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Originally Posted by Not Unlike Myself View Post

No, not kidding at all. I may not be a super-mover-and shaker but I'm no digital slouch. I don't know of a single person (in my workplace, family, or friends) which use amazon for any of these things. Amazon's reputation in the eyes of 90% of consumers is an online version of MediaPlay. Their server leasing business, cloud service and electronic marketplace is still a niche product.

And for no geek degree.. not so sure. If you are an iOS user.. you aren't even a target customer. My own android phone has never seen a single online media purchase. I still sync it with a PC based library (raided from my Mac). Not saying there aren't users of these services.. but mainstream people who buy iPod for their kids and MacBooks when they go to college are NOT presently associating Amazon with this. Also not saying they 'never' will but that at present, they are not.

That's funny. I don't know anyone who doesn't. I don't work in the tech industry, my place of work consists primarily of 40 and 50 somethings. Most of the people are more technically sophisticated than the typical users, who use Amazon for almost everything. Electronics, music etc. I don't think most people would give a second thought to purchasing things from Amazon.

It's going to be well marketed because, when people go to buy other things the digital storage store will be out in front of them. Then there are all of those people using Android where this is a rather natural fit. By the way I'm a former IOS user. I am still a Mac OS X user.
post #122 of 130
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Does this work in any local or server-side browser for Mobile Safari?

IN THE ARTICLE "Amazon Cloud Player is available either via the Web or on devices running Google's Android mobile operating system. The web player does not, however, support Apple's Mobile Safari on iOS devices."

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post #123 of 130
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

IN THE ARTICLE "Amazon Cloud Player is available either via the Web or on devices running Google's Android mobile operating system. The web player does not, however, support Apple's Mobile Safari on iOS devices."

1) That doesnt answer my question.

2) I answered it earlier today and responded with the results in thread.
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Ive tested the web player in Safari on Mac with iOS user agents, it plays fine. Ive tested in on an iPhone in Mobile Safari, Atomic Browser with non iOS user agents, and Cloud Browse, a server-side browser.

The only method for getting my music to play through Amazons locker was via a server-side browser. I do not think this is because of Flash or Java (though Flash is required for uploading files from a desktop browser) but from some other issue with standard webcode.

As I suspected and discoverd, its A) an artificial limitation designed to prevent Mobile Safari from using this service and B) possible to access and stream audio from an iDevice.
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post #124 of 130
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Are you saying that Amazon tried to get an App Store app approved but was denied?

If Amazon has an iOS app they probably only submitted it today so as not to tip off Apple about their plans. It will therefore be a few days before we hear if Apple approves it or not. However, from my reading of the appstore guidelines, Apple would probably reject such an app unless Amazon implemented in-app payments giving Apple 30% (which I really cannot see happening).

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon has built and submitted an app to force Apple to make a decision. And if Apple do block them, Amazon will complain to the DoJ or FTC or EU or someone.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) That doesnt answer my question.

2) I answered it earlier today and responded with the results in thread.


As I suspected and discoverd, its A) an artificial limitation designed to prevent Mobile Safari from using this service and B) possible to access and stream audio from an iDevice.

OMG, Amazon are evil controlling Hitler lunatics that are artificially putting limits on their services. They refuse to "play nice" with Apple on account of the arrogance. And evil.
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post #126 of 130
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

And when Apple announces an extremely similar service later this year, it will be the greatest thing in the world. Really, go look at any of the comment sections for any time where an Apple cloud music service is rumored. You won't see all the negative comments that Amazon's service is getting.

Maybe it doesn't interest you, but apparently a lot of Apple fans are interested in a similar service. Well, unless it's from Amazon; then it's automatically crap.

I really don't like the whole cloud idea from Amazon, Apple, Google or whomever. Putting my data in someone else's hands just doesn't appeal to me..

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post #127 of 130
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

If Amazon has an iOS app they probably only submitted it today so as not to tip off Apple about their plans. It will therefore be a few days before we hear if Apple approves it or not. However, from my reading of the appstore guidelines, Apple would probably reject such an app unless Amazon implemented in-app payments giving Apple 30% (which I really cannot see happening).

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon has built and submitted an app to force Apple to make a decision. And if Apple do block them, Amazon will complain to the DoJ or FTC or EU or someone.

Why would Apple deny an Amazon app? Apple would make more profit via Amazon's store @30% than they do with iTunes and Amazon would lose money paying 30% to Apple. Without in-app payments the app would violate Apple's TOS and with it Amazon loses money, so there will be no Amazon app for this cloud based system submitted.

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post #128 of 130
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

And when Apple announces an extremely similar service later this year, it will be the greatest thing in the world.

Maybe it will be. From what I’ve seen so far Amazon’s service isn’t too far from what Apple has offered for years with iDisk. They even have iDisk app for iDevices will pull media and play audio in the background using the iOS 4.x backgrounding APIs, as noted in the article.

That’s not to say that iDisk is great. Far from it. It’s also not free but part of a paid service that has many great functions, the least of which I’s say is iDisk. Personally I don’t use iDisk. It’s been slow, WebDAV and FTP support from my Mac has been unreliable, as well as inconvenient if your transfer stops for whatever reason therefore requiring you to restart an up/download from scratch.

What I expected from Amazon’s Cloud Drive is something more akin to Dropbox, a service I absolutely love. Cloud Drive doesn’t seem to work like that thought they do use Amazon’s S3 service. This bests sums up the benefits of Dropbox as the future of cloud storage.
While Dropbox functions as a storage service, its focus is on synchronization and sharing. It supports revision history, so files deleted from the Dropbox folder may be recovered from any of the synced computers. Dropbox's version control also helps users know the history of a file they may be currently working on, enabling more than one person to edit and re-post files without complications of losing its previous form. […]

The version history is paired with the use of delta encoding technology. To conserve bandwidth and time, if a file in a user's Dropbox folder is changed, Dropbox only uploads the pieces of the file that are changed when syncing.
That’s brilliant! I am manually backing up my Notes in Mail because syncing between my Mac and iDevices will sporadically delete a note when I edit it. This is a known issue with no known pattern or resolution. It would be great if I could access previous edits of my Notes or any other files so I can restore them as needed. Of course you also need a way to permanently delete them, too. Dropbox offers this option as well. I don’t see this option on Amazon’s service and hope this is part of Apple’s cloud service.

I tested Amazon’s Cloud Drive today to find out two important things.
  1. If a file already exists on their servers will it re-upload that file again or just update my Cloud Drive file list and show a link to the file almost instantly, like Dropbox?
  2. Will it allow me to change a small portion of a large file but only upload the changes?
No and No. With the 1st item I uploaded a song to my account last night, then today I Dropboxed that exact file to a friend and asked him to see if the progress bar uploads it to his account in the normal manner or it was nearly instantaneous like with Dropbox when a file already exists. It did a fresh upload without checking the file’s contents.

Then I uploaded that exact file again to my account in the same folder and it still did a fresh upload. That’s not an intelligent system, not to mention it’s not seamless the way Dropbox and iDisk works by using folders in Finder (or the website).

For the 2nd query I wasn’t confident since the first one didn’t work, but I checked just to be sure. I grabbed a 2MB Excel file, uploaded it, changed the local file a little (deleted about 20 rows of data), and then uploaded the file again. It did the full the upload; there is no delta encoding.

Apple uses something like that with their Time Machine backups (and possibly now with their Mac OS X “Lion” Local Snapshots), so I hope they are making whatever technology they use for this part of their cloud service. If not, then it too will missing a feature in which Dropbox excels.

In conclusion, Dropbox is still the [I] greatest service in the world [/I ] with no major equal. Apple has all the ethnology and a lot more money to make their service better than Dropbox, not to mention a better OS-based interaction with the service but we still don’t know how it will fair.


PS: I don’t think it’s fair to say that because it’s from Apple it will be deemed the “greatest thing in the world” by Apple customers. I don’t recall anyone thinking iDisk was great because it’s an Apple service.


edit: This has only evaluated the storage system, not the ability to stream media as I do not have an Android phone to test it. I have tested it from my desktop browser and saw nothing unique to make me want to use this product in that manner.
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post #129 of 130
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

Why would Apple deny an Amazon app? Apple would make more profit via Amazon's store @30% than they do with iTunes and Amazon would lose money paying 30% to Apple. Without in-app payments the app would violate Apple's TOS and with it Amazon loses money, so there will be no Amazon app for this cloud based system submitted.

I could see Amazon submitting an app that does not use Apple's in-app payment system (ie create an app in full violation of Apple's TOS). When Apple rejects the app, Amazon goes on the PR campaign whilst complaining to governments that Apple is abusing its market position.

For Amazon, forcing Apple to open up the iOS platform is worth a lot more than the programming time to create an app that has little chance of being approved.
post #130 of 130
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Originally Posted by nim81 View Post

I just don't think this - or any similar offering from Apple - is going to work out for a few years.

It would be great to be able to stream your music collection on the move and avoid the need for large capacity phones, but the infrastructure just isn't there with the phone networks.

I can barely listen to a low-quality internet radio station on the way to work without it continually buffering every few minutes, so I don't fancy entrusting my MP3 collection into the cloud.

This sort of service is probably the future, but to be honest I think we're still 5 years away from it being a realistic proposition. Given how poor the coverage of 3G still is outside of urban areas, you'd have to hope that the introduction of 4G networks is a lot more widespread for any cloud based mobile services to take off.

I thought so
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