Originally Posted by anonymouse
Sun's/Oracle's IP in Android, does that count?
We'll try applying logic here. Not that I think you'll get it. It's just an object lesson for the others.
Sun/Oracle's IP: You mean the lawsuit that hasn't been settled yet? Like the HUNDREDS Apple and any other profitable company is fielding right now? If Google is guilty of stealing that IP, then Apple is guilty of the same, since they're also being sued.
Wouldn't it be better if they had a way to decide if accusations like those were factual or not? Like a court system where companies could be found to be "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" based on the evidence? Why can't we have something like that?
. It's been active since at least 2000:http://replay.waybackmachine.org/200...n/privacy.html
Which is pretty darn close to when the website was founded.
The PR "Nightmare" as you call it was largely over specific applications, such as Buzz that had opt-out social networking instead of opt in. This was a mistake, obviously.
Yes, they've recently made a big deal about it (posting links to it everywhere) but they've hardly "Hidden" it and it's in a lot plainer english than most privacy policies are.
Does it count that all their talk about Android openness is now clearly shown to be the total BS that it always was?
You mean the FUD that people were spreading based on the talkings of various suppliers, none of them speaking on the record? The rumblings that Andy Rubin talked about in his blog post (one that even AI ran a story of)
If they withold whatever their "I" source is after announcement, then you have a case. What Honeycomb is is a blunder, a big one yes, but not a sign of them "Changing" policy. If you think otherwise, please provide EVIDENCE (note: Your ramblings do not count)
Does it count that they were snooping on people's WiFi networks? (Inadvertent? Yeah, they inadvertently got caught.)
Oh, so you have proof that they were snooping intentionally? Really now. You'd think that something like that would be big news and they would STILL be attacked over it.
Did their system gather information? Yes (Provided the person had their network unsecured)
Was it intentional? Not according to what Google says. But since you don't believe them, then how about the courts? NONE of them have said that this was an "Intentional" information grab.
Now, I would ask for you to refute this. To provide evidence to back up what you say. But that's impossible for you. Instead you'll say it's a "Pathetic attempt" (without mentioning any specific points) and find at least three "Creative" (to you) ways to call me an astroturfer.
It's clear that there are only three types of people online in your mind:
1- Normal people: "People who think exactly like me and think that Apple has their best interest at heart."
2- "Trolls": Anyone who disagrees with me, or questions apple (It it, after all, the same thing)
3-Astroturfer: "A Troll who gives linked articles and images to back up what they say. Since it's clear that only normal people, like apple fans, would take the time to link things, these trolls must be paid by other companies."
So instead of wasting my time, hoping for some form of a coherent argument from you, I'll instead use the handy little "Ignore" button that AI's provided. Granted, I should've used it months ago. But call me an irrational optimist, who thought that just maybe it was possible to have a conversation with you, if only I found the right approach. My bad.