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post #41 of 84
This is sounding exactly like what happened with the iPad 2. There was a post on an obscure Taiwanese blog called Yunatsu, which said that it had sources that confirmed that the iPad 2 was pushed back to June.

As far as I'm concerned, this is nothing but rumors, and if someone is trying to get their hands on Apple stock, then this is market manipulation, plain and simple.

My verdict is: Talk to me after a more credible source (e.g. Wall Street Journal) can confirm this.
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Not necessary a bad thing. It'll save me some money. The iphone is great the way it is anyway. New software features will give it a new life.

Given that Apple has indicated that LTE isn't robust enough to support yet what is there to do with the iPhone hardware right now.

So they skip a summer hardware release and use those lines etc for more iPads. Makes some sense.

Then in January they release some crazy killer triple service iPhone 5 and everyone falls to their knees to worship it. Perhaps even keep the phone in the january/february track and slide the iPad to the summer so they can spread the hot sales around. Who knows they might get their heads out of their butts and let the college kiddies use that $200 iPod rebate against on iPad.

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post #43 of 84
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If you were right, it would be a problem. Fortunately, you're not, so it isn't.

according to Nielsen [on March 4th, 2011], Apple is ALREADY behind Android and losing marketshare FAST... not that The Nielsen Company is an authority on statistics or anything; we should wait until "Changewave" comes out with another 317-person survey for some REAL data. Neilson has more employees than Changewave has people in it's data puddle.


Apple needs to update the iPhone MUCH more often than once every 12 months, and i don't mean just the color. Look at HTC's refresh rate: THIRTEEN new Android smartphones in the last 12 months. blah blah blah blah quality over quantity. HTC makes a solid product. put iOS on there and i would buy one.
post #44 of 84
Only in blogosphere do rumors become synonymous with fact. And, sadly even people who consider themselves tech savvy succumb to this:

Rumor=Fact

and Apple Insider become party to this, without injecting any proof of veracity. Worse, it builds on that rumor as if it were already a fact.

To paraphrase you:
  • Rumors abound that the iPad2 would be delayed.
  • Rumors abound that the launch of the iPad2 in other countries would be delayed.
  • Rumors have been out so many years that the mini-iPhone would come
  • Speculations abound that Apple MUST lower its iPad2 price to compete with all those iPad killers.
  • etc.
  • etc.

Oh, by the way, even the likes of Wall Street, New York Times, and other "reliable" sources of news have not been immune to reporting rumors.

Well, since we are into rumor-mongering, my bold prediction is that Apple will announce a new iPhone in June, as scheduled. Morever, because of the "Antennagate", it would redesign the new iPhone antenna to find a resolution, or at least improve the situation. They are likely to shed the front and back glass design because of the experience with the white iPhone.

No sources to back the predictions, just from observing Apple's previous actions.

June is not too far away to prove whether my predictions are correct or not.

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This is sounding exactly like what happened with the iPad 2. There was a post on an obscure Taiwanese blog called Yunatsu, which said that it had sources that confirmed that the iPad 2 was pushed back to June.

As far as I'm concerned, this is nothing but rumors, and if someone is trying to get their hands on Apple stock, then this is market manipulation, plain and simple.

My verdict is: Talk to me after a more credible source (e.g. Wall Street Journal) can confirm this.
post #45 of 84
Didn't all these rumors abound for the iPad 2 as well? Didn't they all amount to nil?

Likewise the iPad 2 leads the field again and so will the iPhone 5. Even if it isn't the huge leap some imagine the A5, refreshed screeen and likely better camera sensor are more than enough for me and millions of others.

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I hate to hammer on this so often, but AI really needs to get with the dictionary. Right from the Mac dictionary, you will find that "allegedly" means "said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality." AI constantly uses this word when they really (I presume) mean "supposedly" or "reportedly." The word "allegedly" may sound more weighty and important, but it's not actually the concept you are trying to suggest -- unless you really do mean that the iPhone 5 prototypes are illegal or undesirable.

The dictionary is a "learning" dictionary. If you cancel out the suggestions a few times, it learns your new words and typing pattern. I've noticed it being annoying whenever I type on a new iphone but after awhile it seems to learn my typing pattern.
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The dictionary is a "learning" dictionary. If you cancel out the suggestions a few times, it learns your new words and typing pattern. I've noticed it being annoying whenever I type on a new iphone but after awhile it seems to learn my typing pattern.

You are talking about iOS, apparently. I am talking about the Mac.
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The lack of new parts in the supply chain means nothing. I expect the design to be very similar, in which case there wouldn't be many new parts, and what new parts there are may be sourced to new suppliers. Besides that, reports that come from supply chain sources are highly unreliable.

Yup, a white iPhone with the focus being on a huge leap with iOS5.

What exactly is wrong or lacking in the iPhone4 anyway.. I'm not left on any day missing some hardware feature. What are the competitors doing anyway, not much. Is the iPhone4 slow, nope.

iOS 5, focus on delivering the next 5years of mobile platform. It will do more to the phone than a new phone, as long as they are thinking right.
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(1) Verizon customers would be upset if a new iPhone arrived within 6 months of the iPhone 4's first availability on that network (not to mention how haggard Apple engineers would be).
(2) The iPhone 5 will be virtually as fast as the iPad 2.

Therefore... the iPhone 5 will arrive in the fall alongside the iPad 2 HD.

yup it there is a delay this is the game plan!
post #50 of 84
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More obviously to me: Apple have to move away from a predictable schedule as it is ruining a month of sales.

It won't matter, no one is going to buy an iPhone 4 in May anyway. They'll just be upset if a new one isn't introduced and go buy an android. Or not. Personally, my contract is up on 6/17 and I will be upset if I can't get a new iPhone then, and regally peeved if I have to wait another 3+ months.
post #51 of 84
I think this is probably BS.....

However, it would be a very cheap ( and plausibly deny able ) way to try and convince Verizon customers, like me, that they should not wait for the iPhone 5.

For the Record, there is no way I would buy an iPhone 4 right now.... ( I would be more likely to get a HTC Thunderbolt with 4G if I had to get a phone right now )

My droid is still kicking ( cracked screen and after being dunked in a lake ) I have waited this long for an iPhone, I can wait a couple of months to see what happens...
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Firstly allegedly is used correctly. Secondly all this means, if true, is that Apple will release a 4gs.

More obviously to me: Apple have to move away from a predictable schedule as it is ruining a month of sales.


How does one "allegedly build three prototype models"? As opposed to "Apple is alleged to have built three prototype models"?

How does this rumor equate to Apple releasing a "4gs"? The product name is a marketing decision where everything seems to be aligning towards Apple going with a 5. There's the A5, and it looks like iOS 5 will be timed around the next iPhone release. Regardless of what it's called, the name is just the name.

As far as the predictable schedule...It may be that the opposite is true. If Apple can allow the speculation of when a product will be updated to affect sales short term, it may simple create a dip in sales right when they need to have the lines retooled to produce the new model. Without the speculation, people may put off sales for much longer periods of time. Apple appears to have this figured out, otherwise, they'd either be announcing things way in advance, or would've moved away from predictable scheduling a long time ago.
post #53 of 84
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ramblings...

We have every version of iPhone.

I have the iP4.

For a while now, I've been anticipating an iP5. As a developer I will buy one.


I would like to see NFC and IR (for universal remote control) -- World Phone would be nice but I, likely, would never need access other than AT&T. A slightly larger screen would be OK -- but not a game changer.


So, what exciting new capabilities can we expect on the small screen form factor of an iPhone?


I don't really see iPhone or iPod Touch capabilities that require the dual dually CPU/GPU.

It maybe would speed up some things -- but the iP4 does things quite well, IMO -- I don't feel constrained by anything but the small screen.

I don't see anything compelling in the hardware of competitive smart phones -- except they may require more robust hardware (CPU, GPU, RAM) to approximate the finely-tuned hardware/software integration of the iP4.


If the A5 chip can make the iPhone 5 perform more efficiently (increased battery life), or make enhanced notifications practical... then fine.

As I see it now, the A4 is well suited for a smart phone, and Apple could choose to stick with that for the iPhones.

OTOH, if there are reasons of economies of scale and standardization that would benefit by using the A5 in all the iDevices.

/ramblings

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What exactly is wrong or lacking in the iPhone4 anyway.. I'm not left on any day missing some hardware feature. What are the competitors doing anyway, not much. Is the iPhone4 slow, nope.

You said in a few words what I tried to say in many,,.
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post #55 of 84
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If you were right, it would be a problem. Fortunately, you're not, so it isn't.

Except when it comes to LTE. There is one Verizon LTE Android phone on the market, and another on the way in April. So, there is a likelihood that there won't be an LTE based iPhone until September. I see a lot of people not waiting and getting Droids because I'd rather have a Droid on LTE than an iPhone on CDMA. Just saying... I love Apple, but I, personally, wouldn't wait an eternity if I was getting a smartphone for the first time. Android is certainly good enough.
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How does one "allegedly build three prototype models"? As opposed to "Apple is alleged to have built three prototype models"?

How does this rumor equate to Apple releasing a "4gs"? The product name is a marketing decision where everything seems to be aligning towards Apple going with a 5. There's the A5, and it looks like iOS 5 will be timed around the next iPhone release. Regardless of what it's called, the name is just the name.

As far as the predictable schedule...It may be that the opposite is true. If Apple can allow the speculation of when a product will be updated to affect sales short term, it may simple create a dip in sales right when they need to have the lines retooled to produce the new model. Without the speculation, people may put off sales for much longer periods of time. Apple appears to have this figured out, otherwise, they'd either be announcing things way in advance, or would've moved away from predictable scheduling a long time ago.

By 4gs I mean same components except for the A5 - which they would be ordering anyway for the iPad. this story is based on absence of evidence anyway, but I always assumed no change to the form factor this year.

By iP5 I mean - new hardware design.

No idea why you think allegedly us wrong. Take supposed. Apple is supposed to have cornered the Market in capitative screens = Apple has supposedly cornered the Market etc
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post #57 of 84
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I hate to hammer on this so often, but AI really needs to get with the dictionary. Right from the Mac dictionary, you will find that "allegedly" means "said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality." AI constantly uses this word when they really (I presume) mean "supposedly" or "reportedly." The word "allegedly" may sound more weighty and important, but it's not actually the concept you are trying to suggest -- unless you really do mean that the iPhone 5 prototypes are illegal or undesirable.

Gee, your own definition says "said, without proof, to have taken place". Is that not a pretty good synonym for "reportedly"

Just because it doesn't meet both possible definitions doesn't make it wrong.
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I dunno, I don't buy it(the story that it will delayed). I would think the least they would do is go to the A5 or dual mode. That said, Im not sure what more hardware can be added to complement the basic features of the phone. Ideas? I'd be happy with an iP4(S?) if it was just upgraded a bit as mentioned. I personnally dont want NFC etc, others may.

I suspect that NFC is the future for business payment. If Apple can work with other manufacturers to create a standardized format for NFC, then that'll smooth over a lot of interoperability issues. That might be why an iPhone 5 could take so long to release.

As for features, as many others in this thread have said, the current iPhone has plenty of features. I did a little brainstorming, and this is a conservative list at what will probably end up in the next iPhone:

1. A5 chip
2. Current shape (flat back; external side antenna), only with an aluminum back
2a. Modified antenna design which mimics Verizon iPhone 4
3. Higher-resolution camera with 1080/29.97p video recording
4. Dedicated camera shutter button (in wake of Camera+ controversy)
5. NFC device
6. Current screen size/resolution

I don't think there will be an LTE iPhone until 2012 at the earliest, so chips can become smaller and more power-efficient for Apple. So will Apple include an HSPA+ radio on the AT&T version? Remember, HSPA+ has been labelled "4G" by AT&T and T-Mobile. So this creates an interesting question for Apple: If Apple doesn't think LTE is ready for a Verizon 4G device, will they decide to not put an HSPA+ radio into a phone which is likely to compete against a bunch of 4G-capable Android devices in the coming years? Or will they put the 4G into the AT&T iPhone?

If they put the 4G into the AT&T version of a new iPhone, but not the VZ version, won't that create confusion among customers (and "confusion" was the reason for pulling the first Camera+ app release)? So really, there's a chance that the next "iPhone 4G" will be an AT&T exclusive.

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iPods are still very much a big deal. The iPod touch is how millions of people without iPhone contracts or monthly bills utilize iOS/spend money on the App Store/iTunes Store/iBookstore.

The one thing that the iPod touch doesn't have is a GPS chip, because GPS is currently tied to the 3G cellular chip. iPod touch-capable location apps like Facebook+Deals are crippled because lack of the GPS. If GPS got integrated into the SoC or WiFi unit, then all iDevices could have integrated GPS, which can only be good for location-based services that seem to be the future of ad monetization, if what I hear is true.
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according to Nielsen [on March 4th, 2011], Apple is ALREADY behind Android and losing marketshare FAST... not that The Nielsen Company is an authority on statistics or anything; we should wait until "Changewave" comes out with another 317-person survey for some REAL data. Neilson has more employees than Changewave has people in it's data puddle.


Apple needs to update the iPhone MUCH more often than once every 12 months, and i don't mean just the color. Look at HTC's refresh rate: THIRTEEN new Android smartphones in the last 12 months. blah blah blah blah quality over quantity. HTC makes a solid product. put iOS on there and i would buy one.

Apple gained marketshare last quarter. It wasn't much, but it was a gain. This was also before Verizon gained the phone, and before other carriers around the world gained it.
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Except when it comes to LTE. There is one Verizon LTE Android phone on the market, and another on the way in April. So, there is a likelihood that there won't be an LTE based iPhone until September. I see a lot of people not waiting and getting Droids because I'd rather have a Droid on LTE than an iPhone on CDMA. Just saying... I love Apple, but I, personally, wouldn't wait an eternity if I was getting a smartphone for the first time. Android is certainly good enough.

Not impressed with so called LTE yet, and obviously, neither is Apple. Considering that Apple is still selling out of the iPhone 4, neither are most customers. If Apple could make more, they would sell more.

When you're told to turn off the latest technology because it suck your battery life out, it's not ready for prime time. When it is, Apple will have it.
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Question: If a the IRS is an unconstitutional entity (ncrepublic.org), and an unconstitutional act is not a law (Supreme Court case Norton v. Shelby County), then does a fiscal year really exist?

Since the IRS is a constitutional entity, the question doesn't apply.

That garbage you posted from those web sites is just that, garbage.
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Not impressed with so called LTE yet, and obviously, neither is Apple. Considering that Apple is still selling out of the iPhone 4, neither are most customers. If Apple could make more, they would sell more.

When you're told to turn off the latest technology because it suck your battery life out, it's not ready for prime time. When it is, Apple will have it.

Really? You mean like my iPod Touch now does, thanks to iOS 4.3 and is still there despite the 4.3.1 update and turning off Ping? Like others have also reported?

You're not impressed with LTE? Buahahahahahaha. First of all, the Thunderbolt has been out like a week and a half, which is the first and only Verizon LTE phone. Sure, some debuggin is in order, but that's the nature of being first to adopt. Second, you're not impressed because you don't have it. LTE is fast...very fast. The reason Apple "isn't impressed" is because they haven't had time to get out an iPhone with LTE technology. They had to get out a CDMA phone, first, because LTE wasn't available when Apple began working on the Verizon iPhone. It's coming, when Apple releases the iPhone 5. It has nothing to do with how "impressed" Apple is. Had the timing been better, the Verizon iPhone 4 might have been the first LTE device. Then would you have bashed it? Apple is and always has been a company that has been big in innovation, and that means leading edge technology. With it came some hiccups. I've been an Apple user since 1982. Believe me, I'm well aware of what Apple is and has been about.

Wow... It's stupid comments from fanboys like you that make an actual valid debate impossible. I'm actually a big Apple fan, but I'm not delirious like you. The competition isn't so bad. You just need to wake up and realize Steve Jobs isn't God. Maybe some deprogramming is in order?
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Question: If a the IRS is an unconstitutional entity (ncrepublic.org), and an unconstitutional act is not a law (Supreme Court case Norton v. Shelby County), then does a fiscal year really exist?

Have you actually read the US Constitution? Section 8:

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Really? You mean like my iPod Touch now does, thanks to iOS 4.3 and is still there despite the 4.3.1 update and turning off Ping? Like others have also reported?

You're not impressed with LTE? Buahahahahahaha. First of all, the Thunderbolt has been out like a week and a half, which is the first and only Verizon LTE phone. Sure, some debuggin is in order, but that's the nature of being first to adopt. Second, you're not impressed because you don't have it. LTE is fast...very fast. The reason Apple "isn't impressed" is because they haven't had time to get out an iPhone with LTE technology. They had to get out a CDMA phone, first, because LTE wasn't available when Apple began working on the Verizon iPhone. It's coming, when Apple releases the iPhone 5. It has nothing to do with how "impressed" Apple is. Had the timing been better, the Verizon iPhone 4 might have been the first LTE device. Then would you have bashed it? Apple is and always has been a company that has been big in innovation, and that means leading edge technology. With it came some hiccups. I've been an Apple user since 1982. Believe me, I'm well aware of what Apple is and has been about.

Wow... It's stupid comments from fanboys like you that make an actual valid debate impossible. I'm actually a big Apple fan, but I'm not delirious like you. The competition isn't so bad. You just need to wake up and realize Steve Jobs isn't God. Maybe some deprogramming is in order?

I've just read some stupid comments from an Android fanboy. What else is new?
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iPhone 4s/5 will be same design as current model with a few modifications (bigger screen).

iPhone 5/6 which will have complete redesign and May 2012 release.

You don't change a winning formula.

Interesting...

Bigger screen 4" (960x640), same physical size and design, reengineered antenna to remove all weak-spots, glass front and back like before, NFC, world-mode-phone.

But how to sell this device? No. I think they'll perhaps throw in a metal back and call it iPhone 5.

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Gee, your own definition says "said, without proof, to have taken place". Is that not a pretty good synonym for "reportedly"

Just because it doesn't meet both possible definitions doesn't make it wrong.

Already explained.
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Already explained.

Where?

"Right from the Mac dictionary, you will find that "allegedly" means "said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.""

This was clearly the former
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I don't really see iPhone or iPod Touch capabilities that require the dual dually CPU/GPU.

It maybe would speed up some things -- but the iP4 does things quite well, IMO -- I don't feel constrained by anything but the small screen.

Missed this. The A5, especially the improved graphics, mainly improves gaming capabilities. The A4 doesn't have enough firepower for 1080p video recording, either.

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Not impressed with so called LTE yet, and obviously, neither is Apple. Considering that Apple is still selling out of the iPhone 4, neither are most customers. If Apple could make more, they would sell more.

When you're told to turn off the latest technology because it suck your battery life out, it's not ready for prime time. When it is, Apple will have it.

While I'm generally an iPhone supporter, I realize that many people don't see what many iPhone supporters see. As long as their favorite apps are on both iOS and Android, they'll look to see what hardware and software is best for them. And I suspect that 4G will be a major deciding factor amongst the unwashed masses. If they don't believe the benefits of iOS outweigh the benefits of 4G speeds, then they'll get the Android 4G device. It's that simple.

Whatever iPhone is released this year will be available for the next two years, and will compete against a growing number of 4G Android phones. So will Apple:

1. Compromise on LTE and release a device for Verizon in late 2011 (and an HSPA+ 4G device for AT&T)
2. Release a 3G-only device for Verizon and AT&T
3. Release a 4G HSPA+ device for AT&T only; sell the iPhone 4 at Verizon for another year

My guess is they'll do No. 2, although I find avoiding 4G for another year to be a risky strategy. Perhaps Verizon will get a dual-mode iPhone with this strategy, although AT&T has many more iPhone accounts than VZ, and most international business travelers are with AT&T.
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Really? You mean like my iPod Touch now does, thanks to iOS 4.3 and is still there despite the 4.3.1 update and turning off Ping? Like others have also reported?

You're not impressed with LTE? Buahahahahahaha. First of all, the Thunderbolt has been out like a week and a half, which is the first and only Verizon LTE phone. Sure, some debuggin is in order, but that's the nature of being first to adopt. Second, you're not impressed because you don't have it. LTE is fast...very fast. The reason Apple "isn't impressed" is because they haven't had time to get out an iPhone with LTE technology. They had to get out a CDMA phone, first, because LTE wasn't available when Apple began working on the Verizon iPhone. It's coming, when Apple releases the iPhone 5. It has nothing to do with how "impressed" Apple is. Had the timing been better, the Verizon iPhone 4 might have been the first LTE device. Then would you have bashed it? Apple is and always has been a company that has been big in innovation, and that means leading edge technology. With it came some hiccups. I've been an Apple user since 1982. Believe me, I'm well aware of what Apple is and has been about.

Wow... It's stupid comments from fanboys like you that make an actual valid debate impossible. I'm actually a big Apple fan, but I'm not delirious like you. The competition isn't so bad. You just need to wake up and realize Steve Jobs isn't God. Maybe some deprogramming is in order?

Do you truly believe all this drivel?
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Missed this. The A5, especially the improved graphics, mainly improves gaming capabilities. The A4 doesn't have enough firepower for 1080p video recording, either.

I wonder if that's true. We should be seeing a new version of Real Racer 2 with not only 1080p output while gaming, but with a controller display for the iPad 2 at the same time.

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While I'm generally an iPhone supporter, I realize that many people don't see what many iPhone supporters see. As long as their favorite apps are on both iOS and Android, they'll look to see what hardware and software is best for them. And I suspect that 4G will be a major deciding factor amongst the unwashed masses. If they don't believe the benefits of iOS outweigh the benefits of 4G speeds, then they'll get the Android 4G device. It's that simple.

Whatever iPhone is released this year will be available for the next two years, and will compete against a growing number of 4G Android phones. So will Apple:

1. Compromise on LTE and release a device for Verizon in late 2011 (and an HSPA+ 4G device for AT&T)
2. Release a 3G-only device for Verizon and AT&T
3. Release a 4G HSPA+ device for AT&T only; sell the iPhone 4 at Verizon for another year

My guess is they'll do No. 2, although I find avoiding 4G for another year to be a risky strategy. Perhaps Verizon will get a dual-mode iPhone with this strategy, although AT&T has many more iPhone accounts than VZ, and most international business travelers are with AT&T.

We don't know what's going on now. For all we know, this is a deliberate delay for the
Purpose of using LTE. But we have to remember that most areas of the country don't have LTE yet. Until sometime 2012 there won't be coverage over most of the country, and not until sometime 2013 will the entire country be covered. The same thing is true in most places.

This won't be a serious issue for some time. I don't know what all the fuss is all about. The two companies that have been pushing this the most are still bleeding subscribers. Phones with it have poor battery life unless it's turned off, as all reviews of these products recommend.

We've seen a lot of things that Apple "had to have" or sales would tank. Never happened. Apple still can't keep up with demand. If they don't have it by mid 2012, that could be a problem, but not now. Remember the big argument about AMOLED screens? That's a dead issue. The questions about c/paste, multitasking and others all went away after Apple came out with them. The same thing will happen here.

What about 3G, GPS, apps? Apple was said to have major problems because they didn't have them. But Apple came out with all these features when they were ready, on their schedule, not on the schedule of those who wouldn't be buying them anyway.

The tech heads are all jumping up and down over this, but most people, you know, the ones who really buy iPhones, are still buying them in record numbers. Where's the evidence that they aren't?
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Where?

"Right from the Mac dictionary, you will find that "allegedly" means "said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality.""

This was clearly the former

Yes, I know you'd like me to repeat myself four times at least, so you can waste as much of my time as possible, but you aren't going to get that pleasure. Sorry.
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I wonder if that's true. We should be seeing a new version of Real Racer 2 with not only 1080p output while gaming, but with a controller display for the iPad 2 at the same time.

I don't know if the A5 is powerful enough to handle 1080p output of games, but who's going to demand 1080p outputting of a game meant to be viewed on a portable 960x480 screen, anyway? In the meantime, a better graphics processor can calculate more triangles per second, meaning more realistic images.

What really interests me is if the A5 is powerful enough to decode and output 1080p H.264 video. And if so, will it get to an AppleTV update late this year? But then again, is an AppleTV refresh needed anytime this year? Who uses 1080p streaming, anyway? Netflix is 720p, as is iTunes. Going to 1080p 2D or 720p 3D streaming requires 6-8 Mbps, which is a bit too much for most homes in the country. If the A4 can pass through 1080p AirPlay data from an iPad 2, then there's no need for an A5-based ATV upgrade, just to make that possible.

I don't know if it's as cheap for Apple to make an A4 as an A5, but if it is, then why update the AppleTV anytime soon? That can buy time for Apple to put an A6 into the next AppleTV, which might literally be a TV.

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We don't know what's going on now. For all we know, this is a deliberate delay for the
Purpose of using LTE. But we have to remember that most areas of the country don't have LTE yet. Until sometime 2012 there won't be coverage over most of the country, and not until sometime 2013 will the entire country be covered. The same thing is true in most places.

Something else to think about: While LTE will take a while in most places (especially with AT&T, which won't implement it at all 'til 2012), HSPA+ "4G" will get a much more aggressive rollout through AT&T and T-Mobile. So if Apple chooses not to put HSPA+ in their next iPhone, it'll be competing against numerous 4G HSPA+ Android phones that, unlike LTE, don't drag on battery life quite so bad. Additionally, 2012 will come with the release of phones that have more power-friendly LTE chips than the current ones; that will help with Verizon's 4G Android smartphones. So if you look now, sure, being 3G-only's not a big deal. 2012 could be a brand-new ballgame.

Oh, plenty of people are buying iPhones now. That's not the problem. It's what could happen in, say, April of 2012, when a lot of AT&T 4G Android devices will likely exist, and people might want 4G capability in their smartphones. I think you underestimate the public's desire for faster speeds, everywhere. It's different than features like GPS or some obscure app they download once and never use, again. Many features will be used once a day by the average user, but Internet speeds will be noticed by a smartphone user multiple times every day; it becomes a quality of life issue.

Sure, HSPA+ and LTE won't be coming to a lot of countries for years, but the American market is so important in determining what platforms appmakers develop for, since the money to be made in apps mainly comes from American customers. We both know the apps are ultimately what drive smartphone purchases above everything else, even 4G. But since most top apps are available on iOS and Android, that evens things out for customers. 4G might not.

Back when Apple was being chided for remaining 2G, smartphones were relatively rare devices which were purchased by techno-geeks who knew what they were buying. Plus, no one had Apple's kind of touchscreen OS, so where else would you go? Today, Android's damn close to iOS, to the point that a lot of people who don't know any better would say that an Android phone's just like an iPhone. They probably wouldn't compare iPhone and BlackBerry that way, today. Additionally, smartphones are being marketed to the masses, at lower prices, in ways that weren't imagined back in 2007.

Apple has a brand-new iPhone plant coming online this year, and at the same time, Apple's losing marketshare to Android. The added capacity will be needed to reverse the trend, but so will top-quality hardware that can match up well with Android in the eyes of the average American. For them, trading away the 4G speeds for iOS may not make sense, unless Steve can bring out some killer feature that buys Apple six months to a year's worth of 4G-like sales, until Google copies it to Android. Cloud functionality might be it, but Google has been into the cloud on the desktop, so Apple might not get six months.

So to me, remaining 3G-only is a risk, as is going to LTE on Verizon before mid-2012. Getting a hefty 4G exclusivity subsidiary from AT&T, keeping the iPhone 4 available on Verizon, all while keeping competitive with Android, looks pretty safe on both the front end and the back end.
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A cheaper iPhone able to run on all carriers in China is far more important than LTE. Unimportant outside the US. Not very important within it.
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I don't know if the A5 is powerful enough to handle 1080p output of games, but who's going to demand 1080p outputting of a game meant to be viewed on a portable 960x480 screen, anyway? In the meantime, a better graphics processor can calculate more triangles per second, meaning more realistic images.

Perhaps you didn't quite get it. But I said that it outputs 1080p, while still having the game controller on the iPad. That should have told you that the output was going to your monitor or Tv. That's far more strenuous that merely outputting 1080p video, which we know the SoC will easily handle. The only reason why Apple isn't officially supporting 1080p output is because the camera only shoots 720p. Apple has a habit with their small mobile devices of limiting official output to what it can directly input. I don't know why, but that's the reason. I happen to think it's a bad reason, but that's what it is.

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What really interests me is if the A5 is powerful enough to decode and output 1080p H.264 video. And if so, will it get to an AppleTV update late this year? But then again, is an AppleTV refresh needed anytime this year? Who uses 1080p streaming, anyway? Netflix is 720p, as is iTunes. Going to 1080p 2D or 720p 3D streaming requires 6-8 Mbps, which is a bit too much for most homes in the country. If the A4 can pass through 1080p AirPlay data from an iPad 2, then there's no need for an A5-based ATV upgrade, just to make that possible.

Return to my first part of this post. The answer is the same. Yes, it can. Right now, to output 1080p from an iPad2 you need Apple's adapter, and an HDMI cable. You can't do it over the air. The iPad2 can deliver 1080p at up to 20 Mbs. It isn't official, as I've said, but it can do it. I doubt the aTv can receive that signal. Perhaps with an upgrade to the new SoC, if it isn't too expensive for the $99 device.

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I don't know if it's as cheap for Apple to make an A4 as an A5, but if it is, then why update the AppleTV anytime soon? That can buy time for Apple to put an A6 into the next AppleTV, which might literally be a TV.

I imagine you mean if the A5 is as cheap to make as the a4. If it is as cheap, then why not upgrade it? That would equalize all the lines later this year, as everything would be on the same chip. Touch, iPhone, and iPad. That would make it easier for Apple to integrate everything. And, if they should decide to officially support 1080p, everything could handle it. But I would also think that the entire SoC would be required. I don't see Apple using the A5 without the rest of it, ESP the Imagnation dual core GPU.

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Something else to think about: While LTE will take a while in most places (especially with AT&T, which won't implement it at all 'til 2012), HSPA+ "4G" will get a much more aggressive rollout through AT&T and T-Mobile. So if Apple chooses not to put HSPA+ in their next iPhone, it'll be competing against numerous 4G HSPA+ Android phones that, unlike LTE, don't drag on battery life quite so bad. Additionally, 2012 will come with the release of phones that have more power-friendly LTE chips than the current ones; that will help with Verizon's 4G Android smartphones. So if you look now, sure, being 3G-only's not a big deal. 2012 could be a brand-new ballgame.

This is why I said that if they don't have it by mid 2012, it could be a problem. I don't see it as a problem during the rest of 2011, or the first half of 2012.

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Oh, plenty of people are buying iPhones now. That's not the problem. It's what could happen in, say, April of 2012, when a lot of AT&T 4G Android devices will likely exist, and people might want 4G capability in their smartphones. I think you underestimate the public's desire for faster speeds, everywhere. It's different than features like GPS or some obscure app they download once and never use, again. Many features will be used once a day by the average user, but Internet speeds will be noticed by a smartphone user multiple times every day; it becomes a quality of life issue.

Sure, HSPA+ and LTE won't be coming to a lot of countries for years, but the American market is so important in determining what platforms appmakers develop for, since the money to be made in apps mainly comes from American customers. We both know the apps are ultimately what drive smartphone purchases above everything else, even 4G. But since most top apps are available on iOS and Android, that evens things out for customers. 4G might not.

Back when Apple was being chided for remaining 2G, smartphones were relatively rare devices which were purchased by techno-geeks who knew what they were buying. Plus, no one had Apple's kind of touchscreen OS, so where else would you go? Today, Android's damn close to iOS, to the point that a lot of people who don't know any better would say that an Android phone's just like an iPhone. They probably wouldn't compare iPhone and BlackBerry that way, today. Additionally, smartphones are being marketed to the masses, at lower prices, in ways that weren't imagined back in 2007.

Apple has a brand-new iPhone plant coming online this year, and at the same time, Apple's losing marketshare to Android. The added capacity will be needed to reverse the trend, but so will top-quality hardware that can match up well with Android in the eyes of the average American. For them, trading away the 4G speeds for iOS may not make sense, unless Steve can bring out some killer feature that buys Apple six months to a year's worth of 4G-like sales, until Google copies it to Android. Cloud functionality might be it, but Google has been into the cloud on the desktop, so Apple might not get six months.

So to me, remaining 3G-only is a risk, as is going to LTE on Verizon before mid-2012. Getting a hefty 4G exclusivity subsidiary from AT&T, keeping the iPhone 4 available on Verizon, all while keeping competitive with Android, looks pretty safe on both the front end and the back end.

truthfully, despite some dire warnings from techno geeks, I'm not seeing much call for so called 4G or LTE, neither of which are the real thing, as we should all know by now. Yes, it's USUALLY faster, but not always. As is always true, it's more an Individual network thing than the standard itself. How many phones actually get close to what they can, in theory, do now? Not a single one! In fact, I've seen a number of reviews that have shown the iPhone 4 getting better download speeds than some 4G phones in the same place, at the same time.

I strongly believe that Apple has until mid 2012 to come out with a 4G/LTE model. If it happens earlier, then fine, I won't argue about it. I just don't see it as a real issue now.
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Let's look at a market that has no credible 4G yet, China. Apple's products are very popular there, but are just beginning to get good distribution. Apple's sales there last year were up some 600%. Think about that. The largest market with still fairly small sales that grew by 600% in one year, after having grown over 250% the year before. Apple,s phone is very desirable there, and this will weigh heavily in Apple's future sales, a fact that many analysts aren't figuring on when they give future predictions.

Here an interesting article with a couple of nice charts:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...ains-in-china/

It's why I think some of the concern is overblown.
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Have you actually read the US Constitution? Section 8:

Yep, I have a copy of it right in front of me. Have you ever noticed the contradiction between Section 9, paragraph 4 and the 16th Amendment? They say two completely different things. Constitutional taxes were originally in proportion to the census or enumeration of the states. This was a check-and-balance so that states received equal representation. We all paid the same amount. The fruits of our labor was not taxed. We were not punished for our success or wealth.

Did you also know that 100% of the income tax pays only for the national debt rather than the services which the American people expect? These are stats from YOUR very own government.

Did you also know that Reconstruction, along with the opposing object and outcome of the Civil War was also unconstitutional? Did you know that Reconstruction was the overthrow of state governments by the 39th congress and that the 14th Amendment makes us all U.S. national citizens, subject to Washington, rather than state citizens subject to local self-government as the founders intended?

Did you know that coercion does not create a legal obligation?

Did you know that there is currently a $10,000 reward (in gold and silver coin) being offered (americasremedy.com) to anyone able to prove that the current state of North Carolina was created lawfully? Or what about the $136,878+ reward (proveitsreal.com) being offered to anyone able to prove that the 14th Amendment was properly ratified in accordance to the requirements set forth by the Constitution?
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Since the IRS is a constitutional entity, the question doesn't apply.

That garbage you posted from those web sites is just that, garbage.

Oh yeah, they are a constitutional entity. Sure. They are really helping Americans and doing us all a great service, rather than looting and plundering us all, stealing our property, and taking any fake, paper money that we have left..lol. You my friend are in denial about your own surroundings. You do nothing without permission. Kneel down and lick the hands of those who feed you.
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Did you know that a parallel universe exists, where everything you know is wrong?
Please don't be insane.
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Did you know that a parallel universe exists, where everything you know is wrong?

Did you know that it is easier to criticize and poke fun at something different than it is to rebut arguments with actual fact?
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