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Comments from an industry insider have offered a glimpse at what Apple is expected to announce at this week's anticipated unveiling of the new Final Cut Pro, including potential support for high-speed Thunderbolt ports and the iPad.

The details came from comments by Mark Raudonis, head of post production at Bunim/Murray Productions, who was given an advance look at the anticipated software update. Raudonis's comments were collected by FilmMaker Magazine, and were discovered by MacRumors.

Speaking at the PreNAB Editors' Lounge 2011, Raudonis recalled a famous quote from hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, in which he said he would "skate to where the puck will be" -- a comment also cited in the past by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs. Raudonis said that the new version of Final Cut Pro exemplifies that philosophy.

"Where is the puck headed? Again, I can't speak specifically, but I think the rest of the time here will be very interesting," he said. "File-based workflows, Thunderbolt, iPad, competition, it's a moving target. Adobe, Avid, Lightworks. There's a lot of other stuff out there. And they (Apple) are certainly not ignorant of what's going on in the market at the moment."

He continued: "Apple is very good at going their own way and figuring out where things will be. They may not ask you what you want. They are going to tell you 'We're going to invent something different.'"

Raudonis said he was "very impressed" by the preview of the new Final Cut Pro. He also said that Apple indicated the product will be available in Spring 2011.



In February, one video professional who was given a private demonstration of Final Cut Pro said the new version is a "jaw dropper. he also said it would be a "great year" for users of the Final Cut Pro software suite.

Another report characterized the new version as "spectacular," and said it would represent the "biggest overhaul to Final Cut Pro since the original version was created over 10 years ago.

Apple is expected to announce the new Final Cut Pro on April 12, at the FCP User Group SuperMeet. The anticipated reveal became known because Apple required sponsors of the meetup to cancel their presentations in order to reserve the stage time necessary to demonstrate the next version of Final Cut Pro.
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Final Cut on iPad would be amazing.

Today I realized that the iPad 2 has a faster processor and more RAM than my 2003 desktop computer had. If older versions of film editing software worked on that computer then certainly a custom designed Final Cut could work on an iPad.
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Final Cut on iPad would be amazing.

Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.
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Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.

But being able to use the iPad as a tool to work with video editing software on your main computer would be interesting.

Looking forward to new Final Cut Pro tools. It's about time they get a decent update.
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Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.

iMovie on the iPhone was pretty slick for 3.5 screen and all finger controls. iMovie on the iPad was considerably better with 8x the screen real estate. Surely FCP for the iPad wont have the same features as for Mac OS but if I had to do some edits on the go or something minor Id much rather use iMovie on my iPad than on my Mac. That makes me think there could very well be some real utility to FCP for the iPad.
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But being able to use the iPad as a tool to work with video editing software on your main computer would be interesting.

Looking forward to new Final Cut Pro tools. It's about time they get a decent update.

Imagine if FCP for the iPad and Mac allows for AirPlay access. I think a whole new world of seamless cross-computing could open up.
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Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.

The iPad becomes your control board. The video remains on the computer.

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I am just wondering what the pricing might be like.
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iMovie on the iPhone was pretty slick for 3.5 screen and all finger controls. iMovie on the iPad was considerably better with 8x the screen real estate. Surely FCP for the iPad wont have the same features as for Mac OS but if I had to do some edits on the go or something minor Id much rather use iMovie on my iPad than on my Mac. That makes me think there could very well be some real utility to FCP for the iPad.

I don't think we will see FCP on iPad, we have iMovie which is enough. What I do think would be pretty useful is that FCP on the desktop could access the movies in the iPhone or iPad directly as capture source. Say you are working in the field with a news crew and someone was able to capture some great footage on their iOS, it would be nice to be able to grab that footage without having to email it or upload it to iDisk. Just plug it into the USB (or eventually TB) port, say allow access to FCP and import into your FCP project.

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From what they say on the video either FCP is on the iPad or it can use the iPad in some way. They're talking about FCP having multitouch interaction. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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I thought Final Cut was relatively connector technology independent, as long as the driver is in the OS, you can have USB, Firewire, SDI, HDMI video and audio input/output devices, and I don't see why it's inserted into the story, so long as the OS supports a driver, I would think that Thunderbolt A/V I/O devices would work without having to update the software. What on Thunderbolt would need special support from an application?
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In the not too distant past film was edited by touching it. So editing using a touch screen is really not all that strange. To many old school film editors it might seem more "normal" than just keystrokes, mice, and jog-wheels.
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Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.

Yeah, because you totally understood the role that the iPad will play in this, Sherlock.
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In the not too distant past film was edited by touching it. So editing using a touch screen is really not all that strange. To many old school film editors it might seem more "normal" than just keystrokes, mice, and jog-wheels.

I still have my Super 8 splicer and spool of magnetic (sound track) tape. Those were the days!

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I'd like to see realtime proxy editing on the iPad while raw content is being accessed and rendered on the computer. But being able to use multitouch have useful gestures sounds gimmicky like Tom Cruise in Minority Report, it may or may not better to those who require per-frame based precision editing unless they integrate a large jog-wheel interface on the ipad.
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Marks comments did not AT ALL lead towards iPad connectivity. He was listing a series of general topics that were surely top of mind when Apple was working on the new FCP.

There "might" be some way to leverage the iPad as an input device, but it could equally or more likely be that he was referencing the iPad as a distribution platform.

The tea-leaf reading of the intentionally vague statements made by Mark and Larry Jordan are getting ridiculous.

I'm glad this is over soon.
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Yep, because everyone wants to edit video at 1024x768.

Your pathetic attempts to troll simply belie your ignorance.
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The tea-leaf reading of the intentionally vague statements made by Mark and Larry Jordan are getting ridiculous.

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In the not too distant past film was edited by touching it. So editing using a touch screen is really not all that strange. To many old school film editors it might seem more "normal" than just keystrokes, mice, and jog-wheels.

Very true. Looking forward to seeing what's announced, multi-touch implemented or not.
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I still have my Super 8 splicer and spool of magnetic (sound track) tape. Those were the days!

All the best.

I literally get cramps from repetitive mouse movements in FCPro. I for one would love to have touch interface.
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I literally get cramps from repetitive mouse movements in FCPro. I for one would love to have touch interface.

I would have thought that an iPad would make a brilliant remote for FCP, just as it does Mathematica, that brilliant program for which computers were conceived I believe , in the form of Wolfram Alpha. I had wondered whether iPad 2 was going to have Thunderbolt, however, usb is no doubt quite sufficient in these applications.
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My wish list:

I'd primarily like to see the iPad as a control surface for Color (which will hopefully get some much needed enhancements on filetypes it can use, multi-track control, stability, predictability when sending back to FCP, able to deal with FCP graphics files, straightforward saving, a more Apple like UI, and so on). It'd be really cool if it could bluetooth to your Mac in this mode so you can lean back and do your thing without a wire in the way.

Using iPad as some kind a magic trackpad for FCP with a zoom-able cloned display could potentially be cool, but it also seems potentially messy with shortcut keys and may actually slow you down. Maybe if you have a keyboard attached it'd be ok. A remote desktop version could be neat, but it's the same story there.

I want switching between Studio programs to feel more seamless. Sometimes when I do it I feel like I'm pulling a off a trick instead of following the workflow. Some sort of neat FCP is suspended, Color is Activated popup UI grid would be neat.

I'd like to see Apple pull of some ingenious way to get ahead of the constantly changing RED world, but I have no idea how they'd pull that off. I'd like to be able to just bring RED into FCP easily, using whatever compression options I want (even none) and then do my thing without using any third party programs at all.
Also, support for All RED Resolutions - 4K, 5K 128K, whatever they do.

Automatic Offline for RED/5D/7D footage - it'd be neat if you were able to import and start organizing and editing with this native footage, and somehow FCP were to cook up a ProRes version while you start working, and then it alerts you when its done and easily jumps your timeline over to the offline or ProRes version and back. Or to a third version if you create a high end online different than your original format.

Easier onlining and offlining. Like idiot proof, easy as 1,2,3. If there's issues, have an FCP online issue finder built in.

I'd also like to see a more streamlined Codec list when exporting. And if there's a way to make the computer or the user more workflow efficient when doing all this, that'd be great.

Native MXF support would be a dream. Easy collaboration between FCP and Avid Users. Don't want to kill Avid, just want life to be easier.

Codecs that play nice with other editing programs easily (looking at you HDV). I'd really like an easy way into and back from After Effects.

Sorry so long.
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iPad is a toy. What if I invented an iPad with a foldable internal screen and full size keyboard. What if we called this iPad that runs OS X full version the "MacBook." It does everything a real computer can do, but it's about the size of an iPad. Wow! It would be so great! FCP on an iPad sounds like a nightmare.
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In the not too distant past film was edited by touching it. So editing using a touch screen is really not all that strange. To many old school film editors it might seem more "normal" than just keystrokes, mice, and jog-wheels.

This line of reasoning would also encourage the arguments for touchscreen Macs which so far, just about every Mac person here seems to be against.
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My wish list:

I'd primarily like to see [...] with other editing programs easily (looking at you HDV). I'd really like an easy way into and back from After Effects.

Sorry so long.

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This is kind of ironic. My brother works in the video editing field and I was just talking about this only 5 minutes ago. He was lucky enough to "NAB" a ticket (pun fully intended) literally seconds before they sold out, and he'll be there for the presentation. He was telling me about this radical new overhaul for FCP, and I thought it was kind of weird that I hadn't seen any mention of it seeing as how I check Apple rumor blogs almost daily, so I logged onto appleinsider and sure enough, it was the first story listed.

I guess there's a lot of drama among the industry about Apple's refusal to release any kind of road map for FCP, not unlike their other products, and apparently a lot of people are starting to jump ship to Adobe's offerings. Everyone is pretty worried about this new overhaul because the guy who botched iMovie is the guy now in charge of FCP. I'm not into video editing, and I've never never used FCP or any product like it, but after hearing about all the drama and excitement surrounding this new overhaul I'm pretty stoked to see what happens.

My brother is a diehard Apple guy, but he, along with a lot of other people apparently, are basically giving Apple this final shot to fix a lot of FCP's limitations, or they're going to fully move over to Adobe's offering. (I can't remember the name of heir FCP equivalent, and I'm too lazy to look it up) Tuesday can't come soon enough!
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Is it my imagination or did Apple in times past buy a company that had an image editing program (like Photoshop) that Apple subsequently never did anything with?

Of course they won't, but wouldn't it be interesting if Apple came out with a creativity suite (like Adobe) which competed with After Effects, Photoshop, et al.
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Marks comments did not AT ALL lead towards iPad connectivity. He was listing a series of general topics that were surely top of mind when Apple was working on the new FCP.

There "might" be some way to leverage the iPad as an input device, but it could equally or more likely be that he was referencing the iPad as a distribution platform.

The tea-leaf reading of the intentionally vague statements made by Mark and Larry Jordan are getting ridiculous.

I'm glad this is over soon.

If you watch all 4 videos you will find rhat several of the speakers discuss multitouch input/control for FCP.

This could be:

1) existing iPad
2) new iPad -- say, with TB and Retina
3) new multitouch device altogether

Consider:

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If the FC UI support for multitouch is compelling -- a $2,000 device is a nit!
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Consider:

CintiQ.21UX

If the FC UI support for multitouch is compelling -- a $2,000 device is a nit!

I have absolutely no use for nor would know how to use, but I want it.
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This line of reasoning would also encourage the arguments for touchscreen Macs which so far, just about every Mac person here seems to be against.

No, this line of reasoning encourages having something with a touchscreen (e.g. an iPad as a remote control unit), not necessarily the computer itself. It's not like in the past we all touched the screen.
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This is kind of ironic. My brother works in the video editing field and I was just talking about this only 5 minutes ago. He was lucky enough to "NAB" a ticket (pun fully intended) literally seconds before they sold out, and he'll be there for the presentation. He was telling me about this radical new overhaul for FCP, and I thought it was kind of weird that I hadn't seen any mention of it seeing as how I check Apple rumor blogs almost daily, so I logged onto appleinsider and sure enough, it was the first story listed.

I guess there's a lot of drama among the industry about Apple's refusal to release any kind of road map for FCP, not unlike their other products, and apparently a lot of people are starting to jump ship to Adobe's offerings. Everyone is pretty worried about this new overhaul because the guy who botched iMovie is the guy now in charge of FCP. I'm not into video editing, and I've never never used FCP or any product like it, but after hearing about all the drama and excitement surrounding this new overhaul I'm pretty stoked to see what happens.

My brother is a diehard Apple guy, but he, along with a lot of other people apparently, are basically giving Apple this final shot to fix a lot of FCP's limitations, or they're going to fully move over to Adobe's offering. (I can't remember the name of heir FCP equivalent, and I'm too lazy to look it up) Tuesday can't come soon enough!

"the guy who botched iMovie is the guy now in charge of FCP"

That guy is Randy Ubillos who wrote FCP.

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I have absolutely no use for nor would know how to use, but I want it.

Me first, Me first.. where can I preorder?
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I literally get cramps from repetitive mouse movements in FCPro. I for one would love to have touch interface.

Why are you using a mouse? Get a tablet dude, they eliminate cramps and carpal tunnel.
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The 3D guy in the preNab video mentioned a new type of dynamic, personalized content that was shown in a demo -- truly a disruptive technology.

It is all done in HTML5, but requires a Chrome browser.

The site is here:

The Wilderness Downtown

It is certainly worth a view.


It is related to this thread, in that some feel the whole industry of video content creation and post processing is going through dramatic change.


One interesting thought I had was: This dynamic content generation is done with HTML5 -- I don't know how you'd even approach doing this with Flash.
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Well, the hockey puck could be the trend in computing, and it seems the iPad is where it will be going, so using an iPad as a controller-input device would be really cool. It would also make a nice little monitor out in the field.The future iPads are only going to be more powerful and Apple seems to have a nice edge in tablet graphics. I bet it could be pretty interesting in the next few years. What if the iPad's gyro could be used for controlling viewing angles in a CGI environment. I admit, I have no idea how FCP works, but I can only imagine some cool possibilities. I'd bet that until recently, it was not feasible for the "screen" to actually be used to "move the camera." It may not even be possible yet, but likely very possible in a few years.
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does this mean we will get new Mac Pros?
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Way to use the two most over-used business/life/technology quotes ever uttered.
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Good chance of IMAC getting an annoucement of a refresh at the Final cut Pro event. After all what better machine to go along with the Final Pro update and how appropriate it would be. Lastly how many Apple customers would be enthused that the wait is over.
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I don't think we will see FCP on iPad, we have iMovie which is enough. What I do think would be pretty useful is that FCP on the desktop could access the movies in the iPhone or iPad directly as capture source. Say you are working in the field with a news crew and someone was able to capture some great footage on their iOS, it would be nice to be able to grab that footage without having to email it or upload it to iDisk. Just plug it into the USB (or eventually TB) port, say allow access to FCP and import into your FCP project.

This is more what I’d expect from FCP for iPad. Not a replacement or standalone app, but more of an accessory app for certain tasks. Will Lion have native AirPlay access?

Adobe is updating Photoshop CS5 with a new architecture that will allow it to speak to iOS, Android and Blackberry tablets wirelessly. Called Photoshop CS5 Extended, the free update has plugs that allow third-party applications to communicate directly with it in real time.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5790662/these-a...hop-touch-apps
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But being able to use the iPad as a tool to work with video editing software on your main computer would be interesting.

Looking forward to new Final Cut Pro tools. It's about time they get a decent update.

Exactly. If anything, they'll use the iPad as a control surface. It eliminates clumsy key commands and allows gestural input.

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