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post #81 of 249
Still waiting.

Sorry if my typos ncrease. I will do what what I can.

Watching TV waiting for the operation to start. Constant earthquake warnings; it is surreal.

China has suspended reactor approvals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12769392

China also has anuonced that they will deliver tons of gasoline and other supplies to Japan.

 

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post #82 of 249
#3 reactor's fuel rods are plutonium; the other reactors use uranium. Plutonium is more hazardous, thus the focus on cooling #3.

 

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post #83 of 249
Sorry but I have to vent.

A professional soccer team is holding its winter camp at a field in town. They are practicing right now, while people suffer up north. These are able bodied men who could really help.

Reservists of the SDF are being called up for the first time. One shown on TV had lost his father in the tsunami. Why can these rich pro athletes not lend a hand?

NHK announced that the national police were asked to spray the water on the reactor from trucks and at first hesitated because of the risk. this may be a translation problem; I was listening to the English audio. The first attempt of this operation tonight was to be carried out by the police, but they canceled it in progress because of high levels of radiation.

NHK just announced that the first two trucks have sprayed the reactor... SDF soldiers are now conducting the effort.

 

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post #84 of 249
5 trucks have sprayed water at the reactor. No word yet on success.

An American UAV (GlobalHawk) will fly over later (?) to monitor the reactors.

 

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post #85 of 249
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5 trucks have sprayed water at the reactor. No word yet on success.

An American UAV (GlobalHawk) will fly over later (?) to monitor the reactors.

I don't understand why they don't just rig them for full remote and then leave the trucks there spraying.

Your reports are so much appreciated. The information that I see in them is much more interesting and relevant than most news outlets here. Hope you are staying generally warm. Are you also turning your heat off during this, or are you in a region affected by the blackouts?
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post #86 of 249
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5 trucks have sprayed water at the reactor. No word yet on success.

An American UAV (GlobalHawk) will fly over later (?) to monitor the reactors.

I always wonder what radiation detection equipment the US has in its surveillance equipment. It would be nice if they could do some radiation imaging ... but that would be a difficult device to build.

Even if they just get some good high resolution visible and thermal images from above it might be helpful.
post #87 of 249
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I don't understand why they don't just rig them for full remote and then leave the trucks there spraying.

Your reports are so much appreciated. The information that I see in them is much more interesting and relevant than most news outlets here. Hope you are staying generally warm. Are you also turning your heat off during this, or are you in a region affected by the blackouts?

I was wondering the same about remote control and hope that they are working on various methods that may or may not be needed if others work.

I would hope, for example, that there is a team already designing some kind of containment building that could be built around the plant. My idea would be to use helicopters to lower wall sections that would then be stitched together by a robot or a docking mechanism with no need for humans to risk their lives. Hopefully this would never be needed, but I would hope they are already working on it in case it is. Interesting tidbit: I believe the sarcophagus that covers Chernobyl was designed by a Japanese nuclear specialist who is still alive.

Glad to report what I can and do. It helps to get it off my chest.

We have a satellite TV system that has several news channels (including CNN and BBC) in addition to the local (national) digital channels. Various channels do better with covering for example the news conferences in their entirety or in having better experts, so we switch around and often use the double screen function to allow us to listen to one program and read another's ticker. We have occasionally switched to BBC and CNN but more out of interest in how they are covering the topic. We never last very long because of the antics of the announcers (Jim Clancy comes to mind). The stark difference to some of the Japanese announcers is shocking. Also, CNN the other day was carrying an interview with Adam (American Idol fame) during a very important stage in the disaster. BBC was discussing cricket. Both these channels have tons of commercials (usually promoting themselves) which also makes it hard to watch.

On the topic of the media here, they are beginning to really complain about lack of info from the government. NHK ripped them tonight. This morning's helicopter dumps began with no word from the current cabinet, but shortly after a press meeting started with the nuclear safety board. The Primer Minister has not been seen today, but we were told of his phone call with Obama. There is very little information getting to people near the plants, leading to lots of anxiety.

Japan doesn't usually use the spokesman system like the US does. So, if the ministers are busy (as they likely are) nothing gets out. Also, there are several locations where info is coming from, no single command office, which is confusing. Today, one came from the nuclear safety admin's offices, one from wherever Edano is, one from the ministry of defense and one from the TEPCO office. This evening, there were two conferences going on at the same time preventing us from watching one.

Anderson Cooper did some interviews and hasn't found anyone who trusts the info coming from the government. That is easy to imagine. My wife started watching his show during the Egypt crisis but hasn't been able to make it through an entire program this week.

As for us, we are way to the south on another island and therefore are not included in the rolling blackout program. (BTW, it only affects northern Japan as the country has two systems: 60Hz and 50Hz due to the history of electrical power here - the first two generators came from the US and Germany and the system has remained that way ever since. The south cannot supply power to the north). It turned colder for us and very windy from yesterday, but nothing like what the people up in the disaster area have to put up with so we cannot complain. There are also no worries about radiation or supply shortages here. If you hadn't watched the news at all and went around town, you possibly wouldn't know that anything had happened.

 

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post #88 of 249
Some background on why people might be a little worried.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_836970.html


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Seems the trucks had some success in getting water in. They will try again in the morning.

 

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post #89 of 249
Isn't that that always happens when organizations have conflicting goals? Oversight and advocacy and under one roof.
post #90 of 249
People are panicky creatures in a herd. They might be reasonable on an individual basis. The government cannot spread mass panic, so some lack of updates is OK in my opinion.
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post #91 of 249
"High levels of radiation have been found 30km (18.6m) from Fukushima, Japanese media reports."
~ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...uake-live.html
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post #92 of 249
One league of Japan's pro baseball's two leagues announced they plan to start their game schedule as planned from next week. The other league has postponed the games.

The country is under a rolling blackout plan because of a lack of electricity. A stadium takes the same power as 3000 homes.

The players are against holding games.

93% of the public are against it.

The owners want to go ahead and will not change unless told to by the government.

 

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post #93 of 249
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People are panicky creatures in a herd. They might be reasonable on an individual basis. The government cannot spread mass panic, so some lack of updates is OK in my opinion.

Japan is a very unique place.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...der/index.html

 

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post #94 of 249
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Japan is a very unique place.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...der/index.html

Really wonderful and I'm sure it's done with grace too.
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post #95 of 249
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Japan is a very unique place.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...der/index.html

On a note, it is very nice to read your updates. Due to the language difference, it is hard to know what is happening from a human perspective. Also, wasn't there a wikileaks from someone in the Japanese power industry raising flags on nuclear accidents and the cover up of actual costs of post processing and maintenance?
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post #96 of 249
Watching the water trucks spraying again now live of NHK (they have a helicopter 30 km away). Lots f steam is coming up so the water is hitting something hot.

Obama's speech has bee replayed on TV many times today, but the Prime Minister hasn't spoken to the public since the day before yesterday.

 

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post #97 of 249
2:46 pm

The quake stuck exactly one week ago. There was just a moment of silence for those lost.

 

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post #98 of 249
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This photo makes it clear the countless personal stories within the bigger stories of the Huge quake, tsunami, and nuclear crisis.

Behind the big stories are so many individual stories.

Imagine if you were this man:



Wearing a sign displaying his missing wife

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post #99 of 249
Now officially a Level 5 accident.

 

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post #100 of 249
Finally the PM shows his face and gives a short talk. The Q&A session is going on and the first question was a tough one about his ability to lead... NHK broke away after his reply, other stations are breaking away now.

The conference is over.

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The first truck used to try to spray water on the reactor was a police riot response vehicle with a water cannon. This truck was used because the Prime Minister got angry at the police department and told them to send anything. This information came out during a conference earlier today when the media asked why one of the special rescue trucks used by the fire department was not sent until this morning. That truck has a water cannon on a special boom which can be raised high into the air. The water trucks from the self-defense forces also are just designed for responding to airport accidents. Essentially, the media is really beginning to question the leadership capabilities of the Prime Minister.

Currently, preparations are underway to set up the special truck and to connect it to a high-volume pump which will then have a draw hose stuck in the ocean. The actual actual positioning of the trucks will take place later tonight. If this works, they will be able to send a relatively steady stream of water into the reactor building.

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There are stories coming out over the past day or two of evacuees who have died. Some of them were not able to receive proper medical care than others had to be evacuated again due to the nuclear situation.

There are also many heartwarming stories if I can call them that of young kids and students volunteering to help out at the centers. The youngest volunteer is a member of the cleaning crew at one location; she's one-year-old.

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I apologize for typographical errors in my messages up to now; my speech to text system is up and working again.

 

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post #101 of 249
The crew setting up the trucks at the plant will have to work outside the trucks to connect the hoses.

Sounds like it will be three trucks: pumper pulling in sea water, the special tower cannon truck, and a hose truck carrying hose to connect the two main trucks. This also means a large number of people on the ground. The area is covered with debris so they are figuring out now how to proceed.


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At the TEPCO press conference earlier today, a reporter asked the officials how they felt about having other people (soldiers, fire and police) clean up after a mess they made. They felt sorry and appreciated the help. Ha.

 

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post #102 of 249
The operation has been postponed.

 

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post #103 of 249
Was just about to go to bed when I checked the 1:00am news. Another effort to spray water into the reactor building was conducted from 12:30 to 12:50 am.

No news on results.

A news ticker flashed that the SDF was taking the initiative towards the response in this disaster. (Edit: see my later post)

 

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post #104 of 249
Earlier, the news showed lots of video from area affected by the tsunami.

Helicopters are now everywhere, supplies are getting through. There is still a long ways to go but there was a big improvement over yesterday. The efforts of the SDF are also very apparent. The got an addition 90 vehicles and 900 men yesterday who were ferried in from Hokkaido on an American navy ship. Ships are pulling into ports and an LCAC made a landing n a beach bringing tons of supplies.

Videos of the initial day of rescues also are staring to come out. They are shot from inside the rescue helicopters. The audio and video show the professionalism of the troops.

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The government today said the initial response had been a little slow.

Japan friday formally requested US help with the Fukushima Dai 1. I believe that was the topic of their phone conversation. A special team of radiation disaster specialists is preparing to leave soon for Japan.

 

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post #105 of 249
A big one tonight.

The Mainichi Shimbun newspaper posted to their Japanese website minutes ago an interesting story about the government's failings. Hopefully there will be an English version soon; it is a doozy and shows the PM to be an idiot. And TEPCO sucks.

Some is in this article:
The plant staff wanted to evacuate on the 3rd day of the disaster, after the initial explosion!

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/natio...na009000c.html

There is more in the Japanese version; try a translator.
http://mainichi.jp/select/seiji/news...10135000c.html

It's rich.

The news ticker earlier said the SDF is in charge; now we see some of the background. Moments after that was announced, the spraying commenced again.

Another paper is reporting some other interesting stuff. Basically, Kan was setting things up so that if it succeeded, he would get credit. If it failed, a general would be responsible.

It's going to be an interesting couple of days while all this works out.

Remember a money scandal regarding Kan broke several hours before the quake and tsunami.
Also do remember politicians are not generally well thought of here.

 

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post #106 of 249
A man in his twenties was found alive this morning.

 

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post #107 of 249
Breaking news now:

Spraying has resumed on the #3 reactor using the tower cannon truck. It is being operated by remote control so crews will only need to go out when it requires refueling approximately every seven hours.

This would suggest that they have the sea water system completely set up. It's hard to tell; from today, most TV channels have returned to normal programming.

They plan to start a separate effort to spray the #4 reactor tonight.

 

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post #108 of 249
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Breaking news now:

Spraying has resumed on the #3 reactor using the tower cannon truck. It is being operated by remote control so crews will only need to go out when it requires refueling approximately every seven hours.

This would suggest that they have the sea water system completely set up. It's hard to tell; from today, most TV channels have returned to normal programming.

They plan to start a separate effort to spray the #4 reactor tonight.

Reverted to normal programming? Really? We have a large snowfall here and get 24hour weather coverage for days. You get a natural disaster followed by ongoing nuclear plant issues and back to normal programming?
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post #109 of 249
Press conference by the the minister of defense now... Showing video of the spraying operation conducted yesterday.

Data from helicopters shows all reactor buildings to have temps under 100°C (212°F) which means the water is not boiling away.

Wow. The videos.

Power has been restored to two reactors and the cooling systems are functioning somewhat.

BTW, the new tower cannon is capable of throwing 3 tons of water into the building per minute. That is much, much more cooling power than they have been able to achieve up to now. The trucks yesterday tossed about 5 tons each for a minute, but were limited to several truck loads.

However, it does seem that there is still some trouble in coordination between the government, SDF, fire department and the US teams on hand. I hope that they can get through whatever this is and make this a smooth operation.

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NHK showed video a little while ago of the improving relief efforts. Ships now have access to more ports and are making heavy deliveries. The Sendai airport now has 1500 feet of runway up and running. Air traffic control is in place (military mobile system). That length to my knowledge would allow C-130 transport planes to land and take off.

 

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post #110 of 249
Edano is announcing now that radiation has been found in milk and spinach... But lower than receiving one CT scan.

 

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post #111 of 249
Wikipedia has an excellent page on the nuclear situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi...lear_accidents

 

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post #112 of 249
Just watched more of the press conference by the Tokyo Rescue team; three team leaders spoke.

Their mission is now complete and they can leave the plant. TEPCO will manage their truck from here on.

Sadly, one of the three felt bad after their operation. He was checked and found not to have received a high dose, but was rather likely suffering from stress. During the talk, he was obviously quite stressed and I think his career as a firefighter is over. He said a few things that the media likely will jump on later, but for today he is a national hero, as all of these guys working to clean up this mess are. He talked about being worried about his health, how it was challenging because they had to lay hose by hand instead of automatically, and he wants to go home and have a beer.

edit: People here are already complaining about the Hyper Rescue, saying they are deeply disappointed in them. Hyper Rescue is the name, but they returned to Tokyo without helping the people affected by the tsunami, talked about being scared, didn't mention any concern about the other workers still at the plant and want to go home and have a beer.


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The PM is getting worse and worse as time goes by. Today he suggested creating a new cabinet post and asked the head of the opposition to take it. Of course the request was turned down.

He also has called for the assistance of two members of his own party who are in the midst of scandal. Maehara resigned two weeks ago for accepting money from a foreign national. Ozawa is currently in the middle of a lawsuit to investigate his misdoings. The PM himself also received money from a foreign national and probably should have resigned, but the scandal broke the morning of the tsunami and has now all but been forgotten. For a little while.

 

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post #113 of 249
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Just watched more of the press conference by the Tokyo Rescue team; three team leaders spoke.

Their mission is now complete and they can leave the plant. TEPCO will manage their truck from here on.

Sadly, one of the three felt bad after their operation. He was checked and found not to have received a high dose, but was rather likely suffering from stress. During the talk, he was obviously quite stressed and I think his career as a firefighter is over. He said a few things that the media likely will jump on later, but for today he is a national hero, as all of these guys working to clean up this mess are. He talked about being worried about his health, how it was challenging because they had to lay hose by hand instead of automatically, and he wants to go home and have a beer.

edit: People here are already complaining about the Hyper Rescue, saying they are deeply disappointed in them. Hyper Rescue is the name, but they returned to Tokyo without helping the people affected by the tsunami, talked about being scared, didn't mention any concern about the other workers still at the plant and want to go home and have a beer.


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The PM is getting worse and worse as time goes by. Today he suggested creating a new cabinet post and asked the head of the opposition to take it. Of course the request was turned down.

He also has called for the assistance of two members of his own party who are in the midst of scandal. Maehara resigned two weeks ago for accepting money from a foreign national. Ozawa is currently in the middle of a lawsuit to investigate his misdoings. The PM himself also received money from a foreign national and probably should have resigned, but the scandal broke the morning of the tsunami and has now all but been forgotten. For a little while.

In your personal opinion do you think the performance by the PM was that bad or are there just limits to how quickly complex human organizations can act on such huge natural disasters? To me that is the more interesting question having now watched several governments from several different political perspectives all flounder in attempting to address this.

Is it possible too that in the internet age we have trouble understanding how physical actions different from virtual ones?

It seems like no matter the government or organization it takes a good 3-7 days to get everything moving after something so huge hits. While I'm not claiming there weren't issues here, I'm really wondering if all the Monday morning quarterbacks could make fire trucks, and powerlines and boats, helicopters, and the mechanics, fuel, and resources all jump into place much faster.

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In your personal opinion do you think the performance by the PM was that bad or are there just limits to how quickly complex human organizations can act on such huge natural disasters? To me that is the more interesting question having now watched several governments from several different political perspectives all flounder in attempting to address this.

Is it possible too that in the internet age we have trouble understanding how physical actions different from virtual ones?

It seems like no matter the government or organization it takes a good 3-7 days to get everything moving after something so huge hits. While I'm not claiming there weren't issues here, I'm really wondering if all the Monday morning quarterbacks could make fire trucks, and powerlines and boats, helicopters, and the mechanics, fuel, and resources all jump into place much faster.

It's a valid question. There is a limit to how quickly some of this can come together. However, the question is, was it a problem of getting it together, or just a problem of lack of vision? I was not there so I cannot say for sure, but was there a definite direction that was given that they knew they were going towards? If there was and it simply took time to get there, then you may be right. If they floundered in bad ideas before they came across a good plan then the issue may be a lack of clear leadership. Not sure what the actual case was here.

Happy to hear that they used the remote operated water cannons and got the heat issues more under control with less human exposure. Hope they can get this wrapped up and fully contained very soon.
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NHK this morning showed a team of SDF troops leaving for Fukushima Dai 1. They are rotating crews at the plant to lower the exposure rate. The team leader spoke to NHK and his attitude toward the task ahead was impressive; sure beat the heck out of the "elite" Hyper Rescue. The repeat of the HRT press conference now cuts the stressed out member's comments.

Scenes from yesterday are being shown. The SDF has installed a bridge over a river in the middle of a township; the main bridge had been wiped away by the tsunami. It was very busy later with supplies going across, and people looking for their families.

Mail delivery has restarted in another town. The first floor of the post office was wiped out, so the staff are working in a tiny upstairs room. Many homes, though, are deserted. For others, mail is the only way to communicate right now.

However, there are still locations still in desperate need of supplies. With over 2300 evac centers, 10,000 still missing, and the size of the impacted area, combined with the weather and the nuclear problem, it is a complicated situation.

Speaking of the weather, this weekend will see a super full moon (its at its closest point to earth in quite a few years). This will bring extra high tides which could cause flooding in the disaster area; many areas have dropped in elevation by as much as 8 feet and land in other areas suffered liquification.

 

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It's a valid question. There is a limit to how quickly some of this can come together. However, the question is, was it a problem of getting it together, or just a problem of lack of vision? I was not there so I cannot say for sure, but was there a definite direction that was given that they knew they were going towards? If there was and it simply took time to get there, then you may be right. If they floundered in bad ideas before they came across a good plan then the issue may be a lack of clear leadership. Not sure what the actual case was here.

Happy to hear that they used the remote operated water cannons and got the heat issues more under control with less human exposure. Hope they can get this wrapped up and fully contained very soon.

There have been quite a few signs that he and his cabinet haven't got a clue as to how to handle this situation (I'll go into it later) and the media yesterday was complaining that he only seems to be able to concern himself with the nuclear issue. My point above was that by asking the opposition leader to join the cabinet, he was taking advantage of this disaster to try to squash the opposition. He also committed an illegal act that requires his resignation but he got away with it because the quake struck.

He has called several people in his party for assistance this week: the former prime minister, the former minister of foreign affairs and the former president of his party... all who have resigned their positions due to financial scandals.

Even before the disaster, he was not know for thinking through his decisions.

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Data from Fukushima shows radiation levels down 500 points at #3 (where the spraying occurred) and pool temps down at #5, which has a generator connected to it. They may be able to get full electrical power going today in #5 & #6. Spraying will also take place at #4. The SDF is getting ready now.

 

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Breaking news now:

An 80-year-old woman and a 16-year-old boy are being rescued now. The were found under the rubble.

A little bit of good news as the death count continues to climb; it is now over 7,700 confirmed deaths with 12,000 missing.

 

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All in all it was a good day here today, but the road is still rough.

Two rescues, and scenes of steadily improving conditions at evac centers. One center finally got a clothes washer, and a mobile ramen shop visited another.

There also seems to be progress at the nuclear plant. Another spraying operation is underway now and will finish in about two hours...this time it is #4 reactor.


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All in all it was a good day here today, but the road is still rough.

Two rescues, and scenes of steadily improving conditions at evac centers. One center finally got a clothes washer, and a mobil ramen shop visited another.

There also seems to be progress at the nuclear plant. Another spaying operation is underway now and will finish in about two hours...this time it is #4 reactor.

Good news overall. It is good to see the cleanup and rescue efforts yielding tangible results.

On a side note I had a chuckle at your post because of a typo. I read about spaying operations and envisioned a massive cat herding operation with a mobile surgical unit spaying them after they were caught. Bob Barker would have been proud.
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Bad weather today reducing chopper flights and .

The SDF has moved a tank to the plant for rubble removal. A large cement pump truck has likely arrived on scene; the driver was interviewed and seemed braver than the Hyper Rescue team (who are getting some pressure from the media; hope they enjoyed their beers).


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Went into an electronics shop near where I live and people were snatching up notebook computers... to send to relatives who are being affected by the rolling blackouts.

 

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