And there it is in all it's woefully pathetic unoriginality - the Hoy Writ. The atheist's John 3:16.
The mantra: just check out our materials
and if you are not stupid or a sinner then you'll be SAVED.
Saved from hell, saved from ignorance, saved from religion, saved from sin....
Saved from the thing I DECIDE you need saving from. Saved from the thing I DEFINE. Saved from the thing I in my own pathetic little myopic limited understanding DECIDE applies to you too.
It's like the class dunce telling Einstein he doesn't understand why storks bring babies or the moon is made of cheese.
And then he goes off and laughs about how some people 'just can't see the facts'.
If atheists could bring anything to the table then they would actually do so - unfortunately though all they can do is DENY what others bring - and then they call this 'thought' - they're actually proud of it.
Which in a way is the whole essence of their movement - they are the 'anti-religion' in the sense they are the yang to the ying. They could not exist without religion - it's symbiotic. Tellingly though, religions can and does stand alone from atheism.
Br's argument is really the last stamp of the foot of the frustrated school boy who oh so badly wants to understand but somehow can't actually listen to the teacher or do his homework. He would rather be watching TV. But if you don't put in the time you don't get the pass.
Atheism is in many ways the equivalent of the old excuse: "where's your homework?" - "the dog eat it...."
Some people even buy that shit but with atheism 'the dog always eat it".
You will never ever find any original thought or radical ideas in atheism (except if you count Sam Harris calling for war and murder and arguing torture is ethically necessary but even this is not original - it's just that he's an extreme-right quasi-racist Neocon and hasn't realize it's passé
yet) all you get is a denial of other people's ideas and a constant reference to "we don't have to prove it....."
You can almost hear the "nuh nuh ne-nuh nuh" of the Old School Yard. The analogy would almost be exact except for the fact that even in these dumbed-down days of moronic introspection the School-yard is somehow more incisive.
Look at it like this...at the dawn of man when people were in their caves and there was no religion or science then they would go out and look at the natural world and the observe the sky and two things were possible:
With no theories, cultural traditions, history or libraries - two things only: either all this was created and designed or it occurred by accident or was 'just there'.
Two things only.
No 'Holy Writ'. No superior, sneering and mocking New-Inquisitors or legion of Torquemadas ready to bash you over the head with the "Blind Watchmaker" or the King James Version. None of that....
Just the wonder and the possibilities....and either could be right. Thank God it's difficult to imagine this interchange ricocheting through the stillness and unsullied beauty of the primeval dawn :Caveman 1
: I think a being must have made all this......it's so beautiful......Caveman 2:
where's your evidence???? Where's your evidence??? WHERE'S YOUR FUCKING EVIDENCE FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK...............
Unfortunately Caveman 2 is alive and well and dragging his club as well as his knuckles. And he ain't hunting mammoth no more.
Nietzsche famously said "Plato is a bore" - God knows what he'd think of neo-atheists...it's one of the tragedies of life that he isn't around to pin them down. Oh well....I'll just have to do it...oh and look....I can do it without fucking resorting to bloody fucking swearing for fucks sake just so as I look cool.
It's kind of like "ooh ooh I know...we're atheists so let's swear - God won't like it..... hehhehehh"
It's pure fucking Beavis and Butthead.
See what I did there? I believe in God BUT I CAN STILL FUCKING USE AN OBSCENITY BETTER
The sad fact, for atheists, is - that although they, like their mirror-image irrationalists on the religious side is that they fail massively in all their goals.
In fact, if you weight it up it's embarrassing and pathetic - which is why they NEVER weigh it up. Let's take a look:
1) The fight of materialistic 'rational scientists' versus Xian fundie 'thinkers' is essentially Mike Tyson versus Pee Wee Herman.
They should be embarrassed to get in the ring - but no....they clamber in all puffed up like it's the Thriller in Manilla and guess what? Herman goes 15 fucking rounds.....
And THEN when they fail to land a killer punch and win on points because Herman gets disqualified for being a pervert or something we have the endless crowing of "it was up to him to land the punch and he didn't.....it's not up to us......" (cue Queen "We are the Champions" on endless loop ad nauseum
2) Not one single scintilla of the smallest iota of original thought. Not one scrap. And yet....and yet.... the peacock struts unashamed....or perhaps unaware and unseeing.
Imagine if a scientist wanted to disprove a theory but refused to actually ever address it attempt to do so but instead every time it gets mentioned throws themselves on the floor smashing their fists and bawling "it's not up to me to disprove it.....it's up to them to prove it...it's not fair" scream, bawl, tantrum...
Oh...wait...that's ACTUALLY WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS!
We just don't get to see the foaming and foot-stamping as this is just an internet message board.
3) oh...there is no 3...sorry...that's all they got. We expected so much more from these giants walking amongst us...... oh well.
And another thing - why in the name of all that is Holy do we have to have this pseudo-religious bullshit???? If I want religious fanaticism I'll take my own flavour thanks......
No...I don't want 'chapter and verse' of YOUR OPINION just because to you it is the height of human achievement...to me it's now worth wiping my ass with after a Vindaloo at "Ganges Revenge".
And no - there's no trouble with the concept: I don't need to read the Bible or watch your vid.
I have a song going round my head every time an atheist cranks up into 'preach mode'
Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you
It make me think of Reservoir Dogs too - stuck in a chair going out of your mind with religious fundies to the left and neo-atheist fundies to the right.....and YES you should be fucking worried......
In fact that's the whole problem really: neither of the two protagonists under discussion either wants (is capable of?) to engage in debate. I don't mean here - that's a given ffs - I mean in the wider context.
They both have a vested interest in NOT debating in fact. For the same reason.
It's essentially a turf-war. It's Shi'is and Sunnis. Protestants and Catholics. I could use secular examples but they would be inappropriate - neo-athesim is not only a religion it is a FUNDIE religion. It uses all the same tactics and has exact same methodology.
It even - so I hear - imbues people's lives with meaning and gives them validation in exactly the same way.
All fair enough.....just get your fucking foot out of my door and stop telling me you have the 'truth' - it makes no difference whether you want to convert me to atheism, Xianity or Uncle Tom Cobley......the problem is that you have not earned the right to try it
..... none of you......