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ITC rules Apple did not infringe five Nokia patents

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In the latest round of patent battles in the smartphone arena, an International Trade Commission judge has ruled that Apple did not infringe five patents belonging to Nokia.

A report by Reuters noted that ITC Judge James Gildea has ruled "in his initial determination that Apple did not violate the Nokia patents."

Nokia's charges were filed in December of 2009, and broadly applied to iPhones, iPods and Macs, including user interface, camera, antenna and power management technologies.

Last winter, the ITC began formally investigating the charges, which Nokia sought a billion euros ($1.415 billion) in damages and could have resulted in an import ban of Apple products into the US.

Apple brought its own counterclaims against Nokia based on 13 patents of its own. In November, the ITC staff sided with Nokia in determining that Apple had not provided enough evidence to establish a patent violation.

While both companies have ongoing disputes with the ITC (due to its power to block imports into the US, offering heavy-handed bargaining leverage), there are often parallel cases filed in US district court aimed at winning financial damages as well as additional cases filed in Europe, the Reuters report stated.

Nokia has dramatically lost market share, giving up large portions of its once dominant Symbian platform installed base to Apple's iPhone and devices running Google's Android platform. The company has recently partnered with Microsoft to begin efforts to release new smartphones using Windows Phone 7 software.
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WOW, maybe RIM is take over bait but for what......MS can use rim since rim has no room to grow, and not pay big $$$. MS 07 can get out to more people at low cost, and not require a buy out
Hmmmmmm RIM moves to the middle and low tier phones
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Ok, now that that's over with, we can continue to watch Nokia's downward spiral.
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Ok, now that that's over with, we can continue to watch Nokia's downward spiral.

And continue to short it
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WOW, maybe RIM is take over bait but for what......MS can use rim since rim has no room to grow, and not pay big $$$. MS 07 can get out to more people at low cost, and not require a buy out
Hmmmmmm RIM moves to the middle and low tier phones

Wait, what?
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Wait, what?

In an alternate universe RIM is actually Nokia... and vice versa... his transporter is on the blink and it was hard to tell which dimension he had entered...
Hmmmmmm...
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Ouch.

Another step in the steady descent into obscurity of a once-great company.....
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Remember the posters that said that Nokia wouldn't sue unless they were sure? I do.

Anyway, while RiM and Nokia are circling the drain RiM is much closer to going under than Nokia, even if RiM is making more money per quarter for awhile. My reasoning is that RiM is more like Neanderthal. They were once the dominate hunters but became too specialized and didn't evolve fast enough to deal with the rapid changes to their environment. An evolutionary dead end.

Nokia, on the other hand, sells mostly simple, cheap phones. These are the bottom feeders of the handset kingdom. The scavengers. They may not be powerful or desirable in a one-on-one comparison to Blackberrius Neandercallus or Homo iPhoneus, but they survive in vast numbers in habitats that most of us dare not tread.
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But.. but.. but I though Nokia is the mother of all cell phones and you can't build a phone without using their tech and patents!
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Ok, now that that's over with, we can continue to watch Nokia's downward spiral.

Exactly.

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In an alternate universe RIM is actually Nokia... and vice versa... his transporter is on the blink and it was hard to tell which dimension he had entered...

Ah, I see. Thanks a lot.
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In an alternate universe RIM is actually Nokia... and vice versa... his transporter is on the blink and it was hard to tell which dimension he had entered...

Thanks for explaining that. I didn't understand his comment either.
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Ok, now that that's over with, we can continue to watch Nokia's downward spiral.

I still hope they continue to produce sturdy rubber boots. Thats were they used to be really good at.
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I still hope they continue to produce sturdy rubber boots. Thats were they used to be really good at.

Awe, let's give Nokia a little credit. They still sell more phones than anyone in the world. By itself that wouldn't mean much, but they are still generating a strong profits from it (even if it's less than before) and their cheap commodity phones are good as basic cellphones. Dell would be the opposite of that as they lost about as much as much in profits as Nokia made in 2010* and their cheap PCs don't work as well (or better) than expensive PCs for doing basic PC-stuff.


* According to Wikipedia, Dell lost $1.4 Billion in net income whilst Nokia made $2.6 Billion.
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Remember the posters that said that Nokia wouldn't sue unless they were sure? I do.

Now, Mister Solipsism, you are allowed to despise other posters, but it is considered good manners to talk about posters as if they were HUMANS. "Posters WHO said". Not robots THAT say stuff.

And, yes, I'm annoying, it's my mission in life

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Now, Mister Solipsism, you are allowed to despise other posters, but it is considered good manners to talk about posters as if they were HUMANS. "Posters WHO said". Not robots THAT say stuff.

And, yes, I'm annoying, it's my mission in life

You'd have a point if my username wasn't solipsism. How do I know there are other people, not savvy programs, responding on these forums? I can't even know for sure if you exist. If you give me your SSN, CC number, mother's maiden I'll consider that proof of life.
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Remember the posters that said that Nokia wouldn't sue unless they were sure? I do.

Anyway, while RiM and Nokia are circling the drain RiM is much closer to going under than Nokia, even if RiM is making more money per quarter for awhile. My reasoning is that RiM is more like Neanderthal. They were once the dominate hunters but became too specialized and didn't evolve fast enough for the rapid changes that came. An evolutionary dead end.

Nokia, on the other hand, sells mostly simple, cheap phones. These are the bottom feeders of the handset kingdom. The scavengers. They may not be powerful or desirable in a one-on-one comparison Blackberrius Neandercallus or Homo iPhoneus, but they survive in numbers in habits that most of us dare tread.

Brilliant as always...
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In an alternate universe RIM is actually Nokia... and vice versa... his transporter is on the blink and it was hard to tell which dimension he had entered...

effing hilarious...
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Nokia will continue to dwindle and eventually be bought-up by Dell.
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: Ah, Ah!
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Nokia will continue to dwindle and eventually be bought-up by Dell.

No, Microsoft.
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No, Microsoft.

They don't have to. MS got Nokia by you know what. Why buy them and take financial risk while they have complete control. This way if Nokia goes under MS is safe.
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Wait, what?


oops, too deep, rim and nokia same sandbox, same lack of a future both reaching out to nowhere should have been more specific rim/nokia, no real differentiation both are grasping at air
does rim think access to android apps helps
playbook, doa, nokia+ms doa thousand cuts
rim, nokia =same mess

thanks for your patience

NasserAE spot on,
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Is laurels-resting patentable?
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But.. but.. but I though Nokia is the mother of all cell phones and you can't build a phone without using their tech and patents!

"Apple can't make a phone without stealing from Nokia, it's unpossible", is how I think it went.
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You'd have a point if my username wasn't solipsism. How do I know there are other people, not savvy programs, responding on these forums? I can't even know for sure if you exist. If you give me your SSN, CC number, mother's maiden I'll consider that proof of life.

Don't be deceived. You are just a brain in a jar being injected with bursts of energy (thoughts about external beings) by a supernatural entity. All you can be sure of is that you think, therefore you are.
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Are you inferring soli's pickled?
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"Apple can't make a phone without stealing from Nokia, it's unpossible", is how I think it went.

No, like usual you are ignoring the facts and sprouting bollocks again.

Apple cannot make a phone with using technologies developed by several companies, one of which is Nokia.
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No, like usual you are ignoring the facts and sprouting bollocks again.

Apple cannot make a phone with using technologies developed by several companies, one of which is Nokia.

Although apparently they can deploy that technology without violating any patents.
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Although apparently they can deploy that technology without violating any patents.

Can they?
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AFAIR, Nokia claimed 10 patent infringements at ITC. Anyone knows what happened with the other five?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...e-its-patents/
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How could Nokia claim that Apple had taken patens from them for their latest devices? Nokia has yet to match the original iPhone almost four years after the fact, and I'm not just saying that. It even made it to the 6o'clock news.

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How could Nokia claim that Apple had taken patens from them for their latest devices? Nokia has yet to match the original iPhone almost four years after the fact, and I'm not just saying that. It even made it to the 6o'clock news.

While true, success in building and selling a complete product has no bearing on the potential IP theft.
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While true, success in building and selling a complete product has no bearing on the potential IP theft.

It was actually meant as a jab at how Nokia couldn't possibly have IP over technology they have no idea about, since its way past what they have. But I forgot to add "lol" to the end to emphasise sarcasm.

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It was actually meant as a jab at how Nokia couldn't possibly have IP over technology they have no idea about, since its way past what they have. But I forgot to add "lol" to the end to emphasise sarcasm.

Except they have been building phones for how long now? Or are you making a comment over something you have no idea about?
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Except they have been building phones for how long now? Or are you making a comment over something you have no idea about?

There is this new invention called a joke. I was making a joke. Nokia has crappy tech, Apple has good tech. Apple couldn't possibly have any of Nokia's crappy tech in their phones wouldn't be so good. Do you get the "jab at Nokia" bit now?

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There is this new invention called a joke. I was making a joke. Nokia has crappy tech, Apple has good tech. Apple couldn't possibly have any of Nokia's crappy tech in their phones wouldn't be so good. Do you get the "jab at Nokia" bit now?

Not really, can you please explain what you are trying to say?
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Regardless of the fact, that Nokia was wrong from the beginning.

US judges, even more so than those of other countries, tend to rule in favor of US companies.
It's time for a new global (yeah, that's impossible) patent system, else this won't stop at all.
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Not really, can you please explain what you are trying to say?

I'm doubtful you'll understand it as you haven't so far.
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Brilliant as always...

Your head a mile up your own hole as always....
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