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post #41 of 144
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

No, it's more like "I can't fucking tell them the exact number of apps android has, 'coz they will find one or two more and then say in all newspapers that I am a liar, that once again big Steve is distorting reality, instead of focusing on the iPad.... ok, I'll give'em a hundred and they will fucking shut up 'coz if they don't someone will figure out they actually have ten or less and that will be fucking embarrassing for them.... twice. Heheh, they are SOOOO burned"

Ha! So true!

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post #42 of 144
This just proves how much Apple lies about everything.
post #43 of 144
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Originally Posted by guch20 View Post

This just proves how much Apple lies about everything.

Wow! Even though Jobs was so gracious he didn't want to put Android down.
post #44 of 144
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Originally Posted by dish View Post

Actually I think you've got it backwards. It would be best to focus on the Honeycomb tablet right now while there are very few apps, that way your app has more chance of being noticed.

If you're right... then every Honeycomb developer is doing it wrong.

I see what you're saying about the noticing your app, though. But, if you spend 500 hours developing an app... you really wanna sell that thing.

Right now... there aren't enough Honeycomb tablets out there... which translates into fewer potential customers.

However, there are plenty of iPad owners out there. If you make a great iPad app... it will get noticed eventually.

You'll still sell more iPads apps even if they are buried in the App Store... than you will if you were the only Honeycomb app in the Marketplace.
post #45 of 144
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Originally Posted by nkalu View Post

What about Samsung tablets, Dell tablet, and many more from other makers?

What about them? There are plenty of Honeycomb tablets "coming soon"

While Apple is already on their 2nd iPad...
post #46 of 144
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

You're counting EACH BOOK as a separate APP? So should Apple add iBooks, Amazon's, B&N, and the lesser bookstores entire catalogs to their app count?

66 is, indeed, more than 20, but the author was asserting that in order for an app to qualify as a tablet app it had to be more than simply a phone app rendered bigger. I'm sure some of the tens of thousands of iPad-specific apps in Apple's store are just upconverted iPhone conten

Err...the poster did say that is how Apple counts it's apps. I have absolutely no idea if the poster is correct or not but if the poster IS correct, than I see no problem in the count (even though I believe e-books shouldn't be counted).
post #47 of 144
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Originally Posted by peppermonkey View Post

Err...the poster did say that is how Apple counts it's apps. I have absolutely no idea if the poster is correct or not but if the poster IS correct, than I see no problem in the count (even though I believe e-books shouldn't be counted).

Even if he is correct, he does not say how many of the 65000 iPad apps are books. I very highly doubt the same proportion as his Android tablet numbers. Even if 15000 are books that would still be 66 against 50000 for Android tablet vs. iPad apps.
post #48 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.

I will be a little more giving to the iFan's. I predict Android apps will pass the iPhone in 2012, not in 2011 Of course sales have already suprassed the iOS phones.

A year from now there will be a dozen good Andriod tablets running Honeycomb + and probably for cheaper than the iPad. Again I predict the iPad will drop to number 2 and do so faster than the iPhone did.

Maybe Dan can spin some shiiiiite on that day for the iFan's so they wont feel so bad?? His drible is the best in the iFan blog world when it comes to the pure waste of electrons.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

You're having to count books as apps to pad your numbers and you want to talk about reality?

Fandroids are funny.

Well then under your same statement.

iOS has less than 300K apps.

Look at: http://148apps.biz/app-store-metrics/

Here is the iOS Total

COUNT OF ACTIVE APPLICATIONS IN THE APP STORE [DETAILS]

Total Active Apps (currently available for download): 369,469
Total Inactive Apps (no longer available for download): 81,348
Total Apps Seen in US App Store: 450,817
Number of Active Publishers in the US App Store: 77,945


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APPLICATION CATEGORY DISTRIBUTION [DETAILS]

Most Popular Categories
1 - Books (56409 active)
2 - Games (54203 active)
3 - Entertainment (40517 active)
4 - Education (30746 active)
5 - Lifestyle (27083 active)

Just using the same metrics used by iOS.
post #51 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

I agree that Apple counting book-apps is misleading. We should be comparing apps on each WITHOUT BOOKS.

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Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps

If you don't do anything to make an app work better on a tablet, how can it be claimed to be optimised for a tablet? Or are you saying apps made for the small screen work fine on the bigger one?

iPhone apps work on the iPad without any changes, but are nowhere near as good as a native app. Apple doesn't seem to be zooming up the high-res "retina" version of the app (just the standard version). And the iPad uses the iPhone keyboard (zoomed) rather than inserting the iPad keyboard. They could make the experience much better. Perhaps they're avoiding that to force developers to create an iPad specific interface?
post #52 of 144
Amazing how few apps they still have. I'd love to see someone with their brand new Xoom open their App Store for the first time.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

The spelling error aside, you really must have been dying to try and make use of such an unused word in the English Lexicon.

By the way, it's asymptotically. Unfortunately, you should actually be discussing the Limit of the market growth in apps being produced by Android because the horizontal axis is not that sexy of an asymptote.

Wow. We are all so impressed that you can actually spell 'asymptote!' Even 'asymptotically!'

Meanwhile, the rest of us illiterates were busy enjoying the actual meaning of the post.......
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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

You'll find this clown's picture in the dictionary, right next to 'Loser'.

And how I predicted Android would over take the iPhone when I was among the first 1000 to have a G1 in their hands.

The same way.. this rofl 'Loser' will be smiling at iOS and its fans.. (that includes you) when Android Tablets overwhelm iPads like Android phones are doing so with the iPhone.

If you guys haven't noticed. There are three reason why Apple will lose, that history has proven time and time again (BetaMax, Mac Computers. IBM Computers, are some Examples).

When a company wants total control it can't compete against an open system. This is a proven fact over time. Yes, they will be relevant for a while, but in the long run both Technology and Marketshare depress their market.

iOS devices have the following going against them:

a) Apple Dictatorship
b) Closed System
c) Too long of a development cycle (one year compared to 4 months for Android Hardwarewise)
d) History
e) Price

And its not the best phone out there. Actually Mobiado carries the BEST phone to date, the ctp002 and its Android.

http://tech2.in.com/news/mobile-phon...android/209582

Give it another three years and Ill be back to smile on you guys like I have done so with the G1.
post #56 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.

Really? Sales volume in the iOS App Store is measured in billions and in the Android Marketplace may be happy to get into the 10s of millions this year.. Don't let reality get in your way.

PS the G1 is not even a blip on the cell phone market and the iPhone 4 is the #1 handset (not just smart phone) in the world.. I did not bother to look but I doubt anything else you said was true either. It sure as hell did not make any sense.
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

"When will then be now? ...Soon."

Am I just reaching here, or is this a M*A*S*H reference?
post #58 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

And how I predicted Android would over take the iPhone when I was among the first 1000 to have a G1 in their hands.

The same way.. this rofl 'Loser' will be smiling at iOS and its fans.. (that includes you) when Android Tablets overwhelm iPads like Android phones are doing so with the iPhone.

If you guys haven't noticed. There are three reason why Apple will lose, that history has proven time and time again (BetaMax, Mac Computers. IBM Computers, are some Examples).

When a company wants total control it can't compete against an open system. This is a proven fact over time. Yes, they will be relevant for a while, but in the long run both Technology and Marketshare depress their market.

iOS devices have the following going against them:

a) Apple Dictatorship
b) Closed System
c) Too long of a development cycle (one year compared to 4 months for Android Hardwarewise)
d) History
e) Price

And its not the best phone out there. Actually Mobiado carries the BEST phone to date, the ctp002 and its Android.

http://tech2.in.com/news/mobile-phon...android/209582

Give it another three years and Ill be back to smile on you guys like I have done so with the G1.

Apple is losingg? They will be the highest revenue phone manufacturer and most profitable phone manufacturer in 2011. They will also be the most profitable computer manufacturer and highest revenue/most profitable tablet manufacture in 2011. You live in a much different world from the rest of us. The number of Android devices swelled because carriers gave them away. Developers did not bite because there is no way for them to monetize apps on Android.

Building market share by giving away devices is ot winning, it is despite, and it is failing.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

If you're right... then every Honeycomb developer is doing it wrong.

I see what you're saying about the noticing your app, though. But, if you spend 500 hours developing an app... you really wanna sell that thing.

Right now... there aren't enough Honeycomb tablets out there... which translates into fewer potential customers.

However, there are plenty of iPad owners out there. If you make a great iPad app... it will get noticed eventually.

You'll still sell more iPads apps even if they are buried in the App Store... than you will if you were the only Honeycomb app in the Marketplace.

Thats just it, I think you will sell more apps if you are 1 of 17 and have only a couple 100,000 users that are likely to see your app at around 100% certainty than being 1 of 350,000....but it really depends on the app. Obviously if you are selling the next angry birds blockbuster then being in the iOS market would be more lucrative. But right now if you can make a have decent app that is USEFUL and not very niche, then being in the android market is going to get you big sales....Id be happy selling 100,000 copies at 99 cents. versus competing with the app tonnage in the iOS market selling maybe 10 per day....but it's all moot really, because right now android users don't pay.
post #60 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.

STFU, you freaking idiot. dont talk when you dont even have a Xoom
go look at here how the app for android that scale up for Xoom, how is that work out for that Honey Beta Xoom
Xoom + HoneyComb = crap beta tablet.
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

And how I predicted Android would over take the iPhone when I was among the first 1000 to have a G1 in their hands.

And yet its Apple that is the most profitable handset maker in the world. Not HTC using their defunct handset that stopped being updated as of version 1.6. What did you get out of that, a year on your two year contract when it was just last year the original iPhone from 2007 was stopped being updated. Winner all the way¡


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iOS devices have the following going against them:

a) Apple Dictatorship
b) Closed System
c) Too long of a development cycle (one year compared to 4 months for Android Hardwarewise)
d) History
e) Price

A) Google Socialism
B) Honeycomb is closed
C) Not long enough in development so tablets like the Xoom are shipped incomplete with no drivers for HW and even missing parts that require it to be shipped back to the factory on your dime to be completed at an undisclosed date.
D) History of near bankruptcy and poor HW sales for vendors using Android as a last ditch effort, compared to Apples history of service, support and success in the handset market they couldnt possibly enter because it was so entrenched.
E) Price indeed! Apples EoS and efficiency R&D keeps competitors at the same price for the most comparable HW and yet poor SW makes it perform and feel considerably slower than the iOS-based devices.

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And its not the best phone out there. Actually Mobiado carries the BEST phone to date, the ctp002 and its Android.

http://tech2.in.com/news/mobile-phon...android/209582

Luxurious? hahaha Who cares what the HW or UI is like, as long you ignore functionality for a cheesy case and UI wrapper. Makes perfect sense¡

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Give it another three years and Ill be back to smile on you guys like I have done so with the G1.

Good luck with that.
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If you guys haven't noticed. There are three reason why Apple will lose,

If you're going to make a claim like that, you really need to define "winning" and "losing". To use an automotive analogy, Apple has a larger share of the PC market than Mercedes, Porsche, and BMW combined have of the auto market, but is anyone saying that those companies are "losing"? Likewise, Bentley produces fewer cars in a year than Honda does during the first shift on a slow Monday, but do you think that fact bothers Bentley?

Apple may never have 80-90% market share in any of its markets, but I don't think that's a prerequisite for "winning". Frankly, I'd be happy to let the rest of the computer makers scramble for the bottom end of the market - there's no profit margin there anyway, and no chance to express the kind of engineering prowess that Apple puts into its machines. They may only have 10% of the overall market, but what's their share of the $1k+ machines, where the real money is being made?

Even though Apple may never dominate their market, they've still got the second or third-highest market cap of any public company in the world. Hell, their cash reserves alone are bigger than the market cap of most companies. And the trend has only been going up - care to explain to us how that's "losing"?
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

As long as Honeycomb has great full-power, easy-to-use tablet apps that can match the quality of GarageBand, iDraw, SketchBook, Numbers, Keynote, iTeleport, and a few hundred more of the very best, plus a couple thousand really good games to choose from (because we all want choice), who cares if Android tablets have less of the mediocre and poor apps?

So... how do these Honeycomb apps stack up with the best of iPad offerings? Are they good enough in the sense of marking a checklist (we have an app for that) or are they truly great?




It already has... someday in the future!

(That, quite literally, is the stance of all nine Android tablet zealots, and the most dedicated Android phone zealots too. The rest of us wait and see and hope for healthier competition to arrive some day. I think it might happen AND I think it could be from Android... but only if some big company takes Android and makes their own unique, incompatible, closed flavor of it, and manages to design it as well as Apple has. A tall order, but time is long!)

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Within 1 year Oracle will own Android.

... so there you go!

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post #64 of 144
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.

you r counting each book for the android as a book? the website you mention in your other post (http://148apps.biz/app-store-metrics/) mentions 56 409 books, but you misunderstood that count. the books is the app category, not how many books there are on the app store. they are not counting each book as a seperate app, they are counting the apps that relate to books...
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Originally Posted by mhikl View Post

Steve is just being kind. He knows from experience so understands what it is like to be an underdog so why kick Androidophiles when they are so far behind even if the dog doesn't have a hind leg to stand on. I am sure Droids get their fair share of time in his meditative thoughts. Release anger, hug your enemy and peace shall clear the mind. Something like that.

Yeah I do some light yoga and meditation from time to time, even so sometimes you just want to smash someone's face in... eg. these Android tablet fandroids. And some loser last night showing off his iPad 2 to me, which where I am is selling, if you can get them, for ridiculous prices. He only buys Apple stuff when he knows he can get it ahead of everyone else, hardly buys anything officially released, and obviously he got a white one to make it clear to everyone it's an iPad 2. Grrrr the worse kind if Apple "enthusiast".

I guess Steve might tell me "your holding [the posture] wrong". Yes I am envious and shallow at times.
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Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post

Am I just reaching here, or is this a M*A*S*H reference?

I think it's actually from "Spaceballs". It's the scene where the characters in the movie find a videotape of the movie itself and begin watching themselves in near-realtime.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Why wouldnt an Android dev not focus on Android-based tablets if they are the future and they are going to trounce Apple in the redefined category Apple created?

If we go back nearly a ¼ of a year to CES 2011 we see that there was a plethora of Honeycomb-based iPad-killers stating their impending reign in the tablet market. So what happened? Where are they?

PS: I forget who it was on this forum, but they claimed Apple would not be able to get a Cortex-A9-based chip ready for the iPad 2 release this early in the year. I recall them stating Apple simply wouldnt have the time to use ARMs reference designs and that their competitors would be overtaking the original iPad long before an iPad with a Cortex-A9 reference could be brought to market. Im still curious about that concept.

Good one! -- and you you know Apple is working on a Quad-Quad for the next iteration.

Very soon, this bastard device with an "improper OS" is going to be the "go-to" system for apps... if it hasn't already happened.

MSFT better get some apps (Word, Excel, PP) in the game or they will be listed among the "Also Rans".

I'm talkin' 2011 man!
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Don't you worry... it's going quite smooth...

Literally trying not to spew my tea all over the breakfast table here...
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.


Yeah, sure... where can I buy stock?

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Thats just it, I think you will sell more apps if you are 1 of 17 and have only a couple 100,000 users that are likely to see your app at around 100% certainty than being 1 of 350,000....but it really depends on the app.

If the only way you'll sell an app is to be 1 out of 17... then maybe your app isn't all that great.

Put your app out there... get it reviewed by websites and blogs... and make sure it's something people actually need. That's how you sell an app.

Developers aren't shying away from iOS because it's too big and they fear they won't get noticed... they go there because it's a huge opportunity.

Which is why I'm saying... no one is hopping on Honeycomb just yet... because there are no customers yet!
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

What about them? There are plenty of Honeycomb tablets "coming soon"

While Apple is already on their 2nd iPad...

But we have always had Android tablets, the so called "iPad killers" since last year. Those products seemed to have been rushed out too soon to compete with Apple's iPad without knowing the long term intentions for iPad. What did they make out of those tablets despite all the noise made about the openness of the Android platform?

Yes, Apple is already on iPad 2, and I bet they are already projecting beyond iPad 3 to iPad 4. They always plan ahead, and they think their projects through before rushing them out. That is why they have tremendous success with most of their products.
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Originally Posted by guch20 View Post

This just proves how much Apple lies about everything.

I agree! Bloody Jobs and his RDF, always exaggerating, and damn apple fanbois and their kool-aid!!1!
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Originally Posted by nkalu View Post

But we have always had Android tablets, the so called "iPad killers" since last year. Yes, Apple is already on iPad 2, and I bet they are already projecting beyond iPad 3 to iPad 4. They always plan ahead, and they think their projects through before rushing them out. That is why they have tremendous success with most of their products.

I agree with you... not sure why you're still trying to convince me.

No one is buying the Xoom... and the other Honeycomb tablets are still nowhere to be seen.

And that's why I said I'd rather make apps for the iPad instead of Honeycomb tablets.

The iPad is an established platform in their 2nd year... while Honeycomb is brand new.

I'm with you, man. Apple is rockin' it right now... they plan ahead and are kicking ass. And the others are rushing to keep up.
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

Since when is 6x negligible?

When the "x" was negligible to start with.

- I'll pay you 1 cent for a day's work.
- Forget it!
- OK, I'm giving you six times my initial offer...
- ...
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Originally Posted by mrstep View Post

Of course it's possible. If you want the best of both worlds, get an iPad2.

HAHAHAHA!
I teared up a bit, thanks for the laugh.
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

If you all just kindly step over to the Android Market.

You will all see there are (using Apple metrics to count apps).

1. 66 Apps optimized for Honeycomb
2. 638 Featured books (that are not free)
3. 470 Free books

These ARE optimized for tablet experience and it totals over 1174 apps (using Apple's version of app definition... (148Appbiz currently reports that Iphone has Books - 56409 active Apps).

So clearly all the iPhone community lives in la la land. But thats alright, keep on doing so. It happened with the G1 and look where we are now. Looking at reality through distorted glasses doesn't change reality, just your perception of it.

Now, unlike Apple. Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. So in reality Android tablets can make full use of all submitted Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark as per AndroidLib metrics, out of which 187K are active. Android adds 30K apps a month growing at 10% rate, while iPhone ecosystem grows under 5% a month and currently has 450K apps).

This year alone, this is another metric that the iOS ecosystem will surrender to Android.

Sorry to bust the bubble and I do realize most of you will rant against this.

Thats not a problem, its just reality.

Now that you have opened your bowels kindly clean up your mess and leave the room.
Your reality is in your head.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

I posted this in a different (wrong) thread, but this is much more apropos:

It all comes down to what you can do with your device, and how well it does it. Open or closed, most users are going to care about the experience first and the politics second.

Android on phones has done well because most people use their phones as communication devices first. Mobile email, texting, voice, maps, browser and some web enabled services. Makes sense for a device that you keep on your person at all times, and plays to Google's strengths as a web first company.

Tablets are another matter. They bode to be the next big personal computing paradigm. As such, they will be expected to deliver engaging computing experiences, not just scaled up phone type web services. There's no huge advantage to checking your email or texting or getting showtimes on a tablet over a phone, yet Google seems to think that will do.

It's ironic, because the smug dismissal of the iPad early on was always about how it was "just a consumption device." Real computing would happen elsewhere, we were told, so if you were content to lay back and stare at stuff go ahead and enjoy your toy computer.

Flash forward to the arrival of Android tablets. All of a sudden applications don't matter. Widgets matter, OS cruft matters, being able to access web services matter.

Meanwhile, the iPad continues to add robust productivity apps, and the they make whats available for Honeycomb look pathetic. No doubt applications will be added in time, but of what quality? Where are the really serious, carefully engineered full on applications going to come from?

For instance: here is screen shot of the current Honeycomb specific drum machine available form the Android Store:



And here is one of a dozen high end drum apps for the iPad:



Yes, I know, drum machines aren't the be all and end all of computer use, but there are actually so few apps specifically available for Honeycomb at the moment it difficult to find head to head comparisons.

But more generally, the delta is so huge it's almost comical. Outside of replicating what their phone can do, Android tablets seem to offer a computing experience from the mid-90s. If Google can't get their act together pretty soon, all those iPads with all those apps are going to start making a real impression on the general public. A great many people will have seen or used an iPad running some kind of extremely polished, powerful application, and when they go to look at buying a tablet for themselves and see the primitive state of Honeycomb apps, they're not going to be impressed. And the last thing they're going to think is "Yeah, it might not do much, but by God it's open!"

Nice one.
Yes open like an old can of fish.
post #78 of 144
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Originally Posted by Mister Snitch View Post

You'll find this clown's picture in the dictionary, right next to 'Loser'.

Snicker. I thought it would be retard.
post #79 of 144
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

I will be a little more giving to the iFan's. I predict Android apps will pass the iPhone in 2012, not in 2011 Of course sales have already suprassed the iOS phones.

A year from now there will be a dozen good Andriod tablets running Honeycomb + and probably for cheaper than the iPad. Again I predict the iPad will drop to number 2 and do so faster than the iPhone did.

Maybe Dan can spin some shiiiiite on that day for the iFan's so they wont feel so bad?? His drible is the best in the iFan blog world when it comes to the pure waste of electrons.

Like the vile dribble coming from your mouth right ?
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Originally Posted by UralBas View Post

And how I predicted Android would over take the iPhone when I was among the first 1000 to have a G1 in their hands.

The same way.. this rofl 'Loser' will be smiling at iOS and its fans.. (that includes you) when Android Tablets overwhelm iPads like Android phones are doing so with the iPhone.

If you guys haven't noticed. There are three reason why Apple will lose, that history has proven time and time again (BetaMax, Mac Computers. IBM Computers, are some Examples).

When a company wants total control it can't compete against an open system. This is a proven fact over time. Yes, they will be relevant for a while, but in the long run both Technology and Marketshare depress their market.

iOS devices have the following going against them:

a) Apple Dictatorship
b) Closed System
c) Too long of a development cycle (one year compared to 4 months for Android Hardwarewise)
d) History
e) Price

And its not the best phone out there. Actually Mobiado carries the BEST phone to date, the ctp002 and its Android.

http://tech2.in.com/news/mobile-phon...android/209582

Give it another three years and Ill be back to smile on you guys like I have done so with the G1.

silly person, let me refute your pathetic claims:
1) Dictatorship, what dictatorship, maybe in your small mind
Big business is just that, same with the others
2) What exactly is closed, just like carriers not giving updates to customers
Android 3.0 being shut off from developers
Google scanning person emails and feed ads to you (immoral and probably illegal)
3, Hardware refresh too long, just your opinion which counts for nought, zero, nil, nothing
4) History, Roman history which one
5) Price, now you are even sillier, iPad 1 & 2 are cheap compared to the competitors
Samsung 7 incher is more expensive than the iPad, the exhume even more so.
Had enough ?
Just another fandroid/Apple hater sigh ...
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