Android fans accuse Apple of copying Samsung first - Page 4

And arent they all from the 1960s. Can you call it stealing are non-competing products that are separated by nearly a half a decade and no longer on the market or could be confused with the current products?

I dunno. BUT IMMA LOVIN' IT! CUZ IT DRIVES YOU CRAZEE! harharhar

Hey guys, this is a lie

Maybe for you.. for majority of people he will be remembered as a totalitarian corporate technology dictator that was the very embodiment of the "Big Brother" concept, a crook and a thief (proven)... and not a very good human being too considering he screwed everyone in his life who meant something. Including Steve Wozniak who is really a sweetheart.

As far as I'm concern when he goes the world will be better off not worse. A model of super greed, proprietary platforms and lock-in business model fueled by lawsuits will fade away without him and more open models like Google's will open up progress and innovation.

The iOS on your phone hasn't really changed in 4 years.. how is that progress to you?! It's retarded.. he literally took the technology world backwards not forward.

Hm. Majority are buying iPods and iPads and iPhones - OH MY!

Macs comin' up!

That's not what I'm claiming at all. You can skip my explanation if you want, since you'll just misquote it anyway.

Apple is stating that there are certain things that the "Consumer" identifies as being "Apple" beyond the software. They specifically listed certain aspects of the design of the phone, the packaging, etc.

I provided the link to show that SOME of those aspects were already being used by Samsung before the iphone came out.

And again, since you didn't get it the last few dozen times:
I BELIEVE APPLE HAS A STRONG CASE FOR PHONES LIKE THE VIBRANT but including OTHER phones (like the Transform and Nexus S) do not make sense.

I don't expect you to get that. So don't worry if you don't. It requires understanding the context of a conversation, and the fact that you can talk about portions of an argument (in this case, the lawsuit) without referencing it in it's entirely with EVERY freaking sentence like you assume that I am.

Hey, that third one looks just like the case of our first TV. That was in 1957but it was a 2-or-3-year-old Admiral. (I'm not sure exactly, I was 5 at the time....)

This AndroidDomination guy is a real hoot. I would say I want some of what he's smoking, but he must be mainlining some serious shit instead.

Of course you can call it stealing.. it's a design piece, concept..it doesn't have expiration date.

And you can call it stealing because Steve Jobs admits himself they steal..

So wtf are we arguing here.

You mean like people react to you and sprockkets, the Google/Android tag team shills?

This whole story is not surprising as we see time and time again the amount of time, money and effort Google expends to rewrite history. In a few years, when the company has lost all remaining credibility, maybe they can just move and change their name.

I would think not, and there would obviously be no claim for infringement. Had those been current products, and especially were the same devices, it would be a very different story. Being strongly influenced by the style of an earlier designer is fine I think.

Is there a :facepalm: thingy?


*Read* the post before you start frothing at the mouth. He's not saying that Samsung has a mortgage on "black phone, rounded corners, metal band". Far from it. He saying, quite clearly, I thought, that design does not occur in a vacuum.

FWIW, my opinion is that DED is clearly implying that Samsung managed to ape the iPhone in one month. That's absurd. You could hardly commission a mockup in that time.

It's not a question of who was first, rather the implication in the article that Samsung violently changed tack in the period of a month. The sequence of public reveals might *suggest* it but by no means does it come close to proving it. It's just as likely a coincidence. Depending on who you side with lies your belief.

That’s some crazy tinfoil hat stuff.


Now it’s getting creepy. You aren’t planning to do anything to expedite that, are you?


Guess who else has a locked business model Google. Ask them for their search algorithms and see what they say.

Oh and let’s not forget Honeycomb. lol


iOS hasn’t changed yet they are steal everything. They sound like pretty bad thieves then.


Why don’t you check out the difference between iOS 1.0 and 4.x. The UI design is mostly the same, but iOS has changed extensively.


The world would have been so much better with Android copying Blackberries.

PS: Were you molested by someone that looked like Steve Jobs. It’s the only explanation for your excessive and irrational vitriol.

PPS: Which platform do you think is bigger: Android or iOS?

Well no, I think technically you may be wrong. From the point of view of copyright/trademark or style, if you don't currently make or sell the product then you are not entitled to protect it in that sense, and it follows that it is not theft (or infringement). I'm sure that someone will correct me if that interpretation is incorrect.

-Apple brought you the first "commercial" and usable PC, the Apple II.
-Apple brought you the first PC with a GUI (forget the PARC shit, Apple gave them shares in return and XEROX was to stupid to see what hey had), which Desktop publishing was born from!!
-Apple brought you the first PDA (yes PDA was coined by a Apple executive), the Newton.
-Apple brought you the first successful, user friendly, and ready to use MP3 player (and I can honestly say, the iPod is and has always been the best MP3 player EVER!)
-Apple brought you the first legal digital music/media distribution platform, iTunes.
-Apple brought you the first "real" phone/internet in you hands and by far the FUCKING BEST mobile operating system EVER with the iPhone.
-And last but not least the first usable and functional Tablet PC with the iPad!
So yea I say the World is a better place because of Apple and piss you for saying such shit about a man who is by far WAY out of your league, has accomplished more in one day than you have all your life and that has come close to death! Have a little respect for your elders Bro!!
Funny you mention Steve Woz. Just recently he said he would love to work at Apple under Steve. Also idiot, if you read, read iWoz. The man has nothing but total respect for Steve Jobs!!

You're talking about Eric Schmidt, right? Your description is picture perfect.

I'll also add to that one of my earlier posts:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...9&postcount=18

See, when I was responding to you, I was including a lot of this same information. Since we were still on the first page of responses, I had assumed you had read them, so you would get why I linked that phone initially.

Hey, nice of you to join us annonymouse! I see you are now claiming that google rewrites history! Quite funny because this has nothing to do with android or google!

I know you keep thinking I own an android phone and that's the best strawman argument you have, showing how incapable you are of using any of the other 40 logical fallacies, but I'll keep saying it for the 50th fucking time, I don't own one.

Have a nice day!

Love it Thanks. He is clearly an idiot and half insane

This thread is fun. I never encounter these people in my non-virtual social circles.

Likewise. Most of the people I know can follow a conversation.

That dude just flat creeps me out!!

Oh come on. Me and my friends argue about stupid crap all the time. They know where I stand with apple and find it funny that I recommend their products for them

But when a thread gets long I think many people lack the patience to follow it, and it just comes off the rails.

True enough. But he fell off the rails by the second page.

I don’t. When the crazy people start talking about conspiracy theories in real life I tend to walk away cautiously looking over my shoulder to make sure I’m not being followed.

I think when Eric Schmidt was on the Apple board he was secretly leaking info about the iPhone to handset makers telling them "get ready boys"!!

Oh those crazy things that android dude said? Sorry, I don't need to add to the discussion about that; you all can deal with his stupidity. I'm having fun.

You mean like when people start insisting that you said something when you clearly didn't?

If that was happening Google was covert since their smartphone was pretty much a Blackberry clone until after the iPhone was debuted. I suppose Schmidt could have a small private team but that seems a bit to cloak-and-dagger to me, even though corporate espionage happens all the time.. I suppose we’ll find out in a few decades if that true. Someone will reveal in a tell all book or on their death bed if that is the case.

Well some fell and some were pushed I suspect.

Steve Wozniak made the first usable PC.. not Steve Jobs.. Wozniak is 100% responsible for that and was in the long run pushed aside like he was nothing to Jobs.

as far as GUI goes..stolen after first visit to Xerox


Failure and bad design - never took off. Most likely because they didn't have anyone to copy at that time like they did Xerox.


Stolen from Creative -Apple lost and paid Creative 100 million dollars.


Riddled with worst DRM and only tied to one product.

How is this progress i don't know - the service is awful and itunes is garbage that runs like shit and prevents you from using your content anywhere or on anything but apple devices. No progress here but 100% big brother crap and control.

If you want to talk progress.. Amazon is the one who brought progress.. first introduced DRM free music you enjoy today.. Apple got their ass handed to them and were forced to kill DRM.. if it was Apple's way, you would still be limited on playing your iTunes music on Apple devices only.


Stolen - touch screens and internet existed prior to iphone - apple just polished the device and used the finger instead of stylus - btw, go check what the most sold accessory for ipad, iphone is beside covers - stylus pen.

As for iOS.. purely subjective opinion.. Android is lightyears ahead of iOS in almost every aspect.. more versatile screens that fit apps/widget directly on the homescreen, customization, fantastic notification system, real multitasking and not some freezing app crap and only 7 APIs working etc etc.. iOS hasn't changed in 4 years.. it's stale, slow, ineffective and still has the worst and most pathetic notification system on any phone.

Google brought us true free and best OS on the market.. Android.. it's free, open and not really controlled by one company.. YOu need to learn to differentiate Android and Google's Services when you spit on Google.. one has very little to do with Android's openness. Google's services are not necessarily open source. Android is.

Hardly a progress from Apple side.. another attempt at control and anti-competitive behavior. You don't have to look further.. Apple doesn't allow you to do any 3rd party APIs, advertising networks, Flash or any other web technologies that can endanger their app store, so they force you to give them money.. not only consumers but service providers too.. it's a step back in technology not forward.. with that model you would never have stuff like YouTube and similar.


LOL..stolen concept - tablet pcs with touchscreens existed prior to apple - apple didn"t invent shit - and ipad is just a blown up iphone, nothing else and will be raped again just like Android raped iPhone.


I Have no respect for that crook, scam and a pathetic human being who wouldn't even admit he had a daughter when he KNEW without a shadow of the doubt she was his.. To this day. He screw everyone who helped him get where he was.. HE DESERVES ZERO RESPECT. Plus he is a real criminal.. committed fraud with stocks but due to his star status never arrested like Martha Stewart.

I wouldn't want to be him if they paid me money because there's nothing great about him. .the man is a control freak, obsessed with greed and disrespectful to everyone around him. I was taught morals and ethics.. he has none.

No thanks.

The only positive thing about him is that in that control freak nature he makes sure that Apple products are designed with utmost attention to detail... But in design sense I give my props to Jonathan Ive not Jobs.

No.. Steve Jobs had his "advisers" and offered help with Google to spy on them.. not the other way around.

You seem to be very young.
You have no clue as to what design means.
You dont seem to know what stealing really is.
Your historical facts are very skewed.
You are way to upset about this unless you own Samsung.

Did you just recently see Pirates of Silicon Valley?
Did you get fired from working in an Apple Store?

Get a life young man. Phones, computers, ipods.... it's not important.

paranoia. It's the first step.

No-one I know gets so, um, expressive, as they do on internet forums. I would never treat anyone IRL like I do on forums.

Nice diversion btw.

But no matter the truth and/or case, clearly iOS and Android are in competition, although one Google Exec. says not so, but still in all Eric was on the board during the planning stages of the iPhone and shortly after its release, Google has a response to iOS. Now I am by no means an expert, but could there be some law breaking that Eric did while on the board? I mean after all, the board members of a company are "suppose" to look out for the best interest of the company, not became direct competitors!

Didn’t you state, with pictures, that Apple stole all those HW designs for which Ives is credited? You tactic where you say some slightly positive thing to make it appear as if you are being objective and balanced in your comments has just failed.

And Wozniak is a sweetheart? Seriously?

Like the guy said before, maybe somebody that looked like Steve Jobs must have molested him, because clearly he is disturbed In all my example I stated Apple, the company, created these awesome devices. This guy thinks I said Steve and only Steve did. No Steve did not alone create these products, but no doubt he is the leader of ALL the teams that do!!
Oh and by the way, Steve Jobs is a happily married man with ALL his children, including Lisa, living with him!

So your criticisms of Apple products and software are clear enough, but where does the extreme anger towards Jobs come from? It sounds personal.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/08/03bod.html

From the wording there, it seems like whenever a conflicting interest would come up, Eric would recuse himself from the meeting.

If he didn't recuse himself from iOS discussions when they were actively developing android (before steve jobs knew about android) I would assume Apple would have legal grounds to sue them directly.

Yeah.. typical Apple bullshit.. when you start revealing garbage about Apple or stuff doesn't work.. don't get upset..it's only electronics.. it's not important..

IT IS IMPORTANT because our lives are increasingly depending on technology and money we spend goes somewhere.. Of course it's important.

No I"m not a kid.
I am a creative director with 2 design degrees and one of my main topics was contemporary design during the studies.. on top of that, i have worked for Fortune 500 companies.. among which some things for Apple believe it or not.

My facts are not skewed.. they are truth.. they are only skewed from the perspective of those who try to defend Apple.. I've personally talked to many people who were involved in technology and what was happening during that time.

I'm not upset at all.. I'm actually very calm.. I just really dislike the BS coming from Apple and PR shills and so on trying to defend them.

Other than that..I'm fine thanks. I would say Apple fans are mad and upset because Apple stuff and market-share are going back to insignificance just like it did with desktops and WIndows.