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post #81 of 130
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

Apple have been sitting on their asses with lala, the nc data center and mobileme. Amidst rumors of free mm and retraction of mm retail boxes, we are paying a pretty hefty s.

Right...
Apple has invested millions in this project precisely because they intend to 'sit on their asses', and are totally clueless.
Or, maybe its because they intend to launch successfully and are taking whatever time is necessary to assure that, instead of launching to glitches and the inevitable barrage of criticism.
hmmm?
post #82 of 130
The reason apple has not done anything yet, is because it's not as easy as people think. They're not going to damage their brand by releasing some crappy service. This amazon service will probably be the equivalent of watching movies on YouTube. When apple does introduce a cloud based service it will be a far superior service.
post #83 of 130
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Originally Posted by kfury77 View Post

You don't think Apple will have something very similar? It's there to stop end-users abusing the system. Uploading illegal content and sharing the links with others and streaming non-stop 24/7. If you are using the system "normally" then you won't run into any trouble.

I'm sure that Apple will (actually does) have something similar. The Mobile Me agreement has similar terms, but not quite as egregious. The Amazon terms are particularly bad. They basically have full access to anything you upload whenever they decide it is OK, make no guarantees of any kind, offer no SLAs, can discontinue your service at any time, and if they do, they will not refund any of your money. All of this for a service that can cost as much as $1,000 per year.
post #84 of 130
Day 1: Mac users will take their 5 GBs from Amazon and buy an album to qualify for their 20 GBs. They'll upload their albums (and other data, as more than music is permitted) as a form of backup. If they're an Android users, some of them may use it as a music player (FWIW on an ethernet-connect Mac, the player has to buffer for 6-10 seconds between songs - annoying); Apple users might use it out of curiosity.

Day 60: Apple will announce a MobileMe-based cloud player that's better integrated with Apple devices and all the curious will move to their model.

As people have mentioned, this is about having the best non-wired access to content that's already been paid for. The lag between songs indicates to me that they haven't quite nailed the streaming thing yet, but I for one appreciate Bezos spurring Apple and others to compete. As much as I'd like to think that Apple will innovate regardless of the competitive environment, a little added incentive never hurts.
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post #85 of 130
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The reason apple has not done anything yet, is because it's not as easy as people think. They're not going to damage their brand by releasing some crappy service. This amazon service will probably be the equivalent of watching movies on YouTube. When apple does introduce a cloud based service it will be a far superior service.

That's a lot of faith in a company that's released shonky services like iWork.com or Ping! Even iDisk is a bit clunky compared to the likes of Dropbox.

I love the design of Apple's products and OSs, but I'm far from the only one that finds their online services lacking. I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more than a "hobby" service for a while...
post #86 of 130
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Originally Posted by nim81 View Post

What's going to happen to peoples content that have paid for this service if it fails in a year or two due to lack of take-up? Hasn't this already happened with one of Microsoft's cloud-based services?

I would assume the companies would send out an e-mail notifying the users of the coming shutdown of the service and allow them plenty of time to move whatever they have stored in the cloud to an offline source.

If you don't act on it, then it's your loss, not theirs.
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post #87 of 130
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Not sure what you mean. I'm not a Mac guy. But TechCrunch reported it not work with iOS. Can't play music. (also can't upload because of Flash)

I mean, can you stream your media from the locker on Safari on an iOS device, from a 3rd-aprty browser that uses the Mobile Safari framework, or a server-side 3rd-party browser like Opera? IOW, are there work arounds to get iOS access of this Amazon service?
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post #88 of 130
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Originally Posted by TalkingNewMedia View Post

Have to politely disagree with you there: it is about sales. No one will create one of these services out of the goodness of their heart. The idea will be that by giving away a storage option the user will use the online store of their storage provider -- in this case, Amazon.

Will this be a good strategy? You tell me. I'm an old guy compared to many of you, so I'm skeptical about introducing a third party into things. I use AirPlay . . . a lot, as well as Remote. But a cloud service?

But many you -- that is, younger people -- may not feel that way, and don't mind having your music and video tied to a cloud environment. You tell me.

All I know is that the first time the cloud service was down for any reason when I wanted to use it I would be livid. The acceptable error rate for a business like this is zero.

It might be about sales -- but that's from a purely Amazon perspective. The viewpoint of the user is that they still own their music, but now have more access options.

Obviously Amazon's intent is that the additional value add from the Cloud services will encourage you to buy your music from them.

From Apple's perspective, a similar cloud offering will presumably only be accessible by iTunes and iOS devices -- thus selling more devices (and music -- but Apple only really sells the music to sell devices).
post #89 of 130
Amazon in the span of 2 months has become the #1 competitor to Apple's business model. They've completely hijacked Android away from Google. It's phenomenal to watch.

Amazon has become Android's iTunes / Appstore. Amazing. The transition isn't complete yet, but with millions of credit cards on file with Amazon, and Amazon selling books, music, newspapers, applications, cloud storage service, etc... Google has just overcome a major hurdle and competitive advantage that Apple once held by themselves.

I'm not sure of the direction that Microsoft, RIM, and HP will have to compensate in this area, but I'm sure Amazon might look for ways of bringing those platforms under their marketplace umbrella. (Though they should try to perfect the Android side of things first before they expand.)
post #90 of 130
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

I don't know what Amazon is doing nor what Apple is planning, but I agree in general. Streaming your own content is no go for most of the world, for smartphones and tablets. 3G cannot handle it. WiFi at home... maybe, depending on the service. The demand for bandwidth is insatiable.

What *is* important though is to be able to get your songs from anywhere onto your device wirelessly. Like DropBox.

That is, streaming is less important than SYNCING.

It looks like songs are automatically cached on the Android player so bandwidth might not be too bad. Any songs you regularly listen to are really being played from the local cache. It is just the stuff you don't listen to regularly that has to stream.
post #91 of 130
What about ISPs now doing their best to limit bandwidth and charging more money for the people who are heavy data users? This is a real problem that will get worse with time.

I don't know how much bandwidth I use but I know it must be plenty. My computer is on 24/7 and streaming internet radio all the time. When the radio isn't playing I'm listening to conference calls or using Skype to make telephone calls. I'm a Netflix subscriber too.

Is there a program out there that I can download to tell me just how much bandwidth I'm using? I'll want one to monitor my usage whenever the day comes that my ISP puts a cap on my usage.

Streaming your own music seems like a great idea. The thing is that if you have an iPod why do you need to stream your music? Is cloud storage so much better than carrying around a device that weighs almost nothing that you'd want it? You don't need to make any service agreements with your own iPod. Right now a small iPod could hold enough MP3 music to last you a week without hearing the same song twice.

Having online storage is a good idea in case you loose your music device. Use the cloud for that. Streaming just uses your bandwidth and could one day add to your monthly bills.
post #92 of 130
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Originally Posted by MacRR View Post

um... I'm not about to read the entire agreements of this BS.. but given what the OP outlined, and what you outlined.. I think you missed the real takeaway... apple clearly outlines reasonable expectations while protecting themselves.

Amazon is basically saying they don;t even secure anything and if it gets stolen by hackers it isn't on them along with having a metric.. that any user that actually uses their services more than an average will get booted... pfft!


that shit is born to lose.

Yea, anything that the rest of the world does is Fscked up in a fanboys eyes. Quit drinking koolaid loser.
post #93 of 130
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Well apart from Apple announcing iTools in 2000, that is.

Cloud streaming service, Apple has had it for years, I can drop music into my iDisk and play it from the iDisk App on my iPhone or iPad.

It's like Apple TV a "hobby" Apple has been dabbling in for years.

What Amazon is "introducing" isn't greatly different to iDisk.

Of course Apple invented everything. Thanks for reminding us. I like how Apple Fanboys only go back far enough to give Apple the credit. Go back a little further and see who really pioneered it. Fanbois = Fail
post #94 of 130
With all this trust going to the many "cloud" services out there (Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc...) I am curious when its going to turn back around. Although I do use some of these services, I would like it if it were under MY control, not some weirdly written TOS with my files and data on some server in a warehouse.

I have my own server at home on an always on internet connection (minus the times my ISP drops the ball). So, why not utilize it as my "cloud", and stream video, music, use it as a dropbox, personal social networking for just my own friends, etc... Nothing is stopping this, yet I see so few products out there. I would think Apple, espeically with their Mac Mini Server, iWork Suite, Mobile Me, iTunes, AirPlay, iChat Server, Mail Server, etc, would be able to build a really awesome "iCloud" that stays at your house, under your control.

Thoughts?
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post #95 of 130
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Originally Posted by camroidv27 View Post

With all this trust going to the many "cloud" services out there (Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, etc...) I am curious when its going to turn back around. Although I do use some of these services, I would like it if it were under MY control, not some weirdly written TOS.

I have my own server at home on an always on internet connection (minus the times my ISP drops the ball). So, why not utilize it as my "cloud", and stream video, music, use it as a dropbox, personal social networking for just my own friends, etc... Nothing is stopping this, yet I see so few products out there. I would think Apple, espeically with their Mac Mini Server, iWork Suite, Mobile Me, iTunes, AirPlay, iChat Server, Mail Server, etc, would be able to build a really awesome "iCloud" that stays at your house, under your control.

Thoughts?

99.999% of people out there don't want to run their own server, manage it or pay the ridiculous electric bills that will come with it
post #96 of 130
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Originally Posted by tlevier View Post

Amazon in the span of 2 months has become the #1 competitor to Apple's business model. They've completely hijacked Android away from Google. It's phenomenal to watch.

Amazon has become Android's iTunes / Appstore. Amazing. The transition isn't complete yet, but with millions of credit cards on file with Amazon, and Amazon selling books, music, newspapers, applications, cloud storage service, etc... Google has just overcome a major hurdle and competitive advantage that Apple once held by themselves.

I'm not sure of the direction that Microsoft, RIM, and HP will have to compensate in this area, but I'm sure Amazon might look for ways of bringing those platforms under their marketplace umbrella. (Though they should try to perfect the Android side of things first before they expand.)

wouldn't surprise me if google lets them have the android market flat out. with google concentrating on advertising, search and metrics i don't think they want to maintain the market.
post #97 of 130
Amazon is on his way to become the itune of the Android market. Apps, books, music, tv, movies. Not a bad idea imo.

now all they have to do is fight in court to be allowed on iOS and its total ownage. imo Apple is abusing is monopoly on iOS so they deserve a spank.
post #98 of 130
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

99.999% of people out there don't want to run their own server, manage it or pay the ridiculous electric bills that will come with it

The Mac Mini (according to Apple), is a very efficient machine, that cannot exceed 85W due to its power supply. Most of the time, it will sit idle, using 1/4 the energy of a 40W bulb.

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Mac mini is a great example of Apple’s energy-efficient design philosophy. It uses less than 10 watts of power when idle — a 25 percent reduction from the previous generation. That’s something no other desktop computer can do.

As for people not wanting to run their own server, I can understand that. It sounds scary, intimidating, and only for the geeky. Apple is KING of marketing, with the "It just works" mentality with their computers and devices. They could make the whole server thing very easy to setup and use for regular people. You could even buy "iCloud Apps" that install with one click on your server, that you then can use anywhere in the world using just a browser. I think Apple could make it that easy. Remember when having a smartphone was only for the business-minded? Now I see 5 year olds with their own iPhones.
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post #99 of 130
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

Amazon is on his way to become the itune of the Android market. Apps, books, music, tv, movies. Not a bad idea imo.

now all they have to do is fight in court to be allowed on iOS and its total ownage. imo Apple is abusing is monopoly on iOS so they deserve a spank.

It's already allowed (through mobile safari). You probably should argue how Apple needs to allow sideloading of apps instead of emotional statements like "deserve a spank".
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

It's already allowed (through mobile safari). You probably should argue how Apple needs to allow sideloading of apps instead of emotional statements like "deserve a spank".

its more a joke than being emotionnal... if Amazon can allow its full services within safari they its Ok, but I dont see how you can saved data for offline used without an app. The rule on pricing and in app purchased by Apple are clearly an abuse of there monopoly, you are at a point where Apple wants to control pricing even outside there ecosystem. This cant be alllowed, but I am pretty sure the FTC is going to make a move on this pretty soon.
post #101 of 130
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Originally Posted by TalkingNewMedia View Post

Have to politely disagree with you there: it is about sales. No one will create one of these services out of the goodness of their heart. The idea will be that by giving away a storage option the user will use the online store of their storage provider -- in this case, Amazon.

Will this be a good strategy? You tell me. I'm an old guy compared to many of you, so I'm skeptical about introducing a third party into things. I use AirPlay . . . a lot, as well as Remote. But a cloud service?

But many you -- that is, younger people -- may not feel that way, and don't mind having your music and video tied to a cloud environment. You tell me.

All I know is that the first time the cloud service was down for any reason when I wanted to use it I would be livid. The acceptable error rate for a business like this is zero.

Your music is tied to the cloud environment, unless you choose to have it done that way. The way I have it structured is that when I buy an MP3 from Amazon that it will store to the cloud and download the MP3 to my mac or my Android device (depending which one I'm using). So in essence it provides an offsite backup and a download at the same time. In addition, it allows me to reduce the number of songs on my Android devices so that I have more space if I need it, because if there is a song that I decide I want to listen to, I can quickly re-download it from the cloud.

I like the flexibility.
post #102 of 130
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Originally Posted by kilimanjaro View Post

Yeah, but Amazon stole the thunder from Apple..

Apple has been successfully took our feet off the ground with its recent keynotes and products, I was really hoping that Apple would have been the first to pioneer this could-based service.. Now the credit will go to Amazon, damn you Amazon..

MobileMe through iDisk has this concept long before Amazon crafted theirs.

Amazon will still need devices/users to run their cloud initiative. Apple has millions of iOS users waiting in the wings that in a heartbeat would jump to MobileMe platform once the music streaming service gets enabled.

Don't worry Apple does EVERYTHING better. Just wait. Remember multi-tasking?
post #103 of 130
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Originally Posted by pmoeser View Post

They somehow seem to think that by agreeing to streaming music terms with another Apple competitor it will loosen Apple's "stranglehold" on their industry. It worked so well for them offering DRM free music once before...

What they have done is ensure that the whatever-million number of iOS users can't give them any money

How happy are the artists they "represent" with this decision?

Frankly, I don't care for streaming. All I want to be able to do is to access my music like I can access my Apps. If it's not on my device when I leave home, I can simply download it again as I have already paid for it

What really ticks me off about the deals the media companies make with Amazon is that they won't ever give Apple the same deal.

They've backed away from giving Apple streaming rights because they think people would abuse it, yet they give those rights to Amazon and some startups.

They won't give apple the rights to stream movies because they are afraid people would abuse them, but they give those rights to Netflix.

They won't give Apple the rights to let users keep an online vault of their music because they are afraid that people would abuse it, yet they give those rights to Amazon.

Also, Apple will probably *not* let you store music or movies in the cloud that you didn't purchase from them legally, but Amazon is somehow allowed to just let people put whatever the heck they want up there. Apple has built the most successful, respectable online music and movie service bar none, but the industry still treats them, and all the iTunes users like criminals while giving Amazon and their customers insider deals and special privileges.

It's such an obviously corrupt system it's just laughable.
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Originally Posted by Andykemp View Post

Of course Apple invented everything. Thanks for reminding us. I like how Apple Fanboys only go back far enough to give Apple the credit. Go back a little further and see who really pioneered it. Fanbois = Fail

Where did I say Apple "invented" it?

Had it and invented it are two different things.
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Am I the only one who thinks that the fact that you can't use this service on iOS has more to do with Apple than it does with Amazon? (Remember lala.com?)
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Am I the only one who thinks that the fact that you can't use this service on iOS has more to do with Apple than it does with Amazon? (Remember lala.com?)

For people outside the USA it's definitely due to Amazon.
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For people outside the USA it's definitely due to Amazon.

I think any discussion of what's going on (or not) outside the USA is kind of moot at this stage, since this service isn't offered *at all* outside the USA as of today. I can't imagine why Amazon wouldn't want millions of iPod/iPhone users buying music from them...
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Yea, anything that the rest of the world does is Fscked up in a fanboys eyes. Quit drinking koolaid loser.

So you can't read?

Sorry fool.. Your mom needs you to come upstairs and take out the garbage.

Scoot along...
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Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

its more a joke than being emotionnal... if Amazon can allow its full services within safari they its Ok, but I dont see how you can saved data for offline used without an app. The rule on pricing and in app purchased by Apple are clearly an abuse of there monopoly, you are at a point where Apple wants to control pricing even outside there ecosystem. This cant be alllowed, but I am pretty sure the FTC is going to make a move on this pretty soon.

It's a streaming service, why would you need to save data to your mobile device for offline use?

As for the old news on subscription etc, as I've said before it's all about sideloading of apps not being allowed, if you allow sideloading just like Android, you can do whatever you want outside of Apple's App Store. I doubt Amazon would do it but Amazon could currently just load an app to Cydia and call it a day.
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Originally Posted by jcgarza View Post

Am I the only one who thinks that the fact that you can't use this service on iOS has more to do with Apple than it does with Amazon? (Remember lala.com?)

1) Youre saying that Amazon was unable to create a native app like they did for Android?

2) Ive tested the web player in Safari on Mac with iOS user agents, it plays fine. Ive tested in on an iPhone in Mobile Safari, Atomic Browser with non iOS user agents, and Cloud Browse, a server-side browser.

The only method for getting my music to play through Amazons locker was via a server-side browser. I do not think this is because of Flash or Java (though Flash is required for uploading files from a desktop browser) but from some other issue with standard webcode.
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Originally Posted by drobforever View Post

It's a streaming service, why would you need to save data to your mobile device for offline use?

As for the old news on subscription etc, as I've said before it's all about sideloading of apps not being allowed, if you allow sideloading just like Android, you can do whatever you want outside of Apple's App Store. I doubt Amazon would do it but Amazon could currently just load an app to Cydia and call it a day.

Are you saying that Amazon tried to get an App Store app approved but was denied?
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So you can't read?

Sorry fool.. Your mom needs you to come upstairs and take out the garbage.

Scoot along...

Doesn't look like you took the time to read it either from what you said in your original post. Hypocrite! Now go crawl back under your rock troll.
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One of the things that easy to overlook about Amazon is their ability to advertise their own products on their site VERY prominently. Apple has to pay millions (billions?) on ad buys while Amazon gets millions of free eyeballs every day hitting their home page. Anything Amazon releases and feature on their home page with a "letter" from Bezos gains instant mind-share and credibility. That'll make them a tough competitor.
post #114 of 130
I'm not so sure I am ready for this.. so how is a 'normal' consumer going to feel about all this?

They would need an app which comes down from their site (seamlessly) copies all your stuff up to the cloud. iTunes-ifies it. (tags etc>). Then it would need to be loaded on your device, logged in, and somehow weaning you off of your iPod/iPad/iPhone apps for media.

That's a tall order for a company who has no desktop application presence. (for either platform)
Minimal mobile device presence, and no mindshare.

Amazon is book store. Everyone knows that. You buy media and crap from them. To re-invent themselves they'd need a trojan horse like iTunes. iPod etc. I don't see this happening.

Niche service, niche crowd, no profitability, rampant abuse.

If I were playing that hand of cards, I'd fold.
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post #115 of 130
Yuppie, cloud-based service! Perfectly aligned with AT&T's decision to cap their DSL/Uverse service...
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I'm not so sure I am ready for this.. so how is a 'normal' consumer going to feel about all this?

They would need an app which comes down from their site (seamlessly) copies all your stuff up to the cloud. iTunes-ifies it. (tags etc>). Then it would need to be loaded on your device, logged in, and somehow weaning you off of your iPod/iPad/iPhone apps for media.

That's a tall order for a company who has no desktop application presence. (for either platform)
Minimal mobile device presence, and no mindshare.

Amazon is book store. Everyone knows that. You buy media and crap from them. To re-invent themselves they'd need a trojan horse like iTunes. iPod etc. I don't see this happening.

Niche service, niche crowd, no profitability, rampant abuse.

If I were playing that hand of cards, I'd fold.

You're kidding right. Amazon is just a book store. That's kind of funny. What Amazon brings to the table is a rather simple way to upload your content (yes there's an android app for that), including your existing playlists and put it on the cloud, all in essentially one step. Even easier is that when you buy an MP3 from them, you can have it automatically put it in your locker AND download it to your device. It's simple and it's easy. No Geek degree necessary.

Consumers have for a long time considered Amazon as something more than just a book store.
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Doesn't look like you took the time to read it either from what you said in your original post. Hypocrite! Now go crawl back under your rock troll.


But I did. And I have mad reading comprehension. You come off mentally challenged as it is....


Poor guy..
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Originally Posted by Rigelian View Post

You're kidding right. Amazon is just a book store. That's kind of funny. What Amazon brings to the table is a rather simple way to upload your content (yes there's an android app for that), including your existing playlists and put it on the cloud, all in essentially one step. Even easier is that when you buy an MP3 from them, you can have it automatically put it in your locker AND download it to your device. It's simple and it's easy. No Geek degree necessary.

Consumers have for a long time considered Amazon as something more than just a book store.

No, not kidding at all. I may not be a super-mover-and shaker but I'm no digital slouch. I don't know of a single person (in my workplace, family, or friends) which use amazon for any of these things. Amazon's reputation in the eyes of 90% of consumers is an online version of MediaPlay. Their server leasing business, cloud service and electronic marketplace is still a niche product.

And for no geek degree.. not so sure. If you are an iOS user.. you aren't even a target customer. My own android phone has never seen a single online media purchase. I still sync it with a PC based library (raided from my Mac). Not saying there aren't users of these services.. but mainstream people who buy iPod for their kids and MacBooks when they go to college are NOT presently associating Amazon with this. Also not saying they 'never' will but that at present, they are not.
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I don't agree with your comments. If Apple are delaying their entry to the "cloud" its for a good reason, while others go running in without looking ahead. Akin to a swimmer diving into a river that they have never swum in before, beware of trees and rocks etc.
Apple building the NC data centre is not to store tobacco from the NC harvest, its there for a reason. Its like a jigsaw puzzle, just wait and see how Apple slots all the pieces together, in the correct manner, unlike it's clueless competitors.

I don't disagree with this as an eventuality, let's see what they come up with, and it better be soon, and then we can talk.

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Right...
Apple has invested millions in this project precisely because they intend to 'sit on their asses', and are totally clueless.
Or, maybe its because they intend to launch successfully and are taking whatever time is necessary to assure that, instead of launching to glitches and the inevitable barrage of criticism.
hmmm?

you know what I am talking about, don't misconstrue what I said. They have indeed been sitting on their asses with both mm and lala, products that on one hand have failed to really evolved (the former) and others that have failed to find a place in apple's strategy (the latter). If anyone can claim any area of apple these days that is lagging wrt their other areas of interest, that is the cloud and wireless syncing. Apple is incomparable in the tech in so many areas, but this one, where they are, at best pricy and average.
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Originally Posted by tlevier View Post

Amazon in the span of 2 months has become the #1 competitor to Apple's business model. They've completely hijacked Android away from Google. It's phenomenal to watch.

Amazon has become Android's iTunes / Appstore. Amazing. The transition isn't complete yet, but with millions of credit cards on file with Amazon, and Amazon selling books, music, newspapers, applications, cloud storage service, etc... Google has just overcome a major hurdle and competitive advantage that Apple once held by themselves.

I'm not sure of the direction that Microsoft, RIM, and HP will have to compensate in this area, but I'm sure Amazon might look for ways of bringing those platforms under their marketplace umbrella. (Though they should try to perfect the Android side of things first before they expand.)

excellent post, very perceptive. Amazon has indeed made a very sharp positioning of it's services with their android placement. But I don't think this means power to google necessarily, it just means extra effort for apple who now faces competitors who are either aligned (google and "google's" manufacturers of hardware) or symbiotic (amazon and google). Apple has the upper hand here, but in the coming months they need to do 1,2,3 strategic moves to assure it for the coming few years. It' ll be fun to watch.
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