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Sometimes confused with "Happy Birthday!", and rightly so.

Internationally recognized and celebrated...

...might add more later, to fill out the the OP a little...
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Isn't it weird/bizarre/illogical how even Earth Day has been framed by "traditionalists" (to avoid the "c" word deliberately) as "drippy hippy" utopianism.

Just FYI, the Earth is the only place we have. It's not as if we can jump on a UFO and take off to another part of the galaxy to colonize, dominate, kill those who live there, then wreck, pollute, trash it....

It's amazing that humanity is one of the only species that knowingly shits in its own living room and doesn't even bother about fixing the consequences.

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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Isn't it weird/bizarre/illogical how even Earth Day has been framed by "traditionalists" (to avoid the "c" word deliberately) as "drippy hippy" utopianism.

Just FYI, the Earth is the only place we have. It's not as if we can jump on a UFO and take off to another part of the galaxy to colonize, dominate, kill those who live there, then wreck, pollute, trash it....

It's amazing that humanity is one of the only species that knowingly shits in its own living room and doesn't even bother about fixing the consequences.


Many of the older cultures knew very well to look after their environment. You were pretty much being bad, evil etc if you didn't. Now fake Jesus douches pretty much think if your not extracting every mineral and chopping down every tree to make way for walmarts your a godforsaken savage.
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Many of the older cultures knew very well to look after their environment. You were pretty much being bad, evil etc if you didn't. Now fake Jesus douches pretty much think if your not extracting every mineral and chopping down every tree to make way for walmarts your a godforsaken savage.

Why is there also an Earth Day in May now as well? I've seen several claims of replacing May Day with Earth Day.

Anyway if you want to witness some true environmental destruction just look anyplace where the government has been Communist. "For the People" is the easiest way to destroy the planet.

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Why is there also an Earth Day in May now as well? I've seen several claims of replacing May Day with Earth Day.

Anyway if you want to witness some true environmental destruction just look anyplace where the government has been Communist. "For the People" is the easiest way to destroy the planet.

If you're thinking of the USSR or China for example... which have been responsible for some appalling environmental disasters... their systems have only been nominally "communist'... in practice, however (which is what counts in this world) their systems were as far from "communism" or socialism as Dick Cheney is from the peace movement. In practice, communism only lives up to its name in small voluntary communities where each member is free to opt out if the lifestyle doesn't fit. To make it work on the large scale, the principles have to be enforced,and thus inefficient lumbering-dinosaur-like top-down hierarchies and pecking orders are established... in other words, rule by authoritarianism and force *over* the people, a distant cry from your "For the People" swipe... ie the abandonment of socialist principles. If you want to take aim at socialism, point your sword at those places that talk the talk and walk the walk .. ie the many small scale intentional communities that run on a shared/cooperative principle all over the world. Almost without exception they run on environmentally sound "green" principles.

In sharp contrast, on the other hand, there's the capitalist world of big business that trashes and pollutes everything in its path for the sake of bigger profits... and so-called "red" China, the new model of "capitalism-authoritarianism", is one of the worst offenders.
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If you're thinking of the USSR or China for example... which have been responsible for some appalling environmental disasters... their systems have only been nominally "communist'... in practice, however (which is what counts in this world) their systems were as far from "communism" or socialism as Dick Cheney is from the peace movement. In practice, communism only lives up to its name in small voluntary communities where each member is free to opt out if the lifestyle doesn't fit. To make it work on the large scale, the principles have to be enforced,and thus inefficient lumbering-dinosaur-like top-down hierarchies and pecking orders are established... in other words, rule by authoritarianism and force *over* the people, a distant cry from your "For the People" swipe... ie the abandonment of socialist principles. If you want to take aim at socialism, point your sword at those places that talk the talk and walk the walk .. ie the many small scale intentional communities that run on a shared/cooperative principle all over the world. Almost without exception they run on environmentally sound "green" principles.

In sharp contrast, on the other hand, there's the capitalist world of big business that trashes and pollutes everything in its path for the sake of bigger profits... and so-called "red" China, the new model of "capitalism-authoritarianism", is one of the worst offenders.

I posted this in the green travel thread but it fits here too-

"On the same day that Senate Republicans filibustered a vote for renewable energy in the USA, by contrast – China has just published an astoundingly ambitious and exciting renewable energy plan for the next ten years.

China’s plan is to get a total of 500 Gigawatts of renewable energy on the grid by 2020. It explodes wind power from a mere 25 GW on the grid now, to a staggering 150 GW, a six-fold increase on the previous already ambitious plan.

Liquid fuels would get a boost. The ten year plan would grow ethanol production from 2 million tons to 10 million tons, to expand biodiesel from 0.05 million tons to 2 million tons, biomass pellets for heating, from under a million tons to 50 million tons, and biogas and biomass gasification from 8 billion cubic meters to 44 billion cubic meters.

China is already the world leader in solar thermal hot water heaters for rooftops. The solar hot water goal is to have 300 million square meters of solar hot water collectors, up from 100 million in 2006.

Electric power would come from adding 100 GW to make 300 GW of hydro power, adding 125 GW to have 150 GW of wind power, adding 28 GW to have 30 GW of biopower, and going from a half Gigawatt to 20 GW of solar. Giant steps.

To put that in perspective: the US will have added 16 GW of all renewable energy combined once the Obama administration Recovery Act funds are allocated – which, while a fabulous change for us, because it doubles the entire last thirty years of renewables on the grid – pales by comparison with 500 GW.

And even that 16 GW is only if the last of the Recovery Funds can be protected from our loyal opposition. That doesn’t look likely. The GOP filibustered a vote to extend Recovery Act support for renewable energy.

China has no filibuster. I never thought I would live to see the advantages of a political process other than democracy, but living in one that seems to have devolved into a plutocracy (run for and by the fossil fuel industry, the richest industry on the planet) is changing my mind.

There actually are some big advantages with one-party rule. Clarity of purpose is one. Having a domestic enemy, sworn to make your side lose, at any cost to the country, is not helping America compete in creating the new clean energy economy. Because they don’t have an opposition party filibuster in China, their climate plan can actually be implemented.

But… wipe those tears away. Think globally.

If there is one country we climate hawks should be happy is not run like America, it is China. Because China is the world’s factory. And carbon emissions from the world’s factory are about to get lower. And that is a good thing."
~ http://cleantechnica.com/2010/12/04/...power-by-2020/
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The problem is even simpler to understand than confusing or misapplied labels.

Where you have pollution you almost certainly have a situation where private property rights are either absent or poorly protected.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Why is there also an Earth Day in May now as well? I've seen several claims of replacing May Day with Earth Day.

Anyway if you want to witness some true environmental destruction just look anyplace where the government has been Communist. "For the People" is the easiest way to destroy the planet.

Replacing May Day with Earth Day? - http://www.google.com/search?q=earth...ce%20may%20day

"Responding to widespread environmental degradation, Gaylord Nelson, a United States Senator from Wisconsin, called for an environmental teach-in, or Earth Day, to be held on April 22, 1970. Over 20 million people participated that year, and Earth Day is now observed on April 22 each year by more than 500 million people and several national governments in 175 countries."
~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_D...th_Day_Network

There's been lots of environmental destruction by all countries but even with some of the cleaner tech and laws the West has dominated in the arena of environmental destruction, in part simply because it consumes more and in part because it has the wealth to buy enough people off to get away with ruining and polluting so many places.


- http://eponline.com/articles/2009/12...openhagen.aspx
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