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post #121 of 233
Those are the exact same reasons that the iPod was destroyed by the competition ...

Oh, wait ...
post #122 of 233
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Andy Lark, Dell's global head of marketing, told Lisa Banks of CIO Australia on Tuesday that Apple's iPad will eventually succumb to Dell's Android- and Windows-based tablets because of pressure from an open enterprise market.

Lark congratulated Apple for igniting the tablet opportunity with the iPad, while predicting that the device will ultimately fall to more "open" competitors. I couldnt be happier that Apple has created a market and built up enthusiasm but longer term, open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary, Lark said.

Steve Jobs must have got a good laugh out of that lot. How can Dell possibly compete against the iPad if they don't understand what the iPad actually is, or isn't. And it simply doesn't matter if the iPad is 'closed' or 'proprietary' as long as it uses established standards to communicate with other devices. And who cares about 'closed/proprietary' anyway - certainly not the people who are buying the iPad. Those are technical issues that are only of interest to bit-fiddlers and other 'anal retentives'. Even developers couldn't care less because Apple gives them excellent tools to develop and distribute their apps.
post #123 of 233
Three Words: SHORT DELL STOCK

Unless Three Other Words: FIRE ANDY LARK

Honestly how stupendously clueless can you be?!?!?!

Seriously lets just look at this statement "According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] youll be at $1500 or $1600; thats double of what youre paying," he said. "Thats not feasible."

#1) The whole POINT of an iPad is that it DOESN'T NEED a keyboard and mouse... otherwise it'd just be another netbook and Apple's complete evisceration of the netbook market with the iPad proves consumers don't care for them.
#2) iPad doesn't even have official native mouse support jackass
#3) Most important of all... WTF? The most expensive iPad model is $830. WTF keyboard, mouse and case would cost between $670 and $770??!?! What is it made of gold?? Wouldn't that defeat the portability purpose???
#4) 15 M iPad 1s to date and supposedly now 3 M iPad 2s in 3 weeks with lines still out the door. Bottomline Andy, the people completely disagree with you and Dell on every level.
post #124 of 233
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

$499 is 70% of $1600? Since when?

Not 70% of $1600, but 70% less: 0.7x1600=1120, so 1600-1120=480, i.e roughly the $499.
post #125 of 233
you have to love the logic.

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open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary

only to say

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We will do Windows 7 coupled with Android Honeycomb

If they believe open will win over proprietary, why are they investing any of their own resources on Windows 7 tablets?
post #126 of 233
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Originally Posted by rollerborges View Post

Those are the exact same reasons that the iPod was destroyed by the competition ...

Oh, wait ...

Um, the iPod was never something adopted by the enterprise market, which is what Dell is trying to get into. Consumer wise, you are correct.
post #127 of 233
thoughts of apple competitors at the urinal : HP and Dell pissing away

this was for internal use,
please developers don't abandon us
pleas MS more money for your junk OS but you'll pay me like Nokia right?
please lets not have a brain drain and our talent leave us
please keep us in mind when you talk of apple,
please connect HP and Dell to apple so when people google apple news we get mentioned
please don't let those patents be enforced, but we have MS OS as back up...oops
please hope that there is enough room for a 2nd and 3rd place hope we aren't 5th
please hope when we merge with some company we aren't canned
please don't realize how much sh*&^t we are really in

I'm buffing up my resume so when its time for me to jump i can go to a company with a brighter future...we are really toast, please don't recongnize it yet

please stock holders don't replace us

when can i start selling my stock

Now that's what i mean by "open", open thoughts of Dell and HP

who wants to lead those companies NOW????
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post #128 of 233
I wonder when I hear interviews such as Andy Lark's, why the interviewer doesn't question or challenge such obvious holes in his claims. When he brought up the higher price of the iPad, why wasn't he reminded that the iPad is the LOWEST priced of ANY tablet on the market? Also, why was there no inquiry as to where he acquired the prices that brought the iPad and accessories to a total of $1500.00 to $1600.00? And finally, the question that just begged to be asked....why do you need a mouse for a tablet computer?

But I guess Dell has succeeded on one front. They have us talking about them again, albeit not in the way their marketing department would prefer.
post #129 of 233
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"Apple is great if you’ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It’s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex,” Lark added.

I guess the 30 million plus people that have bought iPads are under the impression they live on an island.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. “An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you’ll be at $1500 or $1600; that’s double of what you’re paying," he said. "That’s not feasible.”

I guess I got a really good deal then. Or maybe he means it will cost that much when they buy 2 iPads, as many people do.

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post #130 of 233
Has long has they try to run windows on tablets, talk about physical keyboard and mouse, they will continue to crash and burn. They just don’t get it; if you need all those things buy a laptop, not a tablet.

Dell has something with “open OS” and lower price, but the problem is nobody can compete with the ipad on price so far. HP may have something too because Apple is the worst possible bully when it comes to his suppliers or content providers, it’s a dictator and doesn’t negotiate at all. Since Apple has a collection of users with $$, dev and content providers still want to be there, but if Android become mainstream, lots of content providers will happily jump ship. We will see what happens in june with hulu, Kindle, Netflix, Zinio, mags, and other content resellers when they pull out there app from iOS if Apple enforce the 30% rule on them. This is going to hurt and spread really bad press to Apple…

Content providers should meet and make a planned move to all pull out of itunes at the same time. I think its the only to make Apple bend

The biggest threat to Apple will never be its hardware, but its way to handle the software side.
post #131 of 233
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Originally Posted by Sol77 View Post

The guy's last name is "Lark." Surely that is meme-building material? Surely we can do something with this?

Merriam Webster Dictionary
Lark:
any of a family (Alaudidae) of chiefly Old World ground-dwelling songbirds that are usually brownish in color;

A bird that can't fly and looks like shit? Maybe infuse it with some good ole drug references?

"You've got to be larking me."
"Stop larking around."
"That dell plan is a big pile of lark."
"Larking in the boys room."

You made me almost lark in my pants.
post #132 of 233
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

That must be some real good shit that those Dell dudes are smoking. I wish I had some of that.

He got it from Steve Ballmer's stash.
post #133 of 233
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

Hes absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants em! People want the open buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They dont want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.

Nailed it!

Personally from what I'm seeing on the Android platform (and the number of friends I have complaining about various little bugs that are driving them nuts for close to a year now) I have little reason to believe the Android tablets will ever be 'better' than what Apple is offering.
post #134 of 233
These are CEOs. Management. They may be clueless but they are no different from most other management types. They are bean counters. They talk to other bean counters. They know quality only available to the super-rich: yachts, Lamborghinis, exclusive restaurants, mansions. For the most part, they have no knowledge of, and care less about the products they sell to their ultimate customers. Their customers are those in their supply chain, the volume purchasers, and distributors.

Their problem now is some of their CEO counterparts buy Apple products. iPhones, iPads are status symbols, higher priced but enough affordable to normal customers, and also appeal to CEOs and management, and in the iPad case, more affordable than competing products.

Now Dell, HP, Microsoft, Nokia have a problem. On principle, the CEOs and management of this companies will not use Apple products (see Bill Gates admission that he and his family are not allowed to use Apple products), so they really don't know what a quality product looks and feels like.

And they only know their company's products as abstractions, if at all, because quality does not play in a financial statement, which as bean counters, is their only source of information about their companies.
post #135 of 233
Andy Lark, a VP at Dell
Said the iPad can't possibly sell
With the cost of it's mouse
More than a house
It can't possibly sell very well

On the other hand look at our Streak
Its so small and impossibly sleek
With it's sales off the chart
Dell is doing it's part
To put Jobs out of a job, so to speak

This just in:*Andy Lark, head of global marketing, announces he is leaving Dell for a career in standup comedy. *"I seem to have a real talent for making people laugh" said Lark.
post #136 of 233
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

$499 is 70% of $1600? Since when?

Perhaps he was using DellMath? The same math that says $499 (iPad) + $39 (smart cover) + $69 (BT keyboard) = $1600.
post #137 of 233
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Originally Posted by Brometheus View Post

I went to bed late last night, so I woke up this morning still feeling sleepy. I rolled over and reached groggily for my iPad 2. Fired up NewsRack, just to see what the latest rumor was about WWDC and the timing of the release or announcement of iPhone 5. Out of curiosity I decided to check out what Dell and HP had to say about Apple.

Now I'm wide awake. The combination of incredibly inane comments, wishful thinking, and utter frustration expressed by the Dell and HP guys and the amusing comments by posters here made me burst out laughing. The mouse comment alone jolted me into alertness. Who needs coffee?

Thank God, I'm not the only one..
(referring to my early post on the first page)
post #138 of 233
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Um, the iPod was never something adopted by the enterprise market, which is what Dell is trying to get into. Consumer wise, you are correct.

I get that, the but reasons he gives for the imminent failure of the iPad are that it's "closed, high price and proprietary" - just like the iPod. High price will definitely turn off consumers and enterprise customers alike, but that part of the statement is patently false with regards to the iPad and no one cares about the other two alleged qualities except for tech heads and bloggers.

There are two things that usually win the day in the tech world: 1) flooding the market before anyone else gets there and becoming so ubiquitous that consumers are 'stuck' in your ecosystem, even if your product is not the best out there, e.g. Microsoft Windows or 2) creating the best end user experience e.g. iPod, iPad, Wii. Not only is the iPad absolutely wiping the floor with the "competition", it also unanimously delivers the best user experience.

Consumers, enterprise: they don't give a flying about "open" vs. "closed" - if those terms even accurate in this case - they want a product that increases their enjoyment/satisfaction/productivity etc. And so far, Apple delivers that at a price that the competition can not yet match, let alone beat to the extent that folks will begin to accept an inferior, fragmented experience.
post #139 of 233
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Perhaps he was using DellMath? The same math that says $499 (iPad) + $39 (smart cover) + $69 (BT keyboard) = $1600.

Read comment #124 and do your maths.
post #140 of 233
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Originally Posted by lumineux View Post

Dell should just close up shop and give the money back to the investors.

Better yet, follow the money...

Where is Michael Dell placing his strategic bets? If Dell's PC business is so great, why are all of Dell's strategic acquisitions outside of the PC space? Why are these acquisitions always in high-margin businesses (EqualLogic)? Why is Michael Dell trying to use these acquisitions to reinvent the way Dell operates internally?

Give Michael Dell and the Dell board credit for figuring out their mainline PC business is a low-margin business. Its too bad the rank-and-file in Austin haven't figured this out.
post #141 of 233
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

Hes absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants em! People want the open buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They dont want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.

And of course Bluetooth keyboards magically cost less if you can prove you own a Honeycomb tablet. Now, iPad mice, on the other hand... those are without price!

I'd say about 99% of the people who have asked me about buying an iPhone or an iPad wouldn't know what "open" was - much less ask about it.
post #142 of 233
All I can say is "Andy here's your problem"

In December, Journalist Walt Mossberg called out the device as last year's worst-reviewed product.

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post #143 of 233
Let's see:
iPad $829 (buy the most expensive one, give him the benefit of the doubt)
case $60
keyboard $80
mouse $80

Total:$1,049

Pay someone to modify an existing app to use a mouse: $500

Total: $1,500-$1,600

There you have it.
post #144 of 233
Is this an early April's Fool joke?
post #145 of 233
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Is this an early April's Fool joke?

We'll find out when the markets open...
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post #146 of 233
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According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] youll be at $1500 or $1600; thats double of what youre paying," he said. "Thats not feasible.

I rarely use a keyboard but who, exactly, uses a mouse with a tablet? Has that Dell guy ever touched one?
post #147 of 233
Was worth the shot.
post #148 of 233
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

I agree with you.
When I am on call I bring a dell laptop home, it takes 5 min 11 secs to boot up, I know because I timed it on my iPhone stop watch. t takes only a couple of minutes less to turn it off.
My MBP takes about 40 secs and my G4 (about 10 years old) takes about 20 secs on average.
The dell is a plastic piece of SHIT, it is not even worth driving a huge truck over it.
Its disgusting, how any one can make, sell and buy this utter garbage is beyond me, but good luck to them. Don't complain later on with the shitty experience.

Wow, 5 minutes to boot up is unreal. My 2 year old dell laptop with a ssd and windows 7 only takes 18-19 seconds on average to boot up( 12 seconds to complete the post and 6-7 seconds to load windows). Even at 18 seconds it's too slow for me, so I just use sleep mode instead cause that only takes about 3 seconds to resume from sleep. I do agree that the plastic casing looks cheap, but it sure is durable.
post #149 of 233
This guy from Dell is out to lunch. How embarrassing.

HP is absolutely right about Apple being a lousy channel partner, but that's no guarantee that WebOS tablets will be successful. At this moment I don't see any actual shipping product from them.
post #150 of 233
did that Tablet he was holding up have a trash can and CD Icon?

I mean wow...How much fail is that if you have to a trashcan to delete files? The craziest thought is there actually going to be a "desktop" on these things?

"The iPad will fail? "

I think that statement you might have been able to get away last year before the iPad came out. Now? They sold how many millions? over 14 milllion? I believe for a first niche category product, I do not think you could claim a more successful product than the iPad.

"More open competitors?" This guy is an executive at HP? I could throw meaningless buzz words out all day as well.

What really needs to be open on a mobile device with personal information on it? Who cares if your device is "open" if you have no one is even writing applications for it.

Time to short sell some more HP and Dell.
post #151 of 233
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Originally Posted by rhyde View Post

Let's see:
iPad $829 (buy the most expensive one, give him the benefit of the doubt)
case $60
keyboard $80
mouse $80

Total:$1,049

Pay someone to modify an existing app to use a mouse: $500

Total: $1,500-$1,600

There you have it.

Except this line:

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Pay someone to modify an existing app to use a mouse: $500

Should read: Put someone on retainer to modify every app you buy to use a mouse: Priceless!
post #152 of 233
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Originally Posted by Unknownz View Post

That picture of the "TouchPad" tablet is ridonkulous----just because they throw a bad Apple-esque reflection on it, and give it an imitative name of iPad does not make it worth competing with iPad.

What happened to calling these tablets "___Slates?" Oh right, ever since Apple went with iPad as the name for their tablet instead of "iSlate," all these Apple wannabes followed suit with naming their vaporware __Pads.

it is rather sad. The iPad competitors even have to copy the naming convention of the iPad. I mean damn people, you guys are uber lazy. Remember when Ballmer came out with the Slate? The buzz was that Apple's was going to be called the apple slate, so Ballmer made a fool of himself once again at CES '10.

To think, I used to think so highly of some of these companies.
post #153 of 233
Notice that while the execs made some comments -- which we may not agree with -- what I find amusing that the Appleinsider folks characterize it as 'lashing out'. The execs didn't 'lash out'. They did make critical remarks about their competitor, but heck...Steve Jobs does that all the time, too. He claimed that the 7" tablets like the Galaxy Tab needed to come with sandpaper to sand your fingers down.

It's all the same. It's business. Of course HP and Dell execs can't praise Apple. Neither can Apple praise their competition.
post #154 of 233
The usual saying is something like "don't attribute to malice what is simply ignorance," but in this case most of the commenters here have it backwards: Dell and HP do not believe what they are saying, they are consciously sowing the seeds of "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" (FUD). Enterprise buyers (executives who make purchasing decisions for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of employees) tend to be very risk-averse and very susceptible to arguments like these. Dell, HP, and Microsoft have a long history of pitching their products to these decision makers. They know this "closed system" argument is BS, but they also know that it's the kind of thing that makes corporate buyers very nervous. The old saying was "no one ever got fired for buying IBM" then it changed to Microsoft being the safe choice. These guys are just doing what they can to increase the chance that businesses will think that outfitting their staff with Apple stuff is a risky decision.

I will not be at all surprised to witness the following exchange at my company: CEO: "Hey IT what would it take to give everyone an iPad? Do you think that would make them more productive?" IT: "I understand where you coming from, but it's not clear that the iPad is the right solution. It's a closed platform and doesn't have enterprise support. Dell will be coming out with the product for us shortly." In the meantime, an increasing number of executives (and managers, etc.) are going around IT and buying their own iPhones and iPads.
post #155 of 233
ROFL. Dell thinks it's the 80s where there was a clear cost preference towards windows vs the Mac OS. Now apple has the dominant mobile OS, with maybe one (weak) competitor (android) ... nobody else really comes close. So now the windows clone hardware manufacturers don't know what to do. They can't build anything that holds iOS, so they're stuck with 3rd rate alternatives (android again). Of course they are going to backtalk apple- they are probably shitting in their pants trying to figure out how to save their profits (... eg in 5 years when mobile devices eclipse PCs they will have nothing to build for since apple will dominate.)
post #156 of 233
Player haters!
post #157 of 233
Personally of the PC side of the world. I like Dell. Great experience with their machines (everyone in my home owns one and my dads 98 desktop still runs perfectly.
Though not prefect.
That said
What an f***king retard. Does he really think the iPad is a fail?
Even if apple couldn't sell one after today, they made a few billion off the product no?
Pass.
A fail is dells shitty tablets.
I never really liked HP.
post #158 of 233
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Does he live in Wally World?

How does a $699 64GB iPad 2 with a $39 smart cover, a $69 wireless keyboard, a $29 dock and $69 Magic Mouse add up to $1500 - $1600?

$876 before tax in the US.

Hell, I suppose we'll have to throw in a 24" monitor as well?

Or a 16GB iPad 2 for $499, keyboard, smart cover, dock, and no mouse (because what in the hell is the mouse for - unless you just want another one for your Mac...), and now you're at a whopping $636 - which is likely less than whatever Dell will be offering without a keyboard, nice cover, or dock.

Haha, $636 dollars? Why wouldn't you buy a Streak instead?
post #159 of 233
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Originally Posted by dellar View Post

Player haters!



What players? What haters? Can you be a little bit more specific?
post #160 of 233
Guys, you need to give Mr. Lark ( ) a break.

The reason it cost him $1500-$1600 dollars was because he bought about a hundred different mice before the five year old down the street took pity on the poor fool ( ) and told him that the iPad doesn't need a mouse. I mean it took him at least a dozen mice before he figured out that the iPad didn't have a serial port.

THIS is a technology exec?
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