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Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.

If it did not get blue from the sun then that mean it did not get the main light right (the room will be more reddish), or most likely you didn't look closely. I shoot with DSLR and your picture is normal.
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Hopefully any delay would mean that they are adding LTE 4G, but who knows.......

P.S. I do think Thunderbolt syncing would be a possible reason for the delay although it is way past time for Apple to offer Wifi sync......
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It's the light from the sun (coming through the roof), hence the blue tint. And I think you meant incandescent.

You're right, I am talking about a different problem that lends a blue tint.

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Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.

Oh well. Maybe I should learn something about post processing to clean these photos up and remove that tint. There are several like that. If anyone has any tips, just PM me.

iPhone doesn't auto white balance as aggressively, where iPhone will show you what it looked like closer to absolute terms, other cameras tend to neutralize the photos. In the case of that photo, you're seeing as it is, you are getting light from a blue sky, so why is it a surprise to see blue light?

Picasa, iPhoto, Aperture, Lightroom and many other photo editing programs have white balance adjustments. The easiest tool lets you pick the part what you want call white and it adjusts the whole picture accordingly, the more advanced programs let you make manual adjustments using sliders.
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Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.



There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.

Hey, Thats Austin TX
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Hey, Thats Austin TX

Yep, I am a proud Texan and always go check out the Capital when in town. The MS-150 bike ride was this past weekend and I was there for that.
post #46 of 77
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Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.

Oh well. Maybe I should learn something about post processing to clean these photos up and remove that tint. There are several like that. If anyone has any tips, just PM me.

As for this thread, I will be keeping my i4 and not updating until my contract runs out in summer 2012.

As other have said, the photo looks "correct". The iPhone 4's white balance adjusted to the indoor lighting and so the interior looks as if it's how our eyes perceive it to be from the place you took the photo. If other people are not seeing this blue tint via their cameras, it's only because their cameras aren't adjusting to the indoor lighting but rather have their white balance on "daylight" or something like that. That's why they don't see a blue tint in the sunlit areas. The trade-off is the rest of the building interior can't look like the way we see it with our eyes. Look closely at your friends' photos (those without the blue tint you mentioned) and I can almost guarantee that the building interior will look "wrong" or with a redish/orange cast that doesn't show up in your iPhone photo.
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post #48 of 77
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As other have said, the photo looks "correct". The iPhone 4's white balance adjusted to the indoor lighting and so the interior looks as if it's how our eyes perceive it to be from the place you took the photo. If other people are not seeing this blue tint via their cameras, it's only because their cameras aren't adjusting to the indoor lighting but rather have their white balance on "daylight" or something like that. That's why they don't see a blue tint in the sunlit areas. The trade-off is the rest of the building interior can't look like the way we see it with our eyes. Look closely at your friends' photos (those without the blue tint you mentioned) and I can almost guarantee that the building interior will look "wrong" or with a redish/orange cast that doesn't show up in your iPhone photo.

Correct, it did have a slightly more orange cast. I went into iPhoto and adjusted the temperatures to make them look not as blue. It looks better IMO and more like I remember the inside. It is a little reddish/orange and dim inside the Capital.
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Or maybe one of the largest centres for electronics component manufacturing in the world was wiped off the face of the earth last month - Japan is in crisis, there are going to be impacts to product cycles and launch dates...

Bit of an exaggeration. The northern part of Japan which was destroyed was mostly farming and fishing. The high-tech sector is in southern Japan and remains completely intact. There are some electrical power issues but nothing that serious. I'm not dismissing the extent of the tragedy but "Wiped of the face of the Earth" is just a bit much.

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post #50 of 77
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Do you think perhaps, as others have suggested, this maybe the iPhone 4s rather than 5?

BTW, I'd like to see an option to totally update/ backup /sync an iPhone or an iPad via wi-fi to a Mac as an option to a direct link. Heck I transfer well over 10 gigs regularly via my AE between Macs on my network.

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If its just some spec bumps and a new HW feature or two in the same design and dimensions I can see iPhone 4S (or iPhone 4G if they do add LTE).

Any WiFi syncing will come with iOS 5.0 which may arrive sooner than the next iPhone. Personally i think that is a good move. It could give the iPhone sales a boost mid-cycle. If they do add more wireless syncing options I doubt it will be everything. Id think it will a regulated service that is well thought out (that dont mean perfect!) as to limit your battery drain.

I havent experienced any slowness. I have noticed an odd swarm of spammers hitting the site.
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I have noticed an odd swarm of spammers hitting the site.

No crap. There's steps the Admin can and should take to minimize it. Really out'a hand the past week.
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post #52 of 77
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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4 View Post

Well rumors are starting to get better but still don't sound right. Would Apple put out a new model IPHONE just for a speed bump?? Could be because theres a rumor about the Iphone5 coming in 5 colors

Why would Apple put out the 3GS when it was little more than a speed bump?

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So what are those of us who are waiting for our AT&T contract to be up at the end of June supposed to do? I'll have to get the iPhone 4 in late June, so will I be stuck with that for another two years now? I just waited two years because I thought the iPhone 5 would be available in June. This sucks!

My contract was up in September of 2010. It's not like I was forced to purchase a new phone then. I'm month-to-month now with the same terms and same rate plan I signed 2.5 years ago. I can upgrade to a 4G today, I can wait until later this year for the 4GS/5 and upgrade to that. I can keep my 3G until I throw it against the wall for being so stinking slow...

You don't "have to get the iPhone 4 in late June" - you can simply wait until September and upgrade then.
post #53 of 77
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Picasa, iPhoto, Aperture, Lightroom and many other photo editing programs have white balance adjustments. The easiest tool lets you pick the part what you want call white and it adjusts the whole picture accordingly, the more advanced programs let you make manual adjustments using sliders.

...and Aperture (and presumably Lightroom) allows you to apply an adjustment (or multiple adjustments) such as white balance to a photo and then apply the same adjustment (or multiple adjustments) to a batch of photos nearly instantaneously. Imagine you took twelve pictures of the inside of the capitol building in Austin and all of them had that same blue tint because the phone didn't color balance. Chances are the color balance will be off by the same temperature in every one of those twelve photos. So, rather than manually correcting all twelve, you just manually correct one (and maybe make some exposure tweaks) and then apply that chance across the remaining eleven.

That is the beauty of post production tools such as Aperture for those of us who take a lot of photos. ...but I digress...
post #54 of 77
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Why would Apple put out the 3GS when it was little more than a speed bump?



My contract was up in September of 2010. It's not like I was forced to purchase a new phone then. I'm month-to-month now with the same terms and same rate plan I signed 2.5 years ago. I can upgrade to a 4G today, I can wait until later this year for the 4GS/5 and upgrade to that. I can keep my 3G until I throw it against the wall for being so stinking slow...

You don't "have to get the iPhone 4 in late June" - you can simply wait until September and upgrade then.

As a sap who still has a 3G, I can tell you that 3GS was not merely a "speed bump". Although when I compare my 3G with friends 3GS's, for basic functions, the only difference is speed (3GS is about 1.5X as fast), nevertheless many apps freeze the phone completely, whereas 3GSs I've seen never experience this. The 3GS, regardless of what the tech specs say, was a serious technical upgrade. 3G is useful now pretty much only for the phone and basic e-mail - everything else is so slow or downright dysfunctional, it's almost not worth the bother.
post #55 of 77
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As a sap who still has a 3G, I can tell you that 3GS was not merely a "speed bump". Although when I compare my 3G with friends 3GS's, for basic functions, the only difference is speed (3GS is about 1.5X as fast), nevertheless many apps freeze the phone completely, whereas 3GSs I've seen never experience this. The 3GS, regardless of what the tech specs say, was a serious technical upgrade. 3G is useful now pretty much only for the phone and basic e-mail - everything else is so slow or downright dysfunctional, it's almost not worth the bother.

True 'nuff. You're right - the 3GS was advertised as being little more than a speed bump (plus a compass). I remember walking into an AT&T store when the 3GS came out and setting my 3G next to it and launching Google Earth on both. That 1.5x bump was an understatement. I was able to pan around on the 3GS before my 3G had left the splash screen.

Now, just this weekend I was at dinner with five other people who had iPhones, myself being the only loser with a 3G. We each launched Facebook simultaneously and they were done reading their news feed before mine even went past the Facebook banner. Many of my apps crash forcing me to reboot, and if any of them use the GPS my phone becomes unresponsive for at least two minutes.

You're right, there clearly is more than just a speed bump in the 3GS. Perhaps it was released because Apple knew multitasking was around the corner and the 3G didn't enough the umph to support it. Perhaps there's a 4GS coming out in September that's an incremental improvement simply to support some unknown future functionality with iOS 5. I hope not - I can't wait any longer and am upgrading to a 4 later this week.
post #56 of 77
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Originally Posted by resnyc View Post

As a sap who still has a 3G, I can tell you that 3GS was not merely a "speed bump". Although when I compare my 3G with friends 3GS's, for basic functions, the only difference is speed (3GS is about 1.5X as fast), nevertheless many apps freeze the phone completely, whereas 3GSs I've seen never experience this. The 3GS, regardless of what the tech specs say, was a serious technical upgrade. 3G is useful now pretty much only for the phone and basic e-mail - everything else is so slow or downright dysfunctional, it's almost not worth the bother.

Besides the Megahertz it was also a jump from ARMv6 ARM11 to ARMv7 Cortex-A8. Longer battery life because of it, new HW feature, etc. I think people see the same shell and think that nothing has changed.

Here is a list of the more superficial features without the in-depth technical changes that accompanied the 3GS.

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post #57 of 77
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It doesn't make sense. Why delay until September if you only make minimal changes? If they delay the launch, they must work on something very hard to implement, something revolutionary, not just a faster processor.

The logical reason for a delay if there is one is the earthquake. They can't get the supplies they need in the amounts they need them. And they won't announce anything until they have at least started mass production and can have it out within like 4 weeks. It's just not Apple's style once something isn't a new product that needs FCC approval etc
post #58 of 77
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Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.



There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.

It's called white balance. In that photo there are 2 sources of light (the indoor lighting and the sunlight coming in) and they are different temperatures. The camera has to average it out, making one look slightly orange and the other slightly blue.

AFIK there isn't a camera out there that can compensate for this kind thing on its own. That's what post processing is for.
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In case anyone is interested, here is what I did:



Overall, do people on here think the iPhone 4 is a good point and shoot camera?
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Originally Posted by Jensonb View Post

"It's called the iPhone 4[S]. The S stands for Speed!"

I thought it stood for September.
post #61 of 77
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

This makes sense.

Steve Jobs claimed that the iPhone 4 took 18 months of engineering. Apple is not staffed to come up with an entirely new iPhone design on an annual basis; everything else in their product line tends to have a ~2-3 year design cycle.


It's not like Apple has to wait for shipment of a model before it begins design on the next one. You can start that process on the next gen before shipping one.
post #62 of 77
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Originally Posted by The Bootleg Saint View Post

So what are those of us who are waiting for our AT&T contract to be up at the end of June supposed to do? I'll have to get the iPhone 4 in late June, so will I be stuck with that for another two years now? I just waited two years because I thought the iPhone 5 would be available in June. This sucks!

That's pretty much my situation, too. My battery life is getting shorter and so is my patience. By the time September rolls around, I'll be good and frustrated with my iPhone 3Gs. I could get an iPhone 4 now, but it wasn't compelling enough when introduced last year...so why miss the next bump?

If Apple is changing it's delivery schedule, there better be a reason that's useful for customers. If it's just to help them fleece new college students, it'll be a big slap in the face.
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I thought it stood for September.

If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.
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post #64 of 77
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If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.

A fanboy who likes his phone, but wants more storage capacity and has a battery that doesn't hold a charge as well as it used to.
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Originally Posted by NelsonX View Post

It doesn't make sense. Why delay until September if you only make minimal changes? If they delay the launch, they must work on something very hard to implement, something revolutionary, not just a faster processor.

I bet it's LTE that's holding it up, and I bet it's on the way.
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What about the rest of the planet? How soon until the entire world is bathed in LTE?

4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.
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In case anyone is interested, here is what I did:



Overall, do people on here think the iPhone 4 is a good point and shoot camera?

I liked the original more. Btw it's a good shot, composition wise.
post #68 of 77
This is a case where it would have been better to ask questions than to make assumptions. What you are looking at are two different color temperatures of light in the same picture.

Our brains adjust for various color temps to balance everything out to white. Cameras cannot do that and will record different color temps within the same shot as it literally sees it.

The orange light is the indoor light - the blue light is from outdoors.

FYI: Color Temperature

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Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.

There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.
post #69 of 77
Its decent enough if the lighting is good.

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Overall, do people on here think the iPhone 4 is a good point and shoot camera?
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Every camera is going to process this problem a bit differently. The blue tint isn't a problem. The blue tint means the iPhone faithfully captured what it saw.

The worst way to handle this would be to allow the blue portion to blow out into a haze of white. Which means the camera had to clip the highlight detail and preserve the middle and lower range of the image. The iPhone did not do that. Which is good.

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Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.
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Thanks for the answers guys.....I'll ask questions and make less assumptions.
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Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.



There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.

Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.

That said, I really like the picture.
post #73 of 77
Great composition, great pictures!


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Thanks for the answers guys.....I'll ask questions and make less assumptions.
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Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.



There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.

God bless TEXAS! I love the CHL line.
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.

Who's doing voice calls over LTE?
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Originally Posted by Michael Chan View Post

Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.

That said, I really like the picture.


I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.

Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).

No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4

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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Bit of an exaggeration. The northern part of Japan which was destroyed was mostly farming and fishing. The high-tech sector is in southern Japan and remains completely intact. There are some electrical power issues but nothing that serious. I'm not dismissing the extent of the tragedy but "Wiped of the face of the Earth" is just a bit much.

Sounds about right, but my impression is there were critical component supply issues because some manufacturing plants in the area were damaged. You're right to say it's not a manufacturing heavy area, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. We're already seeing automakers and camera makers having to cut back production. It only takes a limited supply of one part to cause production problems for the finished product.

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I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.

Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).

No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4


This is the problem I was talking about, I think it is an unrelated problem. This is fluorescent, ghostface's picture doesn't have fluorescent lighting.
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