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post #1 of 38
4/21/11 at 6:48pm
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http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_...sformer_TF101/

The new ASUS eeePad looks awesome. Basically like an iPad 2 but with Android and more specs. Plus the dockable keyboard.

Best part: $399. Man this looks cool! And of course is someone has an Android phone they can tether it.

So cheap, I'm tempted. I'll probably wait a revision, but if it's that cheap or cheaper, and improves a lot for rev 2, and perhaps with Android 4.0 or whatever, I think I'll be buying an eeePad 2 later this year/next year. That extra $100 is a big difference I am betting for the market and this will be most successful Android tablet to date. They need to get Best Buy et al to sell this.
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post #2 of 38
4/21/11 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post

http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_...sformer_TF101/

The new ASUS eeePad looks awesome. Basically like an iPad 2 but with Android and more specs. Plus the dockable keyboard.

Best part: $399. Man this looks cool! And of course is someone has an Android phone they can tether it.

So cheap, I'm tempted. I'll probably wait a revision, but if it's that cheap or cheaper, and improves a lot for rev 2, and perhaps with Android 4.0 or whatever, I think I'll be buying an eeePad 2 later this year/next year. That extra $100 is a big difference I am betting for the market and this will be most successful Android tablet to date. They need to get Best Buy et al to sell this.

First I don't want anything to do with Google and Android. The company is simply to unethical to do business with. Second I rather see HP or RIM succeed if for nothing else they are atleast trying to innovate. I'm disappointed RIM lost it's way, but I'd be far less embarrassed to carry a Playbook around than any Android tablet.
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post #3 of 38
4/21/11 at 9:07pm
"Basically an iPad 2 but with Android..."

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

You do get the concept that it's the OS that makes the iPad the iPad, right?

"Basically a MacBook Pro but with Windows!"
"Basically an XBox 360 but it runs Sega Genesis games!"

Let's be honest here. Honeycomb big? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honeycomb good? Nah, nah, nah!
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post #4 of 38
4/22/11 at 2:26am
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"Basically an iPad 2 but with Android..."

My first impression was the same but I had also factored in some preconceptions about the hardware quality.

With a 10" IPS screen and a keyboard docking station for 16 hours of battery life (9.5 standalone) with both front (1.2MP) and rear (5MP) facing cameras and NVidia Tegra 2, 1GB RAM, 1280 x 800 resolution, HDMI, gyroscope/accelerometer/compass, USB ports, 1080p playback, with a decent design, I think that's still a pretty strong piece of hardware for $399.

You're right the software makes the experience but from seeing a demo video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rm8NQAib-A

it's not all that bad. While I'm not a supporter of Flash, not being able to play Flash videos is a bit annoying and likely won't stop being annoying anytime soon. The iPad screen quality and smoothness is still better, along with the UI animations but that keyboard dock is very well thought out.

From a student's point of view, they can take the laptop style device to class to take notes on very easily and it would behave just like a netbook. Taking the iPad keyboard dock is not quite as straightforward as you can't really sit it on your lap or angled desk easily.

This is the first competing tablet that actually seems like serious competition.
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post #5 of 38
4/22/11 at 11:08am
Video playback looked horrible!
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post #6 of 38
4/22/11 at 12:34pm
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"Basically an iPad 2 but with Android..."

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

You do get the concept that it's the OS that makes the iPad the iPad, right?

"Basically a MacBook Pro but with Windows!"
"Basically an XBox 360 but it runs Sega Genesis games!"

Let's be honest here. Honeycomb big? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honeycomb good? Nah, nah, nah!

Tonton I agree with you the software makes the device, any device. Well more generally the interface makes the device. And software is the primary interface for computer devices.

One of the things I use Android for is Flash. Also PDF. Multitasking. Video. A lot of other things I simply can't do or would have to pay to do. Like Google Navigation, etc. For my purposes, iOS just didn't fit the bill. For others, iOS will be better. But there are many things Android does that iOS can not. Don't be so quick to write Google off on Tablets. I wasn't impressed at all about Xoom once I saw the price. But for $399...it has legs. Just watch. And imagine a device almost as capable released for $299 later this summer. Unlike how Apple owned all segments of the market with releasing iPod nano and Shuffle...they have yet to release a cheap iPad. $500 for a toy or a once-every-so-often is a steep price for a device in this economy. And for me and many others, I wouldn't be willing to spend $500 on any tablet, no matter what it did or who made it.
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post #7 of 38
4/22/11 at 12:36pm
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First I don't want anything to do with Google and Android. The company is simply to unethical to do business with. Second I rather see HP or RIM succeed if for nothing else they are atleast trying to innovate. I'm disappointed RIM lost it's way, but I'd be far less embarrassed to carry a Playbook around than any Android tablet.

How is Google unethical!? Everything they do is free for users. Plus there OS is open source for crying out loud!
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post #8 of 38
4/23/11 at 1:23am
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Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post

http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_...sformer_TF101/

The new ASUS eeePad looks awesome. Basically like an iPad 2 but with Android and more specs. Plus the dockable keyboard.

Best part: $399. Man this looks cool! And of course is someone has an Android phone they can tether it.

So cheap, I'm tempted. I'll probably wait a revision, but if it's that cheap or cheaper, and improves a lot for rev 2, and perhaps with Android 4.0 or whatever, I think I'll be buying an eeePad 2 later this year/next year. That extra $100 is a big difference I am betting for the market and this will be most successful Android tablet to date. They need to get Best Buy et al to sell this.

Wow, Aquatic, I thought you had standards... Seriously though all these tablets, transformers, or whatever all look good on paper. It's when you use it that things just don't pan out like you expect. For me, anyways.
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post #9 of 38
4/23/11 at 3:07am
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Wow, Aquatic, I thought you had standards... Seriously though all these tablets, transformers, or whatever all look good on paper. It's when you use it that things just don't pan out like you expect. For me, anyways.

It'll probably have some rough edges in the OS. It will also have features/functions/connections that the iPad won't offer. Since software can be improved and it has as good or better hardware than Apple's tablet at 20% less than the cheapest iPad, I think it's worth consideration.

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post #10 of 38
4/23/11 at 4:34am
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How is Google unethical!? Everything they do is free for users. Plus there OS is open source for crying out loud!

Free ≠ ethical. That's a disgustingly disturbing jump for you to make.
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post #11 of 38
4/23/11 at 4:45am
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Free ≠ ethical. That's a disgustingly disturbing jump for you to make.

Totally agree. Free services are no indication of a companies ethics.

On the flip side, all the talk of Google lacking ethics is based solely on the rumored anger that the Apple CEO had when he found that Google was developing a phone, according to anonymous sources. Prior to that the Google Apple combo was a great thing in the eyes of the Apple faithful.

Really a bit ridiculous the way attitudes changed simply because of 3rd party reports of the cause for a rift in a business relationship.

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post #12 of 38
4/23/11 at 5:48am
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Totally agree. Free services are no indication of a companies ethics.

On the flip side, all the talk of Google lacking ethics is based solely on the rumored anger that the Apple CEO had when he found that Google was developing a phone, according to anonymous sources.

Yeah, that's all.
There was no data collection by street view cars. No, siree. There is no tracking of location data. Nope. There was no effort to publish every book ever written without the permission of the copyright holder, or fair use, nope.
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post #13 of 38
4/23/11 at 6:13am
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Yeah, that's all.
There was no data collection by street view cars. No, siree. There is no tracking of location data. Nope. There was no effort to publish every book ever written without the permission of the copyright holder, or fair use, nope.

Street view is unethical? Location tracking is unethical? Google was actually stealing every every book ever published in it's entirety and making them free to everyone?

One of these days I may make a post concerning Google's supposed lack of ethics. It still all comes down to a rumor of an angry Steve Jobs twisting the view of Google in the eyes of many Apple users.

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post #14 of 38
4/23/11 at 7:31am
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It still all comes down to a rumor of an angry Steve Jobs twisting the view of Google in the eyes of many Apple users.

I see what you're trying to say, yes Steve had a role in opening my eyes about Google. For the better.

But there is no denying even outside of Steve voicing his opinion (rumoured and public) there were concerns about Google's street view mapping and their book stealing which continues to this day... by various non-Apple users too.

How would you like it if you were an author and somebody scanned your book and published it free on the Internet? Where would your income come from? Who would buy books? Not to mention now Google getting the advertising revenue from your book?
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post #15 of 38
4/23/11 at 7:57am
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I see what you're trying to say, yes Steve had a role in opening my eyes about Google. For the better.

But there is no denying even outside of Steve voicing his opinion (rumoured and public) there were concerns about Google's street view mapping and their book stealing which continues to this day... by various non-Apple users too.

How would you like it if you were an author and somebody scanned your book and published it free on the Internet? Where would your income come from? Who would buy books? Not to mention now Google getting the advertising revenue from your book?

things may not be quite as you understand them. Or perhaps they are. There's a clear explanation here:

http://techland.time.com/2011/03/23/...oks-case-saga/

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post #16 of 38
4/23/11 at 8:37am
The problem wasn't the collection of data for street view. The problem was collection of data that went far beyond any data Street view or an ethical company would ever need.
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post #17 of 38
4/23/11 at 8:42am
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The problem wasn't the collection of data for street view. The problem was collection of data that went far beyond any data Street view or an ethical company would ever need.

Then you're stating that it was Google's intent to gather data file fragments using StreetView as a front? If so, yes that would be unethical at minimum. If it was an unintentional by-product, not sure I consider that proof of an ethics issue.

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post #18 of 38
4/23/11 at 10:59am
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Then you're stating that it was Google's intent to gather data file fragments using StreetView as a front? If so, yes that would be unethical at minimum. If it was an unintentional by-product, not sure I consider that proof of an ethics issue.

Although intent can't likely ever be proven, the fact that Google was apparently running code that...

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inadvertently captured around 600GB of data in 30 countries. Among the information gathered were emails, passwords, and the addresses of websites visited by households. However, Google has stressed that none of this data has been, or was ever intended to be, used for commercial purposes.

Shows negligence in the extreme.

But seriously, folks. Obviously, data would have been being recorded to a server somewhere. Would not an engineer have noticed that "disappearing capacity" were it not intentional? And why the hell did they have to collect any data other than location and orientation, which they more easily and more accurately could have done with GPS and a gyroscope, rather than using WiFi data?

"Experimental code inserted by an engineer", my ass. They got caught.
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post #19 of 38
4/23/11 at 1:34pm
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http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_...sformer_TF101/

The new ASUS eeePad looks awesome. Basically like an iPad 2 but with Android and more specs. Plus the dockable keyboard.

Best part: $399. Man this looks cool! And of course is someone has an Android phone they can tether it.

So cheap, I'm tempted. I'll probably wait a revision, but if it's that cheap or cheaper, and improves a lot for rev 2, and perhaps with Android 4.0 or whatever, I think I'll be buying an eeePad 2 later this year/next year. That extra $100 is a big difference I am betting for the market and this will be most successful Android tablet to date. They need to get Best Buy et al to sell this.

Aquatic, that thing looks TERRIBLE. There is a real reason why the iPad sold somewhat well but Apple can't even begin to try to meet demand for the new iPad. The specs are just a small part of the picture. It is the size and most importantly the weight that has pushed the new iPad over the top.

First wide screen is nice for watching movies, but these things are used for much more than that. For other uses though it becomes unwieldy. That thing looks like a heavy awkward beast of a tablet to deal with. The iPad works with bluetooth keyboards (as does the iPhone) plus Apple sells a similar adapter. Why not use a scenario that has software and actually has developers trying to make unique programs for it? That has to be worth more than the price difference over the life of the device. Also the iPad is simply much better in terms of materials and size for the price.

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Tonton I agree with you the software makes the device, any device. Well more generally the interface makes the device. And software is the primary interface for computer devices.

One of the things I use Android for is Flash. Also PDF. Multitasking. Video. A lot of other things I simply can't do or would have to pay to do. Like Google Navigation, etc. For my purposes, iOS just didn't fit the bill. For others, iOS will be better. But there are many things Android does that iOS can not. Don't be so quick to write Google off on Tablets. I wasn't impressed at all about Xoom once I saw the price. But for $399...it has legs. Just watch. And imagine a device almost as capable released for $299 later this summer. Unlike how Apple owned all segments of the market with releasing iPod nano and Shuffle...they have yet to release a cheap iPad. $500 for a toy or a once-every-so-often is a steep price for a device in this economy. And for me and many others, I wouldn't be willing to spend $500 on any tablet, no matter what it did or who made it.

Flash is a terrible security risk. I predict that within a couple years due to Flash, Android will start needing anti-virus programs. Apple is handling PDF's just fine. I've printed them from my iPhone and iBooks can store them as well. Google Navigation is just a program. I use Mapquest for Mobile to get turn by turn for free on my iPhone.

I've gone to the level of root and flashing roms onto various Android devices. I've yet to find something an Android phone or tablet can do that iOS would be incapable of doing.

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4/23/11 at 1:53pm
iPad2 - (601 - 613 g) / 9.5×7.31×.346 in (240×186×8.8 mm)

Asus Transformer - (680 g) / 10.67 x 6.73 x 0.51 (271 x 171 x 12.98 mm)

So just over 2 ounces heavier, same weight as last years iPad. Was that heavy? A bit wider (for widescreen of course), not as tall, and an 1/8" thicker. Actually just slightly thinner than last years iPad, which I didn't see anyone here complain about as too thick, nor unwieldy. Doesn't seem all that bulky really.

Apple absolutely has the edge on optimized apps tho. I suspect it may be quite a few months before Android can boast of "thousands" of tablet-specific applications.

EDIT: This is interesting. Already sold out in the UK, but is that 10K or 100K or 500K? Who knows. Like Apple until the financials this week, they ain't sayin. In any case, ASUS says they're having difficulty meeting demand. US release should be on the 26th.

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post #21 of 38
4/23/11 at 9:34pm
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EDIT: This is interesting. Already sold out in the UK, but is that 10K or 100K or 500K? Who knows. Like Apple until the financials this week, they ain't sayin. In any case, ASUS says they're having difficulty meeting demand. US release should be on the 26th.

Hmmm 500,000? Must be all the people that can't get their hands on the iPad 2.

"500,000", "Already sold out in the UK", "ASUS says they're having difficulty meeting demand".

Nice try. So this is the real "iPad killer"? For reals this time?

Next we'll hear that sell through was "smooth".
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post #22 of 38
4/23/11 at 9:38pm
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So just over 2 ounces heavier, same weight as last years iPad. Was that heavy?

Yes.
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4/24/11 at 4:13am
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Yes.

Thanks. I hadn't seen complaints that it was heavy from actual users.

As far as an iPad killer? I don't think that's ASUS goal.
I can't imagine there would ever be a specific tablet that "kills" the iPad.

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post #24 of 38
4/24/11 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post

http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_...sformer_TF101/

The new ASUS eeePad looks awesome. Basically like an iPad 2 but with Android and more specs. Plus the dockable keyboard.

Best part: $399. Man this looks cool! And of course is someone has an Android phone they can tether it.

So cheap, I'm tempted. I'll probably wait a revision, but if it's that cheap or cheaper, and improves a lot for rev 2, and perhaps with Android 4.0 or whatever, I think I'll be buying an eeePad 2 later this year/next year. That extra $100 is a big difference I am betting for the market and this will be most successful Android tablet to date. They need to get Best Buy et al to sell this.

I've read the specifications, I reckon 32GB and 64GB models would have been better rather than 16/32. But in any case what apps and games are they going to use???
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post #25 of 38
4/24/11 at 4:24pm
When you have one or two slip ups that is a concern but when you constantly thumb your noise at accepted practice you have ethical problems. There really isn't any other way to describe repeated transgressions.

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Street view is unethical? Location tracking is unethical? Google was actually stealing every every book ever published in it's entirety and making them free to everyone?

Street view has certainly been a significant issue with Google ignoring the law in many countries. This isn't speculation on my part at all and is a matter of historical record. An ethical company would have researched the law first in whatever country they where to operate in.

Location tracking is unethical if the parties being tracked don't know about it. I'm not sure why you would even think it was ethical. Look at it this way, how would you like it if I personally followed you around 24/7 taking notes on every moment of your life? Believe me you wouldn't like it, Google doing it electronically is no excuse.

As to copyright Google regularly thumbs it's noise at authors rights. Not that I'm happy about recent changes to the law that give authors excessively lOng rights to their works. The problem with that is it is the current law and the law should be addressed. If Google used it's money and lawyers to return copyrights to more traditional terms that would be ethical even applauded in some circles, unfortunately they have not done that.
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One of these days I may make a post concerning Google's supposed lack of ethics. It still all comes down to a rumor of an angry Steve Jobs twisting the view of Google in the eyes of many Apple users.

You do that but you have already demonstrated that you don't know what you are talking about. The issue with Steve and iPhone is just a tiny part of Googles problems.
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4/24/11 at 4:48pm
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When you have one or two slip ups that is a concern but when you constantly thumb your noise at accepted practice you have ethical problems. There really isn't any other way to describe repeated transgressions.


Street view has certainly been a significant issue with Google ignoring the law in many countries. This isn't speculation on my part at all and is a matter of historical record. An ethical company would have researched the law first in whatever country they where to operate in.

Location tracking is unethical if the parties being tracked don't know about it. I'm not sure why you would even think it was ethical. Look at it this way, how would you like it if I personally followed you around 24/7 taking notes on every moment of your life? Believe me you wouldn't like it, Google doing it electronically is no excuse.

As to copyright Google regularly thumbs it's noise at authors rights. Not that I'm happy about recent changes to the law that give authors excessively lOng rights to their works. The problem with that is it is the current law and the law should be addressed. If Google used it's money and lawyers to return copyrights to more traditional terms that would be ethical even applauded in some circles, unfortunately they have not done that.


You do that but you have already demonstrated that you don't know what you are talking about. The issue with Steve and iPhone is just a tiny part of Googles problems.

In which country were they convicted of breaking the law with StreetView? And I believe Google requires an opt-in for location tracking. And as for the book issue, I'm pretty sure they stopped the program until they came to agreement with the supposed authority charged with negotiating on behalf of all the affected authors a couple years back. After the fact I think some of those authors then changed their minds about whether they really agreed to a settlement at all. That one is still a mess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_...ment_Agreement

So I still don't see the huge ethics problem. They treat their employees well, contribute to a number of philanthropic programs, stood up for human rights in China, walked side-by-side with the Egyptian people. . .

I guess you see whatever you want to see in life.

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post #27 of 38
4/26/11 at 4:33am
The ASUS tablet finally released in the US. . .

And except for some remaining stock at Best Buy, sold out same day according to Engadget. Looks like the company is taking a page right out of Apple's iPad gameplan. Overwhelming demand. Caught by surprise. Can't keep up with orders, etc.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/a...ately-sells-o/

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post #28 of 38
4/26/11 at 1:15pm
FORD Fiesta: like a Porsche 911 for $9,999
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4/27/11 at 8:16am
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FORD Fiesta: like a Porsche 911 for $9,999

Actually, pitting an Android machine vs. an iOS machine is more like pitting a 70's American muscle car against a Porsche (if they were sold at the same price). Just because the muscle car has a bigger engine doesn't mean it performs better.
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4/28/11 at 10:56am
Cheap is a big feature. No denying that. However, it's not like an iPad 2 for $399. iPad 2 is lighter, smaller, faster, lasts longer and has better software. If you find that the Transformer suits what you want to do, then I think that's awesome. But I don't think you can say you are getting an iPad 2 at a cheaper cost, because you are not.

They are different enough such that the value proposition can simply be reduced to price.
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post #31 of 38
5/1/11 at 4:00am
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The ASUS tablet finally released in the US. . .

And except for some remaining stock at Best Buy, sold out same day according to Engadget. Looks like the company is taking a page right out of Apple's iPad gameplan. Overwhelming demand. Caught by surprise. Can't keep up with orders, etc.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/26/a...ately-sells-o/

Yup, just like Apple. Overwhelming demand and being caught by surprise isn't part of Apple's "gameplan". Making great products is. We'll see how "smooth" actual sales are.

Don't get me wrong, if people get a kick out of it so be it. Competition is healthy.
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post #32 of 38
5/1/11 at 7:54am
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Yup, just like Apple. Overwhelming demand and being caught by surprise isn't part of Apple's "gameplan". Making great products is. We'll see how "smooth" actual sales are.

Don't get me wrong, if people get a kick out of it so be it. Competition is healthy.

ASUS has a history of making great products too

I notice you and others often use the phrase "iPad Killer". I see it a lot at Apple enthusiast sites. Any reason for that? Has some competitor claimed that as their goal?

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5/1/11 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

ASUS has a history of making great products too

I notice you and others often use the phrase "iPad Killer". I see it a lot at Apple enthusiast sites. Any reason for that? Has some competitor claimed that as their goal?

I've been using Asus motherboards just as the iPhone came into being. I still do on my gaming PC (my "truck"). Gigabyte mobos are my first choice but Asus comes a close second. As for laptops, well, not interested.

I haven't referred to "iPad killer" recently. But yes, many competitors have said how they were going to take on the iPad. Now, they're just trying to get in the game.

"iPad killer" isn't a term that's just on "Apple enthusiast sites", it's on other sites and other media as well. Many websites have run the title, "The next iPad killer?" and so on.

What reason and consequence might "Apple enthusiasts" have even if we do use the term a lot?
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post #34 of 38
5/1/11 at 8:41am
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I've been using Asus motherboards before the iPhone came into being. I still do on my gaming PC. Gigabyte mobos are my first choice but Asus comes a close second. As for laptops, well, not interested.

I haven't referred to "iPad killer" recently. But yes, many competitors have said how they were going to take on the iPad. Now, they're just trying to get in the game.

"iPad killer" isn't a term that's just on "Apple enthusiast sites", it's on other sites and other media as well. Many websites have run the title, "The next iPad killer?" and so on.

What reason and consequence might "Apple enthusiasts" have even if we do use the term a lot?

I just haven't seen the term used by any competitors, nor even by users at Android enthusiast sites, tho I haven't spent nearly as much time at those. You do see in in some bloggers' headline on occasion as an attention getter.

I ask because it seems to me that AI writer's had started using the term as a way to raise the bar for anyone else selling tablets. I guess if some competitor can't sell as many as Apple does iPads, then they'd be a failure, lacking that 'iPad killer" device. Also a bit of a 'rally the troops' call perhaps?

But it's simply doesn't appear to be anything common to Android forums or normal posters. They don't even appear to look at Apple as an evil competitor. The discussion's I see seem very fair, logical, and lack any name-calling at all.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-...underbolt.html

I don't see any evidence that Android users are looking for nor expecting an "iPad/iPhone/Apple Killer".

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post #35 of 38
5/1/11 at 8:49am
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I just haven't seen the term used by any competitors, nor even by users at Android enthusiast sites, tho I haven't spent nearly as much time at those. You do see in in some bloggers' headline on occasion as an attention getter.

I ask because it seems to me that AI writer's had started using the term as a way to raise the bar for anyone else selling tablets. I guess if some competitor can't sell as many as Apple does iPads, then they'd be a failure, lacking that 'iPad killer" device. Also a bit of a 'rally the troops' call perhaps?

But it's simply doesn't appear to be anything common to Android forums or normal posters. They don't even appear to look at Apple as an evil competitor. The discussion's I see seem very fair, logical, and lack any name-calling at all.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-...underbolt.html

I don't see any evidence that Android users are looking for nor expecting an "iPad/iPhone/Apple Killer".

Fair enough, I haven't done any name-calling as I recall, except that my personal take is this. Android on smartphones is a rip-off of iPhone, and now they are struggling to devise a mature tablet OS with Flash but I don't think they've achieved that yet. Specifications seem better on some tablets but I've seen and played around with plastic 7" devices and I don't think it meets my needs. In some cases like the PlayBook they're way, way off base.

For people who love Android, go for it. I'm not out to antagonise Android users.

In fact, I'm keeping my eye on it and seeing if there are any platform development opportunities. I'm leaning more towards web apps or mobile-optimised websites at the moment, I'm trying to move on from regular website development. The App Store and Android Marketplace seems a little challenging at the moment.
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post #36 of 38
5/1/11 at 9:09am
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Fair enough, I haven't done any name-calling as I recall, except that my personal take is this. Android on smartphones is a rip-off of iPhone, and now they are struggling to devise a mature tablet OS with Flash but I don't think they've achieved that yet. Specifications seem better on some tablets but I've seen and played around with plastic 7" devices and I don't think it meets my needs. In some cases like the PlayBook they're way, way off base.

For people who love Android, go for it. I'm not out to antagonise Android users.

In fact, I'm keeping my eye on it and seeing if there are any platform development opportunities. I'm leaning more towards web apps or mobile-optimised websites at the moment, I'm trying to move on from regular website development. The App Store and Android Marketplace seems a little challenging at the moment.

I certainly wasn't accusing you of name-calling.
Just noting the difference between Apple/Android discussion here and at Android enthusiast sites.

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post #37 of 38
5/1/11 at 6:00pm
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Yup, just like Apple. Overwhelming demand and being caught by surprise isn't part of Apple's "gameplan". Making great products is. We'll see how "smooth" actual sales are.

Don't get me wrong, if people get a kick out of it so be it. Competition is healthy.

As I mentioned in another thread, it looks like Asus was only able to manufacture "less than 100k" transformers in its initial shipment to component shortages. So at best we can assume that ~100k of these were sold globally.
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post #38 of 38
5/24/11 at 4:40pm
An Android tablet has hit another landmark.

The Asus Transformer is being sold at higher-than-retail prices, pretty much a 10% premium over list price. Expected with new Apple iPad models, but a first for one running Android AFAIK.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...US+transformer

These guys are the only ones I've seen in the past few days with stock on hand (supposedly)

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