Overwhelming iPad 2 demand continues, Apple's online orders now ship in 4-5 weeks - Page 2

I managed to get my order in a few minutes early, 12:51am PST for a ATT 64gb Wifi + 3G. All the accessories other than dock have shipped and the iPad 2 stills says delivery between the 18th-25th..

Still glad I didn't stand in line or wait but I'm totally drooling for my iPad 2

RobStar

Apple is entering an interesting phase. They have achieved a volume of sales with iPad, iphone4 and now ipad2 that exceeds the ability to produce. Their weak point is now assembly and materials.

The iPhone 4 was maybe 4 months or more at limited stock levels. This alters the purchase cycle for upgraders. iPhone5 and iPad3 could become stretched beyond consumer acceptability.

Apple needs to take control of assembly, cause they can't just contract more plants it will stretch build quality and secrecy too thin. Let alone having to tool them up. Existing assembly providers are evidently over capacity, I'm sure apple would have them make more if they could.

Faster than Chinese and more secure, robotic reprogrammable assembly is the only way. That and buying supply chain for parts. Even more radical is in store Micro assembly.

That said, it going to help now.. I dread what is about to happen when it hits international, we'll be kucky if it doesn't end up with 2-3 months wait.

found a Target in NYC in a not so good neighborhood. called around 2pm and only one person in line. best buy downstairs in that mall already had a lot of people in line.

showed up at 4:40pm and was the 15th or 20th in line. walked out 5:45pm with a white 64gb wifi. only hiccup was my amex was declined due to a fraud alert and had to pay cash.

meanwhile the best buy line downstairs hadn't moved. don't know how much they got in, but my target looked like they got in 30 or 40 or so

Apple store nearest me (Marlton, NJ) always has lines so I pre-orded at 3:50am. I figured I'd swing by my local Best Buy since I was in the area around 3:45. Was #17 or so in line and got my ticket within 45 minutes. Of course, it took another 50 minutes to get checked out and done, but at least I had my iPad in hand (and cancelled the order to free up one for someone else). There's an AT&T store that was right next door selling them with nobody on line (only the 3G version), yet people who wanted 3G were still standing in Best Buy's line for some strange reason.

Yes, if, as expected, they are making as many as they can as fast as they can be made, they were forced. Of course they do know what their production schedule is, they just don't know exactly how many will be getting ordered. By looking at the estimated shipping times at the Apple store website, you can tell that they have run through the next shipping allotment. i.e. you have 500K units at launch, those get ordered, so they are forced to adjust the shipdate to when the next allotment arrives (or gets produced), say (100K units), when those are ordered, they are forced to push estimated ship times out to the scheduled arrival of the next allotment (another 100k units). So perhaps it should have read, "Apparently on-line orders have run through the first few allotments of iPad2's and to keep their estimated shipdates accurate, Apple changed the shipdates to when they expect to have the subsequent allotment of iPad2's available for shipping." That's not being forced? come on...

DaHarder = Tekstud ...and about half a dozen other trolls who can't get enough negative attention. He comes here between beatings with a green garden hose.

Apple taking physical control of production would be the worst thing to happen for Apple. Apple has demonstrated through their success and failure that their core skill is in design and marketing, not actual manufacturing. Taking on production would seriously dull their focus and drag down their ROI to boot.

He's the "King-of-all-things-Geek" over at Engadget.

They aren't cracking any whips on any slaves. There are 18 Skus, that means that the gross load is spread out rather thin. So yeah it is going to take time. Get over it.

Also, it is likely that they are running these things 80/20 in favor of the stores. But who knows what the total count is. For all we know, they can get 100k a week into the channel. Perhaps the whole 4 weeks thing is cause they actually have as much as 80k online orders. Or perhaps it is half that but they are being conservative on the times because they don't want to hit Foxconn with any stress over trying to fill 1 million units NOW.

In the end, this is for 99% of folks just a toy. A cool toy but a toy none the less. So seriously get over the wait, the world is not going to end cause you didn't get your toy today. Consider the folks in Japan and Indonesia who need clean water, food, dry clothes, a place to sleep. That's something to freak about a few days wait over. That is life and death.

Don't know about Apple's supply chain, but mine is affected: my iPad has been delayed by FedEx because of the quake.

Like another user said, you can't ramp up production just to meet initial demand. Your production rates need to be at a level that is sustainable for the life of the product. Apple was extremely smart in releasing the iPad at this time of year. It allows enough time for supply and demand to equalize right about the time of the "going back to school" market and soon after allows the stock to begin building up for the Holiday season.

I also believe the current wait times are due to the International launches being factored in -- well at least the European launch expected next week.

My company ordered an iPad2 on Monday (3/14/11) and was told initially it would ship in 3-4 weeks then later the same day was notified it would ship tomorrow (that's today!).

Possibly none. THey could be sitting on warehouses of units allocated for the international launch, refusing to do what they did last year by sending that stock to the US stores. Just to avoid last year.


THis part is correct, because they can't judge the demand. In gross units or which sku.

That said, there was another way to handle this and perhaps it is what Apple should do. ANd that's reservation only. No more walk ins. Period. No reservation, no item.

They have computer systems that manage the genius bar based on staffing and business hours, they have computer systems that allow you to reserve items based on stock numbers. I'm sure they can modify that set up a system that could calculate needed stock and how many customers they can handle and send out the qualities (rounded up to the full master packs if that is how they ship) to cover exactly what those folks requested and 'pick up tickets' for how many folks they can push through in a day. They could even set up the system to freeze reservations the appropriate number of days out for shipping. If you want to change your reservation after that cut off, you must cancel and go back to the back of the line. Including day of. Those all mighty business customers. No walk ins for them either. They call, place an order and when quantity to cover it can be shipped to the store in excess of the regular reservations it is and they can come pick it up. Or better yet, just ship it straight to them. I'm sure they are holding back 10-15% of stock for online orders, toss in another 5-10% for businesses to have their own queue. Sure it means even they might wait but they've survived this long and given that they are perhaps like 20% of Apple's over all business, why should they get to go to the front of the line just cause.

Yes it means that some folks will have to wait a little longer but what is better. Risking it over and over for nothing, or getting an email a few days later that says today is your day, you have from 9am-9pm to come in and get it and there is definitely one here for you.



I think you might be thinking backwards, at least about the phones. There's not limited stock due to production at all. There's limited production because the sales drop during this period because everyone KNOWS there's going to be a new phone in June/July. They aren't buying now and missing out on something better.

Same with the ipads probably. Once Christmas was over, sales likely went down because everyone KNEW there was going to be a new one around March/April.

Agreed for the most part. Apple's manufacturing needs have out grown anything that they would be able to produce on their own. It would take the rest of this decade to get their own plants up to the levels they need today. Besides, Apple pretty much controls the production of their products already. They don't own the manufacturing and fabrication plants, but I'm sure they have all the say in how things get made - You don't sign multi-billion dollar contracts without having complete oversight and ensuring you're getting the components you need, when you need them.

I'll agree with the statements I made in bold.


However, xsu is absolutely correct about going into manufacturing again: no way!

As an unabashed APPL cheerleader and stockholder, on the production side, I really think they have to start thinking about DYI slots or backs for some of there iDevices. There are just too many SKUs right now.

Also, if not better, is the idea of in-store micro assembly. Especially considering that certain stores, depending on their surrounding demographic, will sell more of one variety than the next. This way, Apple would retain the most of their mark-up for Nand sizes, rather than going the slot, DYI upgrade route.

I was going to mention, regional micro-assembly stations could work... but the personnel costs involved are still too high in Europe and Stateside.

Also, that dual-band world-chip is long overdue. I wonder what's holding it up? Probably sucks too much power(?).

Whatever. My prediction of 1 million+ on launch weekend looks like it was too low; and my other one looking forward: 60 mill. in 2011, with an all or nothing double down bet of 100 million IF Apple can keep up with demand at some point in the near future... well... I said I was a cheerleader

There is packaging info, writing on the back of the device, PSU adapters, and default language setups that would make it hard to resell to another country on short notice.

I was just talking to an Apple employee and he said in their pre-opening morning meeting, HQ said over 1MM IPad 2s have been sold so far. I'd expect an announcement by Apple today or would discount what that employee said. As far as the smart covers go, Red and Blue leather are selling out and Orange poly selling well. I wonder what the margins are in these covers?

Oh how wrong you are. I'm not basing my over-the-top predictions on consumer demand at all. I'm looking at enterprise, business integration, education, health and a number of other industries that very well could outpace consumer demand.

Considering what this device enables doctors and other professionals in the field, it very well could be the device to define "life and death". Yes, just as ubiquitous and necessary as a working cell phone. Think about the entire amount of diagrams, manuals, service records, maps, etc. all at the engineers and safety workers fingertips in Japan.

It fails to be "just a toy" at that point I would think.

BTW: I was told just that (it's only a toy), so many times to my face back in 1984 with the advent of the Mac and DTP in regards to the printing industry and typesetting. Less than 5 years later I made a killing setting up those very people with new Macs and imagesetters. Actually, I'm already doing the same with the iPhone and iPad 1. iPad 2 is having me consider expanding my business already, and it's not even here yet.

Yep. That "iPad toy" is a serious business machine in more ways than you could ever imagine.

I read that the factories are indefinitely closed that make TI ARM chips used in the PlayBook -- giving RIM a convenient excuse to delay the device until the OS and software are more refined.

A lot of flash memory is made in Japan.

A lot of LCD displays are made in Japan.

A lot of RAM chips are made in Japan.

A lot of other circuits used in smart phones and tablets are made in Japan,

The NVIDIA Tegra 2 may be made in Japan -- used in Xoom and Galaxy 10 * (and other coming Tabs).

One effect is that there is a dramatic rise in prices for most electronic components -- threatening device margins, sale prices and availability.

* It is interesting that the (Korean) Samsung Galaxy 10 Tab uses a NVDIA Tegra 2 CPU instead of a Samsung chip as used in the Galaxy tab. Sammy makes the A4 and A5 for Apple.

For sure! I keep seeing the Motorola Xoom commercials running constantly on T.V. as if in a desperate plea to 'buy me, buy me' ........on the other hand, not a single iPad 2 commercial in sight.
I went to my local Best Buy, where they had a pair of iPad 2s (one white, one black) on display. People were all over it, took me a good 30 minute wait to even play with it. So I went over to the Xoom, then the Tablet, then the color Nook first - no one wanted to see those

I was fortunate to get my iPAD on day one. (Well I guess most people that have it got it on day one) anyway, I went after work to Northpointe Mall in Alpharetta, GA. I got off at 4pm and got to the mall at 4:30pm. I went to the usual spot that Apple makes users wait but there were no lines....until i got to the store. The lines were going to other direction.

There must have been atleast 300 people and they were divided in 3 lines. I waited in line for about 2:30 hours total and it was worth it. The more I am using it the more I enjoy it. I have the ipad1 but this this new pad seems smaller because if the thinness. And the graphics coupled with the speed are amazing.

While I was in line my "buddy" was yelling in my ear about how he was getting the zoom because it was better and I was like "Ok, enjoy". He was kinda lost as to why I didnt argue with him. I seem to get a lot of people that want to argue as to why they should get a pad as opposed to something else. I say get what you want. Whatever makes you happy (even though I have a majority of reviews showing the the iPAD2 tops the zoom ;p)

Xoom sales are lackluster and the achilles heel is the honeycomb OS....too buggy and complicated. Says analyst Trip Chowdry. google declined comment!
LMAO!


http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...eycomb-210272/

Are you someone who can compete with the product line, or someone whose product and revenues are at the same level or better than Apple's? How about your workforce? Is it well-placed in areas where you can simultaneously promote high wages, high compensation and and low product pricing? Yeah, this is a throwndown. Put up or shut-up. Either bring it or walk away.

Yeah I thought so. All blow and no show.

From your words to Apple's ears!

And here, IMHO, is what Apple should do about this: Give everyone use of an iPad 1 for the interim. Yes, it creates a "used" iPad that has less value, but it nips the problem you've identified in the bud.

(Apologies to others who may have posted this idea previous to me - I just read this far down and had to react!)

Agree. See my previous post to Booga.

And where are these millions of interim iPad 1s coming from?

The selling price probably doesnt yield them much profit as it is, its just a way to get a foot in the door of this market. Dropping down to $595 would probably sell them all quickly, but at the risk of losing money on each transaction. You could say they could build more and economics of scale would kick in, but its that simple. You have to invest in x many units being manufactures and sourcing of those components, often not on a 1:1 ratio, then crunch the numbers. This is complex.

As for the ad, that too costs money. As for the No Waiting slogan, Apple could do the same by marketing No Waiting for apps. The iPad has 65k native apps while the Xoom has 100., No Waiting to buy a complete device. The iPad 2 is sold fully functional without needing to be sent back to the factory to have hardware added months later., No Waiting for your device. The iPad 2 destroys the Xoom in performance tests.

To my knowledge, Apple has plenty of them in stock, and is still manufacturing more. Do you know differently?

Apple will typically switch their production to focus on the new product a good month or two before it ships. Historically, weve seen an increase in delays of their products which has indicated that the revision is imminent, even though they hadnt officially made an announcement.

What I dont understand is how you know differently? What is the benefit for Apple maintaining two separate production lines for the same product shipping to the same country for the same price point? Did you see any original iPads for sale in the Apple Store? I didnt. I cant even find the iPad 1 at: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ . You have to go to their Refurbished iPad section to find them: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...mco=OTY2ODY4NQ

Again, what makes you think the original iPad is in full swing production for the US -and- why would making more original iPads instead of using that effort to make more iPad 2s benefit Apple or the consumer waiting for an iPad 2?

I had zero trouble finding iPad 1's on the Apple Online Store. 24 hour shipping.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...co=MjEzNzE1ODc

Try again....

P.S. - The link you gave to refurbished iPads leaves another way to go - let the customer have a refurbished iPad. 1-3 days shipping.

P.P.S. - To my knowledge, Apple started up a new assembly line for iPad 2's and is in the process of converting the old assembly lines from iPad 1's to iPad 2's - which is why they still sell the iPad 1's, but at a reduced price. Since it obviously takes time to retool from one type to the other, they will still be manufacturing the older version for some time, albeit in lesser amounts as time goes by.

Those are clearance items. I'm fairly certain they aren't producing more just to sell on clearance (unless there is an odd new definition for clearance).

One last time

1) Why do you think they are producing millions of original iPad for the American market?

2) Why do you think producing millions of the original iPad for temporary use makes since over using that effort to produce more iPad 2s that people actually want.

3) Where on http://www.apple.com/ipad/ is the original iPad listed?

I'm almost 100% sure you're wrong.

And your evidence to back up your almost 100% claim?

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...co=MjEzNTIxMzk

Note the clever use of the word clearance in the URL.

(1) Because they've dropped the prices by $100 each. Some people think about $ spent, and will be quite content with the older model. Check ebay. iPad 1's with 16 gigs are selling for $350. For another $50, you get one brand spanking new.

(2) I'm not talking about making more. I'm talking about using the ones that are already in the pipeline or already earmarked for manufacture.

(3) I gave you the url. Maybe you should try looking there. I punched up an order for an iPad 1 16 gig and it gave me shipping time of 24 hours.

For those that can't be bothered to read THOROUGHLY what people post, here it is again:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...co=MjEzNzE1ODc

So sad, Sacto Joe, so sad.

I know you are, but what am I? (Peewee Herman)

The silence is deafening....

Vandelay Industries - you would know about importing goods, wouldn't you? Or is it exporting you would know about? I forget.