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When you spend thousands of dollars purchasing Mac Book Pros why does Apple put a real cheap Toshiba Hard Drive in their laptops? This is really not to tactful of Apple's part of quality control for their products.
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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post

When you spend thousands of dollars purchasing Mac Book Pros why does Apple put a real cheap Toshiba Hard Drive in their laptops? This is really not to tactful of Apple's part of quality control for their products.

In a court of law, this is called "assuming facts not in evidence."
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What he means is, there's really nothing at all wrong with Toshiba hard drives. Really.
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Any user that demands more speed than a 5400rpm drive is going to be looking toward SSD, so there's no reason to spec anything fancy for the stock config.
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What he means is, there's really nothing at all wrong with Toshiba hard drives. Really.

If they are so good why are they only $30.00 to replace? Pretty cheap for a HD right? Even the 7200 HD is made by Toshiba.
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If they are so good why are they only $30.00 to replace? Pretty cheap for a HD right? Even the 7200 HD is made by Toshiba.

I've been trying to find a point in your OP. I gather that you want Apple to use a higher priced HDD from a manufacturer other than Toshiba? What price would satisfy you?
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If they are so good why are they only $30.00 to replace? Pretty cheap for a HD right? Even the 7200 HD is made by Toshiba.

You're correlating price with quality.
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Any user that demands more speed than a 5400rpm drive is going to be looking toward SSD, so there's no reason to spec anything fancy for the stock config.

why ??
i got the 7200rpm drive 15"mbp

i just went with speed

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post #9 of 42
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Why is Apple using HD that are noisey in the MBP models for 2011.Using Toshiba and Hitachi drivers? Common all you mavens out there should know some solutions to this. I am desperate for your answers thanks How about the moderators on this forum helping out a newbie?
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Any user that demands more speed than a 5400rpm drive is going to be looking toward SSD, so there's no reason to spec anything fancy for the stock config.

I disagree. Had the 500gb 7200rpm option been available in-store, I'd have gladly given up the extra storage for the speed.

This new-gen MBP replaced my original 1st gen MBP. When I purchased that machine I paid to upgrade to a faster drive (they originally shipped with a 5400rpm 80gb drive; I paid to upgrade to a 7200rpm 100gb drive). Last year I went against the advice I read online when I upgraded its drive. Instead of a 7200rpm 500gb drive I went with a 5400rpm 640gb believing comments the said because of the larger drive, smaller bits on the platter, blah blah blah, that the speed difference would be negligible. Au contraire. I noticed a huge difference in speed.

I'll shortly be replacing my optical drive with a small SSD for system and application and retain the 750gb stock drive for data, but I would strongly recommend anyone doing a BTO and not wanting a SSD opt for the smaller, faster drive. Apparently there's a hit on battery life, but I think you'll be happier with your system's performance.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

You're correlating price with quality.

When you are spending over $1000 for a 2011 MBP 13 inch and the hard drive is a Hitachi 5400 and it is not to expensive why does not Apple put a better HD that cost more than about $50.00? Take audio equipment for example the manufacturer uses expensive parts in their transistors and circuit boards when you are paying over $1000 for a preamp or cd player not crap!
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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post

When you are spending over $1000 for a 2011 MBP 13 inch and the hard drive is a Hitachi 5400 and it is not to expensive why does not Apple put a better HD that cost more than about $50.00? Take audio equipment for example the manufacturer uses expensive parts in their transistors and circuit boards when you are paying over $1000 for a preamp or cd player not crap!

You continue to correlate price with quality. It's meaningless. Do you buy Monster cables?

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When you are spending over $1000 for a 2011 MBP 13 inch and the hard drive is a Hitachi 5400 and it is not to expensive why does not Apple put a better HD that cost more than about $50.00? Take audio equipment for example the manufacturer uses expensive parts in their transistors and circuit boards when you are paying over $1000 for a preamp or cd player not crap!

Again, as Tallest Skil points out, again, price is not an accurate determiner of quality. As I said in my first reply, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Toshiba drives. They are a great value, and I wouldn't want Apple to waste either their profit margins or customers' money (by marking up retail prices) by putting in a different brand simply because it's more expensive. Apple are not that stupid.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You continue to correlate price with quality. It's meaningless. Do you buy Monster cables?

For your information Monster cables are very expensive about $500 for interconnects alone. So don't knock it.I just sold a core 2 duo MBP 2010 model 13 inch with chirping noises now I buy a brand new 2011 i5 and the same crap again. Why if the quality control is so great with Apple!
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For your information Monster cables are very expensive about $500 for interconnects alone.

Yes, I know they're expensive. That's not the point I'm making.

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So don't knock it.

SInce I can buy a $3 HDMI cable that carries a signal MOLECULARLY IDENTICAL to their shorter, $100 cable, I get to knock them as hard as I want to knock them.

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Why if the quality control is so great with Apple!

Quality control doesn't necessarily have to be great as long as customer service is. You'll get as many replacements as you need to have a machine you like, even if that means ten completely worthless and idiotic replacements because one key on the keyboard is tilted slightly (remember that uproar?).

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post #16 of 42
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...

Since i can buy a $3 hdmi cable that carries a signal molecularly identical to their shorter, $100 cable, ....

electrically identical
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Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post

electrically identical

That's what I was looking for, thanks.

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When you are spending over $1000 for a 2011 MBP 13 inch and the hard drive is a Hitachi 5400 and it is not to expensive why does not Apple put a better HD that cost more than about $50.00? Take audio equipment for example the manufacturer uses expensive parts in their transistors and circuit boards when you are paying over $1000 for a preamp or cd player not crap!

dude monster cables are for huge TV studio's with scores of connections .Gomto OWC AND OR CNET AND BUY UPON THEIR REVIEWS
and a

$1000 dollars for a mac is low price to pay and bitch about components that you know nothing about ,APPLE uses fine components made for them
APPLE DOES NOT BUY off the shelf
they pre buy yrs in advance

most cables cost between 9 dollars to 39 dollars
spent no more

what exactly do you own because your posts are more confusing than mine


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i just bought a 2700 dollar 15mbp
it is fast
and great


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post #19 of 42
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electrically identical

no it is not the same
be careful

best buy sells a $9 dollar cable that is the same as the $60 dollar one
except the tips are gold not gold plated

go to CNET FOR buying advice

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post #20 of 42
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no it is not the same
be careful

Sorry, same.

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best buy sells a $9 dollar cable that is the same as the $60 dollar one
except the tips are gold not gold plated

And when the signal doesn't get there, it doesn't get there just as fast as on the $9 cable. The gold-plated tips are for rappers to tout their bling.

And I believe "Fo'Shizzle" is the proper ending for this, though my ghetto slang is not based on experience.

Also, monoprice.com

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post #21 of 42
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dude monster cables are for huge TV studio's with scores of connections .Gomto OWC AND OR CNET AND BUY UPON THEIR REVIEWS
and a

$1000 dollars for a mac is low price to pay and bitch about components that you know nothing about ,APPLE uses fine components made for them
APPLE DOES NOT BUY off the shelf
they pre buy yrs in advance

...

There are so many things wrong with this post and the one that follows that it is not funny. Apple demands high-quality from its providers. That is not the same as paying foolishly high prices where price ensures neither quality nor performance.

As for your statement about Apple pre-buying, I can only shake my head. How can you pre-buy components that did not exist six months ago? For established materials and components, it would be the height of financial folly for Apple to enter into long-term contracts with one set of suppliers only to have their contractors' competition provide better products and services at lower cost.

As difficult as this is for you to understand, Apple did not become the second highest capitalized company on Earth by engaging in stupid purchasing practices.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Me View Post

There are so many things wrong with this post and the one that follows that it is not funny. Apple demands high-quality from its providers. That is not the same as paying foolishly high prices where price ensures neither quality nor performance.

As for your statement about Apple pre-buying, I can only shake my head. How can you pre-buy components that did not exist six months ago? For established materials and components, it would be the height of financial folly for Apple to enter into long-term contracts with one set of suppliers only to have their contractors' competition provide better products and services at lower cost.

As difficult as this is for you to understand, Apple did not become the second highest capitalized company on Earth by engaging in stupid purchasing practices.

Apple has been pre buying for atlas 5 yrs now . How do you pre buy far in advance for products that on still in the planning stage ???

YOU send them 2 or 300 million dollars upfront and you request that when said items are ready and have passed all the test you would like 3 million hard drives
or 19 million
that how i guess
apple does not ever use cheap product
apple may charge a high price
fine then don't buy
go to DELL and enjoy off the shelf RE furbed 3rd world country after market crap .


APPLE PRE BUYS ALL THE TIME For the SMART BIZ PRACTICE OF LOWER D PRICING AND ALWAYS HAVING A SUPPLY ON HAND OR ON THE WAY .



your Smug post tells me you should re read past news articles about apple buying stuff

i liked the article where apple bought in advance 500 million dollars worth of flash drives in a very down market
apple locked in 5 yrs of super high quality and super low pricing
samsung was the other party .
6 months later flash drives sales went hurt the roof
apple hit a grandslam on that one
you must feel very silly right now


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post #23 of 42
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apple does not ever use cheap product

Don't be naïve.

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apple may charge a high price

Not the point he's making.

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go to DELL and enjoy off the shelf RE furbed 3rd world country after market crap .

Dell uses IDENTICAL parts. HDD, CPU, GPU, RAM, ODD, and displays are all off the shelf inside Apple's computers. If you ever actually open one up, you'll see that.

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apple locked in 5 yrs of super high quality and super low pricing

*light chuckle for "super high quality"*

About the only "super high quality" thing Apple has guaranteed is display panels, and they're not the exclusive recipient thereof.

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you must feel very silly right now

Oh, awkward... I was going to say the same about you.

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Why is Apple using HD that are noisey in the MBP models for 2011.Using Toshiba and Hitachi drivers? Common all you mavens out there should know some solutions to this. I am desperate for your answers thanks How about the moderators on this forum helping out a newbie?

Probably because there are only a few manufactures of hard drive out there, those two being the main ones. That being said Apple does, from my experience, tend to use some cheap hard drives....

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Don't be naïve.



Not the point he's making.



Dell uses IDENTICAL parts. HDD, CPU, GPU, RAM, ODD, and displays are all off the shelf inside Apple's computers. If you ever actually open one up, you'll see that.



*light chuckle for "super high quality"*

About the only "super high quality" thing Apple has guaranteed is display panels, and they're not the exclusive recipient thereof.



Oh, awkward... I was going to say the same about you.

to a point APPlE AND DELL due buy from the same vendors .
except DELLS razor thin profit forces it to always get stuck on the spot market for its goods . AND REFURBS LIVE ON THE SPOT MARKET


ALSO DELL has so many laptop lines with millions of choice's quality control and pre buying .

The real issue is >>? does APPLE PRE PAY AND PRE BUY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FLASH DRIVES AND THE SUCH .

I SAY YES

THIS OTHE NICE GUY SAYS I AM STUPID TO THINK THAT

WHAT SAYS YOU??


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Sorry, same.



And when the signal doesn't get there, it doesn't get there just as fast as on the $9 cable. The gold-plated tips are for rappers to tout their bling.

And I believe "Fo'Shizzle" is the proper ending for this, though my ghetto slang is not based on experience.

Also, monoprice.com

I STAND CORRECTED


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Originally Posted by RepairZoom View Post

Probably because there are only a few manufactures of hard drive out there, those two being the main ones. That being said Apple does, from my experience, tend to use some cheap hard drives....

tThat is not fair to the consumer spending a lot of cash and they install cheap hard drives.
post #28 of 42
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

dude monster cables are for huge TV studio's with scores of connections .Gomto OWC AND OR CNET AND BUY UPON THEIR REVIEWS
and a

$1000 dollars for a mac is low price to pay and bitch about components that you know nothing about ,APPLE uses fine components made for them
APPLE DOES NOT BUY off the shelf
they pre buy yrs in advance

most cables cost between 9 dollars to 39 dollars
spent no more

what exactly do you own because your posts are more confusing than mine


......
i just bought a 2700 dollar 15mbp
it is fast
and great


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I just bought a MBP 13 inch 2.3 gig with 320 Hard Drive.what is confusing about that?
post #29 of 42
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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post

tThat is not fair to the consumer spending a lot of cash and they install cheap hard drives.

Hard drives AREN'T expensive now. There's nothing that SHOULD be done about that.

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tThat is not fair to the consumer spending a lot of cash and they install cheap hard drives.

This is true, but dont forget Apple at the end of the day has to answer to its share holders. If you put a 5400 drive in there standard, that will satisfy 98% of the population and save you money and the other 2% who need or use the faster speed, will probably have no problem spending the extra $$$ to upgrade.....

Remember Apple like ALL companies didn't get successfully by wasting money...

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post #31 of 42
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Why is Apple using HD that are noisey in the MBP models for 2011.Using Toshiba and Hitachi drivers? Common all you mavens out there should know some solutions to this. I am desperate for your answers thanks How about the moderators on this forum helping out a newbie?

If this is the same noise you were asking about in the other thread you started, it was explained that you were hearing the optical drive on startup, not the hard drive.
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post #32 of 42
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For your information Monster cables are very expensive about $500 for interconnects alone. So don't knock it.I just sold a core 2 duo MBP 2010 model 13 inch with chirping noises now I buy a brand new 2011 i5 and the same crap again. Why if the quality control is so great with Apple!

Again, see above. It has nothing to do with quality control. I have a MacBook Pro and the hard drive is dead silent. If you have a new MBP and the HD is actually making an excessive amount of noise you should have it looked at while it is still under warranty.

However, given what you said in the other thread, you're most likely hearing the optical drive head reset on startup, and it's not a problem.
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post #33 of 42
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Again, see above. It has nothing to do with quality control. I have a MacBook Pro and the hard drive is dead silent. If you have a new MBP and the HD is actually making an excessive amount of noise you should have it looked at while it is still under warranty.

However, given what you said in the other thread, you're most likely hearing the optical drive head reset on startup, and it's not a problem.

You are correct thank you.
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Hard drives AREN'T expensive now. There's nothing that SHOULD be done about that.

In your opinion what is a good hard drive cost which is 7200 hd?
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post

In your opinion what is a good hard drive cost which is 7200 hd?

In my opinion you couldn't do much better than this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148599

Seagate 2.5in 750GB 7200rpm - $99

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In my opinion you couldn't do much better than this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148599

Seagate 2.5in 750GB 7200rpm - $99

Would it be better than the Hitachi HD i am using now in the MBP? thanks
post #37 of 42
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This is true, but dont forget Apple at the end of the day has to answer to its share holders. If you put a 5400 drive in there standard, that will satisfy 98% of the population and save you money and the other 2% who need or use the faster speed, will probably have no problem spending the extra $$$ to upgrade.....

Remember Apple like ALL companies didn't get successfully by wasting money...

That is not wasting money it is using decent parts which the consumer should when buying the Apple products.
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to a point APPlE AND DELL due buy from the same vendors .
except DELLS razor thin profit forces it to always get stuck on the spot market for its goods . AND REFURBS LIVE ON THE SPOT MARKET


ALSO DELL has so many laptop lines with millions of choice's quality control and pre buying .

The real issue is >>? does APPLE PRE PAY AND PRE BUY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FLASH DRIVES AND THE SUCH .

I SAY YES

THIS OTHE NICE GUY SAYS I AM STUPID TO THINK THAT




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Truthfully no one knows where Apple gets their parts from.Not even the retailers

Uh... sure we do.

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Uh... sure we do.

Is this a redundant answer from you?
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