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115-year-old electric car gets same 40 miles to the charge as Chevy Volt

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The Volt goes a little faster.
post #43 of 163
U.S. government opening formal probe into Volt fire risk

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U.S. auto safety regulators are opening a formal investigation into fire risks in General Motors' Volt vehicles, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Friday.

The NHTSA said it was taking the action after recreation this month of a May crash test resulted in fires in two out of three tests.

"While it is too soon to tell whether the investigation will lead to a recall of any vehicles or parts, if NHTSA identifies an unreasonable risk to safety, the agency will take immediate action to notify consumers and ensure that GM communicates with current vehicle owners," NHTSA said.

Earlier in November, the agency said it was looking into the safety of batteries used to power electric vehicles after fire broke out in a Volt battery pack three weeks after a side-impact crash test.

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post #45 of 163
If that testing lab had just discharged the battery before storing the car that fire never would have happened. Do they park crashed gas powered cars with full tank of gas?
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If that testing lab had just discharged the battery before storing the car that fire never would have happened. Do they park crashed gas powered cars with full tank of gas?

Agreed. Two fires out of the....dozens they've sold.
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If that testing lab had just discharged the battery before storing the car that fire never would have happened. Do they park crashed gas powered cars with full tank of gas?

Do people who get in accidents do that? Not necessarily...
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GM considers new battery for Volt, offers to buy back hybrids from pyrophobic customers

Tax money well spent? What an absolute joke.

I've not read the article, but your comment has prehistoric Ron Paul, plastered from seam to shining seam all over it, regardless.
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I've not read the article, but your comment has prehistoric Ron Paul, plastered from seam to shining seam all over it, regardless.

Read the article before you post.
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I've not read the article, but your comment has prehistoric Ron Paul, plastered from seam to shining seam all over it, regardless.

Unprovoked, unnecessary personal attack noted.
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Unprovoked, unnecessary personal attack noted.

Personal attack on Ron Paul? Not sure how you are interpreting a slight against Jazz here.

 

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post #52 of 163
Volt Battery Issues Growing, Safety Findings May Have Been Suppressed

Government withholding information from the people? Shocking.

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post #54 of 163

What a miserable failure of a vehicle. It's expensive. It doesn't have some basic power features, like front power seats. And it's got mixed results on fuel economy, depending on how many miles it's driven at once. Best of all, the sticker is $40,000 with the aforementioned subsidies. This is what happens when the government is in the car business...and I don't just mean owning GM.
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Every step of the process has a government stamp on it but who will get the blame if it fails, why big business of course.

It's a good point. Everyone knows it's a "mixed economy" (not pure capitalism and not pure socialism). And yet when something goes wrong it is always capitalism that gets the blame.

That doesn't seem right to me. Has there never been a problem caused by bad regulation? Surely there has. It is a sign that critics are blaming capitalism without thinking it through.
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Chevy Volt misses first-year sales target

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The company reported today that it sold 7,671 Chevy Volts in 2011, fewer than the 10,000 it had expected to sell.

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Chevy Volt misses first-year sales target

I was under the impression that they didn't "sell" ANY. The only way to get one was via a lease.

Perhaps I was misinformed... Or perhaps they are considering it a "Sale" whenever someone signs a 'Lease".
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post #58 of 163
It seems as if many people here are rooting against the success of the Chevy Volt, or at the very least, reveling in what they claim to be its failure (the Prius sold 5,800 in its first year in North America at a much lower price point). Whether or not you agree with the government involvement with GM, rooting against the success of the Volt is much akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. If anything is anti-American, doesn't rooting for the failure of its investments and endeavors qualify?

 

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post #59 of 163
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It seems as if many people here are rooting against the success of the Chevy Volt, or at the very least, reveling in what they claim to be its failure (the Prius sold 5,800 in its first year in North America at a much lower price point). Whether or not you agree with the government involvement with GM, rooting against the success of the Volt is much akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. If anything is anti-American, doesn't rooting for the failure of its investments and endeavors qualify?

Way to play the Anti-American card BR. You guys truly have no shame.

No-one here 'rooted' for the failure of the Volt. We simply saw it coming a mile away, because we understand how economies work.
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It seems as if many people here are rooting against the success of the Chevy Volt, or at the very least, reveling in what they claim to be its failure (the Prius sold 5,800 in its first year in North America at a much lower price point). Whether or not you agree with the government involvement with GM, rooting against the success of the Volt is much akin to cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. If anything is anti-American, doesn't rooting for the failure of its investments and endeavors qualify?

Let's review the first post since you would rather make up bad intentions for people and then question them instead of looking at the facts.

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This is the car that subsidies built. General Motors lobbied for a $7,500 tax refund for all buyers, under the shaky (if not false) promise that it was producing the first all-electric mass-production vehicle.

At least that's what we were once told. Sitting in a Volt that would not start at the 2010 Detroit Auto Show, a GM engineer swore to me that the internal combustion engine in the machine only served as a generator, kicking in when the overnight-charged lithium-ion batteries began to run down. GM has continually revised downward its estimates of how far the machine would go before the gas engine fired, and now says 25 to 50 miles.

It turns out that the premium-fuel fired engine does drive the wheels--when the battery is very low or when the vehicle is at most freeway speeds. So the Volt really isn't a pure electric car after all. I'm sure that the people who designed the car knew how it ran, and so did their managers.

Why then the need to keep this so quiet? It's doubtful that GM would have gotten such a subsidy if it had been revealed that the car would do much of its freeway cruising with a gas engine powering the wheels. While the Volt is more complicated than the Prius, and has a longer battery-only range, a hybrid is a hybrid, and the Prius no longer qualifies for a tax credit.

BTW, when my friends and I were reading the hype for the Volt, we were all over it. A single platform onto which you could put multiple bodies because it was a pure electric vehicle with no messy motor, great range, quick charging, etc. The hype was no where near the reality.

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n other words, GM was desperate for customers for what they perceived would be an unpopular vehicle before one even hit the road. It had hoped to lure more if buyers subtracted the $7,500 from the $41,000 sticker price. Instead, as Consumer Reports found out, the car was very pricey. The version they tested cost $43,700 plus a $5,000 dealer markup ("Don't worry," I can hear the salesperson saying, "you'll get more than that back in your tax credit!"), or a whopping $48,700 minus the credit.

This vehicle costs almost 300% more than a similar gas car and there is no way the savings in fuel can repay the additional costs. It is a mass market electric car beta program.

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Another reason they aren't exactly flying off the lots is because, well, they have some problems. In a telling attempt to preserve battery power, the heater is exceedingly weak. Consumer Reports averaged a paltry 25 miles of electric-only running, in part because it was testing in cold Connecticut. (My engineer at the Auto Show said cold weather would have little effect.)

It will be interesting to see what the range is on a hot, traffic-jammed summer day, when the air conditioner will really tax the batteries. When the gas engine came on, Consumer Reports got about 30 miles to the gallon of premium fuel; which, in terms of additional cost of high-test gas, drives the effective mileage closer to 27 mpg. A conventional Honda ( HMC - news - people ) Accord, which seats 5 (instead of the Volt's 4), gets 34 mpg on the highway, and costs less than half of what CR paid, even with the tax break.

It isn't just a bad electric car. It is a bad gas car. It's bad all around. Instead of a hybrid, it ended up being a junk in all ways.

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Recently, President Obama selected General Electric ( GE - news - people ) CEO Jeffrey Immelt to chair his Economic Advisory Board. GE is awash in windmills waiting to be subsidized so they can provide unreliable, expensive power.

Consequently, and soon after his appointment, Immelt announced that GE will buy 50,000 Volts in the next two years, or half the total produced. Assuming the corporation qualifies for the same tax credit, we (you and me) just shelled out $375,000,000 to a company to buy cars that no one else wants so that GM will not tank and produce even more cars that no one wants. And this guy is the chair of Obama's Economic Advisory Board?

Should someone be not be rooting against the Volt when success is defined as a bunch of cars that don't work but the government will give you a third of a billion dollars to take them?

Don't worry, the money and the outcomes don't matter, only the intentions.

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post #61 of 163
You are begging the question regarding its alleged failure.

Actual laughter was produced when reading your final sentence.

 

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You are begging the question regarding its alleged failure.

Actual laughter was produced when reading your final sentence.

Actual laughter is produced every time I read one of your posts with the inane reasoning backed by name calling and bluster.

The Volt was supposed to save GM. Instead it is a massively expensive boondoggle.

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post #63 of 163
AP Source: GM to call back 8,000 Chevy Volts

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A person briefed on the matter says General Motors will ask Volt owners to bring their electric cars into dealers to strengthen the structure around the batteries.

The move is similar to a recall and involves the 8,000 Volts sold in the U.S. in the past two years.

The move comes after three batteries caught fire after side-impact crash tests done by federal safety regulators. The fires occurred seven days to three weeks after the tests and have been blamed on a coolant leak that caused an electrical short. No fires have broken out in real-world crashes.

The person says GM will contact Volt owners and have them return the cars to dealers for several structural repairs.

The repairs are a step below a formal recall.

The person did not want to be identified because GM executives will announce the plan later Thursday.

FAIL.

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post #64 of 163
GM CEO agrees to testify at Volt hearing in D.C.

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General Motors Chairman and CEO Dan Akerson agreed Wednesday to testify next week before a House panel investigating the government's handling of an investigation into fire risks in the Chevrolet Volt.

So the government is having an internal investigation about the handling of another government internal investigation into the fire risks of a car manufactured by a government-owned car company.

I wonder what conclusion they'll reach. (Hint: it won't be that the government did anything wrong, and if that actually is the conclusion nothing will be done about it.)

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U.S. Ends Chevy Volt Battery Fire Probe

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U.S. regulators ended an investigation into why Chevrolet Volt electric cars caught fire, and said electric vehicles do not pose a greater risk of fire.

The conclusion by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration came two weeks after General Motors Co. (GM) told owners to bring the vehicles to dealerships for repair.

“Based on the available data, NHTSA does not believe that Chevy Volts or other electric vehicles pose a greater risk of fire than gasoline-powered vehicles,” the agency said in an e- mailed statement today.

Nothing to see here. Move along. Buy Volts.

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Volt sales fall in January

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General Motors extended-range electric Chevrolet Volt had its worst sales month since August, as negative publicity over fire risks hurt vehicles sales in January.

GM sold just 603 Volts - above its sales in January 2011, but far below GM's best-ever sales month in December, when GM sold 1,529 Volts.

People don't want to buy poorly made, overpriced vehicles. Even when the government bribes them with their own money.

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People don't want to buy poorly made, overpriced vehicles. Even when the government bribes them with their own money.

Amazing how that works doesn't it? A study of Keynesian economics is basically the same mindset. Everybody but the leadership elites is an idiot and must be manipulated to dance and sing at the end of a string.

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Amazing how that works doesn't it? A study of Keynesian economics is basically the same mindset. Everybody but the leadership elites is an idiot and must be manipulated to dance and sing at the end of a string.

I had the same thought when I read this:

Obama unveils plan to control college costs

It's interesting that liberals do (sometimes) appear to understand basic economic principles...

For example when they want to tax things they want less of (e.g., fast food taxes)...or subsidize things they want to have more of (e.g., education, green energy, etc.)

...they simply don't think they always apply...or they don't apply their understanding consistently...or they think their good intentions will overcome the basic laws of supply, demand, marginal utility, etc.

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I had the same thought when I read this:

Obama unveils plan to control college costs

It's interesting that liberals do (sometimes) appear to understand basic economic principles...

For example when they want to tax things they want less of (e.g., fast food taxes)...or subsidize things they want to have more of (e.g., education, green energy, etc.)

...they simply don't think they always apply...or they don't apply their understanding consistently...or they think their good intentions will overcome the basic laws of supply, demand, marginal utility, etc.

It's also interesting how the motivations change based on what they want. If people can't get the medical care they want, it is because insurance companies are greedy. If they can't afford gas it is because of greedy oil companies. When they can't afford college it isn't because colleges are greedy though. Likewise when green energy costs so much more than conventional sources, it is never because they are greedy either.

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It's also interesting how the motivations change based on what they want. If people can't get the medical care they want, it is because insurance companies are greedy. If they can't afford gas it is because of greedy oil companies. When they can't afford college it isn't because colleges are greedy though. Likewise when green energy costs so much more than conventional sources, it is never because they are greedy either.

And they refuse to trace the causes beyond the greedy insurance companies, oil companies, and colleges.

They don't realize that in virtually every case those companies are ripping off the consumer BECAUSE of government, not in spite of it.

Take the health insurance companies, for example. Nobody (except Ron Paul and other liberty minded folks) ever talks about the HMO Act of 1973. It required (mandated) employers with more than 25 employees to offer "federally certified" HMO options. This resulted in the creation and growth of these huge health insurance companies we have today.

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And they refuse to trace the causes beyond the greedy insurance companies, oil companies, and colleges.

They don't realize that in virtually every case those companies are ripping off the consumer BECAUSE of government, not in spite of it.

Take the health insurance companies, for example. Nobody (except Ron Paul and other liberty minded folks) ever talks about the HMO Act of 1973. It required (mandated) employers with more than 25 employees to offer "federally certified" HMO options. This resulted in the creation and growth of these huge health insurance companies we have today.

Well of course if they really wanted to dig, they'd see the reason we have employer provided health insurance in the first place is because of government wage freezes during WWII.

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Well of course if they really wanted to dig, they'd see the reason we have employer provided health insurance in the first place is because of government wage freezes during WWII.

Wait a second.

I'm confused here.

Employers are evil and greedy. This is a fact. They hate their employees and would pay them a mere pittance were it not for the big, caring, watchful government (or unions). This is a fact also.

But what you seem to be saying here (correct me if I'm wrong) is that...hang on let me get this right...

The government put a cap on wages...and then private companies (greedy and evil...but then I repeat myself) chose to offer additional compensation in the form of medical insurance to get around this government-imposed wage cap?

OK. My head is kinda spinning here. I'll need to digest this. I'm sure this demonstrates the greediness and wickedness of private companies, especially toward their employees. I'm just not looking at it the right way.

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GE “Forcing” Employees Into Chevy Volts

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General Motors and General Electric are two companies that have been in the political crosshairs lately. GM stands accused of “crony capitalism,” while GE is under fire for paying no Federal income taxes in 2010. The two companies share more than that though, with GE placing an order for 12,000 Chevy Volts and other hybrid vehicles.

A memo leaked to Green Car Reports lays out GE’s plans for their new fleet of Volts, and as expected, it has some people crying foul.

The memo, sent to employees of GE Healthcare Americas team explains that all sedan, crossover, and minivan purchases in 2012 will be replaced by the Chevy Volt. Only field engineers are exempt from having to drive a company Volt.

GE will offer estimates for installation Level 2 Charging Stations, though all-gas use will be allowed when there is no electric option. Any employees who opt out of the Volt program will not be compensated for their expenses. Those who do choose to drive the Volt will be reimbursed for public charging and home charging costs, in addition to gas uses.

While some people are probably put off by having to drive a Volt, GE claims to have crunched the numbers and believes that in the long term, this will save the multi-national company big bucks. More than that though, GE is positioning itself as a big player in the EV charging market. Getting employees into Volts also means getting charging stations into homes.

It’s a bold move to be sure, and it will hopefully prove to be a boon to the Volt’s flagging sales numbers. GM had hoped to sell as many as 60,000 Volts in 2012, before dropping that number to 45,000. Will they even make that number though? Hard to tell, though GE’s business will go a long way towards giving the Volt some sales momentum.

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GE Forcing Employees Into Chevy Volts

GE has every right to dictate what car they buy for their employees to use. These are company cars not personal vehicles. It would be interesting to see where the crony capitalism leads on this one.
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GM to suspend production of Chevrolet Volt:

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General Motors is suspending production of its Chevrolet Volt electric car for five weeks amid disappointing sales.

A GM spokesman said Friday that the company will shut down production of the Volt from March 19 until April 23, idling 1,300 workers at the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant.
"We're taking a temporary shutdown," said GM spokesman Chris Lee. "We're doing it to maintain our proper inventory levels as we align production with demand."

GM sold 7,671 Volts last year, below its original goal of 10,000 cars. The company stopped publicly announcing sales targets last year. It sold 1,023 Volts in February and 603 in January.

"The fact that GM is now facing an oversupply of Volts suggests that consumer demand is just not that strong for these vehicles," said Lacey Plache, chief economist for auto information site Edmunds.com.

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GM to suspend production of Chevrolet Volt:

I'm sure another round of tax credit, gas taxes, loan guarantees and so forth will fix the problem.

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I'm sure another round of tax credit, gas taxes, loan guarantees and so forth will fix the problem.

Indeed.

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has anyone seen a volt NOT bought by fleets, and obama cronies

Maybe IDK. I live outside of detroit so I assume every volt I see is bought on a GM plan.
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Guys (and gals, if any), I started a separate thread here:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=145167

Which is strictly on its merits, please no political discussion, but your insight otherwise very much welcomed.

Basically, I think it looks like a great car, nice concept, electric and "hybrid" etc all that, only thing maybe is price. But tons of people around the world would still buy it. I think something is whack with the marketing.

Anyway, have at it, with the caveat above about non-political discussion.

Personally, I don't give a f*** about the political this-or-that. It seems like on its merits the ~sales~ of 100,000 a year globally are very possible.

I think it's a problem with GM and its fractious Vauxhall / Opel/ Holden management.

This is the kind of thing that Steve Jobs could market and distribute with one eye closed.

Something seems off. Price is not an issue. Just like the price of Macs.

Anyway here's the Australian version of the Chevy Volt "ad" [explanation video]... Some people say its better than the US version (ignoring accent differences). Please comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgd69GQh2Cc
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