In-depth Review: Apple's iPad 2 running iOS 4.3 - Page 4

Originally Posted by solipsism

Someone made their weekend troll bonus. This thread was completely ruined by Sue Denim...

Originally Posted by Aeolian

I'm an American half Asian, half Mutt from what my father says.

I don't like this either. I regret that it seems to be Asians that are doing this, but it's still a problem. I don't think it would be any different if it were, pardon my speech, 'white American looking people', that were buying iPad 2's and selling them on E- bay.

I do agree it should be 1 per person for now. Until they get enough of them out there.

Originally Posted by Sue Denim

Doesn't matter if you agree or not. But even though I want one (and will probably get one), some cons include:
4) lack of Flash (if you don't like it, turn it off. Some of us want it).
5) lack of integrated USB/Video or SD card (far more convenient way to transfer information without dragging around dongles)
6) lack of keyboard option (so far),
7) and so far, Apple seems to artificially be limiting availability. (No one seriously believes Apple couldn't offer better availability if they wanted, do they?)

Based on reviews, I'd also question Safari's performance (compared to Android's) - though I haven't found that to be a big limiter for myself.

Originally Posted by nvidia2008

Yes it's up there with the greats, those of whom we shall not name. Note of course her extensive list of Apple products owned. That's always a dead giveaway.

Originally Posted by nvidia2008

Waiting for Xcode 4 to download here. I did my Hello World in Xcode 3, hopefully will try out more stuff soon. It's probably a good sign I'm more interested in that rather than a new iPad 2 at the moment. Let them eat scalp!

Originally Posted by solipsism

The posting style tells me its a guy. The name Sue obviously comes from the pronunciation of pseudonym. I think its likely it one of the previous trolls under an alias they made last year. It does sound a lot like iGenius, though not as braindead as Teckstud and less rancorous than DaHarder. Regardless, Id bet money its a guy.

Originally Posted by sennen

very pro-Flash/Adobe.

Originally Posted by Sue Denim

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Originally Posted by Apple ][

They must also be very pro-advertisements, as that is one of the main uses for Flash.

I disable Flash on all of my Macs, I don't like to be bombarded with crappy ads that I have no interest in seeing when visiting web sites. Disabling Flash also makes for a much smoother web experience, especially on mobile devices. Instead of Flash ads showing up, there's an empty grey box on my Macs instead, and often there's many of them on a single web page. That tells you how many crappy ads are out there.

15 million iPad 1's sold in 2010 is also proof that many people simply don't care about or want flash anymore.

The people who often complain the most about the iPad not having Flash are pro-Android people, and those people are cheapskates, as many apps in the Android market place are built around advertisements. They don't mind advertisements in their apps, as they don't like to spend any money. So I'm not surprised that they would be pro-Flash. There's not much else that they can criticize the iPad for, so Flash seems to be one of their last talking points.

Flash needs to die. In the meantime, millions and millions of people who do represent customers with a significant amount of purchasing power will simply ignore Flash until it does eventually die out.

Originally Posted by djsherly

Actually, it's proof that 15 Million ipads were sold in 2010. Nothing more and nothing less.

Originally Posted by Gustav

It's a good question. I think Apple should build a small airport router/hard disk, sort of a "Time Capsule light" - with that, and a couple of management apps on the iPad, Apple could sell this bundle to those that don't want a computer.

Originally Posted by cameronj

You just said you could activate it on your PC but you choose not to. That's spiteful.

Originally Posted by iMoan

iPad! Bah! I just filed my taxes using Free File Fillable Forms. It's all Flash based. Try doing that with an iPad.

People waiting in lines to get one of these things. Unbelievable. Just get a real Mac and be done with it.

Originally Posted by drobforever

Scalpers exist because there's demand in China, period. There's a whole bunch of ultra-rich people in China that wants to play with the iPad2 right now, they don't want to wait, that's why they're willing to buy from the scalpers at inflated price. I don't see the point to complain about this huge demand of iPad2 from these Chinese people, they're also humans and they should also be allowed to buy iPad2, not to mention that it's actually Chinese workers who made most of them.

Originally Posted by Aeolian

I'm an American half Asian, half Mutt from what my father says.

I don't like this either. I regret that it seems to be Asians that are doing this, but it's still a problem. I don't think it would be any different if it were, pardon my speech, 'white American looking people', that were buying iPad 2's and selling them on E- bay.

I do agree it should be 1 per person for now. Until they get enough of them out there.

Originally Posted by tonton

The obvious way to avoid this is simultaneous international launch. There's no reason Apple shouldn't do it. A LOT of the scalped iPads are being sold in Hong Kong, for instance, and -- guess what -- Hong Kong isn't even on the list of countries for the first international launch! This is plain stupid, as I'm sure Hong Kong sells far more iPads than half the countries getting them earlier. You want to avoid scalpers, sell them here. That's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Ireland

"Spiteful" is a very strange choice of words. So tell me then, what does my Aunt do when she gets her iPad (if she bought one), given that there is no Apple Store in my country, she doesn't have a PC or a Mac, and she lives the other side of the country to me? True story.

Originally Posted by iMoan

iPad! Bah! I just filed my taxes using Free File Fillable Forms. It's all Flash based. Try doing that with an iPad.

People waiting in lines to get one of these things. Unbelievable. Just get a real Mac and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Neruda

I'm not saying Asians/Chinese are the only ones scalping, but see this video.

Perhaps Apple should limit 1 per customer and require in store activation or come up with better solutions to this if they can.

Originally Posted by Ireland

That's actually a very good point. Most Westerners have a sense of entitlement about everything.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Oh, yes. Launching the iPad in 100 countries at the same time is definitely going to provide better availability than launching in a few countries at a time. :roll eyes:

Originally Posted by DanaCameron

I think the term "Post-PC Device" is being interpreted differently here than how Steve Jobs defined it.

Jobs referenced the term at the D5 Conference (where he shared the stage with Bill Gates) by identifying what he called a "category of devices" distinct from "general purpose PCs" that are "more focused on specific functions" like iPods, phones, and cameras.

Walt Mossberg drew his attention to the notion that these "Post-PC Devices" are just computers in a different form factor and Jobs' response was:

"We're getting to the point where everything's a computer in a different form factor. So, so what? Right? So what if it's built with a computer inside it? It doesn't matter. It's, what is it? How do you use it? You know, how does the consumer approach it? And so, who cares what's inside it anymore?" Following his thinking about "Post-PC Devices", one could also make the argument that it doesn't matter what they connect or sync to, or how, or how often, or even why. It's how we use these things. As Jobs noted, the PC as a general purpose device will "continue to be with us and morph with us" as a digital hub of various sorts and in evolving form factors, but Post-PC Devices have tended to be more specialized, and what we could do with them, up to now, has been decidedly different.

Jobs and Gates at D5 went on to predict that these devices will become more and more powerful and capable, and this has certainly come to pass. Tasks that were once restricted to PCs is now possible on Post-PC Devices, but many of the legacy user functions and responsibilities are gone. Complicated input methods and file management are absent (or virtually so) on these devices.

Perhaps more importantly, the proliferation of multitouch is changing the way we interact with our data, allowing us to physically manipulate it with our fingers. Our usage of these devices is so intuitive and natural (and becoming increasingly more so) that we can use them almost without thinking about it. Long-standing traditional computer interaction is now, by contrast, revealed to be intrusive and even obstructive.

For Jobs, the term "Post-PC Device" is more about the "experience" of using these devices, rather than how technologically dependent they are on PCs.

Originally Posted by Ireland

Besides, I'm tech support for enough relations already. You just don't get it. You need a PC to set it up and that's a con.

Originally Posted by Ireland

How does grandma set it up without a PC?

Originally Posted by Mac-sochist

I suppose the trolls have a Faux Noise-type list of Talking Points™ to worm into the stinkbombs they explode on every Applecentric forum, but still, the double standard they expect us to use when evaluating Apple's performance and motivations is gob-smacking. (Not as gob-smacking as the number of people who eat their crap with a spoon, but nevertheless gob-smacking.)

Hard drive manufacturers start quoting their drive sizes in decimal. Apple calls the drives by their manufacturer's designations. Your 160 GB HD formats out at 149. Crime!! Conspiracy!!

Apple rewrites Snow Leopard to have a smaller footprint, and tells people to expect a little more drive space. Meanwhile they've been "fatigued into compliance" and start formatting in decimal. There's a huge jump when installing SL. "They started formatting your drives differently to decieve you!" Crime!! Conspiracy!!

Apple has a product that's so popular that their manufacturers and distribution channels can't meet the demand. Crime!! Conspiracy!!

Last time (on the iPad 1) Apple wouldn't accept cash to prevent scalping. "What about people who don't have credit cards?" Crime!! Conspiracy!!

This time they accept cash and scalping is rampant. Crime!! Conspiracy!!

They allowed online preorders of the Verizon iPhone, and there were no lines worth mentioning. "Lol! The launch was a failure! Apple is Doooomed!!!!"

They don't allow online preorders of the iPad 2. "It's just a plot to make the lines longer and get news coverage!" Crime!! Conspiracy!!

Meanwhile, Microsoft always, always, quotes "units shipped" as if they were actually sold, not sitting in warehouses all over the world, and the tech press breathlessly reports their wild success! Silence!

Samsung does the same thing and even uses that number to divide into the number of returns to get a seemingly low rate. Silence!

Samsung tries to spin a statement by one of their executives that "Sales were quite small" by replacing the word "small" with "smooth", a word which makes absolutely no sense in context, "Oh well then, that's different!" Can you even imagine if Steve Jobs tried such a lame-ass "correction"? They'd laugh their spleens out!

Now it's hard to get an iPad 2. Suppose Apple did what they want, manufactured and distributed tens of millions of units before even announcing them, thus avoiding all "hype", somehow stored them in space-warps in each store (same technology as the Reality Distortion Field™ I guess) and had them all ready to hand out on launch day. Can you imagine the outcry if this became known beforehand? Apple "Keeping iPads from customers who want one"? It would be the crime of the century!

What I really want is for one, just one, of these people to actually suggest something (and not insane crap like Pseudonym did earlier) that would make them happy, that would mean—to them—that Apple was doing something right. They can't. because in their universe, Apple can do no right!

Originally Posted by Ireland

What the hell are you talking about? She lives on the other side of the country. Besides, I'm tech support for enough relations already. You just don't get it. You need a PC to set it up and that's a con.

Originally Posted by ghostface147

So is anyone having a hard time buying a xoom or tab?

Originally Posted by solipsism

The posting style tells me its a guy. The name Sue obviously comes from the pronunciation of pseudonym. I think its likely it one of the previous trolls under an alias they made last year. It does sound a lot like iGenius, though not as braindead as Teckstud and less rancorous than DaHarder. Regardless, Id bet money its a guy. ...

Originally Posted by sennen

If I recall correctly, there was another SueDenim/Sue Denim/Sue_Denim that trolled several months ago, very pro-Flash/Adobe.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Yes, exactly, "Sue" is an Adobe shill who was previously banned.

I particularly found the comment about how you should always have the same number of pros and cons for the purpose of "objectivity" ridiculously amusing. Under this theory of reviewing a product, not only should a great product have the same number of cons pointed out as a crappy product, but a crappy product should have the same number of pros pointed out as a great product. According to this logic, you either have to ignore some of the pros of great products, or the cons of crappy products, or your review isn't "objective". This is the sort of total inversion of logic that dishonest shilling leads to, especially when you work for a company like Adobe and are trying to promote Flash.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Yes, exactly, "Sue" is an Adobe shill who was previously banned.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Oh, yes. Launching the iPad in 100 countries at the same time is definitely going to provide better availability than launching in a few countries at a time.

Originally Posted by RolandG

My thoughts exactly. I think there should be three options:

1. Management components (for activation, sync and backup) and storage could reside on a local computer. Basically the current solution.
2. Management components and storage could be provided by the TimeCapsule-like device you suggested.
3. Management and storage could be provided as a cloud service. Additionally, the cloud data could be synched with local storage (solutions 1 and 2) automatically and transparently.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

You'd have to want one to know I guess hence the sparsity of info on that!

http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/03/11...lling-so-well/

Originally Posted by Apple ][

They can't even launch in 1 country properly right now, I'd hate to see what would happen if it were 100.

One other reason that some countries get theirs later is because I think that carrier agreements are not always in place in every country at the same time, and those countries will get theirs later.

Originally Posted by iMoan

iPad! Bah! I just filed my taxes using Free File Fillable Forms. It's all Flash based. Try doing that with an iPad.

Originally Posted by JeffDM

Exactly, "Sue" has made some posts from Adobe IPs.

Originally Posted by Gustav

Who cares? You found some specific Flash based tax forms. Are you claiming you need flash to make them? You don't. You could use one of the many online services or download tax software for their iPad. Don't know about the US, but in Canada, TaxFreeway is available as a native iPad app.

"I could do task x because this particular implementation is flash. Try doing that on an iPad." Not really an argument unless there's no alternative and we really really want to do task x.