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Apple's iPhone 5 will feature "slight modifications" from its predecessor, including an 8 megapixel rear camera and a Qualcomm baseband for both GSM and CDMA models, and will go into production in September, a new report claims.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo with Concord Securities issued a note on Monday offering alleged details of the next iPhone. His checks with supply chain sources indicated that the next handset from Apple will not feature an all-new-design, but rather only "slight modifications" from the iPhone 4.

Specifically, Kuo has heard that the iPhone 5 will include the faster A5 processor already found in the iPad 2, as well as a higher resolution 8 megapixel rear camera. He has also been told that Apple will switch to a Qualcomm baseband for both GSM and CDMA models, along with an improved antenna design.

Kuo has also been told that the new iPhone will go into trial production in August and mass production in September, allowing Apple to reach shipment volumes of between 28 million and 32 million units this year. That would align with previous reports that have indicated Apple plans to make its new iPhone available for sale later than usual this year, likely in Apple's next fiscal year beginning in October.

The earthquake and tsunami disaster have reportedly resulted in constrained supplies for Apple, which plans to focus components toward building the new iPhone 5 later this year. As a result of those component shortages, Kuo said to not be surprised if a new fifth-generation iPod touch is not announced as usual in September this year.

Kuo's report also presumes that Apple will unveil its fifth-generation iPhone at this year's Worldwide Developers Conference, scheduled for June 6 through 10 in San Francisco. However, other reports have indicated that Apple does not plan to introduce any new hardware at this year's event, choosing instead to focus on iOS 5 and Mac OS X 10.7 Lion software.

In addition, if Kuo's information about production in September is correct, it is highly unlikely that Apple would announce a new iPhone in June, three months before the device is even scheduled to be built in large quantities.

Regardless, Kuo said he believes the "main selling point" of the iPhone 5, due to its similar design to the iPhone 4, will be the new iOS 5 mobile operating system. Kuo expects a more dramatic hardware change to the iPhone in 2012 when the presumed sixth-generation model will arrive.

Kuo said he has heard that Apple plans a new design and greatly improved hardware specifications for the sixth-generation iPhone. Sources have also indicated that the device could go on sale in the first half of 2012, an earlier-than-usual date due to "fierce competition" with Google's Android mobile platform.

In January, Kuo correctly claimed that Apple's iPad 2 would feature the same 1024-by-768-pixel display as the first-generation iPad, and that it would use the same cameras as the iPod touch, which are of lower quality than the iPhone 4.

Kuo also said in March that Apple was set to begin production of the white iPhone 4 and ship the device in April. Last week, numerous reports confirmed that Apple will make the white iPhone 4 available for sale in the "next few weeks."
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Hope the delayed iphone ends up like the expected to be delayed ipad 2, ie shows up on time or early.

Still they're probably going to be proved accurate, this is going to screw up my and i'm sure many others' upgrade cycle. :-(
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Hope the delayed iphone ends up like the expected to be delayed ipad 2, ie shows up on time or early.

Still they're probably going to be proved accurate, this is going to screw up my and i'm sure many others' upgrade cycle. :-(

I'm due in Nov. I'll just wait til iP6 comes out if its just a small hardware upgrade. Perfectly happy with my iP4.
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A bigger screen would be top of my wish list for iPhone 5. When I see people with Android phones with giant screens, my iPhone 4 looks a little old school...
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"Apple will not feature an all-new-design, but rather only "slight modifications" from the iPhone 4."

i.e., they'll all be white.

I've heard rumors re contextual navigational icons that would appear on the bezel, using e-ink (like the Kindle's screen) so they look as if they were 'printed' on, but as I say would only appear as needed. Sure would like to see that idea coming along, it's a great and important UI development. (If it's true, that is.)

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A bigger screen would be top of my wish list for iPhone 5. When I see people with Android phones with giant screens, my iPhone 4 looks a little old school...

What I described above could be a way to expand the screen's functionality without changing the overall form factor (which I think Apple is more or less locked into for the time being).
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Can I just point out that this source, just like every other, gives me every reason to believe that they are liars who make things up.

Why such a harsh accusation? The same exact source in the same article makes the following two statements:

1. iPhone 5 won't go into mass production until September.
2. iPhone 5 will be introduced (aka shown off) at WWDC in June.

Um, hello????? Think McFly, think.

Can anyone ever imagine a scenario where Apple announces the iPhone 5 at wwdc as expected, and then says it will be available in 4 - 6 months? It's so completely impossible that I have to believe that this source is among the most unreliable garbage I've ever heard.

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Sounds about right to me. The iPhone 4 is still the best looking and best constructed phone out there; so no need to dramatically change the exterior. A slight size increase for the screen (so it's pretty much edge to edge) would be nice, but not a must have for me. I haven't really seen any of these massive screened Android phones in London (must be a Yank thing -- go with your super-sized everything else!), so nothing to compare it to.

I see the next iPhone being more akin to the 3G to 3GS move. Apple's all about refinement and evolution -- not massive changes each release.

I also agree that the big change is going to be iOS 5. That NC data centre isn't for storing Apple's sacks of cash in!

As for the iPods -- having an iPhone quality screen in the Touch would be good (despite being 'Retina', it's a much lower quality item), and maybe a tiny video orientated camera in the Nano. Can't see the nano getting any smaller!
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I certainly hope the Iphone 5 has LTE support. If they just have GSM/CDMA that is not going to cut it
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A bigger screen would be top of my wish list for iPhone 5. When I see people with Android phones with giant screens, my iPhone 4 looks a little old school...

Once the iPad is also phone, then it won't look small next to the Android's

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One thing is for sure - the iphone will be making some BIG leaps soon, as it will have no choice. finally others are jumping ahead of the iPhone in some area's, and so Apple will not have much choice but to leapfrog others to get the lead again ; imo

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I certainly hope the Iphone 5 has LTE support. If they just have GSM/CDMA that is not going to cut it

LTE is not important outside the US
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" Sources have also indicated that the device could go on sale in the first half of 2012, an earlier-than-usual date due to "fierce competition" with Google's Android mobile platform."

White iPhone 4 end April 2011, iPhone 5 Sep/Oct 2011 and iPhone 6 1st half 2012? The only way I can see this working is if iPhone 6 is for a different market, say entry-level. Even that doesn't sound right as the "previous" iPhone becomes the entry-level model up to today...

The "other" smartphones, offer a variety of form-factors that Apple does not- with fixed or sliding keyboard, smaller size, different camera resolutions, memory, etc. It seems Apple does not want to go there, though they did with the iPod line, so who knows? A non-smart iPhone (iPhone nano?)? Just for calls and music/videos? Don't see the point, and it would HAVE to be like a previous Nano size.

Where I live (Cyprus), there is no iTunes store, and there are lots of other countries without one too, some considerably bigger. There's plenty of iPhones around, but I wonder if the availability of an iTunes store in more countries, would increase market penetration. And reduce jailbreaking...

Of course, should iTunes continue to be the link to an iPhone is a different thread altogether...
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I still can't imagine this "Sept iPhone 5" scenario.

The Apple Stores near where I live are having dead space for a few weeks already. By that I mean the iPhone 4 area, people would only go to buy MacBooks or iPads so the iPhone area is basically dead. I don't see how AAPL could afford to have a few more months like this.
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LTE is not important outside the US

No, but it is important here. The speed difference is huge, and I don't think Apple should wait an additional year to make an LTE phone when Android LTE phones are already starting to ship. I'm thinking iP5 will have an LTE chip in it, but if it doesn't I am going to trade in my iP4 for a Bionic.
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It's not surprising that this might be a more incremental release with the same general look, that's happened before with 3G/3Gs. This report doesn't really tell us anything that wasn't already claimed in the past week or two.

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Can I just point out that this source, just like every other, gives me every reason to believe that they are liars who make things up.

Why such a harsh accusation? The same exact source in the same article makes the following two statements:

1. iPhone 5 won't go into mass production until September.
2. iPhone 5 will be introduced (aka shown off) at WWDC in June.

Um, hello????? Think McFly, think.

Can anyone ever imagine a scenario where Apple announces the iPhone 5 at wwdc as expected, and then says it will be available in 4 - 6 months? It's so completely impossible that I have to believe that this source is among the most unreliable garbage I've ever heard.

A June announcement with a September release is three to nearly four months, I don't know how you arrived at six as your upper bound. That's not completely unprecedented, the first iPad was two to three months, depending on the model, the first iPhone was announced about six months before release. What makes this different is there is already a product in the market, three months is stretching it with their previous product still on the market, at least with Apple hardware. Still announcing it in June might help them if they need to explain why they're breaking the 12 month cycle or at least to reassure buyers and stock holders that there's nothing wrong.

That is all assuming there is any truth to this, it may all be 100% hot air and they'll release iPhone 5, 4s or whatever late June or early July like usual.
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I have a really hard time believing any of this... and I have to wonder if all analysts are just following each other's BS.

Would they really cover iOS5 and then not mention the iPhone 5 at all? It just seems weird. If it wasn't brought up during the announcement, surely it would be brought up in the Q&A. Apple knows that not releasing the iPhone 5 at it's usual time will cause a stir - and I just don't see them skipping over it like a September release would be normal.

And then releasing an iPhone 6 only 6 months later?

This whole thing reeks of BS.
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Heavy focus on iOS and Lion at WWDC seems likely.

I don't think think there will be any preview of the next iPhone - but I do expect that various information contained in the iOS code will hint at coming changes to the hardware.

An iPhone 5 or iPhone 4S with dual core could well happen.

While LTE will be important - it will not be widely available till late 2012 I think. So the question is would Apple want to be selling a product before the infrastructure is there to support it, what's that, they already have, oh, right.

For me personally it would be nice to know in June what sort of new product is coming - I am considering an iPod touch for my son - but if a new iPhone is sufficiently better than the iPhone 4 that I have then perhaps I will upgrade early and give him the phone instead of a touch.
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Regardless, Kuo said he believes the "main selling point" of the iPhone 5, due to its similar design to the iPhone 4, will be the new iOS 5 mobile operating system. Kuo expects a more dramatic hardware change to the iPhone in 2012 when the presumed sixth-generation model will arrive.

I wonder what features the iPhone 4 will miss out on with iOS 5 then...I hope it doesn't become painfully slow like the iPhone 3G/Touch 2'nd gen running iOS4.
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Absolutely perfect for me !

I'm due for an upgrade and a proven design with slightly upgraded camera and, hopefully, antenna sorted out is exactly what I need.

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Whilst it is beginning to make sense that supply constraints will push the iP5 back by 3 months, I can't believe iP6 will be out 6-9 months later. If fierce Android competition is present then Apple would not be waiting till mid 2012 to do something about it.
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LTE is not important outside the US

and we are not just talking Verizon or Sprint, AT&T is trying to buy TMobile for that very reason
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I wonder what features the iPhone 4 will miss out on with iOS 5 then...I hope it doesn't become painfully slow like the iPhone 3G/Touch 2'nd gen running iOS4.

I don't think a lot. The next iPhone, which I think will be released this summer as usual, will probably have A5, HD FaceTime front camera, HSPA+, and better back camera. The current form will most likely be the same. What is interesting is that Apple usually release iOS x.0 first developers beta around March and early April. It seems to me that Apple is redesigning many aspect of iOS UI with this next major update.
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Man this is all taking so long already, I know you can't take anything these analysts say for truth, but it's slowly starting to look a lot like we're not going to see an iPhone 5 before October, and it's also starting to look like it's going to be more like an iPhone 4S.

If this turns out to be true, and the iPhone 5 is 'just' the iPhone 4 with a faster CPU and a slightly bigger screen, *and* it is not going to be on sale before October, I might just give up on it altogether and stick with my 3GS until the iPhone 6 drops. I'm already stretching my upgrade cycle by 4 months if I have to wait for somewhere in December before I can actually buy the iPhone 5 (EU launch normally trails US by 2 months or something), so if the iPhone 6 might land in June 2012 and will be a bigger upgrade, maybe I should just skip the 5 altogether
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The only reason I can think of Apple having such a long delay between an iPhone announcement and its release is because they will introduce a new display size which will require a new SDK and rewritten apps. Other than that it seems unlikely.


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No, but it is important here. The speed difference is huge, and I don't think Apple should wait an additional year to make an LTE phone when Android LTE phones are already starting to ship. I'm thinking iP5 will have an LTE chip in it, but if it doesn't I am going to trade in my iP4 for a Bionic.

Ill take HSPA+ over LTE.


Which LTE chips will fit in the iPhones 4 casing? How will that affect battery life? Your Moto Bionic is a(4.96 in x 2.63 in x 0.52 with a 1930mAh battery but I bet an iPhone will get a much longer battery life.
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"Slight modifications" and a number change (4 to 5) rings hollow to me. It seems inconsistent with past practice. People expect something big as when the iPhone went from 3GS to 4. If the changes are slight I could see a 4.1 or a letter or letters to serve the same function. To trumpet an iPhone 5 with all the attendant publicity for only slight modifications would look pretty lame.
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I don't think a lot. The next iPhone, which I think will be released this summer as usual, will probably have A5, HD FaceTime front camera, HSPA+, and better back camera. The current form will most likely be the same. What is interesting is that Apple usually release iOS x.0 first developers beta around March and early April. It seems to me that Apple is redesigning many aspect of iOS UI with this next major update.

That's what I'm thinking as well. I know last year with iOS 4, the first leaks were already starting to appear around March, with .plists referring to the multitasking and such. Obviously iOS 4 was in the hands of some select developers under extremely strict NDA back then, even before it went public for all registered iOS developers in April. Now, with iOS 5, we're already halfway into April, and there is *no* information *whatsoever* about iOS 5. No leaks, no hints, no speculation, nothing. I sincerely think the only people who know about iOS 5 right now, are people working for Apple. They will start handing out beta's to the most valued iOS developers under NDA before they announce iOS 5 and release a 'public' beta, and that's when we'll see the first leaks, after that they will announce it at WWDC in June, then we'll have the usual 2-3 months of beta's, and in September we'll see a final release, possibly together with the iPhone 5 announcement.

So all this appears to hint at either a longer development cycle, or a much more paranoid secrecy around iOS 5, which to me is a hint iOS 5 will be a major overhaul. At the very least I expect a new notification system.
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"Slight modifications" and a number change (4 to 5) rings hollow to me. It seems inconsistent with past practice. People expect something big as when the iPhone went from 3GS to 4. If the changes are slight I could see a 4.1 or a letter or letters to serve the same function. To trumpet an iPhone 5 with all the attendant publicity for only slight modifications would look pretty lame.

I agree. Slight modifications would lend itself to a 4s moniker. But I hope they do not do this. I want a full-fledged iPhone 5.

Normally I would say that I really doubt Apple would do a complete redesign since the iP4 has been out less than a year. However, I could see Apple going ahead with a redesign this quickly in order to erase the real and perceived antenna issues of the iP4. I think the bad review from Consumer Reports is really eating away at them and they want to eliminate this asap. And, if this redesign is happening, it would certainly explain the launch delay until September/October. They want to make sure to get everything right, so more time is needed than the usual year time frame.

At least this is what I am telling myself. Either way, I need a new phone badly, so let's get this show on the road Apple.
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I'm beginning to think that IF the iPhone 5 is delayed until Fall, it will be tied in to iOS 5 and whatever services that huge datacenter will be providing. Along with rumors of the iPod Classic/Nano getting wifi and that old rumor of an iPad2.5 in the fall, that Apple will be introducing something that will tie everything together in amazing ways... If not, then my track record will be as good as any of these other analysts...
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"Slight modifications" and a number change (4 to 5) rings hollow to me. It seems inconsistent with past practice. People expect something big as when the iPhone went from 3GS to 4. If the changes are slight I could see a 4.1 or a letter or letters to serve the same function. To trumpet an iPhone 5 with all the attendant publicity for only slight modifications would look pretty lame.

I don't think Apple will call it 4-anything. Even if the technical changes are minor, they will call it the iPhone 5 for marketing purposes if nothing else. Those of us who are more technically savy will know it's lame, but the vast majority of the sheep, er, I mean people, will believe whatever Apple tells them.

There was really no competition when the 3GS came out, so so letting it appear as an incremental upgrade wasn't a big deal. But if "4" stays in the name this time around it will be harder for Apple's marketing machine to convince us all how magical it is as compared to all the other options that will be available.
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No, but it is important here. The speed difference is huge, and I don't think Apple should wait an additional year to make an LTE phone when Android LTE phones are already starting to ship. I'm thinking iP5 will have an LTE chip in it, but if it doesn't I am going to trade in my iP4 for a Bionic.

Great, enjoy your LTE data speeds and your 4 hours of battery life. If the HTC thunderbolt is anything to go by, the initial crop of LTE phonesis mediocre at best. Apple, per usual, won't be including a tech just for the sake of saying they have the latest and greatest if it affects the entire experience. I don't know about you, but a few extra megabits per second of data transfer is not worth the excellent battery life the iPhone 4 gets now to me. Just like they did with 3G, they're going to wait until the chipsets and the networks are mature. I'm guessing iPhone 6 in 2012.
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I stopped reading this article when an iPhone 6 was mentioned.
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I certainly hope the Iphone 5 has LTE support. If they just have GSM/CDMA that is not going to cut it

Here in the US there are maybe a dozen places with firm LTE carrier support at the moment, perhaps 3 times that by Sept. But otherwise it is a no go for like 90% of the country. Apple won't include a tech with that lack of support.

The best you can hope for this time around is a single phone with both bands and the software tech to switch between the two companies. Plus perhaps the ATT side being factory 'never locked' at last. Although they will probably put nasty strict buying rules up to stop resellers. Or perhaps they will be locked but you can finally get it unlocked after the first six months of being on contract or some such.

As for the whole WWDC stuff. I say that is true. They will NOT announce the iphone at WWDC. They will be returning that event to the focus it was created for -- their software. But it doesn't mean they won't be announcing it in June. There will be 3 weeks after that where they can host a home media event, post a video on their site etc. Hell they could still do it that week, that opening day even. Just not AT the software event. Randy etc could be at WWDC and Stevie could be on campus with the media to talk about hardware and the bits of iOS that the users will want to know about because it directly effects them.



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I'm beginning to think that IF the iPhone 5 is delayed until Fall, it will be tied in to iOS 5 and whatever services that huge datacenter will be providing.

I disagree. If the iphone 5 is delayed I think it will be due to forces outside of their control. Not iOS 5 and whatever. There is no sacred law that says that the iphone 5 hardware and iOS 5 must release at the same time. Particularly since there's no cost to upgrade software. So Apple can and will release the iphone 5 when they want or when those outer forces make it possible and will release iOS 5 when they want (which will very likely be Sept or later since the developers won't have the deets until WWDC)


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Along with rumors of the iPod Classic/Nano getting wifi and that old rumor of an iPad2.5 in the fall,

All of which will likely be proven to be as bogus as they sound.

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Great, enjoy your LTE data speeds and your 4 hours of battery life. If the HTC thunderbolt is anything to go by, the initial crop of LTE phonesis mediocre at best. Apple, per usual, won't be including a tech just for the sake of saying they have the latest and greatest if it affects the entire experience. I don't know about you, but a few extra megabits per second of data transfer is not worth the excellent battery life the iPhone 4 gets now to me. Just like they did with 3G, they're going to wait until the chipsets and the networks are mature. I'm guessing iPhone 6 in 2012.

The battery life would be really interesting to see. You are right - it is not very good in the current crop of 4G phones. My hope is that by the time the new iPhone rolls out there will be a more power-efficient chip so it won't be as bad. The speed difference is significant though. I realize it is not important to everyone, but I've played around with some Thunderbolts and they are incredibly fast. Using the Speedtest app in a few different places I consistently got 24mbps both up and down. By comparison I only get ~7mbps using Comcast.
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Just because some a-hat is reporting about the production ramp up for the holiday quarter, doesn't mean other assembly lines won't already be producing the iPhone 5 for the end of June.
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The battery life would be really interesting to see. You are right - it is not very good in the current crop of 4G phones. My hope is that by the time the new iPhone rolls out there will be a more power-efficient chip so it won't be as bad. The speed difference is significant though. I realize it is not important to everyone, but I've played around with some Thunderbolts and they are incredibly fast. Using the Speedtest app in a few different places I consistently got 24mbps both up and down. By comparison I only get ~7mbps using Comcast.

I'm also interested to see what the phone bill would look like at the end of the first month using LTE. It's fast, which means more compelling. Tempted to use it instead of wifi. You're likely to surf more, use lots more data... and be hit with data overage charges.
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Utilizing HSPA+ would be a more beneficial direction for the iPhone 5. Faster speeds and much better battery life.

Current LTE phones have horrid battery life. Its super fast right now because very few people are using it. The more people that use it those speeds will come down.


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The battery life would be really interesting to see. You are right - it is not very good in the current crop of 4G phones. My hope is that by the time the new iPhone rolls out there will be a more power-efficient chip so it won't be as bad. The speed difference is significant though. I realize it is not important to everyone, but I've played around with some Thunderbolts and they are incredibly fast. Using the Speedtest app in a few different places I consistently got 24mbps both up and down. By comparison I only get ~7mbps using Comcast.
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I'm also interested to see what the phone bill would look like at the end of the first month using LTE. It's fast, which means more compelling. Tempted to use it instead of wifi. You're likely to surf more, use lots more data... and be hit with data overage charges.


Huh? What overages? I'm sure this will change at some point but, with Verizon, you get unlimited data with the LTE smartphone package.
post #38 of 63
AI isn't the only source for the rumor of Apple pushing back the iPhone to September. Others have reported the same rumor. As well as the iPad being pushed to September.

I doubt they will show the iPhone 5 iteself at WWDC. They will definitely preview iOS5.

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1. iPhone 5 won't go into mass production until September.
2. iPhone 5 will be introduced (aka shown off) at WWDC in June.
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Utilizing HSPA+ would be a more beneficial direction for the iPhone 5. Faster speeds and much better battery life.

Current LTE phones have horrid battery life. Its super fast right now because very few people are using it. The more people that use it those speeds will come down.

But that also leads to issues for Apple. Apple wants the difference between the CDMA-based and GSM-based iPhones to be as minimal as possible. They want the only outward difference to be the carrier (or at least appear that way), but with HSDPA being so much faster than EV-DO despite comparable usage times do they make both LTE capable, or make one CDMA/EV-DO/LTE and one GSM/HSPA+ with potentially huge differences in battery life?

The use of the Qualcomm Gobi chip in the CDMA/EV-DO iPhone may be an indicator that they do plan to move to a single chip in the future, but I do think that its a little premature to expect such a massive reduction in size, increase in performance, not to mention the inclusion of LTE in the 2011 model.
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With the iPhone 5 receiving the A5 processor I think Apple is looking at the availability of that processor right now.

Obviously the demand for the A5 for the iPad is huge these days - even Apple's online store has a 2 to 3 week shipping wait.

I just don't see Apple pulling processors from the ipad line just to have the iPhone 5 available for the WWDC. A wait of 2 to 3 months would allow Apple to max out their sales potential for the iPad, followed by a major announcement when the iPhone 5 can ramp up without hurting the iPad.
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