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'Unstable performance' of Android 3.0 seen as benefit to Apple's iPad

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Tablet makers who craft their own mobile operating system -- particularly Apple and its iOS -- stand to gain from the "unstable performance" of Google's tablet-centric Android 3.0, codenamed Honeycomb.

Sources at upstream touch panel makers indicated to DigiTimes that tablet makers that build their own operating systems, including Apple, HP and Research in Motion, have the best chance of benefitting from issues with Honeycomb.

"Due to Android 3.0 currently still having several issues that are unable to be resolved immediately and which are causing unstable performance in terms of operation," the report said, "HP, which is ready to launch its TouchPad tablet PC with its own OS, webOS, in the second quarter, and RIM, which will soon launch its PlayBook with BlackBerry OS in the middle of April, as well as Apple, are expected to gain from the mischief of Android 3.0 the sources pointed out."

Apple's competitors reportedly had "strong shipments" before the end of the first quarter. But orders for the second quarter of 2011 are said to be not as strong, as vendors are taking a wait-and-see approach to the tablet market.

Meanwhile, Apple has seen a highly successful launch of its iPad 2, while overwhelming demand for the device has forced continued stock-outs at stores across the globe.

DigiTimes restated its inside information that Motorola is apparently not planning orders for its just-launched Xoom tablet past June, as suppliers believe the company is already working on a successor. The Xoom is the first commercial device running Google's Android 3.0 Honeycomb operating system, but a new estimate has pegged its initial sales at just 100,000 units.

Despite the start of the Xoom and apparent instability with Android 3.0, the report indicated that manufacturers including HTC and Acer are still betting big on Honeycomb. HTC's Flyer tablet was originally planned to run on Android 2.3, but was recently switched to 3.0, while Acer plans to launch the 7-inch A100 tablet with Honeycomb in May.
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The only downside is that it may be a short-lived advantage as Android 3.0 matures. It's up to Apple to keep evolving.

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Of course, Palm could keep evolving and it wouldn't make a lick of difference in their fate. At some point, I expect HP to wake up and say, WTF are we doing? And dump webOS.

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uh, why is this news? So you're saying "when a company stumbles, their competitors benefit"? Shocking.
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I haven't read any reviews of WebOS, but I'm curious about how it stacks up. I imagine that any serious Honeycomb bugs will be fixed as quickly as possible. I'm not saying that I would never switch, but I'm pretty much tied to the iPad at this point and don't see any significant advantages to Android over IOS. Apple's iPad success is due to IOS, the apps, the development system, and the entire Apple ecosystem. A few companies could conceivably join forces and challenge Apple in these areas, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.
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Unnamed sources at unnamed manufactuers cite "unstable performance" yet provide no further details. Is there a story here other than that DigiTimes wrote an article?

My friend ordered his Motorola Xoom (yes, it does go on sale in a country other than the USA this weekend) a few weeks ago. Looks like there were a lot of people before him though, as the retailer has informed him that they have had high demand and are delaying his order.

Seems like it's not just iPad that will be hard to find in the coming weeks.
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Tablet makers who craft their own mobile operating system -- particularly Apple and its iOS -- stand to gain from the "unstable performance" of Google's tablet-centric Android 3.0, codenamed Honeycomb.

Sources at upstream touch panel makers indicated to DigiTimes that tablet makers that build their own operating systems, including Apple, HP and Research in Motion, have the best chance of benefitting from issues with Honeycomb.

In theory, yes, but just like Honeycomb they haven't been "tested" in the market yet. The only tablet OS that's been adequately tested and is ready for prime time is - iOS.

So as things stand, Apple gains far more than anyone else.

BTW, I really don't hear much at all about this "unstable performance" issue. Google must have a lot of friends in the media keeping it quiet....
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The only downside is that it may be a short-lived advantage as Android 3.0 matures. It's up to Apple to keep evolving.

The thing that keeps Apple from permanently leapfrogging all competitors is... Apple. Make the iPhone available to ALL cell companies and Android will be lost to the dustbin of time.

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You flip the Xoom from portrait to landscape and it takes so long to change that you can go do the laundry and by the time you come back, the Xoom will finally have flipped the orientation of the screen.
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The thing that keeps Apple from permanently leapfrogging all competitors is... Apple. Make the iPhone available to ALL cell companies and Android will be lost to the dustbin of time.

You mean like the UK, where iPhone is on sale on ALL major carriers, yet plenty of people still buy Android handsets?
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You mean like the UK, where iPhone is on sale on ALL major carriers, yet plenty of people still buy Android handsets?

There will always be poor people. Poor people have existed throughout history. Most people who buy android phones are poor. The average android phone is not the high end phones, it's the cheap ones, and the ones that they give away for free.

Android users are also cheap, because they don't spend much on apps.
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You mean like the UK, where iPhone is on sale on ALL major carriers, yet plenty of people still buy Android handsets?

No, they don't buy them, they get them for free. The day activated my iPhone with 3, I cancelled my previous contract (tatty old sony ericsson phone) that I had had for years with them. I had to activate the phone on the shop, but cancel the contract over the phone. Man!, they begged me for hours trying to convince me to take the free android phone and keep an even cheaper contract. It didn't matter how many times I explained the guy on the phone in India that I had already an iPhone in a contract with them, still he insisted I should take the free android phone, because I was a valued customer!
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Most people who buy android phones are poor.

Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever?

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The average android phone is not the high end phones, it's the cheap ones, and the ones that they give away for free.

You mean just like iPhone, which is given away for free as well?
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Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever?



You mean just like iPhone, which is given away for free as well?

Yes, but the cheapest contract there is £35/month, the Android one 3 was offering me as a "valued customer" was about £12/month or so. I remember because the previous sony ericsson was on a £14.99/month contract, and the offered one was even cheaper.
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BTW, I really don't hear much at all about this "unstable performance" issue. Google must have a lot of friends in the media keeping it quiet....

You probably dont hear about about it much because of the lack of mindshare and public perception of refinement. Apple releases an update negatively affects a fraction of a fraction of a percent of their user base and even remote villages yet untouched by civilization will have someone claiming Apple has lost their way. (Yeah, I know that is an impossible statement)

Anand Shimpi reviewing the Motorola Xoom:
"Elements of Honeycomb do feel rushed however. The stability of the OS/apps, the missing SD card support and random OS quirks come to mind. As a result I'd recommend waiting for at least the first Honeycomb update before pulling the trigger on one of these tablets. Technically speaking, this is performance and not stability:
"Theres definitely room for improvement. The fact that there are still choppy animations within the OS is perplexing, I've asked Google for an explanation but I've yet to get an answer on that one. And its not as is Anand is trying to denigrate the Xoom :
Am I more likely to use the Xoom than the iPad? Yes. The hardware is faster but more importantly, the software is better suited for multitasking. Im a bigger fan of Honeycombs multitasking UI & notification system compared to the double-tap-home and passive notifications you get with the iPad and iOS. I can be more productive with the Xoom than I can be with the iPad as a result. I dont believe Honeycombs UI is perfect by any means, its just more multitasking oriented than iOS is at this point.
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Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever?

That is just my highly educated guess, based on the fact that Android phones are being given away for free along with cheap data plans. This appeals to poor people.


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You mean just like iPhone, which is given away for free as well?

No, I don't mean just like the iPhone, because I clicked on your UK links and the only iPhone being given away is when you choose the absolute top tier data plan for 2 years. That is not for poor people. £60 a month for service for 2 years?

Here's a link from one of your own UK sites, and every single Android phone on this page is FREE, along with the cheapest data plans. That appeals to poor people.

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobi..._androidphones
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Unnamed sources at unnamed manufactuers cite "unstable performance" yet provide no further details. Is there a story here other than that DigiTimes wrote an article?

My friend ordered his Motorola Xoom (yes, it does go on sale in a country other than the USA this weekend) a few weeks ago. Looks like there were a lot of people before him though, as the retailer has informed him that they have had high demand and are delaying his order.

Seems like it's not just iPad that will be hard to find in the coming weeks.

You should probably read some reviews of the Xoom (like this one). Or perhaps some quotes from Google stating that Android 3.0 isn't a one size fits all solution yet and they are withholding the source code. The Xoom is a product that shipped ahead of its time (and not in a good way). At least your friend won't have to deal with sending it back to Motorola for a 4G upgrade since he's getting a WiFi version...

PS: Two things affect availability of a product, supply and demand. The size of the supply for the Xoom is orders of magnitude smaller than that of the iPad. It takes significantly less demand to induce shipping delays on the Xoom than the iPad.

I hope your friend is happy with his Xoom, but if I were considering an Android tablet, I'd wait for a finished product.
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. It didn't matter how many times I explained the guy on the phone in India that I had already an iPhone in a contract with them,

we Indians are not that much poor. we do use iphones and Mac's..


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still he insisted I should take the free android phone, because I was a valued customer!

i highly doubt. some old junk using SE shit is not a valued customer. haha
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You should probably read some reviews of the Xoom (like this one). Or perhaps some quotes from Google stating that Android 3.0 isn't a one size fits all solution yet and they are withholding the source code. The Xoom is a product that shipped ahead of its time (and not in a good way). At least your friend won't have to deal with sending it back to Motorola for a 4G upgrade since he's getting a WiFi version...

PS: Two things affect availability of a product, supply and demand. The size of the supply for the Xoom is orders of magnitude smaller than that of the iPad. It takes significantly less demand to induce shipping delays on the Xoom than the iPad.

I hope your friend is happy with his Xoom, but if I were considering an Android tablet, I'd wait for a finished product.

Haha, you guys are even trying to convince me not to buy Xoom, even though I don't have any plans to do so (or any other tablet for that matter).

As for a 4G upgrade, I doubt he'd be interested in that given that there are no 4G networks in the UK to use it on.


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That is just my highly educated guess, based on the fact that Android phones are being given away for free along with cheap data plans. This appeals to poor people.

No, I don't mean just like the iPhone, because I clicked on your UK links and the only iPhone being given away is when you choose the absolute top tier data plan for 2 years. That is not for poor people. £60 a month for service for 2 years?

Here's a link from one of your own UK sites, and every single Android phone on this page is FREE, along with the cheapest data plans. That appeals to poor people.

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobi..._androidphones

Of all of my Android-owning friends (I reckon there are about 10 that I know of), only one of them doesn't own a HTC Desire or a Nexus One/Nexus S. He has an Orange San Francisco and he seems to be very happy with it.

There must be great shame in selling things to these "poor people" you speak of.
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we Indians are not that much poor. we do use iphones and Mac's..

Well of course! You are terribly business-savy, and get the dough from doing the customer support for all telecom companies in the world! No wonder you guys have the money to spare in expensive iPhones, while forcing android phones down the throats of the rest of us!

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i highly doubt. some old junk using SE shit is not a valued customer. haha

Precisely! That is why he was offering me the android phone! I was certainly not a valued customer!
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I am so poor, that in the past 5 years I have purchased and Used various smart phone running Windows Mobile, Palm and Blackberry. I now am using an Android. My first real computer was a Macintosh and I spend 13 years from 1984 to 197 working with and for apple computer vendors. I understand the loyalty to the brand and I understand the problems inherent with evolving technologies.

After having my hands on an Android for the past 4 months and seeing the previews of the oncoming Android 3.0 Honeycomb, I can tell you that whatever "issues" they are having will eventually be worked out, but in the meanwhile it is by far the slickest most user friendly, OS I have ever had the delight to experience (yes including IOS as well).

I doubt that one technology can "own" the consumer market place for any length of time the way Microsoft has dominated the desktop market, but it seems obvious that Android will be the dominant smart phone platform for the foreseeable future.

I depend on my smart phone to perform time critical tasks that must be performed with no notice and finished on a web app within 30 seconds. My Android does the job, where Blackberry, Palm and Windows were generally only about 50% effective, in accomplishing the same tasks. As for the I-Phone, well I would never even consider it, I spent too many years buying the latest and greatest Apple equipment and in 97 when they released millions of defective computers with the 603e processor and wouldn't own up to it, I decided Apple's idea of brand loyalty is you buy from them at over inflated prices and when they do something wrong and you are paying for it you will be the last to know.

Google may not be any better when put to the test but just the fact that there is an alternative to Apple/IOS ought to be enough to convince million of abused Apple loyal to jump ship
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It's up to Apple to keep evolving.

i find it hilarious when i hear comments like this, "apple has to keep evolving...".

since steve jobs took over the helm, apple has done nothing but innovate and evolvewithout pressure from competitors.

the big difference (imo) between apple's philosophy and its competitors is that apple sees itself as it's only competitor. the others are too busy seeing what everyone else is doing and they're completely missing the boat.

we're already starting to see 'cracks' in the android bubble with developers having to deal with fragmentation of the ios.
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That is just my highly educated guess

Highly educated guess. You should quit smoking that stuff and posting here.
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As for the I-Phone, well I would never even consider it, I spent too many years buying the latest and greatest Apple equipment and in 97 when they released millions of defective computers with the 603e processor and wouldn't own up to it, I decided Apple's idea of brand loyalty is you buy from them at over inflated prices and when they do something wrong and you are paying for it you will be the last to know.

As everybody knows, Apple up until '97 was a complete mess. You jumped ship at the worst possible time. Because right when you jumped ship was when Steve Jobs returned, and it has only gone one way since then, uphill!
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Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever?



You mean just like iPhone, which is given away for free as well?

Dude are you for real? There is no free lunch as one free phone at $50 a month contract (example) does not = to the same free phone at $30 a month. The one with higher contract $ will cost more. Are you really that stupid??
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Honeybomb.

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Android 3.0 Honeycomb, [...] is by far the slickest most user friendly, OS I have ever had the delight to experience (yes including IOS as well).

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As for the I-Phone, well I would never even consider it,

If you haven't even considered it, how can you judge Android is more user friendly. I haven't used android apart from a couple of times playing with a demo unit in a shop. I don't see how I can judge which one is more user friendly. But you, without even having considered iOS, yet alone used it, you can tell which one is friendlier? How did you become omniscient, an app in the android Market, or is it out of pure openess?
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Pretty much agree with most of the other posters. Really not news. Every OS has bugs with every release, no matter how long or how well it's tested. iOS isn't an exception any more than Android is. Thats' why both offer incremental updates between full versions.

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The hardware sucks, the software sucks and the price sucks. I am starting to see a pattern.

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[...] Apple's competitors reportedly had "strong shipments" before the end of the first quarter. [...] The Xoom is the first commercial device running Google's Android 3.0 Honeycomb operating system, but a new estimate has pegged its initial sales at just 100,000 units. [...]

Just 100k? Sounds like shipments were "quite smooth." (Or would that be "quite small"?)

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[...] How did you become omniscient, an app in the android Market, or is it out of pure openess?

The only thing "open" about droid is that Google is openly trying to copy Apple's successful OS model. Yes, any random droid fan can download and 'make' their own private copy of Android. Which they can dick around with to their heart's content. Knock yourselves out.

Google doesn't care about droid hobbyists. But the do care about high-profile developers like Amazon. Amazon could easily create yet another splinter of Android to use on some future Kindle. And Amazon, unlike Google, has tons of content plus at least a hundred million credit card-owning customers in their database.

And most importantly, Amazon has vast experience in actually delivering media and goods to end-users. Something that Google is just barely getting a grip on. So yes, Google wants to keep the Amazons of the world from turning Android into a Google-killer. It could happen.

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Highly educated guess. You should quit smoking that stuff and posting here.

I can assure you that I only smoke premium grade product, when I choose to indulge. I consider myself to be a true connoisseur when it comes to that particular topic.
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I can assure you that I only smoke premium grade product, when I choose to indulge. I consider myself to be a true connoisseur when it comes to that particular topic.

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The only downside is that it may be a short-lived advantage as Android 3.0 matures. It's up to Apple to keep evolving.

Yep, every new OS has significant bugs.

The difference is how they are patched. Apple being the hardware and software manufacturer can release patches at will. Not so with Android as each OEM has customized Android for their specific devices. Hence the longer it takes to fix major issues and get updates.
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I haven't read any reviews of WebOS, but I'm curious about how it stacks up. I imagine that any serious Honeycomb bugs will be fixed as quickly as possible. I'm not saying that I would never switch, but I'm pretty much tied to the iPad at this point and don't see any significant advantages to Android over IOS. Apple's iPad success is due to IOS, the apps, the development system, and the entire Apple ecosystem. A few companies could conceivably join forces and challenge Apple in these areas, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

The problem I found with WebOs in the beginning is that it isn't obvious the way iOS is. While every function of iOS isn't immediately obvious, enough is so that you can work with it from the very beginning of picking it up. WebOS needs instructions in a number of areas before it becomes usable. I think a lot of people picked the phone up in the stores and couldn't figure out how to use it and put it down again, only to find something easier, which they then bought. Unless HP has tackled this successfully, the tablet isn't going to be much better.

Honeycomb suffers from a similar problem from what I've seen myself, and from what I've read as confirmation. It's a lot more complex in the UI than Android, and a number of things work differently. I find it amusing that tech writers don't seem to find this a problem, while several analysts, who are more like the public in their hands on familiarity with technology, find it to be a problem using.

While the iPad's UI is almost exactly that of the iPhone, and so loses a chance of being more sophisticated, its familiarity allows people to use it right away.
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Unnamed sources at unnamed manufactuers cite "unstable performance" yet provide no further details. Is there a story here other than that DigiTimes wrote an article?

My friend ordered his Motorola Xoom (yes, it does go on sale in a country other than the USA this weekend) a few weeks ago. Looks like there were a lot of people before him though, as the retailer has informed him that they have had high demand and are delaying his order.

Seems like it's not just iPad that will be hard to find in the coming weeks.

Just read the Anandtech or the Arstechnica reviews of the Xoom. They'll tell you of all the problems with the OS they encountered. Bugs, instabilities, etc. It's also mentioned on the blogs of well known tech writers such as Pogue, Mossberg and others. Like all things Google, Honeycomb is a public beta that's not called a beta.

Then there's the promised Flash support which still isn't there.
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There will always be poor people. Poor people have existed throughout history. Most people who buy android phones are poor. The average android phone is not the high end phones, it's the cheap ones, and the ones that they give away for free.

Android users are also cheap, because they don't spend much on apps.

That's a pretty broad statement.
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we Indians are not that much poor. we do use iphones

well, truthfully, one of the reasons given as to why iPhone sales in India aren't doing as well as hoped is because the phone is too expensive. Compared to the Chinese, the average Indian is much poorer, and the infrastructure in the country is much worse, and that includes cell tower placement, though it's better than it was several years ago.

It s why the BB, which sells for half the price of the iPhone, Nokia Symbian phones, and many Android phones do better.
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I am so poor, that in the past 5 years I have purchased and Used various smart phone running Windows Mobile, Palm and Blackberry. I now am using an Android. My first real computer was a Macintosh and I spend 13 years from 1984 to 197 working with and for apple computer vendors. I understand the loyalty to the brand and I understand the problems inherent with evolving technologies.

After having my hands on an Android for the past 4 months and seeing the previews of the oncoming Android 3.0 Honeycomb, I can tell you that whatever "issues" they are having will eventually be worked out, but in the meanwhile it is by far the slickest most user friendly, OS I have ever had the delight to experience (yes including IOS as well).

I doubt that one technology can "own" the consumer market place for any length of time the way Microsoft has dominated the desktop market, but it seems obvious that Android will be the dominant smart phone platform for the foreseeable future.

I depend on my smart phone to perform time critical tasks that must be performed with no notice and finished on a web app within 30 seconds. My Android does the job, where Blackberry, Palm and Windows were generally only about 50% effective, in accomplishing the same tasks. As for the I-Phone, well I would never even consider it, I spent too many years buying the latest and greatest Apple equipment and in 97 when they released millions of defective computers with the 603e processor and wouldn't own up to it, I decided Apple's idea of brand loyalty is you buy from them at over inflated prices and when they do something wrong and you are paying for it you will be the last to know.

Google may not be any better when put to the test but just the fact that there is an alternative to Apple/IOS ought to be enough to convince million of abused Apple loyal to jump ship

You're not an Apple fan... you probably never had any loyalties to any thing. Using the Sculley years as a excuse is disingenuous. If you had any balls you'd just tell the true. You're a PC who hasn't any real reason to diss Mac so you make up fantasies to be cool. It doesn't work I see through you. You are a closet wanna be!
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