, by 3rd parties... Or do you think that Apple should just make all accessories themselves?

well that is the trick. For me, I needed a new computer, but 95% my usage is email and web surf, thus got the ipad2. However, I would have paid a bit more for more ram(yup, have seen it max out already with too many apps left open and futureproof etc, that was not normal, normal use is fine and snappy) and if going to the trouble of adding cameras add the iphone4 cameras. Keep two speakers. And yes, while old school a USB port to hook up printers(next puchase is an airplay printer). I know the arguments for these design decisions , but like I said I would have paid a bit extra for these things. That said I much prefer the iPad display and form factor to an MBA (getting old and need the big type). Anyways, just my personal desires, your milage may vary.

My black Macbook is still going strong too after all these years. I recently had a huge mishap where I spilt 32 oz of coke directly on it and I thought that it was dead for sure. I ended up taking apart the entire machine and I gave everything an alcohol bath. My keyboard was ruined though, so I ordered a whole new top section which includes both the keyboard and trackpad, so it now looks brand new, just like the day I bought it, and it works great too. I also put a 7200 rpm 500 gig drive in it, so it's even faster than before.

I also ordered a stand for it, so I won't have any more coke mishaps that will kill the machine. I always eat and drink by my computers.

And where may I ask, did you get this information? Your finding must be "TOP SECRET" because the other reports indicated that:

1. A number of agencies of the US Department of Defense, as well as their counterparts (e.g., in the UK) have created either their own Apps for the iPad, using them for instructions, etc.
2. More than 90% of the Top Fortune companies are either testing or deploying the iPad.
3. A number of well-known restaurants replaced their menu list with an iPad version.
4. The re-sale of the original iPad, once the iPad2 was annnounced, was reported by eBay, and other resellers, to be the most active and the biggest ever among consumer products. And, for what you claim to be just a big iPod touch was averaging $300 for the most basic? Can you ever sell a used car for that high resale value?
5. Many foreigners were so mad at Apple because the launch of the original iPad was delayed in their country.
6. Street people, and others who were not expected to be able to afford the original iPad (some were paying cash), were lining up daily, many months after the original iPad went of sale in the US. It got so bad, Apple placed ID check and restrictions. It got so bad, that the Attorney General of New York had to reprimand Apple for its reaction to curb the "practice" because of a possible case of discrimination. "Street people" must be so ignorant and clueless perhaps, they did not read the verdict of geeks and techno-analysts who like you proclaimed: a lot of people felt that the first generation iPad was nothing more then a 10" iPod Touch

Do you ever read anything beyond what you write? Because if you do, you would have come out with a different conclusion -- " a lot of people felt that the first generation iPad was nothing more then a 10" iPod Touch ". I take it you are one of those lot?

Of course, 15 million out of more than 6 billion is a "rounding error" in Ballmer's math. So, you have a supporter in Ballmer with your hypothesis.

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I know the third parties will be making them I just really liked the one Apple made for the first gen iPad. Steve Jobs said they knew they could do alot better, I am not sure this is really better. I have to try one out this week and see what I think, could change my mind.

Oh yeah? In November I split hot chocolate on mine.

Did you have to take apart the entire machine and clean it out? I was going to work on the inside of mine with a toothbrush and alcohol, scrubbing like crazy on the motherboard.

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His statement isn't that off. The iPad was nothing more then a big iPod Touch with a better UI. Saying Fortune companies are either testing or deploying the iPad means shit. That could mean that give out 20. Unless you have real number your statement is just a vague.

So an iPad selling for 300.00 considering you paid tax and most likely got an accessory would mean a 50% hit in less then a year. That seems about average in the tech world.

So you are saying if you bought a car for 30,000 you wouldn't be able to sell it for 15,000 less then a year later? I don't think so.

I strolled into the Santa Monica Apple Store last year on the day the Ipad 3G was unveiled and picked one up, no lines, no waiting, fully stocked.

Different story this year.

I was thinking I wanted 32GB black and ended up getting 64GB white. It was the only white model they had left and once I saw the white I had to have it.

True.

Their estimates on Apple are consistently low.

Gene Munster is not a star-rated analyst. His inaccuracy is legendary. It's shameful that AppleInsider continues to ignore this shortcoming.

I'm going to be getting the black one, but after seeing the white one in person tonight, it's actually not that bad looking at all.

My girl will be getting the white one and I'll be getting the black one, so we don't get them mixed up.

That is not what the poster was saying.

I also looked at the V1 and decided to wait for v2, considering where the iPhone was already up to (3GS) I very much saw it as a market beta. Kind of like the EDGE iPhone, the 3G being the first real complete model (Inc AppStore). I made that choice within hours of the keynote.

I also knew I'd be more likely to take a 2-3yr cycle on the iPad vs a 1-2 on the iPhone so the v2 made more sense. I also from the announcement keynote decided that the v2 would have a front facing camera as it was a key missing component for the business market and finally I felt that Apple will reserve new features for the iPhone first for a few reasons.

All that said I bought no iPad 1 but as early as august last year knew I'd be buying up to 10 iPad 2's for the business BECAUSE they would have front facing cameras and have 2yrs oomph in them. That was a rumor free personal analysis.

To conclude, I am now of the opinion that iPhone/iPad are now sorted in terms of hardware (sure they will improve) whereas most of the really important improvements are now solely possible in the OS, such as better file transfer, swapping apps and even though Apple likes to force upgrade by fake limiting software updates to versions none of the major improvements have a horsepower issue, probably more security and user experience issues to resolve and so current hardware is likely to last 2-3 software generations now, suitable for my intended update cycle.

Luckily no. Before I thought about anything else, even being burnt, I flipped the MacBook upside down, unplugged it, moved it over to a table and began dotting it with a damp rag. Skin will heal, but the MacBook will not.

The spill mostly hit the trackpad, spacebar, and hand rest.

And those lot of people did not buy it because the main reason is that "... the original iPad is nothing but a big iPod touch"???

Was there even a survey that indicated that was the main reason why people did not buy the original iPad?

It may be even more "safe to state: "A lot of people did not buy the original iPad because....":

• they did not have the money to buy one
• they did not have a use for it
• they like the iPad but the focus of their activities preclude significant use of the iPad
• the iPad just did not reach their country in sufficient number

I like the original iPad very much, but I did not buy it for a different reason not because I thought "... the original iPad is nothing but a big iPod touch" In fact, we would have bought several of the original iPad had our business project in CA went through. The other party though changed his mind based on the terms my family was willing to enter into the transaction.

I like the iPad2 even better from my short experience trying it, but an iPad is not the most suited for the projects I am most involved with right now.

"300/499" is not 50% and that is what was quoted by big resellers. It went down only after Apple announced that they are selling still unsold original iPad for $399 and refurbished iPad for $349(???) with one year guaranty.

Would you buy a used tech device with no guarantees, if you can get one directly from Apple, with 1-year warranty?

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I would have bought the original iPad. I want an iPad 2 but still cannot justify purchasing one as my Macbook is still in good health and does most of what I'd use the iPad for. For me the iPad will be a replacement of my Macbook so I may have to wait for the iPad 3. It certainly won't replace my iMac though. At least not with the current model.

So it's pretentious to love computers, and see their potential?

I used to love Apple when they were about bicycles for the mind, now they are about tricycles for the mind.

Somewhere on the way to simplifying people's work tools they got sidetracked on to making toys. Simple things and toys are related concepts, so there was always a danger of that in their DNA. They always hype their sales now, but so what if you're no longer doing good in the world? Those numbers are then just a measure of your evil.

It'll be interesting to see what the actual numbers turn out to be. Just a little mental arithmetic makes the 500,000 seem a little low to me. A million? Who knows?

One thing I do know is that when the numbers come out, the nerdrage from the iPad haters is going to be apocalyptic! (Apple-ocalyptic?) They've been setting up the narrative for weeks now: "No big deal." "Just iPad 1.5." "The Verizon iPhone launch was a failure." 'The Xoom's going to smoke the iPadjust you wait!" The butthurt at seeing all these lines and the public enthusiasm is going to be something to behold.

This confirms what some people were saying during the iPad2 frenzy at the Boylston Apple Store last Friday.

A friend of mine also wants the iPad but she is happy with her iPhone4 right now. She is still saving money to buy either the MacBook Air or the original iPad. That was late last year. She has not seen the new iPad yet. They were too busy with a big event this April.

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I thought maybe if your first comment was ignored, you might drop this dead ended line of thinking, but it seems you want an argument.

That bicycle metaphor is way out of date, and I think Jobs would certainly disown it today. There was no internet to speak of then; the personal computer was mostly a stand-alone amplifier of an individual's mind.

Now it is obvious to anyone not stuck in left-brain categories -- anyone with imagination, in other words -- that the internet, the network, is the computer, and our various access devices are ways of adding or extracting knowledge or media in and out of the network.

If you could relax and allow yourself to use an iPad around the house and out in the world for a while, you would find that it can add enormously to what you can learn in one day, or to what you can accomplish in the way of always-on-anywhere communications with the connected world.

It is like a portable power tool, and once you've gone cordless, you are amazed at how much quicker and more flexible you can be.

The iPad's a lightweight, portable, secure, limited functionality computing device with a curated application store and a screen that's big enough to be useful.

I think it's safe to say most people bought the iPad because it's "a big iPod touch".

The white one is gorgeous. I just don't understand some people that claim TV never have white bezel. Huh? I watched movies on my white notebook with no problem whatsoever.

You're so wrong. The ultimate goal in design is to make things as simple as possible. Simple doesn't mean "toy". It means "professional".

You won't need luck, just patience.

But it's not.

Just like swimming pools aren't just big bathtubs. The size makes them inherently different. A lot of people don't get this.

Of course it is!

Derision:

"No one will buy the iPad... it is just a big iPod touch."

One was so bold enough to say he will eat his Blackberry Phone(???) if his prediction did not come true. I have yet to see the proof that he kept his word.

Not only did the iPad found its own users, it was such a very fast acceptance of a product of Apple that the likes of Microsoft, and others have tried, but never succeeded. And, so, they thought Apple would suffer similar fate as their own failure.

15 million original iPad buyers proved them wrong.

If I were one of the Apple/Steve Jobs haters & detractors, pundits, pseudo techno-analysts who made such predictions before even testing the original iPad, and kept maintaining that their perspectives/delusions must be how other people -- I would be more cautious making such unfounded and bold predictions.

Instead, they still maintain their delusions without so much as providing any proof:



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Though I do not have any survey to show, i would not be too surprised if many iPad buyers never even knew or used the iPod touch. And, if they knew or heard about it, many might have considered that the iPod touch does not suit their purpose. The latter notion is supported that the type of activities and the duration spent for these activities are quite different between the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.

Size matters. Any person who is perceptive and does some simple ruminations would come to a conclusion that a small Boeing Jumbo Jet is nothing but a big Cessna Jet, even if both are jets and are meant to transport people. Anyone who wants to debate this does not warrant any response.

That sensible people can find a more purposeful use of the iPad, and even can play a very key role in their profession is proven by my interactions with a few during the iPad2 launch on Friday. Last Sunday afternoon, I ended up not doing my work why at the Boylston Apple Store because I got into a productive discussion with a professional photographer. He has all these computers (a notebook, the original iPad) and external drives. He has at home servers and desktops to process his movies and photographs. He bought the original iPad for portability. On Sunday, he has his iPad and a MacBookPro because with the help of the local Apple staff, he was able finally to work on a proprietary Canon movie he took a few years back for a customer. He did not know how to transfer the proprietary video from his other Canon camera to iMovie, a problem that the staff at Apple was able to solve.

Yes, there was an "App for his need" that the Apple staff helped him find, and will be richer because he can now deliver the finished goods to his client.

He uses his original iPad not only on the move, but also to show his clients the finished product.

Why don't you just use the iPod touch? It is cheaper and even more portable, and the iPad is nothing but a big iPod touch, they say.

Try persuading a professional photographer, artist with that thinking. And let me know how well you will fare.


2011 is the Year of the Copycat

One can make a twist that this year would be indeed a year when there will be a banner of iPad-copycats, even among manufacturers who once tried but failed.

Remember the famous statement of Bill Gates regarding the original iPad? Now the company he founded, has been trying to come up with an iPad killer.


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im one like you this version should have been ipad 1

Hmm.. maybe the iPad 3 should be the iPad 1, or is it the iPad 4?? Do you actually realize how silly your statement is. You suggest 15 million people should not have bought the iPad 1 but instead (because it's your opinion) they ought to have waited until the actual iPad 1 (iPad 2) is available??

So true - analysts are totally pointless, like car alarms. It's the kind of job where you can be wrong over, and over, and over again. And you still get to keep your job.

And what criteria do you suggest we all use to determine whether Apple is offering us a "simple tool" or a "toy"? An answer of the form "The former has a keyboard" and "The latter has no keyboard" won't cut it.

17% plan to use apps??? What the hell else are they going to do? Am I missing something here?

The other 87% use it as picture frame.

All very interesting yet none of it changes the fact that the iPad is a big iPod touch.

That's not a bad thing.

It's actually good.

The fact Apple took a platform designed for touch and mobility and scaled it up rather than taking a platform designed for the desktop and kb/mouse and scaling it down is the main reason the iPad has been able to succeed as a tablet where previous attempts did not.

... based on past track records, Apple must have sold one and a half million of these things on opening weekend!!

So analysts have just slightly underestimated.

So he has written, so it shall be!

All hail Pharoah Firefly.

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