Motorola's Android 3.0 Honeycomb Xoom sales forecast slashed to 100,000 units - Page 3

You must mean DaHarder. We're all aware he bought 3 for each family member.

Bullshit.

Just checked online and nearly all have stock.

Astroturfer.

Going full circle, I think DED has used "flummoxed" to describe Apple's competitors pretty regularly going back to 2007.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:....com+flummoxed

I am sure Motorola will use the term "smooth" in describing the Xoom sale.

Has anyone ever seen DED, Steve Jobs, and quinney in the same room at the same time?

He comment may very well be BS, and he comment about being "hemmed in by Steve's idea of what one can or can't do certainly doesnt make him sound legitimate, but ignoring all that its certainly possible and likely, anecdotally speaking, that online availability for the actual product in stores is inaccurate. Whether its an ingenious way to get more foor traffive or inattention to detail which saves money from keeping the systems also unpdated. but it seems to work this way for many large stores.

It's a flop when you develop a product chasing the taillights of last year's product, end up blindsided by this year's product, and end up losing money. Look at MMI earnings: already back in the red after a brief year of profitability when it didn't have to compete against Apple, segregated briefly by Verizon's wing.

The Xoom flopped, the Asterix flopped, Motorola is now in big trouble. That's why they're scrambling to come up with their own proprietary blend of Linux. Google's Android was half the reason both products flopped.

As for BGR, if you want to cry about DED being an Apple fanboy, well the "better commentary" you point to is simply laughable. Choice lines:

"The tablet market is barely a year old and its dominated by a single device Apples iPad."

No, the iPad market is a year old. Tablet market has been around since the early 90s, but nobody has figured it out until now. It's people like BGR's Zach who predicted that the Xoom was going to fare better. They were wrong.

"Motorola has sold 100,000 XOOM tablets in less than a month and a half, which is an average of over 75,000 units per month. Thats a flop?"

Yes, 75,000 * 12 = less than a million units a year. That's worse than the Zune. A flop by any measure, especially for the headlined, ultra hyped, Google-touted flagship Honeycomb tablet. It's a massive flop, bad enough to kill Android 3.0 as dead as the Zune OS. Never mind that 100/2=50 and not 75.

You think that article is "better" because it says what you want to hear. But it is childishly wrong, as are you. Motorola isn't bouncing back or organically growing Xoom sales. It's canceling production orders! It's going to pull the plug 5x faster than Microsoft killed the Zune. It'll be gone before the next wave of Honeycomb tablets begin their drumbeat/dismal/doubt/death cycle.

Apple reports it's earnings on Hitler's birthday?

A coincidence just like the last even just happened to fall on Jobs birthday.

Godwin's Law

This thread is over!

j/k

No, they report them on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre.

Poor droidy looks all green. Maybe he needs CPR!

Don't look at me. I'm not helping it.

... and this is why some people believe the ATF/FBI ended the siege at Waco on April 19th.

... but I digress broadly.

Can't wait for those earnings!

The funny thing that first struck me in the video was the clear reflection of the back of an iPhone4 that the guy used to film his "proof that flash is fast". The 2nd thing I noticed is that it took 30 to 45 seconds to load in the same amount of time in the video. He blames this on his "slow network", but running the same videos on my slow network loaded videos in less than 45 seconds for the whole thing. Either he has a dial up connection or the flash component loads and processes video VERY slowly.

Lastly...who in God's Green Earth did they let create that interface for flash? HUGE ugly buttons that cover a good portion of the video. Funny thing to me was the buttons got BIGGER when he shifted the video to full screen.

Thanks for the video to prove the point that Flash is a dying beast. Much appreciated.

That seems very appropriate, they should put a lock on that idea.

Please know that us apple fans, especially the ones who have been around for a while, are wounded from our past of being MS underdogs.

Now we're relishing in our market dominance and feel good when other companies product sales suck compared to apple's. Logically, there is little threat to apples position - at least for a good while. However apple fans are so wounded that some of us want to completely crush anyone who "might" threaten our dominance - even though lots of us say we like competition - and we do.

We just can't stand the thought of being marginalized again. For me i just want apple to keep their dominance long enough to remain the 1st choice platform of developers for years to come. All they have to do NOW is preload the market with enough powerful machines and that will provide years of a solid (non-fragmented) base market for developers to launch first on apple.

If apple also keeps pushing out APIs/development environments and couples innovative hardware with those APIs etc, it will encourage the creation of one-of-kind, first to apple platform apps that will allow us fans to deservedly puff out our chests and continue to smile down upon lesser brands.

Too bad all those videos play in browser and full screen on the iPad... They are certainly available in HTML5, how do we know from that video they were even playing in flash...

I'm always bemused that people like YOU don't take the TCO into account.

Congrats, you bought a iPhone sans contract and how much did you save on the TCO? ZERO.

Check this out according to the costs we here in New Zealand have to pay on the Vodafone network.

iPhone 4 32GB on Smart3 contract:

3GB data free
120 minutes free
600 texts free

Total: $81.75 + $379 for iPhone = $460.75

iPhone 4 32GB without contract based on Smart3 rates:

3GB data @ $0.11/MB = $337.92
120 minutes @ $0.71/minute = $85.20
600 texts @ $0.20/txt = $120.00

Total: $543.12 + $1328 for iPhone = $1817.12

iPhone 4 32GB without contract:

3GB data @ $0.20/MB = $614.40
120 minutes @ $0.91/minute = $109.20
600 texts @ $0.20/txt = $120.00

Total: $843.6 + $1328 for iPhone = $2171.60

Recap, the prices are as follows:

On Smart3 Contract = $460.75
Smart3 Contract with Full Price iPhone = $1817.12
Off Contract Full Price iPhone = $2171.60

That's based on one month with the phone included, let's total it for two years shall we?

On Smart3 Contract = $2341.00
Smart3 Contract with Full Price iPhone = $14362.00
Off Contract Full Price iPhone = $21574.40

Hmm, I'm failing to see how you save more money by buying the phone outright rather than going on a fixed 2 year contract.

Have you READ Nineteen Eighty Four? I'm picking most people who spout lines like this haven't. Job's control over the user experience isn't anything like the misinformation, manipulation of news, or degradation of the language as is suggested in the novel.

Incidentally, you also didn't read this article because it mentioned how Google has controlled the source code to Honeycomb as well.

Why are people like you continually allowed to be oxygen thieves?

The buttons are controlled by the developer of the Flash container, so in this case it would be CNet that designed those.

P.S. Who came up with the gigantic buttons and forgot to give access to the progress bar in full screen view.. Maybe he can show us the Android equivalent of high screen scrubbing in full screen..

I love technology and competition is good when IT IS GOOD. But no one has been able to pwn the ipad. All I've read is hype. Period.
If Moto had created their tablet from the ground up, design and software, then we could talk. But if you're just trolling off the shelf tech parts and free software, then you're only in it for ME TOO effect.
Apple builds their swag from the bottom up and test the hell out of it. Just look at the fit and finish of the ipad. It is as if everything was chiseled from granite. It all works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get a clue haters!!!

Someone knows a little too much about Hitler. Do you run the Barbie museum?

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This is an example where the owner of the application (Adobe) should provide some sort of guidelines on the GUI ...or even provide them. I find it difficult to rationalize that any developer (CNET) would override a good UI with THAT unless the built in one was worse...

The lack of the progress bar in full screen was entertaining to me as well.

I agree on the line - the problem was they brought them out of the factory well before they were finished. This isn't done yet and thats not quite done and just pack it up and send back so we can finish it up in a month or two. Say what? I wouldn't buy a car with no seats or doors with promise that if I brought it back in in a month or two they could have back in a week or so (and hope the seats are comfortable and the paint matches). Not the kid!

Who's Hitler?

He bought the first Xoom.

BURN!

(Too"That 70s Show"?)

Apple isn't Motorola's problem, HTC, Samsung, LG, ZTE, Huawei, Veiwsonic, Barnes & Noble and everyone else jumping on the Android bandwagon are Motorola's problem.

The death of another American industry at the hands of (mainly) Asian rivals.

I don't think so, like I always tell my wife ...... if you're doing it right .... you don't have to do it often! ...

Using the time travel functions of my iQuantum Mac brain implant, I have brought you back this essay question from an early 21st Century history exam set in 2297.

Someone whose birthday is uncomfortably close to Queen Elizabeth II's birthday, which is why we in Australia, celebrate the Queen's birthday with a holiday in June.

There is actually ONE successful iPad competitor - the nook color. 3MM units sold. Not iPad numbers, but respectable especially compared to 100M units for the much higher hyped Xoom. And I am convinced it is 100% price. Zune made the same mistake - they made a slightly inferior iPod and tried to compete against it on an equally price basis. If you have to pay the same (or more), who is going to buy the slightly (or significantly) inferior product? If you are way late to the game ( like Zune was and Xoom is), give the consumer a great price and establish a presence - THEN worry about making money.

This is what I think the success of the nook color is. It's a great price for a nice device. No iPad, but for $200 it does a lot, and it well made. B&N is probably not making a dime on them but they are staking a claim in the digital marketplace. They are thinking more about where they will be in a few years then making a big splash in the press. Samsung and Motorola could take a lesson from that. Give us a $250 Xoom or Tab, and you'll be a force in the market this time next year.

Exactly, which makes your defining it as a success already pretty funny.


Oh, I didn't either.


Not so much. Given that it's slower than the iPad2 out of the blocks (uh, hardware, though cetainly sales too...) and running a half-finished OS, expecting higher sales numbers would be crazy - as you yourself are now saying, even as you try to spin that as success. This tablet has run into the wall of the iPad and will get taken down by the upcoming Samsung devices***. If Moto is already cutting off the orders, it's going to end up being an unsupported .9-gen Android tablet that couldn't win on specs, price, or software on day 1. It's not a huge amount if you expect support from developers or the company itself even if the number is higher than you could personally produce in your basement.

Of course, if Xoom hasn't been launched globally yet, then they still have a... no, they really don't have a shot. Sorry.

*** And it's not likely that Samsung is going to be any sort of winner there either, just that people looking for a sleeker tablet running Android won't be lining up to pick up the Xoom so it will undercut Motorola even further.


Given your general lack of insight, I can't say that surprises me.

That makes no sense at all -- the division of the company was decided in advance, and was not tied to the release of the Xoom or any product.

Says the jealous director of the Ken museum?

Completely off topic and inrelevant but your post reminded me of this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pS68OlhX_4

Now if I could actually *get* an iPad 2, that would help. The situation in Australia is pretty insane, a friend of mine has been trying for two weeks to get one because he underestimated demand and did not queue up in time on launch day.

That said, I've played around with a few iPad 2s in the past few weeks, and it's great and all that, but the camera quality is pretty low, I have to admit. I might stick with my iPad 1 for a lot longer than anticipated, due to (a) lack of ability to buy iPad 2 and (b) probably sour grapes related to (a).

What is AMAZING is all these other companies still just don't get it. They were banking on Google's photocopy of iOS to save them again, this time with tablets. It's just not happening.

As for Flash, well, we all know the story there. I can hear the fans spinning up on this older Intel Core 2 Duo white non-unibody MacBook as I am typing this. What has Adobe been doing for the past 2 years I wonder. Honestly.

And what is holding back developers from making Honeycomb or other tablet-optimised apps? There seems to be such overwhelming interest in Android development, eg. Google I/O... but why are there so few Android tablet apps?