Help, I've fallen and can't remember how many countries we are toppling.

Originally Posted by trumptman

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I've got a problem. I guess I've become too aged because I'm starting to lose track of how many countries in the Middle East we are involved in, how many leaders we are toppling and what state or war/non-war we are in with regard to the many instances this is now occurring.

I apologize to my leftist friends. Apparently when they declared Bush was a moron for going to war in Iraq, they meant he was so dumb he could only conduct one war in one country at a time. Barack Obama is so smart that he can remove rulers from half a dozen countries simultaneously!

I also never realized that having the world "respect" us more was code for "you'll respect us or wake up with a horse head in your bed."

It's good times though. The left is no longer angry or concerned about that whole "anti-war" or "peace" nonsense. Seems like most of them are off riding bikes, traveling or just sharing a pint or two while someone else picks up the tab and cleans up the messes.

Why if you can get a few thousand protesters together and declare yourself to be about democracy, Barack Obama might remove your leader as well. I'm pretty sure the only two places this "doctrine?" hasn't been applied is Wisconsin and Washington D.C. I could be wrong though. I mean, it is getting awfully hard to sort out which leaders Obama has demanded resign and be removed and which he hasn't. It was far easier for me to track his March Madness picks, but then they had those nice brackets as well.

Originally Posted by tonton

Bush and Obama have both been in serious error about this aspect of foreign policy. Funny thing is, unlike some people on these boards who praised Bush and who are criticizing Obama, I've been consistent with that belief. I believe this is one area in which MJ and I are in agreement.

Originally Posted by trumptman

NYTimes

I've got a problem. I guess I've become too aged because I'm starting to lose track of how many countries in the Middle East we are involved in, how many leaders we are toppling and what state or war/non-war we are in with regard to the many instances this is now occurring.

The International Coalition Against Terror is largely a cabal of the richest countries in the world. Between them, they manufacture and sell almost all of the world's weapons, and they possess the largest stockpile of weapons of mass destruction-chemical, biological and nuclear. They have fought the most wars, account for most of the genocide, subjection, ethnic cleansing and human rights violations in modern history, and have sponsored, armed and financed untold numbers of dictators and despots. Between them, they have worshipped, almost deified, the cult of violence and war. For all its appalling sins, the Taliban just isn't in the same league."

Arundhati Roy, author

Originally Posted by Fellowship

Nick this is not republican or democrat.

This is not Bush or Obama.

This is globalism.

I for one think as I did several years back as well that America overplays our hand when it comes to foreign policy.

Obama is not change we can believe in.

Obama is a fraud.

Bush was too.

Fellows

Originally Posted by SDW2001

I disagree. Bush was a lot of things, but not a fraud. He made his agenda clear. He wanted to promote freedom and was convinced Saddam had to go. He stood on his convictions despite intense, acerbic personal attacks by the Left and pressure from his own party. Obama, on the other hand, is the grandest fraud of all-time.