[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>they existed but weren't glorified. no 14 year old would walk up to their girlfriend and say "hey bitch, get me a 40."</strong><hr></blockquote>
That happens now?
[quote]<strong>condoning an art form that promotes sensless violence, rape, and disrespecting women unilaterally across the board is a mistake.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"Art" is a malleable term. I'm not convinced that 90% of the music put out today is "art". To someone from a ghetto Shakespeare can be useless crap while Jurassic 5 will inspire them to go towards bigger things. It's too subjective.
It's entertainment, yes, it doesn't promote senseless violence, rape and disrespecting women any more than, say, million-selling video games. Mainstream rock is quite mysoginystic. (I don't know where you get "rape" from, anyway.)
[quote]<strong>find your top 10 rap albums. find the one w/o the explicit lyrics sticker. odds are you can't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
A parental advisory sticker means absolutely nothing. Some of the best albums of the last 15 years have a parental advisory sticker.
See my "Cussing" thread in FC for my opinion on profanity.
[quote]<strong>then find the one that promotes a healthy attitude towards women. or at least one that leaves them alone. dunno, although TuPac would be an exception (almost) to some of this in a few scattered songs, the majority of rap today is garbage.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Tupac was no woman-loving poet, his few "Dear Mama" songs notwithstanding.
I don't see how rap needs to be positive to be valid. Hard rock certainly doesn't have that requirement. My favorite rock is usually depressing, disturbing or outright violent.
Not to offend, but the way you're talking it sounds very much like you don't listen to hip-hop at all.
[quote]<strong>it's all recycled soundbytes from original work done 10-60 years ago. it's a disgrace to the great black music it steals so many catch phrases, refrains and the like from.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And rock'n'roll has relied on the same heavy/soft/heavy/soft song structure for the last 20 years.
Since hip-hop originated as a music of gathering it makes perfect sense that it is tied right into the culture it comes from. If you don't get the references, something as simple as a single sound then you're lost.
"You have to have heard the joke before." - Lenny Bruce
I love pop-culture and my mind (like most college males my age) is a warehouse full of reference: so I get it, I've heard the joke before. I'm not a gang-banging negro from Compton, but that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to like it. Using that logic then blacks aren't supposed to like Shakespeare.
You get stuff like 2 Live Crew, of course, which was just ignorant, but they are the exception, not the rule. If you're watching MTV then you've got problems anyway, don't look there for good music of any kind.
Should 12-year-olds listen to "Hit 'em Up" before going to school every day? Probably not.
Does an 18-year-old listening to "Hit 'em Up" make him a woman-abusing murdering rapist? No.