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post #81 of 144
3/29/11 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

Since when is 6x negligible? Besides, it helps point out the failure of anyone who buys one of these devices to fully understand what they are getting themselves into. It also points out how grossly inferior the forked strategy of Android is. Plus, their "open source" philosophy of "release early, release often" for their OS screws the overwhelming majority of the owners of these handsets who are immediately stuck with obsolete hardware, running an old inferior version of the OS.

Maybe on the log10 scale? Be it 17, 20 or 66, it's not a significant number of apps. Besides, all figures are less than 100, to give the exact number known at the time might be considered the social equivalent of kicking them when they're down. Less than 100 is still not much compared to thousands of native iPad apps within a month of the first devices' release. It's hard to justify chest-thumping when you compare low two digits with high five digits.
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post #82 of 144
3/29/11 at 9:56pm
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Negligible difference.

You mean it's a rounding error.

Anywho, how crazy is it that iPad is on version two already, and a whole slew of global companies with huge budgets have only released a single tabled, which is already ending production due to low demand and was hugely overpriced.

There should have been at least three tablets on android lunch - moto, htc, samsung. Along with a whole bunch of apps from those who participated in the "open" development of the OS. 17 apps is comparable to a web os lunch catalogue...
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post #83 of 144
3/30/11 at 12:01am
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... Honeycomb games don't need any recoding to be optimized for a Tablet. ...

I'll give you that point BUT unfortunately Honeycomb / 3.0 applications barely exist, as everything is mostly for 2.3 or 2.2 which even Google says is not for tablets as there is no real touch interface.

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... Android apps, which by the way this week crossed 300K mark...

Again most are for 2.3 or 2.2 NOT Honeycomb 3.0

Android apps may catch Apple someday, just not today.
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post #84 of 144
3/30/11 at 12:19am
Actually, from the reviews I've seen Google's trick of having Android apps reconfigure themselves for larger screens on the fly doesn't work. At all. Apps end up truncating vital bits of the UI, and user actions result in unexpected behaviors.

Apple's simple scaling may not be ideal, but at least scaled up apps don't look terrible and they work. Not that it matters that much in Apple's case, since there is an abundance of apps made for the iPad.

Google, as usual, wants to make it easy for developers to work the least common denominator.
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post #85 of 144
3/30/11 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

...everything is mostly for 2.3 or 2.2 which even Google says is not for tablets as there is no real touch interface.

??? Huh. Are you sure you know what you are talking about ?

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Actually, from the reviews I've seen Google's trick of having Android apps reconfigure themselves for larger screens on the fly doesn't work. At all. Apps end up truncating vital bits of the UI, and user actions result in unexpected behaviors.

It is interesting to see, that desktop apps, including apps for OS X, and web apps works very well on multiple screen resolutions and everyone expect it to work this way. Mobile applications are no different. Of course, it is possible to write an app that doesn't scale well, but reasonable experienced developer has no problem to write UI that scales well. I seen plenty of apps that works very well on the Xoom out of the box, which make the entire article moot.

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Apple's simple scaling may not be ideal, but at least scaled up apps don't look terrible.

They do look terrible. Anyone happy using original iPhone app on iPad. Not me.
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post #86 of 144
3/30/11 at 3:20am
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??? Huh. Are you sure you know what you are talking about ?

Considering Honeycomb 3.0 is new to market, yes I am positive I am right. Your name fits you well.
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post #87 of 144
3/30/11 at 3:33am
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

I posted this in a different (wrong) thread, but this is much more apropos:

It all comes down to what you can do with your device, and how well it does it. Open or closed, most users are going to care about the experience first and the politics second.

Android on phones has done well because most people use their phones as communication devices first. Mobile email, texting, voice, maps, browser and some web enabled services. Makes sense for a device that you keep on your person at all times, and plays to Google's strengths as a web first company.

Tablets are another matter. They bode to be the next big personal computing paradigm. As such, they will be expected to deliver engaging computing experiences, not just scaled up phone type web services. There's no huge advantage to checking your email or texting or getting showtimes on a tablet over a phone, yet Google seems to think that will do.

It's ironic, because the smug dismissal of the iPad early on was always about how it was "just a consumption device." Real computing would happen elsewhere, we were told, so if you were content to lay back and stare at stuff go ahead and enjoy your toy computer.

Flash forward to the arrival of Android tablets. All of a sudden applications don't matter. Widgets matter, OS cruft matters, being able to access web services matter.

Meanwhile, the iPad continues to add robust productivity apps, and the they make whats available for Honeycomb look pathetic. No doubt applications will be added in time, but of what quality? Where are the really serious, carefully engineered full on applications going to come from?

But more generally, the delta is so huge it's almost comical. Outside of replicating what their phone can do, Android tablets seem to offer a computing experience from the mid-90s. If Google can't get their act together pretty soon, all those iPads with all those apps are going to start making a real impression on the general public. A great many people will have seen or used an iPad running some kind of extremely polished, powerful application, and when they go to look at buying a tablet for themselves and see the primitive state of Honeycomb apps, they're not going to be impressed. And the last thing they're going to think is "Yeah, it might not do much, but by God it's open!"

Excellent analysis. 'Nuff sed.
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post #88 of 144
3/30/11 at 4:49am
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Apple's simple scaling may not be ideal, but at least scaled up apps don't look terrible and they work.

"Not ideal" seems to be an understatement. Pixel multiplication is probably the second worst scaling method that exists, and that is what the iPad has used in the few iPhone apps that I run on my iPad. What's worse on the iPad Doesn't use the Retina Display feature of the apps. That said, I don't know what methods Android devices use, I don't have one and I don't plan to get one in the short term. But given a company whose statement seems to be excellence, it doesn't jibe with the high probability that Apple can do a lot better better at no extra hardware cost and lot much software development cost.
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post #89 of 144
3/30/11 at 6:30am
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3/30/11 at 6:41am
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post #91 of 144
3/30/11 at 6:44am
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I dream of a Hybrid Device that would unite Apple and Android and give us the best of both worlds. Is it possible?

Great idea! If we did have such a device I would guess it comes from Apple - similar to how Apple brought Windows to Macs through Boot Camp.
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post #92 of 144
3/30/11 at 7:37am
Can't wait for someone to start selling a decent amount of Android iPad ripoffs. Then we can start talking about the OS market share, not the subsidised Pile 'Em High Sell 'Em Cheap phone market share. And then we can include all the iPod touches into the equation, and start to get a fairer feel for who is where in the hearts and minds of consumers and developers.

Points to note:

@ There is no competition between iOS and Android, iOS kicks Android into a cocked hat.
@ The competition based on phone market share is a bogus metric, it means nothing when more than half of one sides sales are on non-phone devices, and almost 100% of the other sides are phones.
@ Calling an App that just spreads out the UI elements to cater for the larger screensize "optimised" is like calling using 2X zoom for iPhone apps on an iPad "optimised", i.e., it isn't, it's fudged.
@ Suggesting "open" is an advantage to Android is nullified when carrier can choose to cherry pick if you get updates, and install shiteware on your phone that cannot be removed
@ If Androids are so open, why root?
@ If 1 device a year is too slow a development (Let's ignore the regular OS updates here for simples sake), then surely 1 every 3 weeks from a wide range of manufacturers is far too many, what's the benefit of laying down your cash now when you know that a) it will be superseded in a month by the next big Android thing, and b) might not even be able to updates your OS.
@ Finally, where is the killer app for Android tablets, or even Android full stop. If there are any good apps out there, they are also available on iOS, if they are exclusive to Android, there will be a better exclusive on iOS. This is an almost universal law. Show me a single Android app that is genuinely a) great and b) not available on iOS or bettered by something that is exclusive iOS - and of course I am not talking task managers, launcher widgets or other cruft that is basically just OS tinkering like a big boy PC would have.
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post #93 of 144
3/30/11 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

To put that busy UI into perspective, here's how large the human hand is in relation to the iPad screen:



So how many of the controls in the iPad drum machine can be used without accidentally triggering something you weren't aiming for?

More controls != more usable.

See what you are doing in your example, that's called zooming, and it's what you can do in Rebirth, which only looks that way to be fair as it is a port of an abandoned PC/Mac application.
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post #94 of 144
3/30/11 at 7:49am
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??? Huh. Are you sure you know what you are talking about ?



It is interesting to see, that desktop apps, including apps for OS X, and web apps works very well on multiple screen resolutions and everyone expect it to work this way. Mobile applications are no different. Of course, it is possible to write an app that doesn't scale well, but reasonable experienced developer has no problem to write UI that scales well. I seen plenty of apps that works very well on the Xoom out of the box, which make the entire article moot.



They do look terrible. Anyone happy using original iPhone app on iPad. Not me.

The thing is, that it's the OS "guessing" at how to remodel the UI based on the available screen size. Not all tablets (not all Android tablets) have consistent screen sizes, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x 1024 etc, all at different aspect ratios from 4:3 to 16:9 through 8:5 etc

The UI designer for these apps isn't specifying a design, the OS is merely extrapolating from one res at one ratio to another, and I would guess that even if it get's it right, it would not be the choice of UI that the designer would choose to do with that extra real estate. I'm sure the like iPad apps, the choice of design will be totally different, not just repositioned.

And you are right, iPhone apps look stupid on iOS, at least they could introduce native "retina" resolution without scaling on the iPad for apps that have retina resolution UIs. There would still be a border, but it would be smaller and not zoomed. This is the worst of both worlds, a retina UI iPhone app that is scaled down to the old size then zoomed up...luckily very few iPhone apps that you would want to tun on an iPad don't already have iPad versions anyway, but there are some standout irritating refuseniks, like Spotify etc.
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post #95 of 144
3/30/11 at 7:52am
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"Not ideal" seems to be an understatement. Pixel multiplication is probably the second worst scaling method that exists, and that is what the iPad has used in the few iPhone apps that I run on my iPad. What's worse on the iPad Doesn't use the Retina Display feature of the apps. That said, I don't know what methods Android devices use, I don't have one and I don't plan to get one in the short term. But given a company whose statement seems to be excellence, it doesn't jibe with the high probability that Apple can do a lot better better at no extra hardware cost and lot much software development cost.

As per my above reply to someone else, I think the idea is that if they made it work great for Retina apps, there is less incentive to push the boat out and design for the iPad specifically, rather than just bodge it with better results than they currently do. It would be simple to just display retina apps native, but they won't, and they have a small point in that if it was designed for a 3" screen perhaps it's best left that way, and the zoom bodge is made obvious to you rather than have you thinking "this looks good, but it feels wrong."
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post #96 of 144
3/30/11 at 8:05am
some remind me how many native ipad apps were available before the hardware / os was, again? steve jobs, the ultimate troll - the guy should have finished school so he could learn how to write fair comparisons
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post #97 of 144
3/30/11 at 8:23am
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some remind me how many native ipad apps were available before the hardware / os was, again? steve jobs, the ultimate troll - the guy should have finished school so he could learn how to write fair comparisons

I believe it was over a thousand. And 3 or 4 times more within a month. Remember, this quote is in itself over a month old, and there are still less than half (let's be really generous) the apps Steve suggested there were. I take it you are still at school, and have yet to get to the "fair comparisons" class.

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A little light googling later, and I think you may be getting this http://www.techdigest.tv/2010/03/apple_ipad_to_o.html (12 iPad apps at launch, not including 3rd Party ones) with this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...of-launch.html (URL says it all).

To make it clear: "On April 8th, Steve Jobs announced 3,500 iPad apps were available in the App Store during the iPhone OS 4.0 media preview event in Cupertino. Approximately 3 weeks later, an additional 2,000 apps have been added, roughly 100 new apps a day." (via http://www.padgadget.com/2010/05/01/...pps-are-there/). Note the iPad was released on April 3rd, the iPad 3G wasn't to be released for a further 3 weeks, and neither was available outside of the states at the time.

Remind me, what was your point again?
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post #98 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:13am
I heard this is the place to hang out if you're an delusional Apple Fanboi = smug, pathetic, wannabe hipster douchebag.

You guys really work hard on that false sense of superiority. Give the tablet market a bit more time and Apple will lose that also.

Apple lost the desktop OS war with Microsoft and the Mobile phone OS market. Failed at both of those. Now they have a headstart on tablets but will lose that also. Get ready to be on the losing side again Apple Fanbois.

Think I'll sell all my iDevices just so no one mistakes me for an Apple Fanboi. Serious bottom feeders of the tech world.
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post #99 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:28am
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I heard this is the place to hang out if you're an delusional Apple Fanboi = smug, pathetic, wannabe hipster douchebag.

You guys really work hard on that false sense of superiority. Give the tablet market a bit more time and Apple will lose that also.

Apple lost the desktop OS war with Microsoft and the Mobile phone OS market. Failed at both of those. Now they have a headstart on tablets but will lose that also. Get ready to be on the losing side again Apple Fanbois.

Think I'll sell all my iDevices just so no one mistakes me for an Apple Fanboi. Serious bottom feeders of the tech world.

Lost the Mobile phone OS market? To dozens of mutually incompatible, unupdateable versions of Android, given away up to buy one, get five free, while people are paying full price for iPhones and standing in line for the privilege? You Fandroids are so amusing!

Sell all your iDevices? Like anyone here believes you've ever touched an iDevice! If you expect to earn your pay, you're going to have to troll a lot better than this.
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post #100 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:29am
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Great idea! If we did have such a device I would guess it comes from Apple - similar to how Apple brought Windows to Macs through Boot Camp.

I wish they do it again, this time with iOS.
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post #101 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:39am
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post #102 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:49am
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How does one unzoom the size of the human finger so that the controls in that drum app will become usable?

You don't, you zoom into the app and make the controls larger! But you knew that. Right...?
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post #103 of 144
3/30/11 at 9:55am
I couldn't care less how many apps are available on any platform. I only care about whether there are QUALITY apps that serve my needs. 20,000 apps the equivalent of iFart doesn't help me.

Back in the days when few developers were developing for the Mac, this was the mantra coming out of Apple: that it didn't matter that there were far fewer apps for the Mac as opposed to the PC as long as there was at least one or two decent word processors, spreadsheet, drawing program, video editor, etc. That made sense then and it makes sense now.

I believe the future in both physical and virtual commerce is going to be curation, not comprehensivness. The fact that Apple has so many apps in the store makes it harder to choose, not easier. (Of course, if Apple tried to limit what's in the app store or on iTunes, people would go nuts and cry censorship.) But all of the sites have to find a way to have the best apps or content "float to the top" and sales levels are actually a poor indicator because they are self-fulfilling.
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post #104 of 144
3/30/11 at 10:44am
I have a Thunderbolt and an iPad2. I love both, but I am no fanboy of either apple/android. I am a fanboy of capitalism.

Companies will always try to out do each other and the consumer will always win.

I went from the G1 -> Nexus One -> Thunderbolt with my phones. At first the app support was bleh, but when big games like Angry Birds started being ported over, more are following (games and apps). Android is growing dramatically in the phone market, but they are still newbies with tablets... plus keep in mind that Honeycomb 3.0 is not really catered toward phones, just tablets (2.2/2.3 don't really support dual core processors).

OTOH, my ipad2 is fun. The apps are great and the hardware is nice. If I decide to switch to an android tablet, it will be because they caught up better on the apps and it's the best device for my budget... that's what it really comes down to...

For phones, there is nothing better than Android right now, hands down.. the iphone4 is fine, but even my Nexus One was better than that.. the Thunderbolt... nothing on the market beats this phone, not even the upcoming dual core Bionic (until it gets 3.0)... hell they just released the kernel for the Tbolt and it's been overclocked to 1.8ghz.

I suspect the iphone5 will be 4G and dual core, and the cycle will continue. Hail capitalism!
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post #105 of 144
3/30/11 at 10:49am
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So how many of the controls in the iPad drum machine can be used without accidentally triggering something you weren't aiming for?

More controls != more usable.

Sure, I just picked something to indicate the amount of effort going into iPad apps. You can pick any of a dozen other sophisticated sequencing/drum apps for the iPad.

There's a difference between crude and simple.
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post #106 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:00am
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@ Finally, where is the killer app for Android tablets, or even Android full stop. If there are any good apps out there, they are also available on iOS, if they are exclusive to Android, there will be a better exclusive on iOS. This is an almost universal law. Show me a single Android app that is genuinely a) great and b) not available on iOS or bettered by something that is exclusive iOS - and of course I am not talking task managers, launcher widgets or other cruft that is basically just OS tinkering like a big boy PC would have.

Actually, I have an iPhone and an iPad 2, but I'm a little jealous of Swype typing on Android, which as far as I know doesn't exist for iOS but I would love to be wrong about this. I'm hoping that it will be included in the next version of iOS. I'm not sure if this qualifies as an App in the sense that you intended.
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3/30/11 at 11:00am
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Lost the Mobile phone OS market? To dozens of mutually incompatible, unupdateable versions of Android, given away up to buy one, get five free, while people are paying full price for iPhones and standing in line for the privilege? You Fandroids are so amusing!

Sell all your iDevices? Like anyone here believes you've ever touched an iDevice! If you expect to earn your pay, you're going to have to troll a lot better than this.

Never touched one? ROFL! My first computer ever was an Apple ][+ and since then I've own everything from 1st gen iPods, 1st Gen iPad, and the last 3 models of iPhones (I'll always keep my Mac Mini Server). You are a prime example of the idiot fanboy that thinks owning an iDevice is something special. Its just another Gizmo to me and I have too many of those from every manufacturer under the sun.

I detest the fanboy mentality not the product. So suck on that Mac-Sochist. You are the kind of person that makes owning an Apple product a dirty thing in my opinion. I don't even want to be mistaken for one of your kind. Even arguing with Fanboys is right up there with debating the existence or non-existence of god with christians. You've literally taken this to a religious level the way you defend it and worship it. Nuff said.
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post #108 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:04am
I would suggest reporting this gentleman's last few posts to get the mods attention. There's that nice little red exclamation point on every post, you just have to click it and send.
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post #109 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:05am
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My first computer ever was an Apple ][+ and since then I've own everything from 1st gen iPods, 1st Gen iPad, and the last 3 models of iPhones (I'll always keep my Mac Mini Server).

You know of course that this kind of lying crap about all the Apple products you've owned, while hating Apple with a purple passion, is the deadest of dead giveaways of the paid shill. You do realize that, right....?
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3/30/11 at 11:06am
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You know of course that this kind of lying crap about all the Apple products you've owned, while hating Apple with a purple passion, is the deadest of dead giveaways of the paid shill. You do realize that, right....?

Don't bother just report. Shrill trolling doesn't have any content worth responding to.
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3/30/11 at 11:37am
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The thing is, that it's the OS "guessing" at how to remodel the UI based on the available screen size. Not all tablets (not all Android tablets) have consistent screen sizes, 1024x600, 1024x768, 1280x 1024 etc, all at different aspect ratios from 4:3 to 16:9 through 8:5 etc

The UI designer for these apps isn't specifying a design, the OS is merely extrapolating from one res at one ratio to another, and I would guess that even if it get's it right, it would not be the choice of UI that the designer would choose to do with that extra real estate. I'm sure the like iPad apps, the choice of design will be totally different, not just repositioned.

Will try it again. What you describe above, is exactly the situation that happens in the world of desktop or web applications. Nobody is surprised and there are many ways how to deal with this in pretty efficient way. Professional designer can deal with different sizes and even different ratios. If you think you need to provide layout for an exact size, Android gives you pretty good way how to deal with this (it is called buckets, and are completely transparent for the application logic). As a result, many applications that were created before the introduction of Honeycomb work pretty well and utilize the screen estate alright.


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And you are right, iPhone apps look stupid on iOS, at least they could introduce native "retina" resolution without scaling on the iPad for apps that have retina resolution UIs. There would still be a border, but it would be smaller and not zoomed. This is the worst of both worlds, a retina UI iPhone app that is scaled down to the old size then zoomed up...luckily very few iPhone apps that you would want to tun on an iPad don't already have iPad versions anyway, but there are some standout irritating refuseniks, like Spotify etc.

Agree. The ugly way how iPhone 4 specific apps are down-sampled and then zoomed for iPad is very "un-Apple" and unpleasant. Hope they can fix it. There still quite a lot of apps that are iPhone only (I might have almost 1/3 of them on my iPad and hate look of most of them)
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3/30/11 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by shao View Post

some remind me how many native ipad apps were available before the hardware / os was, again? steve jobs, the ultimate troll - the guy should have finished school so he could learn how to write fair comparisons

Engadget reported there were 1,350 iPad apps the night before the iPad launched...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/n...apps-revealed/
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3/30/11 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

Considering Honeycomb 3.0 is new to market, yes I am positive I am right.

Perhaps the reason Honeycomb is new to market is the reason there are just a few apps created specifically for this version ?

There is quite a difference in the look of 2x zoomed iPhone apps and apps done for Froyo or Gingerbread using fluent layouts (standard, recommended practice on Android) which work pretty well on bigger screen of Honeycomb.

Your note about the lack of touch-based interface shows that you are completely wrong, that was what I was referring to.

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post #114 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:51am
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I have too many of those from every manufacturer under the sun.

DaHarder mkII?

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post #115 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

The spelling error aside, you really must have been dying to try and make use of such an unused word in the English Lexicon.

By the way, it's asymptotically. Unfortunately, you should actually be discussing the Limit of the market growth in apps being produced by Android because the horizontal axis is not that sexy of an asymptote.

Do you want to contribute anything worthy, or are you just trying to piss off anyone who isn't an english speaker, mr grammar nazi?
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post #116 of 144
3/30/11 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip View Post

Engadget reported there were 1,350 iPad apps the night before the iPad launched...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/n...apps-revealed/

That only means there was close to 1350 apps that were never run in the real device before publishing. I am not sure if that is necessarily a good thing.

Xoom is definitely popular among developers (latest developers conference I attended had a volume of those babies in the audience) and it is just a matter of (very short) time before this is complete non issue.
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3/30/11 at 11:55am
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As long as Honeycomb has great full-power, easy-to-use tablet apps that can match the quality of GarageBand, iDraw, SketchBook, Numbers, Keynote, iTeleport, and a few hundred more of the very best, plus a couple thousand really good games to choose from (because we all want choice), who cares if Android tablets have less of the mediocre and poor apps?

Now that's a good point. Where the fuck is the GarageBand, the iDraw, the SketchBook, the Numbers, the Keynote, etc., of Honeycomb?

Because at least 3 or 4 of those already existed on the iPad from day fucking one.
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3/30/11 at 12:22pm
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Will try it again. What you describe above, is exactly the situation that happens in the world of desktop or web applications. Nobody is surprised and there are many ways how to deal with this in pretty efficient way. Professional designer can deal with different sizes and even different ratios. If you think you need to provide layout for an exact size, Android gives you pretty good way how to deal with this (it is called buckets, and are completely transparent for the application logic). As a result, many applications that were created before the introduction of Honeycomb work pretty well and utilize the screen estate alright.

""Many, pretty well and alright" aren't nearly as good as "made for the device" though, are they? I understand you want to talk about upscaled iPad apps vs. upscaled Honeycomb apps because (assuming the developer did it right) the Honeycomb app can look a bit better (although it can also be rendered almost unusable).

But of course this is all moot since there is a plethora of iPad specific apps available, which is of course the point you're trying to avoid.

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Agree. The ugly way how iPhone 4 specific apps are down-sampled and then zoomed for iPad is very "un-Apple" and unpleasant. Hope they can fix it. There still quite a lot of apps that are iPhone only (I might have almost 1/3 of them on my iPad and hate look of most of them)

They're not going to "fix" it, they're going to welcome the huge variety of applications specifically developed for the iPad. How you think a system wherein phone apps end up looking "OK" or "pretty good" is a preferable solution eludes me.
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3/30/11 at 12:26pm
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3/30/11 at 12:30pm
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That only means there was close to 1350 apps that were never run in the real device before publishing. I am not sure if that is necessarily a good thing.

Xoom is definitely popular among developers (latest developers conference I attended had a volume of those babies in the audience) and it is just a matter of (very short) time before this is complete non issue.

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Now that's a good point. Where the fuck is the GarageBand, the iDraw, the SketchBook, the Numbers, the Keynote, etc., of Honeycomb?

Because at least 3 or 4 of those already existed on the iPad from day fucking one.

Yes, this. It's not about total numbers it's about quality. Android handsets could get away with a lot of low functionality or single purpose apps, plus the usual big franchise items, because Android phones are largely used as communications and web service clients. Twitter app, e-mail client, browser, text, some way to look at video, some way to listen to music.

Tablets are the new personal computer. People aren't going to be satisfied with widgets; they'll expect actual applications. Sure, developers will make stuff for Honeycomb. But which developers, and how well?

Where is something like the Omni group for Honeycomb? Or Apple themselves, for that matter? Which Android developer has the resources or desire to do the heavy lifting for a Garageband or Omnigraffle? Where are the slick Android only houses like Tapbot?

Big screen, half assed becomes noticeable, which is why I posted the screen shot of that drum app. It appears to be to be typical of the breed-- just get something out there with some functionality, maybe you can make a few bucks. Beyond marquee games and Google services, interest in sophisticated apps seem to drop off sharply in Android land. That works fine for a phone, not so much for a tablet.
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