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[QUOTE=Ecphorizer;1852940]Well no wonder they are using Android. No Apple device is even capable of exchanging medieval requests since, well, medieval times several hundred years ago.

It obviously should have been MEDICAL tasks. Damn predictive text!
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So many ignorant and stupid, yes stupid, people posting here. If it was your son or daughter going into combat, the last thing you'd want is for them to have a device because it's "slick", which is what Apple is all about these days. There will never be ruggedized iPhone hardware. Apple would never allow someone else to modify iOS to handle the security and sensitive information this devices will be expected to carry. Regardless of cost, Apple would in no way be responsive to the needs of the military for such a device and how it would need to be managed and controlled. Sure, use a Mac if you are sitting comfy in an office in the Pentagon or cruising around the oceans on an aircraft carrier. But you don't want Apple hardware on the battlefield.

I don't care what your opinions are about how the US uses it's military, but at least have a little respect for the men and women who are put in harm's way by our idiot politicians. No way in hell would I want my kid going into combat with an iPhone.

Too late. iPhone has already been there and done that. There are quite a few military apps developed by military guys in the field, for use IN the field.
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Really? I seem to recall numerous accounts of the Android OS being compromised by nefarious and malevolent apps. Does this mean the OS is insecure - not really. does it meant the implementation of the OS by Google is insecure - ABSOLUTELY.

Give me a walled garden any day of the week as opposed to an "open" garbage dump.

The Army has once again proven why it is the lesser of the Military branches. Flaky body armor, sub-optimal weaponry, bottom of the barrel recruits, and now the dregs of the smartphone technology. Go Army!

You probably and should know that the Armed Forces are the puppets of Congress and THEIR special interest groups, as well as the Executive branch's "play things". Kinda like Toy Story, which I'm sure you're more than familiar with, as you surely are not even a "tween" yet.

Making derogatory and condescending remarks against the capable and many times heroic members of the Armed Forces, not only makes you 'appear' thoroughly misinformed, but a total, clueless, and beyond a shadow of a doubt... F***ING DOUCHE!

I hate the military (industrial complex) and war... but get real!

PS: even General and later President Eisenhower stated, "beware the military industrial complex". THEY are the enemy within (my words).
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Too late. iPhone has already been there and done that. There are quite a few military apps developed by military guys in the field, for use IN the field.

Honestly that's what I thought. Wasn't there an article within the last 6 months (and a thread on AI) that said every GI would get an iPod or iPhone?
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post #45 of 180
Kind of wonder who will make the handsets, Koreans perhaps or Taiwanese...

One thing for sure security is not important to them.
post #46 of 180
The sour grapes on here would make a nice whine.
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The sour grapes on here would make a nice whine.

Hah!
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How is apples tracking any different than googles?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ech_LEADSecond

Only difference is that apple creates a .db file on the syncing computer

Sloppy reporting by WSJ.

http://mobilized.allthingsd.com/2011...location-info/

Google collect your wifi points if you explicitly tell them to, yet still purge them after a month? The horror.
post #49 of 180
I am not writing a paper, but since you asked. First, look at this article. Then this other Daring fireball post discussing a business week article is worth looking at as well.


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Source?


The upshot is hardware manufacturers can't call it Android without gaining Google's approval for modifications. Google isn't going to give the approval unless its services are used. That really isn't open and doesn't promote the innovation Google claims it supports. The Skyhook case is particularly telling because Apple used Skyhook's locations services on the first generation iPhones. Skyhook's services are considered better then what Google offers. Google played another we are just going to take it if you don't give it to us game there.
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Sloppy reporting by WSJ.

http://mobilized.allthingsd.com/2011...location-info/

Google collect your wifi points if you explicitly tell them to, yet still purge them after a month? The horror.

A good comparison here too - Google responds when asked about this, Apple stays completely silent. I'd be more worried if I was an iPhone owner because Apple appears to have something to hide.
post #51 of 180
I'm a bit surprised myself that Apple has had nothing official to say. The only comment we've had is a 2nd hand rumor that Apple considers it a bug to be fixed in a firmware update at some point.
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post #52 of 180
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Well no wonder they are using Android. No Apple device is even capable of exchanging medieval requests since, well, medieval times several hundred years ago.

I was wondering about that.

Maybe a droid to go with your chainmail.
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The iPhone 4 won't last a minute in combat. It's too delicate..

Nonsense. The iPhone is a very robust phone. Sure, a small percentage break, but when you hit something with a hammer, that's bound to happen. Heck, I fell into the pool with my iPhone. After it dried out, it worked fine.

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Or the Army is afraid that terrorists might their hands on a soldier's iPhone, get access to consolidated.db and track an Army unit's every movement..

FAR more likely to happen with Android than with iOS.

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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

So many ignorant and stupid, yes stupid, people posting here. If it was your son or daughter going into combat, the last thing you'd want is for them to have a device because it's "slick", which is what Apple is all about these days. There will never be ruggedized iPhone hardware. Apple would never allow someone else to modify iOS to handle the security and sensitive information this devices will be expected to carry. Regardless of cost, Apple would in no way be responsive to the needs of the military for such a device and how it would need to be managed and controlled. Sure, use a Mac if you are sitting comfy in an office in the Pentagon or cruising around the oceans on an aircraft carrier. But you don't want Apple hardware on the battlefield.

I don't care what your opinions are about how the US uses it's military, but at least have a little respect for the men and women who are put in harm's way by our idiot politicians. No way in hell would I want my kid going into combat with an iPhone.

I have enough respect for the military to want them to have the best tools available with the highest level of security. When it comes to how easy it is to hack a phone and get your malware installed, Android is the WORST possible solution.

Very few people advocate the phone because it's 'slick'. That's just a stupid straw man argument that the Apple-bashers come up with. Most people buy the iPhone because it's reliable, lightweight, easy to use, and flexible - all of which are useful in military environments. The fact that it's 'slick' is just a nice bonus.

I really wish people who have never even touched an iPhone would stop making stupid comments about things they don't understand.

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Maybe, but if I recall it was Google that got hacked by the Chinese and lost a lot of user information to the Chinese. You know stuff like Gmail accounts. Shortly thereafter, many folks, my stepfather included had his gmail account hacked and he was locked out of it by the hacker. Still hasn't gained access, while friends receive email in his name.

Don't really hear about that happening to Apple.

Clearly, Google has an enormous problem with security. But even worse than that is their penchant for selling every bit of data they can get their greedy little hands on. Wait until you see an app in the Android Store called "Find your Soldier" which allows you to track your soldier anywhere in the world.

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I got nothing to back it up, but I doubt cozying up to any current administration is going to automatically dictate Pentagon equipment-buying decisions. There are many layers in between, and decisions like this can take the coming and going of more than one administration before they are made.

You obviously have no experience in how major decisions like this are made. The government is no different than business in this respect - they are more likely to make major purchases from someone that they have a relationship with. If two companies offer equivalent solutions and one is brand new to the buyer while the other one has known the buyer for years, the one the buyer knows will win an overwhelming percentage of the time. Relationships matter.
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post #54 of 180
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Well no wonder they are using Android. No Apple device is even capable of exchanging medieval requests since, well, medieval times several hundred years ago.

And seriously, a "rank" of tasks? Maybe some for corporals, a bunch of others for sergeants, a few for the First Shirt, and even a special one for the Sgt. Majors. We PFCs would be happy just to email the girls back home with it.

Wondering who wrote and proofread this crap.

When I read that I was thinking Medical-Evaluation.

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a row, line, or series of things or persons: orchestra players arranged in ranks.
orderly arrangement; array.
Also called determinant rank. Mathematics . the order of the nonzero determinant of greatest order that can be selected from a given matrix by the elimination of rows and columns
post #55 of 180
Need to develop an app, then Xcode make sense.

Need to develop an OS, then Android makes sense.
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post #56 of 180
Wow. So many experts in OS development for military uses gathered in one thread. So far we've found that Apple would never let iOS be modified for custom uses. And they'd never expose their technologies to the NSA or CIA. The Android OS is obviously rift with security issues and viruses as everyone knows. And the military is plainly cheap and going with 2nd best to save money.

The only solid truth in the entire article so far? Apparently the military has settled on an Android solution for their warfield smartphone development. It's not dissing Apple. Android was determined to match their requirements better. That's pretty much the story.
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I think it's quite a stretch to suggest linux will become Windows when it comes to security.

Android is not Linux. It merely uses a Linux kernel. Linux, the OS, has many built-in security mechanisms that make it secure. If Google just takes the kernel and doesn't implement Linux security into their OS, then it can become very vulnerable, indeed. On top of that, no OS in the world can protect itself from dumb users. If an app tells a user it needs administrative access, and the user clicks "ok" without much thought about what they're agreeing to, then every scheme possible for preventing malicious code is doomed.
post #58 of 180
This whole concept is sidetracking people's common sense. Small comfort to be walking down an Iraqi or Afghan road tapping away on a glass screen, only to be taken out by a sniper or IED. On the foot soldier's personal priority list for staying alive and defeating the enemy - devices must never distract from combat skills, weapons and protective equipment. Armchair warriors and gamers take note.

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post #59 of 180
It doesn't matter. Android is open source. US Army can rewrite part or the entire Android to suit its needs. Besides, I don't think the Army will allow users to just download and install any app on it.
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When it comes to how easy it is to hack a phone and get your malware installed, Android is the WORST possible solution.

Actually some of the world's top hackers have yet to be successful at penetrating Android's security protocols to gain assess to the OS itself, something Apple has had some issues with. Wouldn't that make Android one of the best possible OS solutions from a security standpoint?
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Actually some of the world's top hackers have yet to be successful at penetrating Android's security protocols to gain assess to the OS itself, something Apple has had some issues with. Wouldn't that make Android one of the best possible OS solutions from a security standpoint?

Baloney. There are hundreds of reports of Android security problems and phones being taken over by hackers.
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This whole concept is sidetracking people's common sense. Small comfort to be walking down an Iraqi or Afghan road tapping away on a glass screen, only to be taken out by a sniper or IED. On the foot soldier's personal priority list for staying alive and defeating the enemy - devices must never distract from combat skills, weapons and protective equipment. Armchair warriors and gamers take note.

You really don’t think that a handheld device makes no sense if it means the user’s eyeballs can’t be looking for snipers or IEDs at the same time they are using it? Um… maps, field guides, etc. This isn’t going to be Android with a version of Angry Birds: installed where the birds look like American soldiers and the pigs look like enemy combatants… though I’d probably buy that version, too.

PS: Can’t wait for the May update to Angry Birds: Rio.
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Baloney. There are hundreds of reports of Android security problems and phones being taken over by hackers.

Source? The only issues I've seen are from 3rd party applications with malware embedded. That's a problem with the App market, not android itself.

So I'll repeat, at gatherings of some of the world's top hackers, Apple's OS been broached in seconds, but no such success with Android. Or with Chrome for that matter. That by itself doesns't make Android the best choice I'm sure. But claiming Android as the worst possible solution due to security issues is factually incorrect.
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Source? The only issues I've seen are from 3rd party applications with malware embedded. That's a problem with the App market, not android itself.

The apps run on the OS. If the OS isn’t sandboxing the apps to prevent them getting root access then it’s the OS that is the issue.

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So I'll repeat, at gatherings of some of the world's top hackers, Apple's OS been broached in seconds, but no such success with Android. Or with Chrome for that matter. That by itself doesns't make Android the best choice I'm sure. But claiming Android as the worst possible solution due to security issues is factually incorrect.

“At gatherings of some of the world's top [cat burglars], [rich homes with good security have] been broached in seconds, but no such success with [poor homes with the key hidden under the mat]. Or with [piles of money stacked in a doghouse saying “free monies”] for that matter. That by itself doesns't make [rich homes the less secure] choice I'm sure. But claiming [rich homes with more cred among cat burglars] as the worst possible solution [despite their security efforts] is factually incorrect."
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post #66 of 180
Apple's interest is in consumer products and that's what it markets best. Historically Apple's business and government sales groups have been somewhere between pitiful and non existent. Recently Apple has taken some interest in selling iPhones to business but they don't have a real system for selling to the government. They just don't care about it.
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Heck, I fell into the pool with my iPhone. After it dried out, it worked fine.

I'm with Unibrow Joe on this one!

iPhones are the better choice for people who tend to fall into pools.
post #68 of 180
I've always considered Apple to be a somewhat "leftist", typical Californian peace loving company, that rather spends $100,000.00 on gay rights than getting involved in (or money from) military war actions.
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How is apples tracking any different than googles?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ech_LEADSecond

Only difference is that apple creates a .db file on the syncing computer

In the context of the article the difference is that the US Army can look at how Android handles tracking, fork the OS and customise or remove that code.

With iOS they don't have that option.
post #70 of 180
This is great news! Let android be that gotta hack system. Leave my macs alone and let them be the choice of artists, hipsters, and rich old people. It may sound like a joke but honestly it better that way. Otherwise apple would succumb to the same problems that windows has with everyone writing viruses and trying to break it all the time.
post #71 of 180
The army wanted to build a custom phone to their specs. I'm sure they'd want to customize the OS too! Since you can't put iOS on it or customize it what choice did they have? As great as iOS is, customizable it's not!
post #72 of 180
The phone has to be ruggedized and customizes. For those reasons alone, the iPhone is out.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

So many ignorant and stupid, yes stupid, people posting here. If it was your son or daughter going into combat, the last thing you'd want is for them to have a device because it's "slick", which is what Apple is all about these days. There will never be ruggedized iPhone hardware. Apple would never allow someone else to modify iOS to handle the security and sensitive information this devices will be expected to carry. Regardless of cost, Apple would in no way be responsive to the needs of the military for such a device and how it would need to be managed and controlled. Sure, use a Mac if you are sitting comfy in an office in the Pentagon or cruising around the oceans on an aircraft carrier. But you don't want Apple hardware on the battlefield.

I don't care what your opinions are about how the US uses it's military, but at least have a little respect for the men and women who are put in harm's way by our idiot politicians. No way in hell would I want my kid going into combat with an iPhone.

Dude, never say "never". Obviously we don't know what happened behind closed doors that prompted the US Army to investigate the Android route (remember, this is just testing, not full-on implementation) rather than iOS. But there's absolutely no reason why Apple couldn't produce ruggedized, military-grade versions of their hardware and software. There are any number of reasons why things didn't go that route, but to say "Apple would never..." is as short-sighted as comments like "Apple will never get into the mobile phone market (Apple could never compete in an already saturated market)." "Apple will never switch to Intel." "Apple will never make a tablet computer (Others have tried before and failed)." etc.
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I don't care what your opinions are about how the US uses it's military, but at least have a little respect for the men and women who are put in harm's way by our idiot politicians. No way in hell would I want my kid going into combat with an iPhone.

I have nothing but the highest respect for those out there in the frontlines. I also agree with your sentiment about politicians (although I disagree with your sentiment about the iPhone).

However, it's important to point out that we have a volunteer army, and people who signed up did so on their own free will knowing that there was a chance that they could be in harm's way.
post #75 of 180
Wouldn't matter if it was open source or not. The federal government is immune to patent infringement lawsuits. It can be sued for reasonable compensation, but not infringement. In other words, the federal government doesn't have to ask permission to use a patented idea.

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It doesn't matter. Android is open source. US Army can rewrite part or the entire Android to suit its needs. Besides, I don't think the Army will allow users to just download and install any app on it.
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The device is being developed by a third party military contractor so Android would be the only available choice. I can't see Apple opening a military division to produce military hardened phones for use in battle. Can you?

who's the third party developer diebold?

if you kill or rape a civilian, the phone tells your superiors it was an apple fan boy?
post #79 of 180
I was going to say the same thing. Even before the iPhone, the US military was using iPods for a variety of purposes, such as translation. Like Pilots are doing now with iPads, you can put entire updated military manuals on such devices.

The military buy the way is only using Google's OS indirectly. The handset manufacturer is selling a handset using a modified version of the OS to run customized applications. The military is buying the handset not the OS.

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Too late. iPhone has already been there and done that. There are quite a few military apps developed by military guys in the field, for use IN the field.
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At gatherings of some of the world's top [cat burglars], [rich homes with good security have] been broached in seconds, but no such success with [poor homes with the key hidden under the mat]. Or with [piles of money stacked in a doghouse saying free monies] for that matter. That by itself doesns't make [rich homes the less secure] choice I'm sure. But claiming [rich homes with more cred among cat burglars] as the worst possible solution [despite their security efforts] is factually incorrect."

You lost me on that one Solipcism.

Anyway, the OS is not the issue with Android. It's that the App market is more of a wild west compared to the insulated iOS market. Apps are vetted by Apple on an individual basis. Google does not.

You can find the same types of security issues with iOS when users jailbreak their phones and load unapproved 3rd party apps. Does that make iOS the problem?
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