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post #41 of 78
I thought the Publish and Subscribe ref was the funniest bit of this. It actually got me for a moment. Went into a time warp or something. Excellent mock-up guys.
post #42 of 78
SOT

Since this is Apr 1...

Here's an interesting quote from an analyst:

Quote:
However, assuming the parts continue to arrive at Foxconns facility, it appears that Foxconn will have the ability to produce around 80 150 million iPad 2s this year, if they felt they could sell them.

The article is here:

Apples Ability to Produce iPad 2s


I thought I was way out there -- when I predicted 60 million iPads in CY 2011 (All versions).
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post #43 of 78
iCal 4.0 may have a option to change skins...? I do like the leather if you don't like it, don't use it...
post #44 of 78
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...iCal 4.0 adopts an appearance similar to the iPad Calendar, with a leather bound top...

At best, I'm hoping this is an April Fool's joke and we're not going to see any more "iPad wannabe GUI implementation" surface in Lion.

And at worst... since Address Book is confirmed to have a new faux book GUI, this could very well be the real deal. Odd that the same company who ships beautiful, functional objects will cave in to graphic designer boredom and go for tacky.

Apple had made quite a bit of progress towards unifying OS X's UI with 10.5/10.6... such a shame to see good work get covered with a thick layer of cheese. \
post #45 of 78
I don't like it. However, if Apple thinks it works, at least allow users to convert to the old look. Don't make the same mistake made with the Safari 4 beta where Apple released the Beta with Tabs on Top. The tech press hated the tabs on Top, but public polls showed a 50/50 split. Instead of releasing the Beta with the Tabs on Top feature at least in the form of an option, it got rid of it all together. Now all the popular browsers put the tabs on top because it makes more sense.
post #46 of 78
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Ugghhh....Thats okay in Full Screen view (which is why things like this look great on the iPad, which essentially becomes the app). But to have it in Windowed mode, where it clashes atrociously with other apps' consistent Window UIs is just a bad idea.

I actually think it's fine, but I agree that this is probably where they are coming from. In Lion many apps have a full screen mode, and in that case you don't have to worry about consistency with other apps that might be visible at the same time. The calendar is actually an app that benefits from a lot of space, so I will probably give it it's own screen in Lion.

When Lion comes out I wonder if there will be a thread about what apps to use full screen and what to use on a desktop.
post #47 of 78
Not a joke, sadly. I just opened iCal in developer preview 2. I joined just to confirm this, cause it's that ugly.
post #48 of 78
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Originally Posted by PXT View Post

Don't worry, they'll delete all your events in the data-migration.

I'm actually taking that leap this weekend, right after I make triple redundant backups of all my calendar data!

And I think I just realized why iCal's event data entry window is so horrible. Apple doesn't want you to clutter up their calendar designs with a bunch of appointments on your calendar, er, I mean their calendar!
post #49 of 78

I don't like how they put "AppleInsider" in there.
Big step backwards GUI-wise.
What was Apple thinking?
post #50 of 78
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I don't like how they put "AppleInsider" in there.
Big step backwards GUI-wise.
What was Apple thinking?

post #51 of 78
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple's iCal 4.0 in Mac OS X 10.7 Lion's second Developer Preview adopts an iPad appearance and a new annual view.

Both the iPad and MobileMe calendars present a Day view as an open book, Week and Month views as a tear off calendar pad, and a List view that depicts upcoming event in a spiral bound section next to a torn-page Day view.

Lion's iCal presents the same torn page look for every view. Also different between the MobileMe and Lion version is the To Do list, which is represented as a tear off pad next to the calendar; in Lion's iCal, the To Do list is a conventional list that doesn't quite fit into the "torn page" appearance.


Will the new iCal be so 'advanced' that it includes an optional ISO week number to be displaced? This seems to be a standard requirement in all countries - except the United States.

And will tasks finally get Start Dates, Duration, Context and Project so that they will be usable? At present, I am forced to use OmniFocus on Mac and iOS devices for tasks, and Pocket Informant on iOS devices for calendars. BusyCal solves the missing week number on the Mac but for sure I hope that a PI for Mac will later be available.
post #52 of 78
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Probably is. All the photos say April Fools!

Definitely. One thing is some leather but when the buttons are leather, too, someone is taking the piss. When i went back to take another look I laughed. Its funny. Bad funny.

On a somewhat different note - I use Calvetica for my iPhone. (http://calvetica.com/) If only Apple could produce something that cool. iCal, Mail and Safari are beginning to look a little old imo. IOS iPad address book app looks dreadful
post #53 of 78
Still no week numbers? Please Apple, take your customers seriously!

Edit: I also don't like the way the buttons are presented:

In this case, the button labeld 'Week' should be pushed, and not the other buttons. Have you ever seen an old TV work like the way Apple shows here? "In order to choose a certain preset channel, press all the buttons around the button that represents the channel of your choice." That just doesn't work.
post #54 of 78
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Still no week numbers? Please Apple, take your customers seriously!

Edit: I also don't like the way the buttons are presented:
image: http://photos.appleinsider.com/Lionical1.png
In this case, the button labeld 'Week' should be pushed, and not the other buttons. Have you ever seen an old TV work like the way Apple shows here? "In order to choose a certain preset channel, press all the buttons around the button that represents the channel of your choice." That just doesn't work.

Ill give you the point on the week numbers. I use iStat Menus and have replaced my clock with their options which has a dropdown calendar with a week numbers option. Luckily its not something I need within ical itself. Also has world clocks and phases of the moon. Quite handy.

The point on the buttons I disagree with. it is raised because that is the one that is active. Its representing a slider, not a button one pressed in order to activate a physical switch. You can click on the depressed areas to change the buttons but the virtual action is a sliding of the button.

You can also click and drag the button from one area to the other to see a nifty animation of the text and button width. This is system wide, its just on this faux leather that it looks completely wrong.

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post #55 of 78
Ah, I see what you mean. Bit it still looks weird to me.
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Fake leather? On a computer screen? Um, no.

Using your reference, everything is fake on the screen.

Apple, some like the natural look of leather and wood. Just give us the option.
post #58 of 78
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

SOT

Since this is Apr 1...

Here's an interesting quote from an analyst:



The article is here:

Apples Ability to Produce iPad 2s


I thought I was way out there -- when I predicted 60 million iPads in CY 2011 (All versions).

Hey Dick... you too, eh? I got some serious money riding on 40 and 50mil with AAPL.... but only side-betting with me buddies (double-downed last weak: clouded by Bitburger) at 60. I'm just not sure they can make them fast enough, regardless of any reports coming out of Asia saying they can or not.

But if they could... AAPL would.
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post #59 of 78
Please people:

visit the link here at http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html and let Apple know what you think of this absolutely horrid design choice.

For those that "love it", please do us all the favor and request a "Preference setting" to enable/disable the "Faux-Leather look" in iCal and Address Book.

Thanks in advance

Edit: awe forget it! That's what I get for following links: I just viewed that http://fuglyandroid.tumblr.com/ page and forthrightly ripped my eyes out! Jeez! I'm a tolerant guy, but... oh the pain!!!!

Edit 2: and in other news, MS has released Windows 8 M3 build with new wallpaper !!! I QUIT!
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post #60 of 78
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Am I the only one that thinks the leather-bound metaphor is wrong on a desktop OS? Brushed metal looks great compared to this :|

The next thing you will see is that apps for Windows will sport brownish colors (just like the best-selling Zune), a color MS already has experience with.

Unfortunately, there are other things beside leather that are brown.

On a more serious note, leather is also pretty common on the desktop. I have several leather gadgets lying in my closet that were given to me as Christmas presents, that I should have used on my desk: a calender stand, an agenda cover, cylindrical pen holders, etc., but never did.
post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Fake leather? On a computer screen? Um, no.

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Originally Posted by badtz View Post

Am I the only one that thinks the leather-bound metaphor is wrong on a desktop OS? Brushed metal looks great compared to this :|

LOL looks like we all thought the same thing at first look.
post #62 of 78
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

SOT

Since this is Apr 1...

Here's an interesting quote from an analyst:
"I’ve previously estimated that Apple could sell up to 100 million iPad 2s in its first year if supply can be cranked up sufficiently."

The article is here:

Apple’s Ability to Produce iPad 2s

I thought I was way out there -- when I predicted 60 million iPads in CY 2011 (All versions).

We're looking at 40 million iPad 2 (excluding iPad 1) tops, especially with the Japanese situation. I know people are saying, well, this and that components are not affected, but there's a heck of a lot of rerouting and adjustments still to be made in Greater China and Japan across the board.

Apple could easily sell through 3 million iPad 2s a month, it is probably shooting for this. That puts it at 36 million max for the year. If you take it that they are still producing iPad 1s at 1 million a month for a few months for all the non-iPad 2 countries, then we're looking at 50 million iPads total in CY 2011 for all versions.

Anything beyond 50 million just doesn't sound right. My 2 cents. Those blog articles are well, nothing captivating anyway from what little I've read.
post #63 of 78
Vegans will be leaving OS X in their droves! ;-)
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post #64 of 78
Why does this article and everyone else here refer to this as iCal 4.0 when I'm running OS X 10.6.7 and my iCal version is 4.0.4?
post #65 of 78
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Unfortunately a great preponderance of Americans dislike clean, modern esthetics. Most prefer the woody, Early American stuff from 250 years ago. I don't know if Apple uses focus groups, but the presence of wood in the various apps tells me they might have done so. I can't fathom Jonathon Ive signing off on such a thing, but guess it's not really his purview.

Why does everything have to look cold and plain? This isn't minority report.
post #66 of 78
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Am I the only one that thinks the leather-bound metaphor is wrong on a desktop OS? Brushed metal looks great compared to this :|

I think this is horrible look and feel for desktop or any computer app. Come on, we don't use wall calendars any more exactly because we have computers everywhere. It's just silly and gimmicky to do this and I'm honestly surprised Apple would do this.

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post #67 of 78
But why hasn't the Stickies app in Mac OS X been re-named to Notes? Also, could someone please clarify for me what the number badge looks like in Lion? I forgot what it's called but you like when you get new email in Mail or a new IM in iChat it has a number in the upper right hand corner? I wonder if that is unified with the iOS look to it.
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But why hasn't the Stickies app in Mac OS X been re-named to Notes? Also, could someone please clarify for me what the number badge looks like in Lion? I forgot what it's called but you like when you get new email in Mail or a new IM in iChat it has a number in the upper right hand corner? I wonder if that is unified with the iOS look to it.

1) The badges still look different between Mac OS and iOS. I didnt even know they were different until made mention of it.

2) Stickies are a different app from Notes. Stickies backs up to MobileMe, but is not accessible or synced to iDevices. In SL and Lion Notes are part of Mail.app and they auto sync between iDevices albeit with frequent errors.

3) It would be nice if you could have Notes show up in Stickies but I doubt well see that happen any time soon.
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post #69 of 78
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1) The badges still look different between Mac OS and iOS. I didnt even know they were different until made mention of it.

2) Stickies are a different app from Notes. Stickies backs up to MobileMe, but is not accessible or synced to iDevices. In SL and Lion Notes are part of Mail.app and they auto sync between iDevices albeit with frequent errors.

3) It would be nice if you could have Notes show up in Stickies but I doubt well see that happen any time soon.

You would think the badges would look the same. Right? I mean if they are trying to unify the UI.

I understand what you're saying about Notes and Mail. I get notes I wrote on my iPhone all the time in Mail.app
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Why does everything have to look cold and plain? This isn't minority report.

That isn't what modern is today. Try reading a copy of Dwell or Wallpaper or Metropolis.
post #71 of 78
Doesn't April Fools end at lunchtime or is that some sort of unwritten rule?
post #72 of 78
Dislike the 'leather' look -- it's not a desktop calendar, so why would you make it look like one? I love eye candy, but I don't like software to mimic what it is not.
post #73 of 78
So is Apple ever going to improve the To Do List? It totally lacks functionality if you compare it with other 3rd party task app, and worst of all it's pretty useless because it can't sync with the iPhone. I still have to rely on 3rd party paid-apps like Things and sync service like ToodleDo to handle all my tasks. It's a shame that Apple hasn't improved much on their productivity app for business users.

It baffles me though, that all the comments thus far is about the leather UI. Am I the only person in this forum who cares about productivity?
post #74 of 78
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Originally Posted by sideshowlol View Post

I thought the Publish and Subscribe ref was the funniest bit of this. It actually got me for a moment. Went into a time warp or something. Excellent mock-up guys.

Check out the Calendar menu of your current iCal.app
post #75 of 78
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Why does everything have to look cold and plain? This isn't minority report.

Graphic designers hate colorful adornments to windows because they detract from the designs they are working on.
post #76 of 78
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Other minor changes in iCal include the renaming of calendar sharing to "publishing," to better harmonize with the "subscribe" command to access a shared calendar.

Oh, you mean just like in the current version?
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post #77 of 78
Great, this would go great with my faux leather case for my Macbook Pro And to wear a leather jacket and pants just to piss off those vegans for Fools Day.
post #78 of 78
There a lot of people out there who don't like leather (not me though, I've even got a leather bed ), but anyway there are such people and they'll probably not appreciate using iCal with a leather look. Such people can often be found wearing bright woolly jumpers, sandals and Greenpeace badges...

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