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Perhaps you're right, but in denying a very precise sense of allegory I think he was also making a case that LotR would have been the story it became, wars or not. And that's not entirely honest. He did not want people saying, "Well, obviously Sauron represents Hitler!" or something stupid like that, I think. And yet particular qualities are embodied by characters and races in a highly allegorical way. Did he disguise one objection for another? I think maybe he did. Perhaps I mis-spoke nonetheless, for Tolkien has something very specific in mind when he rejects allegory (to program the story explicitly to communicate a moral/morals through representative symbols?) and perhaps does not mean to give the impression that he also denies the effects of the great wars on him/his work, when he only really claimed it was not "representative of X", not that X hadn't influenced him/coloured his work.

hmmm... Tolkien geeks? Answers?

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Just saw the TTT.

Another great installment. Effects have become much cleaner and Helms Deep was amazing. The stomping Urek-Hai and war machinery. Theoden's recovery was Majestic. Grima is as slimy as as the book suggests. Dourif does a great job.

I'm not sure they pulled of the Ents as good as many who read the books will like. Those scenes seemed to drag on and slow the continuity down. Aragon and Arwen scenes were very tasteful and actually much more powerful than I imagined. Elronds scene with Arwen is packed with emotion and some great scenery.

Faramir got the short end of the stick. Due to changes in the script(Osgiliath) he, to me, came off as somewhat cold and callous. In the book Faramir is known as the more level headed Brother and this movie sort of defies that.

Loved the fight scene with Orcs and Urek-Hais on Isengard Wolves. Legolas does a mount move that you've just gotta see.

Gollum is not bad CG. CG is difficult in Day scenes and Gollums expressions and mannerisms are very nice IMO. They didn't distract from the movie..his schizophrenia might but not his CG

Eowyn....oh how I wish they would have done this one right. Miranda Otto is a very fair maiden but if you're read the book you are expecting for her "War" side to come and it never does. Nor does the scene in which she smites a Dark Lord on the Battlefield.

Peter Jackson did a great job but I can't help but think that he missed on great opportunites to show Gimli, Legolas and Aragorn travelling through the Black Forest&lt;?? can't remember name&gt;

Nor was there any linkage between Pippin and Merriadoc. It's as if they're forgotten and unimportant. To the casual person they wouldn't know that Aragorn, Lego and Gimli know they're alive.

Samwise's speech at the end is out of character. Samwise is not known for oratorical skills Frodo is so to any book readers this seems really odd.

If you liked LOTR ..see this one. Action packed and more characters and beautiful sets to enjoy. I might go see it a couple more times!
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