Originally Posted by Asherian
As for your swipes about me not knowing what the average user likes or wants -- that's precisely what I do know. That's why I get paid to do what I do. I've read countless market reports on it from analysts (most of which are bunk), I've attended countless conferences on mobile technology, and I'm extremely informed on every OS out there and every facet of each one, because it's my job to. The fact that you disagree doesn't mean you agree with the market as a whole. And the fact that you (and frankly, most people here) seem flabberghasted by the growth of Android (if you'll check my posts, I said this would happen years ago) it's because you don't understand the market as a whole. The people who line up at Apple stores to buy iOS devices are not your typical user. People mention how important apps are, but they're only very important to a relatively small portion of the demographic. But because that's who you guys are always surrounded by, that's what you see. Android is soaring and people simply don't care as much about apps on them. It's a different kind of user. As smartphones and tablets become more ubiquitous, you're going to see less "hardcores" who download lots of apps and more ma-and-pas who don't. )
I'd suggest that the people buying iphones and iPads are far more representative of the "average user" than the geeks who attend those conferences you're talking about or the analysts that you're citing.
In fact, it's likely that your attendance at endless conferences mostly disproves your point. Average users do not attend programming conferences.
Originally Posted by DaHarder
You do realize that all you did was substantiate my argument that the iPhoneOS begat the version of iOS that currently runs on the iPad (and not the reverse) for the simple fact that the original name of the platform was iPhoneOS not iOS or (while in development) OSX iPhone?
Your little tirade regarding Android 3.x being merely Android 2.x, "lightly modified for tablets" only shows your complete inexperience/ignorance with the platforms themselves. Nothing More.
First, you seem to be confused by the fact that while iPhone as the first commercial product using what later became iOS and the fact that they actually started working on it with a tablet.
You see, Apple has a truly scalable OS. It works on products from cell phones to servers and workstations. Google is complaining that they can't get the same product to work on cell phones and tablets, so they can't allow people to use it on cell phones.
See the difference?
Originally Posted by drobforever
Google is trying to "close" Honeycomb because they want to slow down their competitors, period. All the talk by these executives is just excuses. If they delay release of the source code, it's much harder for e.g. Amazon to use Honeycomb for it's next tablet. Other companies also can't quickly duplicate Honeycomb's functionality into their mobile OS without seeing the source code.
Funny. Who in their right mind would be looking to Google for new ideas? And since when do you need source code to copy an implementation?
Google, like everyone else in the industry, knows that Apple is the one to beat. Sure, there are more Android units out there, helped by the Buy One, Get FIVE Free deals out there, but no money is being made there and it's obvious that the market is chasing Apple.
Originally Posted by hill60
Apple doesn't market themselves as "open" or attempt to polarise opinion like Google (and the people who jump on their bandwagon) do.
Locking down Honeycomb proves Google aren't as "open" as they tout themselves to be, Apple's contributions to open source prove that they aren't as "closed" as Google (their partners and others) want people to believe.
Google reeks of hypocrisy.
Exactly. "Do No Evil" has always been a blatant lie. OK, maybe not always. They might have actually meant it for the first few weeks.
Originally Posted by autism109201
It's hypocritical of them. But it makes some kind of sense.
If manufacturers made crap phones with Honeycomb, which Google is saying is not optimized for phones, it's going to mar Android's image, isn't it? That's the last thing Google (or any company) wants. The flipside is that the open source people are bothered. So Android's image will be tainted either way. So Google has the choice whether to disappoint the hardcore open source people or disappoint the average non-techie consumer who will probably only see their phone being awkward to use.
It's their choice. Whichever choice they make, they'll be living the consequences, whatever they may be.
They have a third choice - learn to write decent software. Apple has no problem making an OS that scales from cell phones to workstations. Why can't Google even scale from phones to tablets?