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post #201 of 222
7/17/11 at 5:34am
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I'm saying Bush violated the Constitution, too.

Does that still make me racist?

Bush is an idiot who should be impeached what he pulled with Cheney with this Iraqi war.
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post #202 of 222
7/17/11 at 7:12am
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Like this?

You're kidding me, right? Infowars...you mean the site that I see cardboard and spray paint sings for as I go to work in the suburbs? The ones right above the Ron Paul signs crafted in the same fashion?
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post #203 of 222
7/17/11 at 4:11pm
All of the information on that page is well documented and includes links to references.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #204 of 222
7/17/11 at 4:26pm
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All of the information on that page is well documented and includes links to references.

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post #205 of 222
7/17/11 at 7:52pm
It's easier to laugh it off than actually read it and connect the dots, isn't it?

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post #206 of 222
7/18/11 at 9:42am
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You're kidding me, right? Infowars...you mean the site that I see cardboard and spray paint sings for as I go to work in the suburbs? The ones right above the Ron Paul signs crafted in the same fashion?

Wait, that has to be asked. Is there a problem with Ron Paul that causes him to be brought into this argument? Are the people that support him idiots in some way and because of that the linking of the signs somehow strengthens your argument?
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post #207 of 222
7/18/11 at 11:19am
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Wait, that has to be asked. Is there a problem with Ron Paul that causes him to be brought into this argument? Are the people that support him idiots in some way and because of that the linking of the signs somehow strengthens your argument?

Infowars is not credible, nor balanced. That's all I'm saying.
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post #208 of 222
7/18/11 at 11:21am
What about the sources cited in Infowars' articles? Are none of them credible, either?

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post #209 of 222
7/18/11 at 11:32am
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What about the sources cited in Infowars' articles? Are none of them credible, either?

Why does that matter? Is HuffPo balanced and credible if it uses a Gallup poll? Is Rush Limbaugh balanced because he uses BLS data? Is Press Sec Carney balanced because he has CBO and White House budget data? Of course not. Infowars is an anti-establishment, ultra-libertarian site. It's one step away from www.abovetopsecret.com.

RON PAUL!!!!!
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post #210 of 222
7/18/11 at 11:40am
You judge the veracity of information solely on who is presenting it?

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post #211 of 222
7/19/11 at 5:06pm
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You judge the veracity of information solely on who is presenting it?

No, I judge the veracity of the argument based on who is making it.
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post #212 of 222
8/29/11 at 12:54pm
War for Africa: 'Libya key to new US bases, cheap labor & resources'

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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post #213 of 222
8/29/11 at 8:12pm
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No, I judge the veracity of the argument based on who is making it.

How did I miss this one? I surely hope you're being sarcastic.
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post #214 of 222
8/30/11 at 6:38am
France, China and South Africa aided Gadhafi

Firms Aided Libyan Spies
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post #215 of 222
8/30/11 at 10:26am
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France, China and South Africa aided Gadhafi

Firms Aided Libyan Spies

Very interesting.
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Libya is one of several Middle Eastern and North African states to use sophisticated technologies acquired abroad to crack down on dissidents. Tech firms from the U.S., Canada, Europe, China and elsewhere have, in the pursuit of profits, helped regimes block websites, intercept emails and eavesdrop on conversations.

And I wont be surprised if Tripolis next government also employs said firms for similar services, in exchange for the profits they are reportedly in pursuit of.

It is my opinion that these companies and similar entities dont care about actual politics, although they do tend to favour dictatorships (even regimes not quite open to the idea of property as Henry Fords dealings with Stalin showed) as those are quite conductive to bigger and easier profit.
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post #216 of 222
9/5/11 at 8:20am
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How did I miss this one? I surely hope you're being sarcastic.

Yeah, hilarious. You mean to tell me you don't consider the source?
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post #217 of 222
9/6/11 at 5:21am
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Yeah, hilarious. You mean to tell me you don't consider the source?

Not when considering an argument on its merits. I don't. If Fox News uses polling data that says Obama's approval rating is 25%, I won't suddenly attack the source, and say that 25% number is bullshit and cannot be trusted.
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post #218 of 222
9/6/11 at 4:18pm
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Not when considering an argument on its merits. I don't. If Fox News uses polling data that says Obama's approval rating is 25%, I won't suddenly attack the source, and say that 25% number is bullshit and cannot be trusted.

The source matters, especially when we're talking about people with known viewpoints and even agendas.
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post #219 of 222
9/6/11 at 6:55pm
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The source matters, especially when we're talking about people with known viewpoints and even agendas.

The source has no impact on the merits of an argument. It can show motivation for an argument, but if you're intelligent enough to see an argument for its merits, you don't need to care about the motivation.

I guess for people who don't really have the acuity to parse the merits of an argument using their own intellect, I can see how the source can influence what they choose to believe.

It's like religion and morality.
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post #220 of 222
9/7/11 at 8:01am
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The source has no impact on the merits of an argument. It can show motivation for an argument, but if you're intelligent enough to see an argument for its merits, you don't need to care about the motivation.

I guess for people who don't really have the acuity to parse the merits of an argument using their own intellect, I can see how the source can influence what they choose to believe.

It's like religion and morality.

I disagree. One has to consider the source, because motivation and bias affects the argument itself. You can't possibly be telling me that you don't view arguments differently based on who is making them. Consider this statement:

"The free market system must be unshackled for the economy to grow. Tax cuts are one way to help accomplish this."

So, let's suppose BR makes this statement. You wouldn't treat it differently than if I had made it? Of course you would. You know I'm a fiscal conservative and he's...well, not. One person is making an argument, and to you the other person is just preaching his beliefs.
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post #221 of 222
9/7/11 at 9:57am
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You wouldn't treat it differently than if I had made it?

Nope. I wouldn't. Just because you're partisan doesn't mean I am.

Anyway, what you posted above isn't an argument. It's a statement. For it to be an argument, I'd love to see why "the free market system must be unshackled for the economy to grow". I think it's a fallacious statement. If BR made the statement I would still think it's a fallacious statement, no less than if you made the statement.
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post #222 of 222
9/7/11 at 11:23am
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Nope. I wouldn't. Just because you're partisan doesn't mean I am.

Anyway, what you posted above isn't an argument. It's a statement. For it to be an argument, I'd love to see why "the free market system must be unshackled for the economy to grow". I think it's a fallacious statement. If BR made the statement I would still think it's a fallacious statement, no less than if you made the statement.

Yeah, I just don't buy that. There is no way you are 100% non-partisan when evaluating arguments. No one is.
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