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Rather than mimic the iPad's 9.7-inch screen, tablet makers have apparently found more success with the smaller 7-inch screen size -- a form factor where Apple has indicated it has no plans to compete.

Touch panel makers are apparently most optimistic about sales of 7-inch tablets, according to DigiTimes. Despite this, most vendors are planning devices with 10.1-inch displays in an effort to more directly compete with the iPad.

"The sources pointed out that Korea-based Samsung Electronics' 7-inch Galaxy Tab and ViewSonic's 7-inch ViewPad are both generating stronger sales than their 10.1-inch models," the report said. "The 7-inch models are lower priced and avoid direct competition against Apple iPad.

"Although 10.1-inch tablet PCs will allow vendors to add keyboard support to their machines, their sales are still not as stable as the 7-inch models."

The report said that the 7-inch tablet market is set to experience "fierce competition," as none of the current players have been able to establish a dominant presence in the market. The first major product to market was Samsung's Galaxy Tab, which debuted to lukewarm reviews late last year. Another major player has been the Barnes and Noble Nook Color, another Android-powered device with a 7-inch screen that has reportedly estimated to sell 3 million units by the end of March.

Last year, Apple was rumored to be exploring an entrance into the 7-inch size range with a new, smaller iPad. But Chief Executive Steve Jobs quashed those rumors last October when he slammed 7-inch tablets as too small to be usable.

Still, as recently as February, rumors of a new device sized between the 9.7-inch iPad and 3.5-inch iPod touch. The product, speculated to be either a "Super iPhone or "iPad Mini," was said by one analyst to launch in the second half of 2011.
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1st woot. Three words: D.O.A. Pity the people that buy them and then realise that. How's Flash doing on it? More importantly, how's those Honeycomb updates coming along... Oh, wait, it's no longer open source ("at this stage")... Ah, the unmistakable smell of fail.
post #3 of 87
Small tablets are great for people who want something bigger than a smartphone, that they use infrequently. RIM's PlayBook is a good example -- the battery is truly pathetic (5.3 Wh versus the iPad's 25 Wh), but the smaller and lighter device is much better than an iPad for shoving in your pocket. I'd say this is a moderately-sized market of people with desktop computers (i.e. enterprise business people) who need something for meetings that they don't have to use all day. No doubt you can make a small-screen tablet with a big battery, but then it would lose the pocket advantage (at least for people who don't wear heavy canvas clothing).

For people who want a primary device, the iPad 2's battery life should be the defining difference when comparing to smaller tablets. That and the fact that iOS is still far superior to the alternatives. To most human beings the iPad 2 is also far superior as a device, but that's more subjective, I suppose.
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"The 7-inch models are lower priced and avoid direct competition against Apple iPad.

BULLSHIT. Samsung Tab is more expensive than the iPad.
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Don't forget how *CONFIDENT* Google is with Honeycomb:

From Business Week: “To make our schedule to ship the tablet, we made some design tradeoffs,” says Andy Rubin, vice-president for engineering at Google and head of its Android group. “We didn’t want to think about what it would take for the same software to run on phones. It would have required a lot of additional resources and extended our schedule beyond what we thought was reasonable. So we took a shortcut.”

Mmm... Them honeycombs shure taste nice with shortcuts in them.
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Don't get me wrong, the 7" form factor will have a role to play in the future. But with Honeycomb closed off, Android developers and manufacturers falling over each other to come out with anything credible within lower price points, I don't see anything worthwhile coming out in the next six months.
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Don't forget how *CONFIDENT* Google is with Honeycomb:

From Business Week: To make our schedule to ship the tablet, we made some design tradeoffs, says Andy Rubin, vice-president for engineering at Google and head of its Android group. We didnt want to think about what it would take for the same software to run on phones. It would have required a lot of additional resources and extended our schedule beyond what we thought was reasonable. So we took a shortcut.

Mmm... Them honeycombs shure taste nice with shortcuts in them.

This is also RIM's strategy: don't bother developing your own ecosystem. Don't worry about actually making an effort to offer a unique experience. Just use someone else's ish, namely Google's.

All this shortcutting and corner-cutting sacrifices User Experience. We keep coming back to that. Because that's what the competition doesn't get: it's all about User Experience in this New Age of computing. Not raw specs. Not Frankenstein hardware.

Apple keeps focusing on the basics and refining them. No shortcuts. Hence, long lines, etc.
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BULLSHIT. Samsung Tab is more expensive than the iPad.

Right ... Isn't the Samsung Tab a 10.1"?
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Isn't the Samsung Tab a 10.1"? Or is that your point ...

There are three Tabs - 7", 8.9" and 10.1"
the 7" is old - the 8.9 is about $30 cheaper than the iPad 2, but with lower specs, and the 10.1 is the same price as the iPad two, with arguably better or equal specs. Both the 8.9 and the 10.1 run Honeycomb (I believe). The 7" is 2.2
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This is also RIM's strategy: don't bother developing your own ecosystem. Don't worry about actually making an effort to offer a unique experience. Just use someone else's ish, namely Google's.

All this shortcutting and corner-cutting sacrifices User Experience. We keep coming back to that. Because that's what the competition doesn't get: it's all about User Experience in this New Age of computing. Not raw specs. Not Frankenstein hardware.

Apple keeps focusing on the basics and refining them. No shortcuts. Hence, long lines, etc.

The best part now is how much access would RIM get to Google's "free and open and wonderful Android ecosystem"? Who gets priority? Moto? HTC? RIM? To what parts, what code?

I know RIM is using QNX but it's trying to incorporate Android or something, as well as Adobe AIR, right? Man, the more one even *thinks* about the PlayBook you can't NOT think about it just failing miserably. To me they are the real underdog in this whole thing. I'd like to see them succeed, just to have some legit competition but boy, this is one little train that is huffing and puffing up Mount Everest.
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Apple should release iPod Touch with 6-7" screen, then people will perceive 7" tablet as a... non-tablet.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone IMO.
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If all other things were equal, I'd probably prefer a smaller form factor. But things aren't equal because iOS isn't available on a smaller tablet size. The OS and overall features and function would override the size preference.
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Until these companie come out and talk about some actual sales numbers -- one can understand if it's in the ballpark or somewhat vaguely articulated, for competitive reasons -- I think it's FUD.

I'll just find it easier to believe if they can past mumbles such as "not small, but smooth...." or some IT consulting firm-du-jour or 'source' throwing out its speculation-du-jour.

Incidentally, I'm not sure that I've seen any hard numbers on Android phone sales either (e.g., in the form of segment data from the makers themselves). Can anyone point to a link?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Until these companie come out and talk about some actual sales numbers -- one can understand if it's in the ballpark or somewhat vaguely articulated, for competitive reasons -- I think it's FUD.

I'll just find it easier to believe if they can past mumbles such as "not small, but smooth...." or some IT consulting firm-du-jour or 'source' throwing out its speculation-du-jour.

Incidentally, I'm not sure that I've seen any hard numbers on Android phone sales either (e.g., in the form of segment data from the makers themselves). Can anyone point to a link?

Who needs facts or figures? Android is taking over the world, that's all we need to know, right? Seriously though I don't have a link but Gartner has some of the most recent Android smartphone numbers lying around somewhere. Tablet data? now that I don't recall seeing.
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I'm not saying a sub seven inch device is a replacement for iPad but rather it is an alternative. A lot of people don't seem to grasp that on these forums, but for many uses the iPad is simply too big. On the flip side id love to see a bigger iPad along the size of a clipboard, or about 13-14" in size.

It is pretty simple really; look at the Nook and the amazon pads, they are almost an ideal size for reading documents and being handy enough to have with you all the time. You can't say that with iPad.

Apple may have a point in that a smaller iPad might not be as useful as the current one but who cares? That is like saying the Touch isn't useful because of it's size. Interestingly enough I'm seeing more and more people carrying around Touches as PDAs than ever before. These users don't use them for music or media and instead use them for mail, calendar, and the ocassional web access. Think about the people that carried Daytimers and the like around constantly.
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Let's see, on this web site? The only thing that matters is that if Apple isn't doing it, it must stink. Of course, the tiny iPhone is awesome, and the big iPad is awesome. But anything in between that must be pure junk...

How ironic that the artsy Apple-folk are such luddites when it comes to non-Apple products!
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They could do so and have zero to marginal impact on iPad 2 sales. This is what people don't understand is that we are talking about an entirely different market here. Think about it folks did iPad stop the sale of the Touch and iPhone products. No in fact it seems to have spurred sales along.
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If all other things were equal, I'd probably prefer a smaller form factor. But things aren't equal because iOS isn't available on a smaller tablet size. The OS and overall features and function would override the size preference.

The OS is huge here. Having played with Nooks and Kindles it isn't the physical size that is the problem but rather the software and mire specifically the GUI. One only needs to try using one of these to realize just how borked the interface is.

It has already been proven that iOS works well on small devices so Apple should have zero issues with bringing up a seven inch class device.
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Let's see, on this web site? The only thing that matters is that if Apple isn't doing it, it must stink. Of course, the tiny iPhone is awesome, and the big iPad is awesome. But anything in between that must be pure junk...

How ironic that the artsy Apple-folk are such luddites when it comes to non-Apple products!

Did you read my post? Of course there is scope for a 7" device. It's just a matter of who can actually pull it off reasonably well within reasonable price points... using what is now until further notice a proprietary, closed source operating system.
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7" tablets will have their uses, and I think Apple will produce a 7" version in the future. The problem of all these 7" tablets right now is actually the same as those non-iPad 10" tablets - that they are not Apple products. People are really not interested in buying a tablet, they're just interested in buying an iPad, and that's the key that all these other companies need to understand.
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and the 10.1 is the same price as the iPad two, with arguably better or equal specs.

I think not. I guarantee the GPU in the current Tab 10.1 is not even close to that of the iPad 2 (and that is really a place that it will count and show it's inferiority). The iPad 2 GPU has 3.5x higher triangle rate and has absolutely no slow down when doing full-scene anti-aliasing.

Judging from the stats around wikipedia etc. the Galaxy Tab GPU will be around half way between the iPad 1 and Motorola Xoom.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/a...p2-benchmarked

So, the Tab sucks in that, ultimately the most important, respect. Cameras are generally irrelevant.
post #21 of 87
I'd see two major market segments:

1) Devices that are small enough to fit in your pocket, but involve obvious sacrifices in readability due to their 4" or smaller screens. The iPhone and its smartphone competitors all fall into this category.

2) 9-11" tablets that are the converse of the above. (And if an iPad fits in your pocket, well...)

Of course a 7" tablet falls in between those two. It might fit in a more generous sized pocket, albeit not very conveniently, but it's still a fairly small display. In a something-for- everyone world I imagine that this will be just right for some people. But for the majority of the market a 7" screen seems like an uncomfortable compromise, failing on both counts.
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Let's see, on this web site? The only thing that matters is that if Apple isn't doing it, it must stink. Of course, the tiny iPhone is awesome, and the big iPad is awesome. But anything in between that must be pure junk...

How ironic that the artsy Apple-folk are such luddites when it comes to non-Apple products!

It's all a matter of demand. Until I see very high sales of 7" display tablets, I'll consider the form factor that is one not particularly appealing to the majority of consumers. Yes, I do hear comments that people want tablets that fit into their pockets or lighter-weight tablets but they are in a small minority. I don't know about 7" tablets being pure junk but Samsung got stuck holding an awful lot of Galaxy Tabs that aren't being sold. You believe that Apple does not do consumer research, but I'll bet they do a whole lot more than some of these copycat companies. Yes, I'm sure there are definitely some consumers that would like a 7" tablet. I don't see anything wrong that size, but if I can't sell them in large numbers, I don't want to be bothered with manufacturing them.

You'd better hope that Apple doesn't start selling a 7" tablet, because then it would really squeeze the Droidtard community's hopes because the price would be in the $350 range and consumers would snap them up. I'd like to see a 5" display iPod Touch, but I'm just one person to satisfy and I'd hardly think they should start up a production line just for me. If you get my drift.
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Apple should release iPod Touch with 6-7" screen, then people will perceive 7" tablet as a... non-tablet.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone IMO.

Is this unique to Angry Birds on a 7" screen? Perhaps you support the pigs.
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I'm firmly with Apple on this one (I say that a lot :S). I have used 7" tablets and just could not help but be struck at the inherent uselessness of the form factor. Even my girlfriend came over as I was trying one out in a supermarket here and said 'what's the point of that?' and she couldn't care less about technology.

iPods are popular as PDAs because they are compact and surprisingly useful. iPads offer multitouch without the constraint of size. Something in between would just by a luxury iPod that would cost more and offer nothing over the existing iPod.

There is also the issue of pixel doubling. The iPad is just 4 times larger, you double up each pixel. Easy. If you make a 7" tablet you need to multiply up the pixels to an odd ratio or have huge iPod buttons or tiny iPad ones. It introduces a messy resolution problem without any benefit. Getting devs to develop 7"-specific apps would be far harder than getting them to develop iPad apps.

It all just looks like a bad idea to me.
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Is this unique to Angry Birds on a 7" screen? Perhaps you support the pigs.

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The other day, I saw a Samsung Tab in the wild for the first time. It looked absolutely the right size for me. Small enough to be portable and large enough to be more useful than a smartphone size small screen. I only wished it were less expensive.

Amazon is making a move with its App Store. I believe Amazon will be offering a comprehensive Android ecosystem alternative to iTunes shortly. That will be one less reason why Android is allegedly not equal to iOS. Amazon will have a chance to sell more music, video, books and apps. How's that for competition? I would like to see Amazon capture a greater share of the music sales away from Apple. Amazon has great pricing.

As for actual numbers, Apple had nearly 100% of the tablet market a year ago. This year its dropped to the 80's. How's that for numbers for you. I think that the Samsung Tab had nipped some of that market share from Apple. Not bad for a 'clearly inferior' product. I expect it to drop to the 60's within a year. iPad will continue to sell well. As the competition gets ramped up, so will the competition.
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The other day, I saw a Samsung Tab in the wild for the first time. It looked absolutely the right size for me. Small enough to be portable and large enough to be more useful than a smartphone size small screen. I only wished it were less expensive.

Amazon is making a move with its App Store. I believe Amazon will be offering a comprehensive Android ecosystem alternative to iTunes shortly. That will be one less reason why Android is allegedly not equal to iOS. Amazon will have a chance to sell more music, video, books and apps. How's that for competition? I would like to see Amazon capture a greater share of the music sales away from Apple. Amazon has great pricing.

As for actual numbers, Apple had nearly 100% of the tablet market a year ago. This year its dropped to the 80's. How's that for numbers for you. I think that the Samsung Tab had nipped some of that market share from Apple. Not bad for a 'clearly inferior' product. I expect it to drop to the 60's within a year. iPad will continue to sell well. As the competition gets ramped up, so will the competition.

Yeah sure, easy288.

Check back with us a few quarters from now, will ya?

And, any links you can provide for your 'actual numbers' (as reported by the manufacturers) would be helpful.
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I'm not saying a sub seven inch device is a replacement for iPad but rather it is an alternative. A lot of people don't seem to grasp that on these forums, but for many uses the iPad is simply too big. On the flip side id love to see a bigger iPad along the size of a clipboard, or about 13-14" in size.

It is pretty simple really; look at the Nook and the amazon pads, they are almost an ideal size for reading documents and being handy enough to have with you all the time. You can't say that with iPad.

Apple may have a point in that a smaller iPad might not be as useful as the current one but who cares? That is like saying the Touch isn't useful because of it's size. Interestingly enough I'm seeing more and more people carrying around Touches as PDAs than ever before. These users don't use them for music or media and instead use them for mail, calendar, and the ocassional web access. Think about the people that carried Daytimers and the like around constantly.

Yes, I 100% agree
- there's huge gap between the 3.5" devices & the 9.7" iPad which RIM, Samsung are trying to exploit
- it could be done at a substantially lower price point, and would be great for all of those uses where the large format of the iPad is over-kill.
- since SJ has said that Apple will never do an iPad this size, and doesn't make sense not to have a device at this size, then Apple would need to define it as Touch Maxi, or Touch HD or whatever. Or just admit they were jacking us all along!
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All this talk of "fits in your pocket", does that relate to a 7" device? Because last time I checked, nothing that big would fit in my pocket at all. A briefcase, sure, but not my pocket. But then I would want a full iPad.

All you guys crying for a device small enough to fit in your pocket need to look at the iPod Touch or iPhone. Isn't it that obvious?
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- it could be done at a substantially lower price point, and would be great for all of those uses where the large format of the iPad is over-kill.

How would it do this? Have you noted the prices of the iPod Touch and how they relate to the iPad? The only 2 items they would most likely be changing other than the enclosure would be the screen and battery. All other costs would remain static.
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The other day, I saw a Samsung Tab in the wild for the first time. It looked absolutely the right size for me. Small enough to be portable and large enough to be more useful than a smartphone size small screen. I only wished it were less expensive.

Boy, I hope Samsung or their marketers are paying you well for writing such drivel. Have fun lugging your battery-charger with you wherever you go, and I sure hope there are plenty of outlets

[the Tab's 4 Wh battery is certainly very sad next to the iPad's 25 Wh]
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How would it do this? Have you noted the prices of the iPod Touch and how they relate to the iPad? The only 2 items they would most likely be changing other than the enclosure would be the screen and battery. All other costs would remain static.

iPod Touch 32G: $299
iPad 32G: $599

That's a massive gap - 2x
- so what would a 7" 32G iPod Touch HD cost.... $449?
- with these ratios it's not hard to envisage a 16G iPod Touch HD @$399, or even $349
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Apple should release iPod Touch with 6-7" screen, then people will perceive 7" tablet as a... non-tablet.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone IMO.

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...some legit competition...

"Competition" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Since the introduction of the iPhone, perhaps even as far back as the original iPod, Apple hasn't been spending a whole lot of time thinking of "the competition". They've just focused on making the best products they can conceive of. At this stage in the game, "the competition" would be more of a distraction for Apple than a motivation to innovate. Apple has enough internal motivation to innovate--and that is the best kind of motivation.
Let all the Android hardware makers compete with each other in their race to the bottom. Apple's gonna do their own thing and make sh*tloads of money in the process.
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post #35 of 87
Which one of the Galaxy Tabs can I go out and actually buy right now?

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There are three Tabs - 7", 8.9" and 10.1"
the 7" is old - the 8.9 is about $30 cheaper than the iPad 2, but with lower specs, and the 10.1 is the same price as the iPad two, with arguably better or equal specs. Both the 8.9 and the 10.1 run Honeycomb (I believe). The 7" is 2.2
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From how I understand it, this drop to 80% is mostly due to the Galaxy Tab's so-called 2MM channel stuffing , not actually sold units which brings apple back into the 90% area , the rest is accounted for by some Chinese tablets that are running doctored versions of Android.



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The other day, I saw a Samsung Tab in the wild for the first time. It looked absolutely the right size for me. Small enough to be portable and large enough to be more useful than a smartphone size small screen. I only wished it were less expensive.

Amazon is making a move with its App Store. I believe Amazon will be offering a comprehensive Android ecosystem alternative to iTunes shortly. That will be one less reason why Android is allegedly not equal to iOS. Amazon will have a chance to sell more music, video, books and apps. How's that for competition? I would like to see Amazon capture a greater share of the music sales away from Apple. Amazon has great pricing.

As for actual numbers, Apple had nearly 100% of the tablet market a year ago. This year its dropped to the 80's. How's that for numbers for you. I think that the Samsung Tab had nipped some of that market share from Apple. Not bad for a 'clearly inferior' product. I expect it to drop to the 60's within a year. iPad will continue to sell well. As the competition gets ramped up, so will the competition.
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The other day, I saw a Samsung Tab in the wild for the first time. It looked absolutely the right size for me. Small enough to be portable and large enough to be more useful than a smartphone size small screen. I only wished it were less expensive.

Amazon is making a move with its App Store. I believe Amazon will be offering a comprehensive Android ecosystem alternative to iTunes shortly. That will be one less reason why Android is allegedly not equal to iOS. Amazon will have a chance to sell more music, video, books and apps. How's that for competition? I would like to see Amazon capture a greater share of the music sales away from Apple. Amazon has great pricing.

As for actual numbers, Apple had nearly 100% of the tablet market a year ago. This year its dropped to the 80's. How's that for numbers for you. I think that the Samsung Tab had nipped some of that market share from Apple. Not bad for a 'clearly inferior' product. I expect it to drop to the 60's within a year. iPad will continue to sell well. As the competition gets ramped up, so will the competition.

I actually liked the Samsung Tab 7 inch, and I agree with you, it's too pricey, and I could add, it has a stupid OS with no apps for it. Ahh whatever.

About the market share, it's expected that Apple will have its share lower. Don't know when, it will inevitably happen. I don't buy the thinking that a few have that Apple is just "beyond" anyone and everyone everytime and everywhere. They are the best, but that doesn't mean there can't be good runner ups. And given the huge money involved, there will be competition.

Now if Apple's market share will drop to 20% or 70%, I don't know. It exclusively depends upon the competence of the competition. If the competition can't work it out, they will let Apple rule the whole shebang, if they can, it will be interesting.

Oh, and about those 80% you refer. I'd also like to see actual sale numbers. You know, Samsung has *yet* to disclose how *actual* Samsung Tabs they *actually* sold. And that usually means they sold poorly. Those 80% are a reflection of what would have happened had Samsung sold *every* Tab they *shipped*. All we know though is that the sales were *smooth*. Bah.
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All this talk of "fits in your pocket", does that relate to a 7" device? Because last time I checked, nothing that big would fit in my pocket at all. A briefcase, sure, but not my pocket. But then I would want a full iPad.

All you guys crying for a device small enough to fit in your pocket need to look at the iPod Touch or iPhone. Isn't it that obvious?

Agreed. The 7" is too big for your pocket, so why not go for the full size.

Not only that, how do you design a productivity app for a 7" device?

With an iPad, you have room - you make a full UI for a word processor, you make an address book that looks and behaves like a real address book.

To design for an iPhone you make a pocket-sized version. You can't fit MS word on a screen that small, so you don't design a UI for a full size word processor. Same for an Address book - you can't make a UI that mimics a real address book so you don't.

So what do you design for a 7" tablet. You don't have room for full sized UI, so you can't do that, and when you make pocket sized versions, they just look awkward because they're stretched to fill the 7" screen.

7" is suitable for games and video, but for anything else, it's just awkward.
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All this talk of "fits in your pocket", does that relate to a 7" device? Because last time I checked, nothing that big would fit in my pocket at all. A briefcase, sure, but not my pocket. But then I would want a full iPad.

All you guys crying for a device small enough to fit in your pocket need to look at the iPod Touch or iPhone. Isn't it that obvious?

I don't really care about "pocketable." But just because it doesn't fit in your pocket doesn't mean a smaller sized iPad (or larger Touch) isn't practical. I ride a transit train to work every day, and for all of the millions of iPads Apple has sold in the last year, do you know how many I've seen on my commute? Three. And every time it was someone who got a seat and they were resting it on their lap to use it. And the other times I've seen people with one (in person and commentators using them on TV), they are cradling it in the forearm, not holding it by the bezel. On a crowded, moving train, it could be difficult to hold an iPad securely (both from a dropping and theft stand-point).

The point is, portability is more than just fitting in your pocket. It's how usable it is in varying environments and conditions. Something smaller and lighter than can be more easily grasped would be useful in many circumstances.
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Well. I won't buy any of these devices... until someone supports a "proper size" for a mobile OS!

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