Originally Posted by NoahJ
that is exactly the game I am speaking of. Every time you complain the same thing and you do nothing to change it. You play the same arguments over, talk about how everyone left, reflect everyone's statements back at them, use a few smileys, get mad and leave. I can just go back and read your previous posts if I wanted to live back in that era. Move on to a new thread. I have been trying to and others have as well. At least argue about something new.
Yes by that if you mean just 3 years ago ( in that era
) I remember when this used to be a more fun place to come where people could talk about real
issues. That's talk not snark, spam, say outragous things to get many resposnses, and then ask why every thread is about themselves ( I have a feeling you all know who I mean ).
This used to be a funny, creative, and special place. Yes you can go back and read my previous posts. Is anything in them untrue? The reason I go over the same points is because these same individuals act like their ideas haven't been disproven many times by many people. They just won't accept it and actually deny they said certain things until someone has to look it up for them. Then they disappear for awhile and then come back saying the exact same things and the cycle repeats endlessly. So where's the real debate? That's why many of them went over to Applenova. Also that same person went over there to try to do the same thing. Only there that person wasn't tolerated. However I liked this place better and thought it could be saved. I was wrong.
This is why I'm leaving. It's like watching repeats of a tv show over and over again. In other words a waste of time. I'm pretty sure that's why those others left. They have better things to do. You can only watch an episode of a sitcom so many times.
About Libya I confess it's difficult to know what to do. On the one hand I think we are already terribly over extended because of Iraq etc. I'm not a fan of yet another conflict. However if it's like Jimmy Carter says that this is the end of the era of kings and dictators for the middle east ( and I think it is ) and maybe their people will have a say in things isn't that a good thing? And if we turn a blind eye to their plight and some others help will they look on us with a kind eye in the future when we want to do business with them?
Also this might be an opportunity to help change the statis quo in the ME that's been a pain in our backside since WWII and an endless source conflict. Still in the end we really need to get off of the oil teat so this will never be an issue again.
There's still no telling what kind of government they'll end up with. They're mostly countries with oil to sell the world and every one of their citizens should have at least as good a life as any american. Instead they live in poverty while a few live in luxury at the top ( come to think of it you could draw a parallel to here it's just not even close to as extreme. So much for the rich ). So it's difficult to know what to do. I think if Obama can keep this to a limited engagement that would be a good thing. However the best thing we can do now is get out of all of those outside conflicts that don't have anything to do with really defending the U.S. and concentrate on healing our country. Before it goes broke like the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan. History is something you should learn from not repeat. Humans really don't seem to have that one down yet.