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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

Guess the long haul is over. Time now for the iPad killer - the Zune Tablet!

The fabled Zublet! ...now we'll never know...

But seriously, I do feel a bit sorry for the Zune. If it hadn't been born to such terribly unfit parents the poor thing could have amounted to something and that might have been nice to see.
post #42 of 145
I have not seen or used a Zune, but at least one Apple expert I respect and listen to on MacBreak Weekly podcast speaks highly of it. In fact, he uses it instead of an iPod because he prefers the subscription model.

So not everyone thinks it's a bad idea. Just not enough. I think the reason Zune failed has as much to do with Apple momentum as it does with quality or features. Too little too late for MS.

As for me, I have stopped using my iPod because its function has just been rolled into my iPhone. Why carry two devices?

MS may be going the same route. The Zune music player functionality is just being rolled into the Windows 7 Phone. So while the hardware may be going away, the software isn't.

Of course this all begs the question whether or not MS's phone will survive the fierce competition. They're going to need to offer some serious reason why one shouldn't go with Apple or Android, or even HP/Palm. The Windows "halo effect" is long gone.
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post #43 of 145
Shareholders in Micro$loth will demand Ballmer be ejected by the end of 2011. The new CEO, charged with improving shareholder value, will then move to breakup the company a'la Motorola.

Microsoft will be gone as an entity by the end of 2012. It's just too bad it takes so long for thieving bastards to get their due.
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Of all the dumbass things Microsoft have done over the years, I would vote releasing a Zune in brown as the second dumbest thing.

The dumbest obviously is Balmer being appointed CEO.

What do you think second dumbest is?

I'm not sure the brown color by itself would have been quite so bad, but at the same time Ballmer was talking about "squirting" songs - put the two together, and double yuck!
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I liked Zune software much better than iTunes!!!! Please Apple, fix that "user experience"!!!!!

I agree. I own and love my ZuneHD. The media experience was unparalleled. ZunePass is an awesome service and I get to listen to tons of new music. I'm not sure why some Apple fans rejoice..multiple vendors in a marketplace create competition and keep prices under control. What happened when Apple got into a dominant position? they boned any developer with their subscription tax. No dominant vendor is good for competition and competition. Microsoft and Google keep Apple on their toes.
I love my iPad, iPhone, and Macbook Pro...but the ZuneHD is/was an awesome product that I enjoy quite a bit.
Competition is good, folks...
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Microsoft's direct effort to challenge Apple's iPod, introduced in 2006 under the Zune brand, is being abandoned after a failure to gain traction in the market.

The death of Zune comes as quite a shock to me I thought it had already kicked the bucket.

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Of all the dumbass things Microsoft have done over the years, I would vote releasing a Zune in brown as the second dumbest thing.

That's its natural color, as it comes out the end of the assembly line.

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The dumbest obviously is Balmer being appointed CEO.

May he hang on as CEO for as long as it takes!

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Originally Posted by Rockarollr View Post

You would think that Microsoft would be the one to get the software end of things going the best. After all, they are supposed to be a software company.

ROFLOL

Haha, <gasping for breath/> that's a good one! Hadn't heard that one before!

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Absolute dumbest was appointing Ballmer in the first place. The only good product on his watch has been Kinect.

Accidents do happen!

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Originally Posted by brentbordelon View Post

What Microsoft should do is QUIT trying to catch up with everyone else and start focusing on something new and different like they did 20 years ago.

Haha, you're funny! Twenty years ago they were copying Apple et al, and blatantly ripping off intellectual property from small companies who couldn't afford to litigate against them. That's what they've always done, and i think that's all they know how to do. But it's a different environment, and those old tricks don't play so well today.

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That's the only chance they have of ever being as good as they once were.

Then they haven't a prayer.

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As a side note, I've thought of another dumbest thing Microsoft ever did. If you were to look at it from the point of view of a Microsoft shareholder, I would think giving Apple money to keep them going in 1997 was pretty stupid.

I'm not sure Apple wouldn't have survived without that. What a lot of folks don't know is that Apple saved M$'s ass a couple decades prior. M$ was teetering on the abyss of bankruptcy when Apple came along and gave them a contract to write AppleSoft BASIC. Had Apple chosen to develop that in-house, nobody would have ever heard of Bill Gates or Microsoft.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

I agree about Windows Phone 7 - I had a look at a colleagues and was really impressed with it. It does some things really nicely.

Kinect is pretty cool too. There's lots of other applications you could see that technology be used for.

As a side note, I've thought of another dumbest thing Microsoft ever did. If you were to look at it from the point of view of a Microsoft shareholder, I would think giving Apple money to keep them going in 1997 was pretty stupid.

Lol now that's the dumbest suggestion ever. MSFT gave apple money because it didn't want to be broken up.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

I have not seen or used a Zune, but at least one Apple expert I respect and listen to on MacBreak Weekly podcast speaks highly of it. In fact, he uses it instead of an iPod because he prefers the subscription model.

So not everyone thinks it's a bad idea. Just not enough. I think the reason Zune failed has as much to do with Apple momentum as it does with quality or features. Too little too late for MS.

As for me, I have stopped using my iPod because its function has just been rolled into my iPhone. Why carry two devices?

MS may be going the same route. The Zune music player functionality is just being rolled into the Windows 7 Phone. So while the hardware may be going away, the software isn't.

Of course this all begs the question whether or not MS's phone will survive the fierce competition. They're going to need to offer some serious reason why one shouldn't go with Apple or Android, or even HP/Palm. The Windows "halo effect" is long gone.

apple is trying to do the subscription thing as well. There was an article on it several weeks back.
post #49 of 145
I agree with those who say apple needs to upgrade iTunes seriously even if hey have to force people to the new version
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The cut off text drives me nuts. I hate that, and I'm glad it's off the market. Such horrible gui design.

Sheldon
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I think the Zune pass with ten free songs per month was a great deal. There are other subscription services out there that don't offer free songs. Pandora is a popular service. I listen to it sometimes as well as Last.fm, AOL Radio, and iTunes Radio.

It would be interesting if Microsoft would configure their software to work with iPods and the other iProducts. When I eventually get an iPhone 5 I just might subscribe to it.

If I were to own a portable music player it would be the Sansa Fuse. I would choose that one solely because it works with Linux and FLAC.

I hate Vista therefore I avoid using any other product from Microsoft. Will MS become a game company that also has office software? Windows 7 was not impressive at all. It is on the computers at one of my jobs and it is slow and clunky just like Vista. It doesn't crash with the limited software I used, but even running Outlook the thing was a snail. My old XP computer with a 1.8 GHz Celeron processor was faster than the 2.4 GHz Dual Core Intel processor running Windows 7.

I use Ubuntu with a dual boot Vista. Ubuntu runs so much faster than Windows 7, Vista, and it equals Leopard. Sure it has bugs and needs lots of plug ins. Why complain IT'S FREE! How can MS compete with something free that does a better job than their $189 package? If more people had friends who could hook them up with Ubuntu, MS Windows 7 would just die.

With Zune dead and Apple growing, will manufacturers start looking for a different OS supplier? Some tried Linux for a while. Maybe they'll switch to Chromium if Google can ever get it going, or did they give up on it by now?
post #52 of 145
I think the wags equating Zune to Xoom was the final straw...

For both MSFT and MMI.
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Of all the dumbass things Microsoft have done over the years, I would vote releasing a Zune in brown as the second dumbest thing.

The dumbest obviously is Balmer being appointed CEO.

What do you think second dumbest is?

That stupid paper clip they put in word trumps all.
post #54 of 145
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Of all the dumbass things Microsoft have done over the years, I would vote releasing a Zune in brown as the second dumbest thing.

The dumbest obviously is Balmer being appointed CEO.

What do you think second dumbest is?

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- "developers, developers, developers, developers, developers," (ad nauseum) by a sweaty, bald guy.
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... and steaming!

... SOZ(X)... As in slower than smoke on ....
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post #56 of 145
Maybe they can license the "squirting" part to someone else...
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Originally Posted by kube View Post

Microsoft "bob". Truly amazing.

I asked myself, "what the heck is Microsoft Bob?" I'd never heard of it (that I recall). So a quick trip to the Wiki.... Bob was "intended to be a user-friendly interface for Microsoft Windows." WTF? Wouldn't it have been better if they made a good user friendly version of Windows to begin with?

Herein lies the crux. Nobody gave a crap about Microsoft. EVERYONE wanted to be compatible with IBM (end users... banks, insurance companies, gov't agencies, etc). It may have been genius and cunning on Bills part, or dumb ass luck, or a combination, but when Microsoft got the rights to develop DOS for IBM... they were just handed the keys to control the entire market. So they were pretty much lazy from the very beginning and really weren't interested in making good products. (XBox & to some extent Excel being the only decent products)

They controlled the market through sheer force and screwed society as a whole for 20 years. Now the market is changing, users have real choices for products that are much better. Microsoft has yet to learn how to innovate their way out of a paper bag.

Microsoft is likely to continue on this downward slide for some time... and I'll shed no tears. Who knows, they may eventually even be bought up by someplace like Google or Facebook.
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

ROFL!! Yes, there can be no doubt, it failed only because of the reasons AI wrote about.

From everything I read the Zune it actually was reasonably good hardware. They had a great music subscription system, Zune Pass. All the music in their library for $15 bucks per month, plus you get credits to buy 10 songs each month.

I think the Zune failed primarily because of Microsoft's horrible marketing and of course, Apple's market dominance (well deserved be that as it may).

-kpluck

I thought this too, but then I actually used the thing. It wasn't half as good as advertised. The screen wasn't good, and the UI was terrible (but pretty). The same is true with WP7. I just don't like the UI (although its lickably good looking). Its really easy to get lost, and its really hard to tell where you have to go. And its filled with swiping, which of all the iOS gestures, is my least favorite. It just loses to the pinch, and the reverse pinch because there is no better way to achieve what those gestures achieve. A simple button to move onto the next page is far more efficient than swiping around. A swipe is necessary on a large contiguous page, like a website, and unfortunately, the WP7 UI is designed the same way, for no good reason other than looks.

I have also seen other less tech savvy folks use it, and get really confused about how to do things. I honestly think its the Zune syndrome. Fanbois are the only ones buying it, and well then obviously the reviews will be good.

On the other hand, I have to give tremendous credit for MS for making the best looking mobile OS and not just blindly imitating the iPhone, a la Android. And while I will never grow fond of the swiping, there is great potential in WP7 if they think out the user interface more thoroughly.
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Maybe they can license the "squirting" part to someone else...

Porn stars maybe?

Edit: Nevermind. I was thinking biological instead of technological.
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- "developers, developers, developers, developers, developers," (ad nauseum) by a sweaty, bald guy.

Interestingly, if you look up "sweaty bald guy" in the dictionary there is a picture of Ballmer!
post #61 of 145
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Originally Posted by phalanx View Post

I liked Zune software much better than iTunes!!!! Please Apple, fix that "user experience"!!!!!

Evidently, you were in a very tiny minority.
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Originally Posted by brentbordelon View Post

Therein lies a big part of Microsoft's problem. They were once great in their own right, but that wasn't enough.

Mistake 1:
They attempted to take on others in areas where they clearly were at a disadvantage.

Mistake 2:
Instead of realizing that they had bitten off more than they could chew, they just chewed harder. Meanwhile, everyone else happily progressed into the 21st century.

Mistake 3:
Too little too late - Realizing that they were falling behind everyone else, they've spent the last 5 years trying frantically to catch up with the competition that they were once so sure they could crush.

What Microsoft should do is QUIT trying to catch up with everyone else and start focusing on something new and different like they did 20 years ago. That's the only chance they have of ever being as good as they once were.

At least that's the opinion of a 25 year Microsoft developer

Interesting perspective...

On the cusp of the post PC era, most people are concentrating on hardware...

I believe the key to the post PC era is the OS/UI -- and porting Windows to ARM is only half the job.
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post #63 of 145
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That stupid paper clip they put in word trumps all.

They could use it now.......I see you're making a desperate attempt to copy Apples products, can I help you with that?

Although when trying to save it would have to say, "I see you've already made a desperate attempt to copy Apples products......."
post #64 of 145
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

ROFL!! Yes, there can be no doubt, it failed only because of the reasons AI wrote about.

From everything I read the Zune it actually was reasonably good hardware. They had a great music subscription system, Zune Pass. All the music in their library for $15 bucks per month, plus you get credits to buy 10 songs each month.

I think the Zune failed primarily because of Microsoft's horrible marketing and of course, Apple's market dominance (well deserved be that as it may).

-kpluck

My neighbor has a Zune and really likes it. I sent him this story link.

Really though, I completely agree. The Zune was good hardware with OK software at best. The marketing was terrible (an entire campaign based on the word "social?"--WTF?). It's funny...I just posted on this topic of "iPod Killers."

Originally posted by SDW2001:
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It's like that every time a company tries to take down the iTunes/IPod/iPhone/iPad ecosystem. It's also like that with every iPad and iPod "killer" released. It's actually quite pathetic. Apple releases something, and everyone from Sony to RIM to M$ spends two years trying to catch up and release a "really great product that is in some ways better than the _____"

In each instance, they fail to realize that Apple's device is more than the sum of its parts. Everything works together seamlessly, even if there are some spec and feature flaws. Take that seamless, sleekly designed device, then add Apple's undeniable brand and "cool" factors, then combine it with a rabid fan/customer base and great marketing. Bingo, the Apple i____"

It's funny to watch company after company fail to "get it." They release products that are often technically better than Apple's (and sometimes not). But their phones are not iPhones. Their tablets are not iPads. Their stores are not Apple Stores. Their products quietly slip into obscurity...and not the "cult classic" kind of obscurity...just regular obscurity. They fail to realize that as much R&D as Apple does, as much innovation as they do...they have done just as much or more building of their gobal brand...eh... ICON. That is the icing on the cake. Apple is seen as cool, sexy, smart, modern, hip. Does anyone thing RIM or Microshaft are sexy? Cool? Smart? Hip? Of course not. These companies just don't realize that people aren't just buying products. They're buying the brand itself. They aren't just buying an awesome phone, or tablet, or computer that does really cool things. They're buying Apple.

I'm starting to wonder when some of these companies will just go their own way. Motorola has done that somewhat with its marketing towards men with the Droid. Some should just do what they do. Often, what they "do" is not where Apple lives. Does Sony really need a music store? Why does Micro$oft need to be in the phone OS business? Focus on what what got you there...Office and Windows...maybe XBox more recently. Samsung makes great displays/TVs. Stick to it. Sony makes audio/video equipment, PCs and video game systems. Stick to it. Apple doesn't care about TVs and video game consoles and AVRs.

Seems to me we have a whole bunch of huge companies consistently trying to out-Apple each other. FAIL.
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wilco, if you are out there, I think it is only fitting that you return and deliver the eulogy.

wilco, I forgot all about wilco! He's the reason I joined AI (because his Zune posts were driving me up the wall, and I had to sign on to respond).
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The Zune was DOA. The hardware was horrible. The UI was fugly, the software was terrible, the OS was slow and did I say fugly? The sound qualtiy was terrible. No apps. Zune pass is a total rip off.

Its too bad for Nokia. They are going to die beacuse Windows Phone == Zune. Total failure. Horrid OS, Horrid UI, Horrid Silverlight based software, horrid software integration with the terrible Zune Itunes clone.
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Originally Posted by hiker275 View Post

Microsoft is likely to continue on this downward slide for some time... and I'll shed no tears. Who knows, they may eventually even be bought up by someplace like Google or Facebook.

Now, that is a fascinating thought. Probably a few years ahead of its time, but a great prophecy nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by brentbordelon View Post

What Microsoft should do is QUIT trying to catch up with everyone else and start focusing on something new and different like they did 20 years ago. That's the only chance they have of ever being as good as they once were.

At least that's the opinion of a 25 year Microsoft developer

Welcome to AI, nice to hear from a veteran MS developer.

An honest question if I may. To what are you referring about MS 20 years ago, is it NT?

All the best.
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post #69 of 145
the one thing Microsofts R&D department was good at doing was using the photocopier!

now they cant even figure out how to get it working properly

maybe their photocopier still has legacy 386 drivers it it just like their OS
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

They could use it now.......I see you're making a desperate attempt to copy Apples products, can I help you with that?

Although when trying to save it would have to say, "I see you've already made a desperate attempt to copy Apples products......."

That would make a lot more sense if it were directed at Google and the manufacturers using Android. As it is right now, Microsoft isn't doing the lion's share of Apple-copying anymore. I was impressed with how different they made Windows 7 Phone when they could have taken the Google approach and rip iOS off wholesale.
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Is it my imagination or do Zune and Xoom sorta sound alike?

Funny, I was just thinking that yesterday while wondering what is going on with the Zune anyway. What perfect timing for this article.
post #72 of 145
Finally. It seems like it has been around forever, like the blind man with both his legs chopped off begging on your street corner.
post #73 of 145
msft always copies somebody elses product and manages to fail.

the brown zune is a perfect example. they made every employee get a truck drivers license so that the zune would look like the brown ups trucks and found out they couldn't drive.

are the msft retail stores next to take a dive?
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

ROFL!! Yes, there can be no doubt, it failed only because of the reasons AI wrote about.

From everything I read the Zune it actually was reasonably good hardware. They had a great music subscription system, Zune Pass. All the music in their library for $15 bucks per month, plus you get credits to buy 10 songs each month.

I think the Zune failed primarily because of Microsoft's horrible marketing and of course, Apple's market dominance (well deserved be that as it may).

-kpluck

Well aren't you the brightest bulb in the room. Perhaps they should have had you running the thing. Give us a break. It was a floating turd from the beginning from a horrible company that continually shows that they are unable to innovate at any level.
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Originally Posted by edlover View Post

I agree. I own and love my ZuneHD. The media experience was unparalleled. ZunePass is an awesome service and I get to listen to tons of new music. I'm not sure why some Apple fans rejoice..multiple vendors in a marketplace create competition and keep prices under control. What happened when Apple got into a dominant position? they boned any developer with their subscription tax. No dominant vendor is good for competition and competition. Microsoft and Google keep Apple on their toes.
I love my iPad, iPhone, and Macbook Pro...but the ZuneHD is/was an awesome product that I enjoy quite a bit.
Competition is good, folks...

It is only compete morons who have no clue about basic business principles that call Apple's margin for sales on their system a "subscription tax". What retailer do you know that says "oh, I'll build a store and just let suppliers stock their inventory there while I do all the marketing, logistics, inventory, provide the sales and delivery platform, and take no cut of the sale"?
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Well aren't you the brightest bulb in the room. Perhaps they should have had you running the thing. Give us a break. It was a floating turd from the beginning from a horrible company that continually shows that they are unable to innovate at any level.

Except with the Kinect. They actually leapfrogged the competition there, and as much as I hate them, I have to begrudgingly admit they seem to have a real gem there. Of course, this is all based on sales figures and the comments of others, since I have never used a Kinect and would rather bite the pimple on a goat's nutsack than buy an Xbox 360.
post #77 of 145
I was reading an online SciFi novella the other week, set during the second half of this century. The author included his derision of Apple products ("Always expensive") iPod, and that he much preferred the Zune bur they were not in stock. so recommended another unknown brand- not sure now if it was Tut, Tat or something else.

Then, when it came to the public, he recommended the Samsung tablet. With more disparaging remarks about the iPad.


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post #78 of 145
About two weeks ago MS promised to sell the Zune HD (includes HD Radio) in Canada, claiming that it was not a dead product:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=zune%...ate=all&sort=0

ROTFL! Problem is that Canadian broadcasters have no interest in converting to HD Radio. iBiquity would have fraudulently collected royalties for Zune HD sales in Canada. MS is already in litigation over the Zune with the law firm of Galax Wolf, and iBiquity and the automakers are under investigation by Galax Wolf and Keefe Bartels. I think this was a move to avoid more legal problems. No question, with all of the issues with HD Radio, return rates for the Zune HD were probably high, plus MS had to pay iBiquity for including HD Radio. Fools!
post #79 of 145
I never have seen a Zune in the wild. I have seen them in stores, but never in the hands of a consumer.
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Of all the dumbass things Microsoft have done over the years, I would vote releasing a Zune in brown as the second dumbest thing.

Oh, I dunno, somehow brown suits a turd just fine.
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