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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Fully agreed here as well.

People, look at yourselves. I cannot believe the sheer HATE being leveled towards someone so undeserving of it. Steve Ballmer gets better treatment around here.

What hate?

He's a has-been. If Apple wants to make him a mascot and put his face on the Macintosh box, I wouldn't have any objection to that.

But he has proven that he can't keep his mouth shut. That hurts Apple's business and stock price. And his technical skills were out of date 20 years ago. Heck, look at the way he handled the iPad in the video he did. I'm not sure he's even up to date as a computer USER much less scientist.

Just why should Apple spend a lot of money (and you can be sure it would be a LOT of money) bringing back someone who doesn't have any recent experience that would be of value?

No one's saying that they dislike the guy or that he's bad or anything like that. Simply that he doesn't bring anything of value. Why is that 'hate' in your narrow mind?
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What hate?

He's a has-been. If Apple wants to make him a mascot and put his face on the Macintosh box, I wouldn't have any objection to that.

But he has proven that he can't keep his mouth shut. That hurts Apple's business and stock price. And his technical skills were out of date 20 years ago. Heck, look at the way he handled the iPad in the video he did. I'm not sure he's even up to date as a computer USER much less scientist.

Just why should Apple spend a lot of money (and you can be sure it would be a LOT of money) bringing back someone who doesn't have any recent experience that would be of value?

No one's saying that they dislike the guy or that he's bad or anything like that. Simply that he doesn't bring anything of value. Why is that 'hate' in your narrow mind?

What hate?

1. He's a has been
2. He never outgrew the 70's and he hasn't had anything intelligent to say about the market for 20 years.
3. If I were him, I would want to work for Apple too, since all his other achievements and business ventures have been pretty pathetic.
4. all those new Apple Stores, there must be a few brooms around...

I don't think Woz is a good fit for todays Apple either, but that doesn't mean he is of no value in general.

All of the negative comments serve no productive purpose and it sounds like there needs to be some diversity training.
post #43 of 142
I think I just wet myself. With Jobs taking a leave of absence what better time for the Woz to come in for a little continuity. The man is a genius and he knows the brain of Jobs better than most. Sure, he's been away from Apple from some time but has been quite successful in his other endeavors and I think he could take Apple even further. Hopefully he can make the return.
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Good post. My point exactly
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Originally Posted by SleepyCatChris View Post

Seriously though, Woz is like that really annoying uncle everyone has. You love the guy and all, but god damn is he obnoxious!

I only notice him in the news once or twice a year, and the news doesn't dwell on him very long, I really don't understand how you think he's being so obnoxious.
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I think I just wet myself. With Jobs taking a leave of absence what better time for the Woz to come in for a little continuity. The man is a genius and he knows the brain of Jobs better than most.

Knowing the mind of a megalomaniacal control freak does not make one a megalomaniacal control freak.

Which is what Apple needs right now. Woz is too open. He would absolutely not be suited for Jobs' position, but as an engineering consultant? Step on back now, chairperson.
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Originally Posted by cy_starkman View Post

What is with the nasty comments about Woz?

1) There would have been no iDevice, mac or anything else without Woz
2) The guy was in plane crash and got injured
3) As for Segway and a few non starters... ah hem, Jobs doesn't always get it right

Show some freakin respect for your tech elders.

Regardless of what meaningful role he was "asked to fill" it would be a soulful move for Apple. I could see him heading up a skunkworks type thing, exploring new frontiers of tech (would need a tight budget cap). Or more practically championing Apple's opened source projects into the broader OpenSource community. Or heading up an Apple philanthropy program with an engineering education focus.

Who would you prefer picked him up, the Google spam machine?

At last! Someone else with smarts. Once an asset, always an asset. Will it happen? 50/50 chance, it would seem at present. Steve and Steve have become close again with jobs cancer. As well as some other old (early day) friends like Daniel Kotke....study the history of
Apple people. These are not the "guys in ties" type of men! We need their likes more than ever these days with morons like Ballmer and Dell. Windows is shunned by most teenagers; the people who will be running the world in ten-twenty years! You can bet they will not be running it with windows. I agree. Show some respect.
post #48 of 142
Is Great Guy and I very Talented ...and He is loved around the world because of his association with Apple and his own history....
post #49 of 142
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Originally Posted by Nuttan View Post

Once an asset, always an asset.

It's always easy to tell the posters who don't have any experience running a business.

Read some modern management books and learn about management. The fact that someone was good for a startup working in a garage doesn't mean that he adds any value for a multibillion dollar industry leading firm.

I haven't seen anyone who has any rational suggestions as to what Woz would be able to do for Apple today (other than being a figurehead - which might be OK). Does ANYONE really believe that he's maintained his technical skills enough to be able to contribute today?
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post #50 of 142
awe shucks guys, come on let me back in the club house.
post #51 of 142
Funny thread. It's safe to say that NO ONE on this forum has any idea what Woz could or could not offer Apple today.

In my view, he is already serving the only role he could, as a PR dude, with old credentials, and a less controlled opinion.
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Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said in an interview this week that he would consider eating waffles for breakfast if asked.

During an interview in England this week, Wozniak said, "I'd consider it, yeah," when asked whether he would eat waffles for breakfast if asked, Reuters reports.

Seriously though, Woz is like that really annoying uncle everyone has. You love the guy and all, but god damn is he obnoxious!

You joined the forum just to post this?

Have you ever met Woz?
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Pete Best always said he'd return to the Beatles if he were asked. I think he's still saying that....

Best. Answer. Ever.
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... 1) There would have been no iDevice, mac or anything else without Woz. ..

I disagree.

Woz was there because he was the best at what he did at the time, but there were a lot of guys around at the time with similar skills and knowledge. They were able to do what they did because Steve Jobs pushed things.

Anyone who is older or who has worked in creative industries for a length of time knows that those who succeed are not those who are the most talented or skilled. Those who succeed are those with drive, ambition and who constantly push things until they happen. The world is full of artists that are more talented than those who get shows in galleries, and musicians more talented than those you hear on the radio. The ones you know about are just those with the drive and the connections.

We've already seen what happens when Steve Jobs and Apple can't get the top talent in a particular field, they get the next best one and push them harder. If Jobs was unable to have hooked up with Wozniak at the time, he would have found the second best chip guy in the home brew club (or in any of the other enthusiast clubs that existed at the time you haven't heard about because they never became famous), and pushed him a bit harder.

Everything else would have been essentially the same.
post #55 of 142
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Originally Posted by bonklers View Post

once a genius, always a genius ... Please dont bad mouth Steve Wozniak, without him there would be no apple.

Can't agree more.

While I don't know if Woz still has the technical chops to contribute to the current incarnation of Apple, respect should be shown.

Make fun of him after your start-up changes the world.
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

It's always easy to tell the posters who don't have any experience running a business.

Read some modern management books and learn about management. The fact that someone was good for a startup working in a garage doesn't mean that he adds any value for a multibillion dollar industry leading firm.

I haven't seen anyone who has any rational suggestions as to what Woz would be able to do for Apple today (other than being a figurehead - which might be OK). Does ANYONE really believe that he's maintained his technical skills enough to be able to contribute today?

Trying to be evenhanded here:

Both Steves were part of the startup and both were visionaries (in different ways)... but there was a third person Mike Markkula, the businessman who put together the organization and operational structure and populated it with top rate people

Both Steves left Apple and had some measure of success in other ventures.

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple he had refined his talents and had a good record -- but I don't think he was considered a resounding success.

Apple gave Jobs a venue to grow his skills and he did -- but it was a big risk on Apple's part.


As to Woz's technical skills -- by his own admission his best ability was to thoroughly understand all the components of a system, their interactions -- then to get the most results with fewer or cheaper components Sure, Chip technology has changed -- but that can be learned. The other talents that Woz has can't be taught.


I don't see Apple or Woz having any interest in Woz returning as CEO or a major management role -- that's not his interest.


I was close to Apple (1978-1989) and one of the signature attributes they had was "Apple is fun!"

I don't see much of that today, Maybe Apple needs to add a little fun!

Woz is fun.


Others, here, have suggested that Woz could run a skunk-works operation within Apple -- that might be something that would benefit all involved.

Mmmm... didn't the Mac come out of a skunk-works project?
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post #57 of 142
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Originally Posted by SHOBIZ View Post

What hate?

Thanks for the post & defense Shobiz, well said.

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it sounds like there needs to be some diversity training.

It also sounds like 1985 all over, where Apple is SO good they don't need an out-of-touch founder...
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Trying to be evenhanded here:

Both Steves were part of the startup and both were visionaries (in different ways)... but there was a third person Mike Markkula, the businessman who put together the organization and operational structure and populated it with top rate people

Both Steves left Apple and had some measure of success in other ventures.

When Steve Jobs returned to Apple he had refined his talents and had a good record -- but I don't think he was considered a resounding success.

Apple gave Jobs a venue to grow his skills and he did -- but it was a big risk on Apple's part.


As to Woz's technical skills -- by his own admission his best ability was to thoroughly understand all the components of a system, their interactions -- then to get the most results with fewer or cheaper components Sure, Chip technology has changed -- but that can be learned. The other talents that Woz has can't be taught.


I don't see Apple or Woz having any interest in Woz returning as CEO or a major management role -- that's not his interest.


I was close to Apple (1978-1989) and one of the signature attributes they had was "Apple is fun!"

I don't see much of that today, Maybe Apple needs to add a little fun!

Woz is fun.


Others, here, have suggested that Woz could run a skunk-works operation within Apple -- that might be something that would benefit all involved.

Mmmm... didn't the Mac come out of a skunk-works project?

1. What has Woz done for the past 25 years that makes you think that he is competent enough to contribute to a skunk works operation? How does the fact that he soldered some parts together 30 years ago relate to today's computer technologies?

2. Even if he could contribute something, he obviously can't keep his mouth shut - so he'd do a great deal of harm.

3. Even if they could get him to keep his mouth shut and find an area where he could contribute, that doesn't mean he's a good fit. Smart business people have learned that it's not enough to be smart, but you have to fit the culture of a business to be a contributor. Woz no longer fits Apple's culture - not even close. I've passed up good people who didn't fit my company's culture many times - and never regretted it. I did regret hiring a smart person who didn't fit the culture, though.

I'm still not seeing anyone posting anything suggesting what Woz could contribute. All I see is a bunch of people saying "he's a great guy so Apple needs him" without any rational discussion.
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post #59 of 142
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what does segway have to do with woz? He didn't make segway. As far as I know, his only connection to segway is as a customer.

Woz designed the entire Apple 2 (and Apple 1), wrote the Integer Basic programming language it used, wrote the basic interpreter, wrote some of the apps that shipped with it, created it's floppy disk drive. He wasn't a business man or a marketer, but there would be no Apple without Woz. His designs were brilliant and the reason Apple's hardware dominated their competition.

In fact, his computer almost wasn't enough. The next two computer systems Apple released, the Apple 3 and the Lisa both failed and while Macintosh was ultimately a big success, Apple 2 sales carried apple for a while after Macintosh was released.

Woz made millions at Apple, left when after a plane crash, went back to school to finish his degree and volunteers his time as a school teacher. I'm pretty shocked at the comments here. Woz didn't ask to be CEO, which he clearly isn't qualified for and has no interest in. I'm certain he could offer valuable input into the company he helped create.

He's obviously one of the nice guys. But this did come up in an interview, and he did talk about it, however briefly. Therefor, as it's news, there's no reason why we can't give our opinions on it as well. You can be sure that people at Apple have heard of this and have thought about and possibly discussed it at the cafeteria lunch table.

He and Jobs had a falling out, which is why he left the company. Why he now is interested in returning, I have no idea. But it's a legit question seeing as how he said he might be. So it's also a legit topic.

I think that all of us here like the guy, but that's not enough. Apple is no longer the small underdog it once was. And the question of what he could do in an official capacity is a fair one. The world has moved rapidly past the level of his previous engineering capabilities. what would he do there? It's true that he formed, or was asked to join a number of technical companies over the years. Where are they today? I haven't followed them, but it seems as though either they aren't around any more, or he left them. That's not a good record.

Would he be able to serve in some high level management capacity? If so, where? He would be pushing at least one talented manager out if he came back. If they created a position, what would that be? What would be the need? Guy Kawasaki has been an evangelist for Apple decades after he left them, so that position doesn't require working for the company.

I don't see anything useful that he could do there. But maybe we'll be surprised.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Recognizing that he was a key piece of Apple history, I don't understand what Woz's place would be in the current or future Apple except as a mascot or as some other kind of PR fodder.



I don't understand what OS X and iOS being based on BSD Unix has to do with Apple contributing to the greater community.

Apple gives Darwin back to the open source community. They have also contributed some significant code other than what they do there with Darwin. If Apple wasn't basing so much of the software on FreeBSD, it's not likely they would have based Safari on open software either, or a number of other projects, requiring them to give back code.

So it follows that using BSD enables, and requires that.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

We've already seen what happens when Steve Jobs and Apple can't get the top talent in a particular field, they get the next best one and push them harder. If Jobs was unable to have hooked up with Wozniak at the time, he would have found the second best chip guy in the home brew club (or in any of the other enthusiast clubs that existed at the time you haven't heard about because they never became famous), and pushed him a bit harder.

Kind of a chicken vs egg thing.

I heard it differently -- according to Woz's younger brother:

There was some early collaboration among Jobs, Woz and John Draper (Cap'n Crunch) on the Blue Box.

Woz built the prototype for the Apple 1 -- and piqued the interest of Jobs.

I don't believe Jobs was looking to "do" a computer -- rather Woz had created one and Jobs saw the potential.

At the time, Jobs did not have the bona fides or finances to interest anyone at Home Brew -- Woz's computer designs gave standing to the Steves' efforts.
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post #62 of 142
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You joined the forum just to post this?

Have you ever met Woz?

I met Woz, and Jobs, and Gates, and others as well, way back in the days of the Homebrew Computer club. Jobs was always more serious, Woz was always smiling. They were almost polar opposites.

I don't believe that impressions formed back then are terribly relevant now. The only thing I wish would have happened at a meeting that I attended would have been them actively looking for backers. Even then I thought that it would have been an interesting investment. I never thought that Gates would have made it so big though.
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Especially since Jobs' time at the company may be limited in the future, it would be a great morale booster to bring Woz back to the company in some role. I have believed for some time, based on the new data center and the size of the new Apple campus, that Apple eventually plans to move into markets and/or product lines that we haven't even thought of yet.

Give Woz a role in one of those on in some ancillary product and let him also act as a public booster or evangelist for the company. I agree with the poster who thought that a "just one more thing" featuring Woz would be a great thing for Apple. Or fund him to develop Apple-branded iPad apps for education. Or maybe he's given a role to help develop a very-low cost version of the iPad for use in schools only.

If the only thing Woz ever accomplished was the simple floppy drive controller and color graphics on the Apple II, that would be enough, IMO, to write him into the computer history books.

I think most of the comments in this thread are incredibly nasty and probably written by people who have accomplished nothing of note.

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post #64 of 142
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Kind of a chicken vs egg thing.

I heard it differently -- according to Woz's younger brother:

There was some early collaboration among Jobs, Woz and John Draper (Cap'n Crunch) on the Blue Box.

Woz built the prototype for the Apple 1 -- and piqued the interest of Jobs.

I don't believe Jobs was looking to "do" a computer -- rather Woz had created one and Jobs saw the potential.

At the time, Jobs did not have the bona fides or finances to interest anyone at Home Brew -- Woz's computer designs gave standing to the Steves' efforts.

What you're saying sounds closer to what I remember.
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Especially since Jobs' time at the company may be limited in the future, it would be a great morale booster to bring Woz back to the company in some role. I have believed for some time, based on the new data center and the size of the new Apple campus, that Apple eventually plans to move into markets and/or product lines that we haven't even thought of yet.

Give Woz a role in one of those on in some ancillary product and let him also act as a public booster or evangelist for the company. I agree with the poster who thought that a "just one more thing" featuring Woz would be a great thing for Apple. Or fund him to develop Apple-branded iPad apps for education. Or maybe he's given a role to help develop a very-low cost version of the iPad for use in schools only.

If the only thing Woz ever accomplished was the simple floppy drive controller and color graphics on the Apple II, that would be enough, IMO, to write him into the computer history books.

I think most of the comments in this thread are incredibly nasty and probably written by people who have accomplished nothing of note.

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Good post -- especially the tag lines.

"Or maybe he's given a role to help develop a very-low cost version of the iPad for use in schools only."

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I think it would be a great PR move. I mean can you imagine at the end of the Keynote at WWDC in 2012? One more thing... Woz walks onto the stage. Now let your imaginations run wild. I have no doubt the place would absolutely erupt with applause.

One of Woz's greatest virtues is never taking himself too seriously. How about if he dances onto the stage with Karina Smirnoff, his DWTS partner and soon to be featured in a Playboy pictorial. They can repeat the Argentine tango that got them eliminated from the competition. He can be carrying the Next Great Thing, which he proceeds to deposit in the host's (Jobs hopefully) hands. House goes wild - standing ovation - everybody's egos are satisfied - and on with the business at hand.

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I met Woz, and Jobs, and Gates, and others as well, way back in the days of the Homebrew Computer club. Jobs was always more serious, Woz was always smiling. They were almost polar opposites.

I don't believe that impressions formed back then are terribly relevant now. The only thing I wish would have happened at a meeting that I attended would have been them actively looking for backers. Even then I thought that it would have been an interesting investment. I never thought that Gates would have made it so big though.

Yeah! The OP joined AI just to post that Woz is obnoxious -- I doubt he ever met him.

In my few encounters with Jobs, he was always serious, no-nonsence, impatient even -- as if wanting to move on to the next thing on his internal agenda.

Woz was funny, self-deprecating, entertaining -- and kind of overwhelmed by his fame/following.

As to investment... I've often wondered...

My first encounter with Apple was in June of 1978 -- they had just opened their Office on Bandly in Cupertino.

The whole scene was a construction area with: new roads; new buildings; landscaping.

Lucy and I went into Bandly 1 on a Saturday to see if I could buy the Red Book for the Apple ][ -- I had pretty much decided to buy one -- but no computer stores were open on Saturday.

Big open room with a counter at one end. Crowded with about 75 people standing, sitting on the floor, taking delivery of product, checkout training...

It was total chaos -- laughter, fun -- but serious too, Electric!

I remember thinking at the time -- I'd like to be a part of this!

I was going to be 39 and had a very good job at IBM -- but this looked like fun!

... Sigh!
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A few caveats:

I agree some the comments here have been way over the top. He engineered a computer good enough to jump start a revolution.

That revolution was inevitable, just like the development of the automobile was a ultra-logical extension of the engineering and manufacturing infrastructure of the late 1800's and was "invented" independently in a number of locations in Europe and America within 3-4 years of each other. But Jobs was able to leverage Woz's design into a business empire which has literally reshaped not only the technology industry, but (directly and indirectly) aspects of the daily lives of billions. And if the design hadn't been good enough, it never would have happened. Someone else would have achieved "first mover" advantage. So Woz is also part of world history, if a footnote compared to Jobs.

And neither accomplishment will ever come close to being matched by the snipers here.

However, showing respect for elders doesn't mean giving them back the keys to the firearms cabinet they relinquished long ago.

Second, a number of people have associated Woz with the Segway as if (or at least not noting otherwise) he had something to with its invention. When in fact, although the inventor's vision led him to way over-hype how would be received as a retail product for normal folk, it was invented by the technically fantastic Dean Kamen. It borrowed technology from one of earliest "i" monikered devices, Kamen's advanced iBot wheelchair, which "stands up" using gyroscope control to allow the wheel chair bound reach many of the objects they can't with a standard wheelchair.

While Segways have found niche success in targeted applications,TOTAL sales since 2001 (about 50K units) haven't reached the initial sales projected for the first year. Woz is not mentioned in the wikipedia entry for the company. And a search for him on the company's website returns no answers.

So he is likely either lightly compensated or simply just a satisfied user not afraid to fly his nerd flag and the association is simply that he is the most famous person using one which actually helps keep the product in the news. In either case, he is neither responsible for the original product's design or features, nor has he likely in any way materially affected the company's fortunes except as just noted.

Finally, I doubt he needs the money enough to become a "judas goat" for a major Apple competitor. Implying that he would is kind of a snipe in its own right.

His loose lips (i.e., his off the cuff candid comments) have already not sunk, but dinged a few Apple ships. But he's done that gratis over a period of years and from the heart. And has shown he may again at any time, but always with good will towards what he sees as good for Apple.

Ironic fact: "The [Segway] company was sold in early 2010, to a group led by British millionaire Jimi Heselden, chairman of Hesco Bastion, who died in an accident involving a Segway on September 27, 2010." Post-ironic follow-up fact: a pop-over for an initiative called "Segway Safety" comes up during a visit to the site.

The Segway is great fun. I rode one last summer for the first time and it's really quite awesome. I would buy one if I had the cash.

I think Woz would be good for the company. People love him, he has genius tech skills and his views will help balance out those at Apple. Just because he might have opened his mouth about several things about Apple since he left, he had no actual position at Apple. If he were to take an active role, I'm sure it will be different. He will be a great asset.
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But he has proven that he can't keep his mouth shut.

His title would be Vice President of Disinformation.

Main duties include leaking false rumors, (although Woz will think they are true) just to keep the competition flummoxed.

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Love ya, Woz. But if they haven't asked you back after all this time, they never will.
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Again, there would be no Apple without Steve Wozniak. He's the genius who invented the Personal Computer. A one person design that held up for a decade. He talks about open - the Apple ][ was so open that it came with the schematics and ROM listings. Open didn't mean letting other companies build them. Open was about accessibility. Programability. Somehow the programability of computers has been lost. i.e. you shouldn't have to be a software developer to program a computer.

Some want to say technology has passed him by. How do you pass by genius? The only thing that has changed about technology is scale, the logic is still the same. Here's a story about the genius of Steve Wozniak.

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WOZNIAK: The disk design was my most incredible experience at Apple and the finest job I did. I never really knew what a disk controller was or what it had to do. But at Hewlett-Packard I had looked through a Shugart manual to see what signals were used and what they did. There were signals to make the head step in and out and signals to cause magnetic flux changes. It was similar to audio recording, and I knew about that. It was like a signal on a tape where you write it and then you read it back. So I figured out a simple little circuit to write signals at changing rates and read them back. I didn’t know how disk controllers worked, so I assumed that I was doing something totally different. Maybe it wasn’t as efficient, but at least I cou1d write some data and read it back.

Well, Mike Markkula was annoyed because the cassette tape was too slow. He had a favorite checkbook program, and it took two minutes to read in the program and another two minutes to read in his check files. He was complaining about this at a staff meeting, and I mentioned that I had this clever little five-chip circuit that could read and write a floppy disk. At the time, all the existing floppy-disk controllers were 40 or 50 chips, so I knew there must be something important that I wasn’t doing.

I went off and tried to figure out what it was that I wasn’t doing. One of our technicians had a North Star system, so I looked through their manuals. I read their schematics and figured out what every chip did. And I looked through their listings until I understood exactly what they were doing.

I was doing a lot more. I didn’t even have to look at the sector holes, so I could use any disk drive, any floppy disk in the world. It was then that I knew I had a really clever design.

http://apple2history.org/museum/articles/byte8501/
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yeah! The OP joined AI just to post that Woz is obnoxious -- I doubt he ever met him.

In my few encounters with Jobs, he was always serious, no-nonsence, impatient even -- as if wanting to move on to the next thing on his internal agenda.

Woz was funny, self-deprecating, entertaining -- and kind of overwhelmed by his fame/following.

As to investment... I've often wondered...

My first encounter with Apple was in June of 1978 -- they had just opened their Office on Bandly in Cupertino.

The whole scene was a construction area with: new roads; new buildings; landscaping.

Lucy and I went into Bandly 1 on a Saturday to see if I could buy the Red Book for the Apple ][ -- I had pretty much decided to buy one -- but no computer stores were open on Saturday.

Big open room with a counter at one end. Crowded with about 75 people standing, sitting on the floor, taking delivery of product, checkout training...

It was total chaos -- laughter, fun -- but serious too, Electric!

I remember thinking at the time -- I'd like to be a part of this!

I was going to be 39 and had a very good job at IBM -- but this looked like fun!

... Sigh!

I was in my late twenties, but I was in advertising back then and had money to invest. I just was investing in other places, but mostly the computer industry, which is where I had started to invest when I was thirteen, starting with Digital in 1963. So computer investments was my mantra, as it is today. When graduating High School, my friend, and a brilliant computer guy, wanted to start a company with me, in the late 1960's, early 1970's. I declined, as I couldnt see how someone could start a company considering how big even the smallest companies in the business were then. I was always sorry I didn't. He did well for a number of years, riding on the first wave of micro computers, then sold out for a very large amount before the company was bought by another company his was working with. His company was called Pertec. He had gotten some big backers. I could have owned half. Oh well!
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said in an interview this week that he would consider returning to an active role at the company he helped start if asked.

During an interview in England this week, Wozniak said, "I'd consider it, yeah," when asked whether he would play a more active role if asked, Reuters reports.


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Wozniak has been committed to openness since the beginning. In December, Wozniak told reporters that he didn't design the original Apple I to make a lot of money and had given the designs away for free after his former employer HP showed no interest in the computer.


Sure now that Steve Jobs has done all the work fatso wants to come back. Screw him.
post #74 of 142
I, too, will work for Apple if asked. Otherwise, I will continue being a consultant for other high-tech companies.
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Originally Posted by jdsonice View Post

Sure now that Steve Jobs has done all the work fatso wants to come back. Screw him.

It's funny because from now on I'll just laugh at absolutely everything you say.

Did I say funny? I meant pathetic.
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Again, there would be no Apple without Steve Wozniak. He's the genius who invented the Personal Computer.

Aside from the fact that this is a massive exaggeration (there were others developing personal computers at the same time), it's completely irrelevant.

Without Abraham Lincoln, there might not be a United States today. Does that mean we should bring him back from the dead, too?

Wozniak may have been the right person for a startup technology company working in a garage. That has absolutely nothing at all to do with the needs of a multibillion dollar consumer products company.

He could possibly serve as a figurehead - but I can't see a single other thing he brings to the table -other than arrogance and a big mouth. So let them put his picture on the Macintosh box and give him a plaque and a corner office and keep him away from the rest of the company.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I only notice him in the news once or twice a year, and the news doesn't dwell on him very long, I really don't understand how you think he's being so obnoxious.

I'm referring to his sense of humor. The guy thinks it's a funny joke to pull out ceramic knives and disassemble a giant watch that looks like a bomb on airplanes. There's a fine line between funny and obnoxious. IMHO, he crosses that line. Others feel differently. /shrug
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

You joined the forum just to post this?

Have you ever met Woz?

I had an opinion and had to join to express it. What an odd question. Everyone has a first post.

The guy's a public figure with countless appearances in print and video. Why on earth would anyone need to meet him personally to have an impression of his personality?
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I am wondering...could Fusion-io be of some benefit to Apple because of its work in solid-state storage?

See here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/10/f...gious-clients/

http://www.dvnation.com/Fusion-IO-IO...ve-Review.html

Steve could oversee some aspect of computer engineering...storage, flash...etc.
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Originally Posted by tipt View Post

I am wondering...could Fusion-io be of some benefit to Apple because of its work in solid-state storage?

See here:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/10/f...gious-clients/

http://www.dvnation.com/Fusion-IO-IO...ve-Review.html

Steve could oversee some aspect of computer engineering...storage, flash...etc.

Sorry to reply to my own comment, but I was just reading a link about Fusio-io technology and I'm not sure what hand Steve Woz had in it, but he is linked with his own game-changing technology outside of Apple.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Fusi...ss-SSD-Review/
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